1901: Pan Am Buffalo and why these Pan Ams were as insane as they look

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do what now?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

 

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This might seem crackers, but all things should be considered to get to the bottom of the issue. Are these coincidences or not? My feeling is that this list could be bigger.

Fairs and expositions List
World expositions : List of world expositions - Wikipedia
World fairs : List of world's fairs - Wikipedia
World Fairs in America United States World's Fairs

The first Exposition ever: Great Expedition in London in 1851. 2 years later, the British are involved in the Crimean War of 1853 - 1856 involving the french and other states. was this planned in london?

United States
American Exposition held in 1853/4 in New York. Indian Wars follow, plus the Fiji Expedition
1855-8 Yakima War
1855 Rogue River wars
1855 Battle of Ash Hollow
1855-6 Puget Sounds War
1855-8 Third Seminole War

American Exposition held in 1876 in Philadelphia, more Indian wars follow, but quicker (now easier to organise?)
1876 Great Sioux war
1877 Nez Perce war
1877-9 Cheyenne War
1878 Bannock War
1879 Sheepeater War
1879-81 Victorio's War

American Expositions held Louiville 1883, New Orleans 1884/5, Cincinatti 1888, Chicago 1893
1887-95 Hawaiain Rebellions

American exposition held in 1901, Buffalo. McKinley is assasinated in 1901, where? in Buffalo Temple of Music, on grounds of Pan-American Exposition

Maybe the PTB got bored with the American Expositions cover after finishing on a high with McKinley and nationwide business and then moved onto the world stage?

World Exposition in February 1915 San Fransisco, Lusitania sank in May 1915

Could it possibly be that some of these Expositions and Fairs were, and still are a very convenient way for the PTB to meet up in exotic locations, sometimes in the very places where things would be kicking off within a few months or a couple of years? In the early days in the US, the rotating furniture could have been a way to ensure a proper show was put on, encourage the masses, and that any hotel, eating and drinking debts for those in the know could be included as part of the sideshow, and just added to the overall cost of the 'fair', whilst the local dignitaries might be thinking that it a little loss might boost the longer term prospects for their city.

World Stage - for wider reference
Noticeable are two World Expositions held in Belgium in 1910 and 1913, the second one being in Liege.
A World fair was also held in Ghent, Belgium in 1913
First battle of WW1 is one year later - where? in Liege

World fairs were also held just before the outbreak of WW1 by many of the chief protagonists
London, Bristol, Nottingham 1914
Bolougne in 1914
Lyon in 1914
Cologne in 1914
Genoa 1914

World Fair in London in 1912, Famously 2 Americans who were to sign a bill preventing the Federal reserve act coming in to being sailed on the Titanic in 1912, where? Southampton, just 75 miles away. This ship quite possibly wasn't the Titanic, it may have been the RMS Olympic, a ship that had had an accident in southampton a year earlier, and apparenlty needed serious repairs which may never have been undertaken (just cosmetics), therefore a huge fanfare was made for people to sail on the 'Titanic', a unseaworthy ship that could have been destined to sink with the important 2 customers abroad. Swapping sister ships is a very old trick apparently in terms of insurance scams. The 2 ships were near identical.

• Believe it or not: The Titanic Never Sank
• Titanic

World fairs were held in Dusseldorf in 1937, and Berlin in 1939, in fact the number of fairs in the 30's is enormous
in Paris in 1937 and 1938
in Moscow in 1939
in San Fransisco in 1939/40
in New York in 1939/40
Los Angeles in 1940
Naples in 1940

First battle of WW2, Desert War, Uk v Italy

World Fair in Jerusalem 1953 during Reprisal Operations 1950-1960 v Syria, Egypt and Jordan
World Fair in Beit Degan, Israel 1956, Suez Crisis begins October 1956 in the same year

 

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This might seem crackers, but all things should be considered to get to the bottom of the issue. Are these coincidences or not? My feeling is that this list could be bigger.

