SH Archive When does it start to curve?

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Username: blighty1
Date: 2020-01-18 23:50:33
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Ha the flat plane pizza map... not the plane model i'm on. The pizza map model was offered up all too easily without much if any evidence. Assumptions and presumptions that cloud the truth. ..So which map model? Its a corrected mercator map, For all the re-search FPV Angel youtube channel. There's an enormous amount of information to digest. They back it up using real world data. I would say their re-discovery ties in almost all of the stolen history posts as what i have read on here. Now that's a claim :)
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-01-19 01:05:08
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The earth is a sphere created by magneto-electric induction which makes magnetism a quality of all matter. The only shape possible in nature is a sphere or spherical form in planetary bodies. Any argument to the contrary is delusional and not based on logical deduction provided you actually do have the full amount of information and right now you do not.

Water can be moved by three known ways. Frequency, dielectric magneto~hydrodynamics, and gravity where it applies since graivity is in reality a product of induction and relative to the aforementioned and is a potentially variable condition. It is neither a force nor is there any rule that it must remain a constant force.

Gravity modification is something which you obviously know little about, along with the various cross correlations between water and the energy which creates weight in mass. Gravity is an illusion and does not exist. The idea that dirt has a field force called gravity is another part of the education illusion as a mind control psyop. Evidently one you believe a great deal in.

So the fact that water flows uphill is also not a basis to conjecture that it proves Earth is flat either. You can still have a spherical body in space with little gravity so there is another force which binds matter together and that force is in-coherent magnetism.


At this point I expect you yourself may be some lowly peon in the hire of military intel, or perhaps are an artificial counterintel AI program. Reason being that I haven't invented any math; have I ion.brad?

In fact, that is a false allegation which makes you what: A liar who puts words and non~truths in the mouths of others?

It's really interesting how many times I encounter people forwarding agendas of the powers that be coming out of the collapsed Soviet Eastern Block. I know you people have had it hard and have to do what you have to do to survive. It's just too bad there's no way to let us know what your real situation is.

I don't believe you seek the truth and that's what makes you different from me. I think that no matter what I say you will still insist it's in error by stating falsehoods and creating inventions such as saying I've invented a math, or am running away, but in truth the only thing running is your obnoxious ability to alienate people in one sentence. The only people I know who have raised savagery to an artform is counter intelligence so if you are by chance in their employ you should be careful of what they teach.

Now, you can either start talking to me like you've a brain in your head or else piss off. I'm not here to fight with anyone, I'm here seeking truth and if you're not here for that same purpose than that explains why you're getting a cool reception. Do not allow preconceived notions of what's real and what isn't to make you become so blind as to become a monster. Talk with respect or be ignored.

Mathematical equations are validations of suppositions and not proof of anything. Proofs are altogether something else. A fact every policeman and detective that's ever dealt with white collar criminals well understands. Mathematics proves nothing but a correct equation and if the precepts it is founded upon are corrupt then no correct amount of mathematical calculations will alter a false construct. I'm sure that many an embezzler would wish that money could be created so easily as the lies their mathematical based scams are built upon.


You have the right to doubt whatever you like, think whatever you like, who cares what you think and why would anyone given your bombastic asshole nature? Learn to talk to people like you were in a civilized forum instead of a super max prison.

I'm not a mind reader and no one else is either: WGS84 is what?

Yes I can, the issue has nothing to do with what you think it does.

Where you're deciding you've got some God like authority I have no idea, but obviously you understand nothing about finding truth.
~ I'm allowed to prove it's wrong by any means logical and rational which any person of sound mind would deem logical and rational.

Humans decide what's truth, not math, not any other construct, only humans and rational thought have the final word. That's why we have
courts of law, so that idiots, liars, and the uninformed can be taken to trial before a group of their peers to be judged. That's why there are
rules of law because the law is a scientific process of which it unfortunately seems that in our time only good lawyers, judges, and policeman understand.

The fact that there are anomalous physical features and unexplained phenomena that have been recorded on Earth does not also then make a case for the Earth being flat simply because they exist. I grant you that if "Gravity" was all that the idiot psyop agent Albert Einstein said it was, then those incidences of which you speak would have a weight to them in the mind which would indicate that the Earth is flat, but that is not the case because we now know a great deal more about the true nature of so-called gravity.

