SH Archive Abandoned 1860s India by UAP

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Username: AntonDvorak
Date: 2020-01-28 19:06:51
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Those are some very empty streets. According to "official" history, the British had been in Calcutta since 1686. So we are supposed to believe that the highly developed city we see in these photos was a result of ~180 years of Colonial architecture. But the population would only have demanded that level of development by the mid 1800s. So all these beautiful "Victorian" buildings we see in the photos were erected in 30 years time? Incredible.:unsure:

This seems to be THE recurring question on this forum: "How long does it take to build (or rebuild) an entire city from scratch??" Seems that in the 1800s, cities could be built 10x faster than today, with a fraction of the technology that we currently have.

In present day Los Angeles, it takes 3 years just to build a small one-block mall. And there are no hand-crafted gold-plated domes or spires.

Found this tidbit, re Bourne:

"The historical worth of these photographs is only now being fully appreciated. Museums and curators have, in the recent past, held exhibitions displaying whatever remains of the Bourne & Shepherd collection, after a massive fire in 1991 tragically destroyed most of the negatives and archival material in its possession."

From:
A Glimpse Into The Past: Calcutta Through The Eyes Of Bourne & Shepherd
 
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Username: HulkSmash
Date: 2020-01-28 20:12:31
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I don't think they demolished unless I am missing something in the discussion. The second google earth photo , which is looking over the "Tank", has the domed building in the earlier photos, to the left, not in view in the other Google earth views. The area that looks like they demolished is actually a relatively open spot you can see in the earlier photo. However, the earliest photos that show almost no one on the streets is so akin to that San Francisco panorama, its eerie.
 
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Username: Moriarty
Date: 2020-01-28 22:25:04
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And as ever.... Where is everybody?
 
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Username: Muiredach
Date: 2020-01-29 03:30:46
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Us British lost our megalithic building capabilities after two World Wars and a new Royal Family...

India, USA, even places like Singapore, wherever our empire was, so are the ‘Greco-Roman’ buildings, aka. Gregorian roamers, coming from Georgia with whom we share our flag. That of course, was once in Phoenician/Scythian/Anatolian region where Zionism was born from, and then ended up in Germany ? Remember, Churchill was a Jew too.

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Username: Starman
Date: 2020-02-01 23:03:43
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I deeply experience this conundrum myself.

I am spending a lot of time investigating the evidence for the Star Civilization that existed prior to ours. The amount of geo-engineering of canals and buildings, garden layouts and field systems linked by canals is staggering. There would have been billions and billions of people needed to build and maintain these works. They are all over the world and more is being discovered every day. These people would have known how to get along with each other, so could live side by side in great numbers.

Who were these people? Were they giants, are they the same species as us? Where is the evidence of their dead bodies? Are their bones buried under the mud floods? Clearly an earth catastrophe or series of catastrophes caused the destruction, maybe a war initiated it. Did most everyone die a physical death or did they ascend en masse to some other dimension/place? I believe it was the end of an earth era, not the first one on this planet/plane. A reset followed and here we are.

Where everybody went seems even more a mystery than what caused the ending. Something feels supernatural with all this, like there are different time lines converging, different realities that are overlapping for some of us. Because there are such great gaps in our knowledge and there seems to be an inability to put the pieces together, it points me to something extra-dimensional.

I'm not a woo-woo person, but the explanation does not appear available through normal sleuthing of historical events. One of my fantastical thoughts is that the previous Star CIv world was not a 3D world, but was created by 4D beings. The earth used to be a different place, and now for whatever reason has devolved into a plain ol' 3D human realm. The physical buildings built with ease in the 4D world have bled through or remained behind. The 4D beings ascended or removed themselves, hence no need for physical remains to be scattered everywhere.

If true, this would lead me to believe that resets are a normal part of this existence and that at the end of every earth era we get to ascend out of here if our karma is sufficient.
 
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Username: serafinablue
Date: 2020-02-01 23:26:38
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I was watching a show from the HIS story channel called Underground Marvels.
One of the episodes was about the Curtis Creek Ship Graveyard in Mallows Bay Maryland.
One of the analysts said the ships were sunk because
PEOPLE LOST THE KNOWLEDGE AND DIDN'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO BUILD THEM.
What???
Of course, the analysts never address WHY they lost the tools and knowledge, because why would they address that? :)
In 1925 they decided to torch 233 ships and salvage whatever was left.
How did the ships get built in the first place if the people building them forgot how to make them?
It would seem these ships were built by another civilization and there was an attempt to salvage them?
Who knows?