Fairs and expositions List
World expositions : List of world expositions - Wikipedia
World fairs : List of world's fairs - Wikipedia
World Fairs in America United States World's Fairs

The first Exposition ever: Great Expedition in London in 1851. 2 years later, the British are involved in the Crimean War of 1853 - 1856 involving the french and other states. was this planned in london?

United States
American Exposition held in 1853/4 in New York. Indian Wars follow, plus the Fiji Expedition
1855-8 Yakima War
1855 Rogue River wars
1855 Battle of Ash Hollow
1855-6 Puget Sounds War
1855-8 Third Seminole War

American Exposition held in 1876 in Philadelphia, the Indian wars follow
1876 Great Sioux war
1877 Nez Perce war
1877-9 Cheyenne War
1878 Bannock War
1879 Sheepeater War
1879-81 Victorio's War

American Expositions held Louiville 1883, New Orleans 1884/5, Cincinatti 1888, Chicago 1893
1887-95 Hawaiain Rebellions

American exposition held in 1901, Buffalo. McKinley is assasinated in 1901, where? in Buffalo Temple of Music, on grounds of Pan-American Exposition

Maybe the PTB got bored with the American Expositions cover after finishing on a high with McKinley and nationwide business and then moved onto the world stage?

World Exposition in February 1915 San Fransisco, Lusitania sank in May 1915

Could it possibly be that some of these Expositions and Fairs were, and still are a very convenient way for the PTB to meet up in exotic locations, sometimes in the very places where things would be kicking off within a few months or a couple of years? In the early days in the US, the rotating furniture could have been a way to ensure a proper show was put on, encourage the masses, and that any hotel, eating and drinking debts for those in the know could be included as part of the sideshow, and just added to the overall cost of the 'fair', whilst the local dignitaries might be thinking that it a little loss might boost the longer term prospects for their city.

World Stage - for wider reference
Noticeable are two World Expositions held in Belgium in 1910 and 1913, the second one being in Liege.
A World fair was also held in Ghent, Belgium in 1913
First battle of WW1 is one year later - where? in Liege

World fairs were also held just before the outbreak of WW1 by many of the chief protagonists
London, Bristol, Nottingham 1914
Bolougne in 1914
Lyon in 1914
Cologne in 1914
Genoa 1914

World Fair in London in 1912, Famously 2 Americans who were to sign a bill preventing the Federal reserve act coming in to being sailed on the Titanic in 1912, where? Southampton, just 75 miles away. This ship quite possibly wasn't the Titanic, it may have been the RMS Olympic, a ship that had had an accident in southampton a year earlier, and apparenlty needed serious repairs which may never have been undertaken (just cosmetics), therefore a huge fanfare was made for people to sail on the 'Titanic', a unseaworthy ship that could have been destined to sink with the important 2 customers abroad. Swapping sister ships is a very old trick apparently in terms of insurance scams. The 2 ships were near identical.

• Believe it or not: The Titanic Never Sank
• Titanic

World fairs were held in Dusseldorf in 1937, and Berlin in 1939, in fact the number of fairs in the 30's is enormous
in Paris in 1937 and 1938
in Moscow in 1939
in San Fransisco in 1939/40
in New York in 1939/40
Los Angeles in 1940
Naples in 1940

First battle of WW2, Desert War, Uk v Italy

World Fair in Jerusalem 1953 during Reprisal Operations 1950-1960 v Syria, Egypt and Jordan
World Fair in Beit Degan, Israel 1956, Suez Crisis begins October 1956, earlier

I think they're all about too. Industry and resources from all over. CAPITALISM.
But, yeah. Their timing with wars is impeccable.
Forgot to throw 1904 St Louis in...
And I found totally weird that San Francisco and San Diego were both having fairs at the same time...
Looked up Denver yesterday. Was hoping that building had been out where DIA currently stands, but no.