Until I can climb in a vehicle and inspect the planet for myself all I can say is that the weight of arguments and evidences and experimental proofs dictate to me that the Earth is a sphere. You are entitled to your view as long as it does not hurt other people.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-19 07:08:33
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Sorry, but looks like you are the lowly peon and you invented a new math because you are wrote that the earth is a sphere, even if you were taught basic trigonometry in school and the Mississippi cannot flow from a smaller ellipsoid radius (Lake Itasca) to a bigger ellipsoid radius (Pilottown)!

The rest are just empty words, so I shall not lose my time contradicting you. A man who want to understand something do not contradict basic math and physics like you!

The average reader will easily decide who is the liar.
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-01-19 07:13:03
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The average reader on this this site is not a idiot. Go back to GLP till you grow up. Putting you on ignore.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-19 10:06:30
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Do not make me cry! Are you sure that puting me on ignore is a formula? I have given on this thread a link to an other thread from this forum where pushamaku spend his time making a nice table and a graph showing that Mississippi is flowing uphill in WGS84. Every round earther, if she/he would like to show she/he are open minded, would have either to prove pushamaku wrong or recognize that WGS84 is fake!

I have asked a simple question: where was pushamaku wrong? No need for empty words, came with the correct formula which shows Mississippi going downhill or name the force which make the river to go uphill. Is as simple as that! Of course, no shill will be able to do that and he/she will start to ramble. But that is my test for a shill: he/she contradicts the basic math and physics without puting anything in place!
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-01-19 17:11:12
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No need for insults, it is perfectly acceptable to agree-to-disagree.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-19 18:47:08
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Where is the insult?! I have asked a simple question after I have met a problem on a flat earth forum and I was not able to solve it! Even if it is acceptable to agree-disagree, it is not acceptable to dismiss basic math without puting something in place!

If you believe we live on an ellipsoid, tell me where was pushamaku wrong? I cannot find by my own. I am not interested in sattelites which cannot take a picture of the whole Earth, just math connected with Mississippi, please!
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-19 19:05:28
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Probably just me but I find it amusing to see that all altitude measurements are based on sea level.

The only ways water goes up, in my experience is when it changes its state moving from one density to another is by becoming vapour or ice. Ice obviously not getting very far up in comparison to vapour but still. The only other way is when it fills a container and it only does this within the confines of its container then once out of it it starts heading back down again.
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-01-19 19:07:07
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I do not have any answers for you on this subject.

I am just saying that calling people shills etc, is not the path to getting answers.

I personally don’t understand why we are so invested in determining if the Earth is flat or not. Today it is round, tomorrow it is flat. Has your life changed in any way?

The fact that Fact is not always Fact is a much broader topic that interests me. Like what are the mechanism for orchestrated deceptions? Are they deliberate? What is the motive?

If the Earth is flat but they say it is a globe, what is their motive? To keep us from going to Antartica? Do you see my point?

So definitely continue to seek answers that satisfy your curiosity, but be respectful to others if their opinion varies from yours.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-19 21:14:50
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From wiki: In online discussion media, satisfied consumers or "innocent" parties may express specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest, such as a commercial vendor or special interest group.

Looks like it is not an insult, but maybe my English is poor! How would you call in English when somebody says something like "water flows always uphill" and your daily experience shows that "water flows always downhill"?

For example, you said that it does not matter if the earth is flat or round, but this is a lie: if the earth is flat NASA could be sued and made to pay isn't it? May I call you a liar or it is an insult? For me, it would have been an insult if I would call you a liar without a reason, but after you lied me looks like it is a truth instead of an insult.

I shall stop here because looks like no round earther is going to answer my question regarding the supposed pushamaku error, which implies pushamaku is right and US citizens are afraid to argue against their government, just like Romanians before 1989!

All this site is about our rulers lies, both past and present rulers.
 
