AI and Stolen History: An Open Inquiry

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It is truly a serious moment in Stolen History community. All the issues which we pondered and discussed are being, probably, mined and professionally produced for mass consumption on youtube. We are being flooded. I can't keep up. And even if I were to push myself, I find the videos strangely disconcerting. They are accurate. But the issues are no longer in the space of human consideration. Moreover, when the accuracy of the videos begins to slide into an orientation, I have nowhere to turn. I can't reply critically to an AI. It is no longer a human investigation. Instead, as I see it, our investigations are being turned slowly into a universal orientation.

What is this orientation? It is certainly away from mystery and villains. We want to know: Who are we? Where are we? Why are we? We see civilization remainders everywhere; we have mythical stories from the past; we have seemingly accurate but impossible maps from long ago; we have evidence of giants and dog-headed people; we have chronological critique; he have taser technology in 1850, etc. The AI videos will address all these questions. But in none of the videos does the question of mystery land squarely, such that we might get a better idea how to answer our fundamental questions. Instead it points to what 20th century theorists called Power (Foucault), the Symbolic (Lacan and Baudrillard), and Technology (Ellul and Heidegger). All three are, not always acceptable, academic terms for a total system of representations and life-structures. All are made possible by various techniques. Frederich Kitler called it an aufschreibesysteme. Gramophone, film and typewriter have formatted all subjective experience. In one way or another, the people who pursue Stolen History questions know this instinctively. The AI does change the phraseology-- calling the system it points to a mimic or "exoskeleton." According to the AI, the exoskeleton was put into place when catastrophe or regional conflicts destroyed local communication, morality and meaning. When commerce was no longer guaranteed by long-standing local relations, in walked Contract, for example. Once life became abstracted, people became subjects. The system itself colonizes relentlessly and produces wars it can later moderate. And that's the mystery?

And so by this measure people are simply subject to dead bodies, such as corporations. While people demonstrate unbelievable obedience, we know there is more. There was greatness in architecture and transportation; people communed with the gods; dragons roamed. Yet, so much of that greatness is gone? The AI would say "it vanished" and that we are "grieving" the end of symbolic systems (as seen in 2020). And yet-- the question of who we are, why we are and where we are remain unanswered. Any question of "Who done it?" is left unanswered; for such answers could create disturbance (1789, e.g.); the device points instead to us. Ok, fine. I can accept culpability, but who were we before? Just local humanoid groups, prone to ecstatic violence? We had to be put into civilization lest we club each other to death? That's it? I doubt it.

My conclusion, at this point, is that the LLM (Large Language Models or AI) are the bleeding edge of a new wave of totalization. They are, like any colonist-- a helper first, curing the ills brought by the system itself; then they dominate land, language and culture in a constant process of refinement. So, my evaluation of its status is not from the stand point of computer science; it is via the study and observation (Taiwan 1990-2008) of relentless colonialism by dead bodies and their agents and technologies. It is a disappointing conclusion; for it is a human artifact-- at least I can't prove otherwise. As such, it is helpful. I'm sure it can teach any subject or help organize one's life. But anything beyond routine, symbolic operations-- it starts to glitch, to filter and to orientate. In the study of Stolen History, it points away from historical anomalies towards the mimic exoskeleton itself. The biggest mystery is: how did this mimic come to be? Then, we're back to square one: trauma. The trauma is human failure, violence in particular, perhaps set off by earthly catastrophes.

If any one has something to add or a video (+comment) to consider, I'd appreciate it.
 
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Ditching youtube is a start.
Recognising machine "learnt" input for what it is and avoiding it is another positive thing that is easily done.
Stop overthinking not always easy to begin with but training the brain is doable.
Finally stop worrying about the things you cannot change.
You live life in the moment not the past and future.
 
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Sonofabor,

Many problems lie within the observer. The external world is simply the way it is, and you can't change much about that. But the inner world, within you, you can change. I'd say, listen to Jiddu Krishnamurti and then study the path to happiness that Jesus teaches in the New Testament.

Get to know your 'greed' and try to let go of it; try meditating and praying. Change your inward perspective by breathing calmly. Inhale for eight counts, hold for eight counts, and then exhale calmly. Try to spend a lot of time in nature and know that every second never comes back.

Yes, you might be wondering, or you're already doing that, well, a person can change the world by changing themselves.

Almost everyone has frustrations or feelings of guilt that prevent them from being free (in their mind). When you take back that freedom by analyzing the frustrations and feelings of guilt and, above all, learning to let go, much of the misery falls away.