 

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Agree on the money motives, but also on the power and control motives and the eventual takeover of the western world and beyond.
Good article on McKinley here
George Cortelyou, President McKinley’s Assassination and the Panic of 1907

1904 St Louis? Maybe with Portland 1905 and Jamestown 1907 connected to the 1907 Financial crisis, who knows?
take your pick List of economic crises - Wikipedia
The economic crisis are certainly accelerating through time


Well spotted on San Diego, same happened again in 1939/40 with New York and San Fransisco. Nearby Oakland was built from 1941 and the installation moved in excess of 8.5 million tons of cargo during WW2.

American exposition in Seattle in 1909 , another one, on the same coast but further North
1910-20 Border War/ Mexican revolution

The other wars don't seem so clearly connected with time, as there are so many fairs.


Is this list starting to get more interesting, when considering earlier events in Europe?

First ever World Fair is held in Prague in 1791 ;
1792-97 War of the First Coalition against France including Austria-Hungary. First battle is in Koblenz in the West of Germany
1792-97 French Revolutionary Wars

Second ever World Fair, is held, incredibly in revolutionary France in Paris in 1798
1799-1800 War of the Second Coalition against France including Britain, Russia and Austria
Strangely, Napoleon is away in Egypt, helping to protect French trade, but somehow being forced to give some of Egypt's treasures to Britain.

The third, fourth and fifth World Fairs are held, where else but revolutionary France in 1801, 1802, 1806 in Paris
1803-15 Napoleonic Wars. Why are they holding World Fairs at this time? Is Napoleon just continuing the tradition, and ignoring his issues from his banking enemies? Is he actually a signed up member of the club, shown by his hidden hand in his portraits?

Amazingly, these Fairs / Expositions in Paris continue after the Napoleonic wars have ended ie in 1819, 1823, 1827, almost as if nothing has happened. In total there are 7 World Fairs in this period in paris, all called Expositions ie the 1st up to the 7th, and of course there are 7 Coalitions against France between 1798 and 1815. Were the PTB having a laugh here?

Is this at all believable?
Exposition des produits de l'industrie française - Wikipedia

These wars against France cost hundreds of thousands of lives, losses that would not be seen until WW1, but the Coalition partners just wouldn't stop. France wouldn't be a free country after these wars had finished.

 

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Agree on the money motives, but also on the power and control motives and the eventual takeover of the western world and beyond.
Good article on McKinley here
George Cortelyou, President McKinley’s Assassination and the Panic of 1907

1904 St Louis? Maybe with Portland 1905 and Jamestown 1907 connected to the 1907 Financial crisis, who knows?
take your pick List of economic crises - Wikipedia
The economic crisis are certainly accelerating through time


Well spotted on San Diego, same happened again in 1939/40 with New York and San Fransisco. Nearby Oakland was built from 1941 and the installation moved in excess of 8.5 million tons of cargo during WW2.

American exposition in Seattle in 1909 , another one, on the same coast but further North
1910-20 Border War/ Mexican revolution

The other wars don't seem so clearly connected with time, as there are so many fairs.


Is this list starting to get more interesting, when considering earlier events in Europe?

First ever World Fair is held in Prague in 1791 ;
1792-97 War of the First Coalition against France including Austria-Hungary. First battle is in Koblenz in the West of Germany
1792-97 French Revolutionary Wars

Second ever World Fair, is held, incredibly in revolutionary France in Paris in 1798
1799-1800 War of the Second Coalition against France including Britain, Russia and Austria
Strangely, Napoleon is away in Egypt, helping to protect French trade, but somehow being forced to give some of Egypt's treasures to Britain.

The third, fourth and fifth World Fairs are held, where else but revolutionary France in 1801, 1802, 1806 in Paris
1803-15 Napoleonic Wars. Why are they holding World Fairs at this time? Is Napoleon just continuing the tradition, and ignoring his issues from his banking enemies? Is he actually a signed up member of the club, shown by his hidden hand in his portraits?