What I find interesting is that there's always been a lot of talk about "Having a strong navy, large fleet"
around the stories of WWI. And yet, those people building the fleet of ships forgot how to make them.
The more I observe the less I know for sure.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-02-01 23:27:28
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Well, may be certain things from that civilization you are looking for were repossessed by a later power. Just saying...

Images from here:
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Username: serafinablue
Date: 2020-02-01 23:32:06
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Fascinating thoughts. I share many of them with you.
There is something supernatural, interdimensional about this experience.
Your comment about a different dimension bleeding through?
Check out His Dark Materials on HBO.
It's based on a trilogy by Phillip Pullman.
The plot explores these different dimensions and how they bleed through to each other.
It's actually a great rendition of the first book of the trilogy.
It also focuses on the cold nether regions.
All the secrets seem to lie in the ice.
 
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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2020-02-06 00:20:13
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At the same time, we are told that the reason people (apparently everywhere) had big families is because infant and childhood mortality was very high from diseases, stillbirths, etc., and they needed at least a few to survive to take care of mum, dad, and the family farm later on. So which is it? Either they had loads of children, thus accounting for the rapid population growths of many countries; or they had loads of children but most of them died, which would tend to mean a growth rate not quite as high as is being claimed. And if so many people were dying of dysentery, cholera, influenza, plagues, and so on, then who the hell was left to do all the massive construction works all over the place? You'd think people would be so busy burying the dead that they'd have no time or energy to be worrying about putting up a new church.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-02-06 12:16:38
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Possibly possibly not.

From here Fort William Kolkata - Timings, History, Images - Holidify
Built in the year 1696, the fort is named after King William III and was the first stronghold of the British in the country. The magnificent structure is spread over 70.9 acres and is embellished with hundreds of arched windows that overlook lush green gardens. Meticulous stonework adorns the surface of the building and it took as long as took ten years to reach completion. However, it was soon realized that the building had a few loopholes, and a new octagonal building was constructed whose foundation was laid by Sir Robert Clive.

Fort William has a long and illustrious history attached to its name. Interestingly, there are two Fort Williams. The original one was built in 1696 by the British East India Company under the authority of John Goldsborough. The construction was started along the Hooghly river and the South-East Bastion was the first its adjacent walls were the first sections to be constructed. Eventually, it was named after King William III in the year 1700. 1701 saw John Beard adding the North-East bastion to the fort and the construction of the Government House was started right in the centre of the fort. Finally, Fort William was completed in the year 1706 with the final edifice having two stories and projecting wings. An internal guard room became the 'Black Hole of Calcutta'.

In 1756, the Nawab of Bengal, Siraj Ud Daulah, attacked the Wiliam Fort and temporarily conquered the city. He renamed the region 'Alinagar' and assumed control of the fort as well. This led the British to build a new fort in the Maidan under the watchful eye of Robert Clive. The construction of the new fort began in 1758, after the Batte of Plassey in 1757. A period of two years and a cost of approximately two million pounds was incurred as well.

The new Willliam Fort is octagonal in shape and has an imposing structure made out of brick and mortar. Three of its sides faced the River Ganga while the remaining five had a beautiful maidan full of greenery in front of it. The design of the fort follows the pattern of a star and was constructed such that it was impregnable against cannon firing slid shot. A moat was included in the design as well which provided protection against fire and fighters trying to penetrate the wall. There are six gates that provide access to the fort, namely Chowringhee, Plassey, Calcutta, Water Gate, St Georges and the Treasury Gate. St. Peter Church was constructed inside the new Fort in the year 1928.
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-02-07 00:58:09
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Now we know some of the "wonders" that England wanted when they conquered India.
"The jewel in the British Crown." The Brits did NOT want to give it up.
European powers (And America) occupied countries with lots of ancient ruins and then used the indigenous population as cheap slaves.
I think we are beginning to understand some of the main reasons for empires. Old civilization technology, free manpower, and infrastructure.
 
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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2020-02-07 05:13:23
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Indeed. And no other country on the plane(t) has as much ancient tech as India.

The same faith struck India as it struck southern US, Japan, China or Australia. Opportunists using existing tech, infrastructure and slave labour to build their world order. Natural order of things is what goes around, comes around.
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-02-14 14:27:39
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Fort William images. (I wonder what its real name was?)
It has the required oval horse racing track too.
Ponds as well, moats.
Yup, the British Raj and army moved right in. East India Co. too.
The ZOOM satellite image is much clearer than Google Earth.
You can just see the star points. Today it is the opposite of abandoned.