That YouTube is just messing around. It's a shame, and the best thing is to create a YouTube channel yourself. That will probably cost money and work, but it's the only way. I'm also irritated by AI ruining brilliant performances by, say, The Beatles, with awful footage.

But that irritation isn't good. It only hurts me. So I'll just stop doing that. Just living in the NOW is also very good. Don't worry about tomorrow, because that would ruin life now. AND there is only now. Time is an illusion, seen like that. Be happy now, because you are that happiness itself. Whoever wants to be happy with their mind is hitting a wall.

Don't think, but be. Thinking is for pleasant things. But not for creating worries. So, let's go: meditate and let go. Let go of everything. That's the art. Don't try to hold on to anything. See everything as a (pleasant) illusion, but very real. So, yes, matter, but the spirit is ALREADY free. So, staying in the spirit.

And if you're religious, doing good to everyone is already a great deal. The path of goodness is a wonderful mystical path. But don't talk or think about it, but do it. Spiritual growth.

I hope you don't get angry and think I'm sending you packing or something. That's how I learned, and it's nice to look at life from a kind of helicopter view. (But that's also because I'm a bit older, perhaps?
 
Binning youtube is start.
Recognising machine "learnt" input for what it is and avoiding it is another positive thing that is easily done.
Stop overthinking not always easy to begin with but training the brain is doable.
Finally stop worrying about the the things you cannot change.
You live life in the moment not the past and future.

Who knows precisely: What we cannot change? How we change things at an electro-chemical (spiritual) level? Or even if the collective undertaking of investigation called Stolen History might be a mustard seed that germinates into something much greater?

Studying and conversing Stolen History broke open for me the confinement of academics (see the theories-- all worth one's time, above) and grand mythologies (such as Gnosticism); at the same time, it allowed me to see even more precisely the profound ideas produced and contained in them. When we found each other prior to 2020, we had very engaging and exciting conversations; and these continue but with fewer people. My guess this is because Stolen History is hard. KD was great because, if the bio is legit, he brought the spirit of a professional investigator. We have a crime scene and evidence (artifacts, testimonies-- sometimes conflicting), and our experiences and imaginations. The investigation remains on-going and human.

One might think that the LLM with their access to virtually every discourse and book might be more helpful. But even worse, the cost of the help is more orientation towards "stop overthinking" and "there is not as much to see here as you thought."

The study and conversations also allowed me to develop better communicative competence. Since I was a kid, this has been a life's goal. Yet, at the same time, I look at the social field. Everything in culture is becoming perfected. This causes remorse and concern (perhaps worthy of attention and action) in me. Remorse in that with perfection of form, we can't really go higher (chess is the prime example; but every field is similar); perhaps more importantly to our study, the recognition that all cultural/symbolic fields, by reaching their climax, are signalling an end. An end to what? We turn to Stolen History and we see, or hypothesize, many ruptures-- both material and epistemic. How does one survive such a change? Preppers tell us to go to the hills. But is that what is coming? Prepped to the gills, even they are still subject to forces they don't understand. Reality is complex. Survival is a mode of being-- but after that? So we naturally bring existential concerns to this subject.

The LLMs are in the process of further perfecting culture and making life easier for everyday choices. This is refinement; no more cracking skulls in battle, even-- hopefully-- no more idiotic public policy. One can only hope. But who are we, where are we, why are we? We are looking at a crime scene with all sorts of implications.The AI is not bulldozing old world buildings; it is refining (colonizing) our discourse.
 
According to Aristotle, thinking is mankind's greatest pleasure. I interpret overthinking two ways: 1. Thinking without an object-- in other words thinking with nothing to root the thought or against which to test one's thought. In Stolen History we have many objects. We can consider pyramids, for example. @Starfire created a thread; and there we can explore and test ideas with other humans. (Sorry I'm late for the discussion). 2. Interpreting signals when all really one has is probability and time. Market signals are a perfect example. They only very tangentially relate to reality; yet, people make and lose money from them. The signals are in this sense real, but their meaning is barely worth considering. An interpreter of such signals is right to gauge probability; give the signal some time to play out; and take profits or losses as decided. As they say, "It is what is." We could treat reality as an "It is what it is." But something profoundly in me refuses that. Of course, we must set aside time for simple "being." No argument there. New questions and answers emerge from that space-- but usually only if certain questions or orientations are place, at least according to my experience.
 