Amazingly, these Fairs / Expositions in Paris continue after the Napoleonic wars have ended ie in 1819, 1823, 1827, almost as if nothing has happened. In total there are 7 World Fairs in this period in paris, all called Expositions ie the 1st up to the 7th, and of course there are 7 Coalitions against France between 1798 and 1815. Were the PTB having a laugh here?

Is this at all believable?
Exposition des produits de l'industrie française - Wikipedia

These wars against France cost hundreds of thousands of lives, losses that would not be seen until WW1, but the Coalition partners just wouldn't stop. France wouldn't be a free country after these wars had finished.

Looks like they were also reestablishing major industrial cities and labor forces.
Don't forget about all of the strikes and riots relating to labor. May Day! May Day!
Philadelphia and Liberty Bell big players. Our first and the beginning of expanded shady club dealings.
Interesting to compare full blown unbelievable fairs with smaller ones or singular buildings. I'd like a list of all of the singularly huge and absurd buildings and why those events were smaller...
Obviously they didn't waste time and resources on all of the silly state and country buildings. Or the racist midways with their debauchery and licentiousness. But, what else is new?
Royalty AND celebrity be damned.
Plus the timing of Napoleon and Louisiana Purchase. Just moving funds around. Players. Musical chairs.
And Seattle and Yukon. Alaska purchase (funding, weird) from Russia.
SO strange, but not so mysterious really.
And now?
Well, when TOO MANY people are in on the secret and maybe on the take, there's NO WAY to keep it. We're approaching the crest of the 100th Monkey. World views are crumbling and looking for new footing.
I'm cool.

 

[Nevele]

George Cary is the grandson of a New York SENATOR who was ALSO an "architect"- the story of how Grandpa "built the Greco Roman mansion for his bride in 1817" is enough to make my roll my eyes to the ceiling. Photos of this mansion cannot be found because in 1964, the Cary family "sold the mansion to the government" and surprise, surprise, they demolished it.

They keep their circle of liars in the family.

 

[Severeclear]

My personal theory. We are witnessing photographs which belong to a totally different time frame. This is why we never see any construction photos. My guess would be the equipment used could not belong to the reported time frame.

I also consider that all different time/location expos existed at the same time, but were deliberately spread out in history.

Ok, now this is something I can get behind...

Why are there no children in the pictures from these expos & world’s fairs? The attendees look well-to-do, and I’ve not seen any old, feeble or “unattractive” folks in the few crowd pics that are online. It’s weird that none of the attendees are carrying souvenirs, eating / drinking, etc.

 

[Frostychud]

For what it's worth, my great-grandfather was an Italian sculptor who specialized in decorative plaster. He and his entire studio were brought to the United States in 1903 to work on the Saint Louis World's Fair. After that he became a very successful artisan in the United States. Not to say all the official stories are true...but the St. Louis buildings were definitely made of plaster.

 

[alltheleaves]

Theodore Roosevelt became president after mckinley was killed in buffalo..setting the stage for the start of the federal reserve.

Not blah.

Why are there no children in the pictures from these expos & world’s fairs? The attendees look well-to-do, and I’ve not seen any old, feeble or “unattractive” folks in the few crowd pics that are online. It’s weird that none of the attendees are carrying souvenirs, eating / drinking, etc.

Maybe this was a first class affair. People with class dont buy tacky junk and eat corn dogs. Fyi.

 

[Severeclear]

Theodore Roosevelt became president after mckinley was killed in buffalo..setting the stage for the start of the federal reserve.

Not blah.

Maybe this was a first class affair. People with class dont buy tacky junk and eat corn dogs. Fyi.

Theodore Roosevelt became president after mckinley was killed in buffalo..setting the stage for the start of the federal reserve.

Not blah.

Maybe this was a first class affair. People with class dont buy tacky junk and eat corn dogs. Fyi.

Fyi—ice cream vendor 1915 PROMENADE at the WORLDS FAIR Incredible Photograph w/ Vendors | eBay