Black Hole?
The East India Company had built Fort William to guard their trading base at Calcutta at a time when the provincial governors of the Mogul empire, known as nawabs, wielded significant power. The Nawab of Bengal, Siraj-ud-daula, was concerned that the Company had begun to strengthen the fort in response to French interests in the area. Fearing that a stronger fortress would undermine his own political power in the province, he ordered the work to stop. When the British refused to comply he sent an army of a reported 50,000 soldiers, 500 elephants and 50 cannon to lay siege to the fortress. The nawab’s army met very little resistance as it advanced through Calcutta towards the fort, so the majority of British residents fled to the ships in the harbour. A small garrison remained in the fort under the command of John Zephaniah Holwell, an inexperienced military commander whose primary role was as a tax collector. Unable to defend the fortress, Holwell was forced to surrender on the afternoon of 20 June. He later reported that at 8pm 146 people were imprisoned in the fort’s tiny 4.30m. × 5.50m lock-up, of whom only 23 survived the night due to heat exhaustion and suffocation. Reports of the incident prompted a mixture of British anger and patriotism, and led to a violent retaliation by Robert Clive the following year. It is now known that Holwell’s figures were exaggerated, but a comprehensive study of the incident undertaken by Professor Brijen Gupta in the late 1950s concluded that of the lower number of around 64 prisoners, only 21 came out alive the next morning.


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Another fort of note. I think the Templar cross-shaped pit in the center is technological, and may have to do with frequency.
Manjarabad


 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-02-14 14:41:24
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JWW
Slightly off topic but you have done a ton of research into these structures so you are most likely to have an answer.
Have any of these structures been excavated, have any been desroyed by 'development' since the 1900's and have any of them ever thrown up a reasonably securing dating for their construction or renovation?
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2020-02-14 16:45:42
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My apologies KD, if we are straying off topic, but I feel this is important in regards to India.

As far as I know, few have been excavated sufficiently, if the have its kept most secret. Most have been kept clean of overgrowth, but not all. There's no way to really hide them. Ha-ha! Nice try PTB.
As for experience, see Colm Gibney. (Starforts.org) HE knows the most.
As always, they were probably multi-purpose in functionality.

A lot of them worldwide have been erased via development. In Alexandria VA alone we have only a few scattered star points.
In America, Civil War forts are usually held as national treasures. Many are in good condition and not overgrown or re-purposed.
Dating them is precarious. The mainstream always give a 1450-1860 or so dating window. Though I did find one from 1150. (That contradicts the European "Vauban era" of invention. Sébastien le Prestre de Vauban, and his Dutch peer Menno van Coehoorn). A clue.

I believe many were added on to and re-engineered over time, but what their original age is remains a mystery to my mind and others'.
Militaries usually build things linear, square, round, efficient, and simple, not asymmetrical and tremendously overcomplicated for no apparent reason. Artistic beauty, geometrical complication, planetary alignment, Ley Line friendly, geometrical expansion, geomancy, and natural harmony are not military necessities from any age...I think. Thats another big clue. Few of them make sense militarily if one uses critical thinking and understands strategy and position, though I concede protecting harbors, rivers, and cities does make sense. You can put cannon on anything and call it a fort.
Bottom line: Why not build something more simple, effective, and cheap?

Going back on topic, I think India is a huge treasure trove of early advanced civilization evidence for us. The lack of people in old photographs, incredible buildings, temples, star forts, and palaces tell us something important. Alexander the Great wanted India, then others, then the British. Keeping India is another matter, subjugating her unique spirit is quite another. No one accomplished that feat.
Indians today are literally living on top of their ancestors' amazing achievements.
I cant wait to visit.
Friends returning from trips gush about how spiritual, uplifting, and wonderful India is despite the crushing poverty and inequality.
Dont skimp on the cuisine, especially the vegetarian, it is literally medicine for the body and soul.


Vauban.jpegFort St. George India.jpegfort st. george India 2.jpeg

In the very good video below, we see that the British East India Co. was VERY busy in India....



 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-02-14 17:52:22
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Thanks. Been over there excavation doesn't get a mention. I do wonder where the term starfort originated. Pretty obvious why from the shapes but as to what they are really called or were called who knows.
According to google ngram the term star fort first appeared in the 1760's and it is in this book where it says
A kind of redoubt
Going over to REDOUBT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
It says a redoubt is
something that holds or defends a belief or a way of life, especially one that is disappearing or threatened:

Intriguing eh?
 
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