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Username: Willielad
Date: 2020-01-19 21:33:42
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The math by pushamaku must not match reality. Water does not flow up hill. If earth is a oblait spheroid, flat plane or convex the math is not matching these. It must be accepted as inaccurate.
 
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Username: Maybe
Date: 2020-01-19 21:45:45
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Actually it would make a huge difference.

If it is as said, then we are on a ball which is an insignificant speck and thus we are even less!

But if it is a 'flat plane' or more a realm and everything else goes around us, then we are the center of All things and become most important!

We become the actual reality and not that which is told to us!
 
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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2020-01-19 22:02:05
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Yes, Man is the center of this world, on every level. As long as this is not recognized, we can’t wake up. The story of humanity is about a serpent convincing a god that he is a worm.

As long as humanity predominantly wants to play worm, the heliocentric model is an essential part in this drama. We may have to wait until the next act, for the veil to be lifted. Questioning the convex earth heliocentric model is a necessity in order to break free from the spell of the serpent, even if it is simply an intuitive feeling that something is wrong with the idea of a ball racing through an empty godless universe.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-19 22:35:02
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"must" it is not enough, have you been in school? That means seven or eight grade, before high-school, when trigonometric functions were teached. If you have passed the eight grade without cheating, tell me where was pushamaku wrong?

If you forget the math, go online! Check it! Throwing words is not enough! I know the water does not flows uphill, but there is no need to invent a new math: you can start by recognizing that you were lied and this earth is not an ellipsoid!
 
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Username: Worsaae
Date: 2020-01-19 23:07:53
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Centrifugal force - Wikipedia
@ion.brad, In the round earth model, it's because of the above force.

If you take a long string in your hand and start rotating around yourself, the string will lift itself against gravity, because of the rotational force that you're creating
 
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Username: Willielad
Date: 2020-01-19 23:23:41
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I didnt need to have gone to any school to show water does not flow up hill. Its a self evident truth to me. It seems strange to try and prove water flows up hill.
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-01-20 01:30:34
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You are mixing two different ideas here.

One is Earth’s shape.
Flat, round, doughnut, whatever.

The other is whether or not Earth is at the center of the universe or not.
Geocentric Earth vs Heliocentric Earth.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-20 06:23:33
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No, it is not! Remember your sixth grade hours of physics, when you was teached the second principle of dynamics: the force equals the mass multiplied by the acceleration. If you say that the Mississippi waters are going uphils because of centrifugal force, that means you have a centrifugal acceleration! You need a huge acceleration to make millions of tonnes of water to climb more than five kilometers. That huge acceleration will give you huge speed of Mississippi water at Pilottown. But the reality contradict you! You do not have huge speed of Mississippi water at Pilottow. So I thank you for your explanation, but you either have to find an other one or recognize that the earth it is not an ellipsoid!
The water flows uphill because you have introduced a lie: you believe the earth it is an ellipsoid and an ellipsoid has a bulge at the ecuator! If you reject your lie and make the earth flat the water flows downhill because you have about four hundred meters altitude at Lake Itasca and zero meters altitude at Pilottown.

So you have to understand that four hundred meters altitude of Lake Itasca are not enough to cover more than five thousands meters of the pretended bulge of the earth ellipsoid. This was beautifully showed by pushamaku on his table and graph from the link which I gave you above.

In other words you introduced a lie ("the earth is an ellipsoid") and the result was an other lie ("the water flows uphill"). It is not enough to take out the second lie. If you take out the second lie, the first one is gone automatically!
 
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Username: Willielad
Date: 2020-01-20 06:58:49
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Lmao You say i introduced a lie. I do not think the earth is a elipsoid. You make many assumptions. You talk of bulges and math as if you have all the facts and you never even calculated it yourself. The evidence you provide is far from logical. You do not even show any scientific data on the bulge, you just claim there is one. So reread my posts i never said the earth was a elipsoid and i never said water can flow up hill. You simply have made a claim and assumed it is to be taken as fact when it is far from evidence of anything. You throw insults at me for just making simple observations.
 
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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2020-01-20 08:12:38
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Empty words. No insult. You have insulted pushamaku math without showing where he was wrong. Stop lying!
 
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