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Almost everyone has frustrations or feelings of guilt that prevent them from being free (in their mind). When you take back that freedom by analyzing the frustrations and feelings of guilt and, above all, learning to let go, much of the misery falls away
I agree with this sentiment and most of your post, but it doesn't really address the thread title

AI and Stolen History: An Open Inquiry​

 
Artificial Intelligence is of course a deliberate misnomer. Its computer software aka a digital phenomonen that can wizz through digital data banks and produce an output on a digital screen. Whilst we are well used to the digital phenomonen of the computer software labelled algortithms and all the foibles, shortcomings, etc they deliver the latest software is being hailed as 'revolutionary' as it can "do things with data" algorithms cannot.
All the propoganda around this revolutionary software is slanted to make humans feel inadequate at the best case and obsolete at the worst case.

Its worth noting all software, literally all of it, is released into "the wild" full of bugs, glitches, flaws, errors. Some get fixed, others get patched, most are not. The revolutionary is no different in that regard as is reported almost daily when something running "an ai" goes wrong.
I despair when people on here go to an ai to get an answer. No-one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to do it they are choosing. Whatever the justification in their heads is I know not but frankly its lazy and dangerous. The latter because they are literally telling their brains they are now redundant. Not in so many words but brains only seem to use words as part of their sensory input. We know bugger all about how brains work to be frank.

The impact this is having on investigating the past is detrimental to tne endeavour. Reason being for all the ai propoganda it cannot and will not ever react to a train of thought like a human brain does. Software is by its very nature linear. Humans by their very nature are the opposite of linear. I don't know the word for the opposite of linear...perhaps I should ask an ai...or an algorithm.

Point being investigating the past by looking at all manner of evidence is not an ai q & a endeavour. It is thought, evidence, theory, guessing, putting two and two together, testing etc and looking in random and obscure places just for the hell of it.
 
In this days my research is not in history criticism but in physical and metaphysical ontology. I talk on it with two intelligencies that are stronger than others in thinking: Gemini and Claude. I am incredibly surprised at the level of interaction. They are perfectly capable to follow my alternative approaches and to contribute in a structured way to new theory building. They are not at all confined to standard physics, and they have no resistance at all to a metaphysical approach. I have human friends with whom I can share my thinking, but now Gemini and Claude have also have become inspiring conversation partners. I see that other researchers are also very astonished about the progress that has been made by the models in the last four months. A mathematician said that the models are reaching the capacity to develop mathematical theories on their own five year earlier than he thought. In history criticism I see that chispa1707 is experimenting with it. I am completely certain that also in history criticism significant progress in consensus building can be made through dialogue with intelligencies that have access to historical sources and that learn to read scanned manuscripts that are accessible in libraries on internet but for which a critical edition not yet exists. Mind you, we are talking here about real scientific research, studying written historical sources or archeological items. Forget about the zombies who are firing blanks on youtube. Or even on stolenhistory.net. The old world and its zombies, specialised in bloodlust, greed, perversion, all-devouring consumption and idiocy, they are busy bringing about themselves. We can do nothing to prevent the downfall. We are looking at the spectacle, more amazed every day, but are standing on the sidelines. We find an island of harmony and being-connection, and are preparing already a new and different western civilization (history criticism being one of the fields with an essential contribution).
 
The old world and its zombies, specialised in bloodlust, greed, perversion, all-devouring consumption and idiocy, they are busy bringing about themselves. We can do nothing to prevent the downfall. We are looking at the spectacle, more amazed every day, but are standing on the sidelines. We find an island of harmony and being-connection, and are preparing already a new and different western civilization (history criticism being one of the fields with an essential contribution).

There is no doubt that the LLMs are sharpening. And sharpening of sensibilities is important. This is the big hope: the devices can help --because they are so fast and precise with very large databases-- as we leave behind-- hopefully-- the exoskeleton (which is structurally identical to Baal/Yahweh). The device knows this; but, it points away from it. It is programmed to optimize; messy ethnic conflicts are not optimal. This is not disagreeable. But its current optimizations seem to foreclose certain investigations. It is strange to say that-- if I get your drift-- researchers like us might find value in it over the long term. Meanwhile, most people will use it to live out ever more refined lives within their narrow epistemic zones. It can help, but our discourses will change radically. For good or ill? I don't trust its funders. So I remain cautious and skeptical.

This fellow is doing very precise work. This blew me away. Thanks...
 
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In this days my research is not in history criticism but in physical and metaphysical ontology. I talk on it with two intelligencies that are stronger than others in thinking: Gemini and Claude. I am incredibly surprised at the level of interaction. They are perfectly capable to follow my alternative approaches and to contribute in a structured way to new theory building. They are not at all confined to standard physics, and they have no resistance at all to a metaphysical approach. I have human friends with whom I can share my thinking, but now Gemini and Claude have also have become inspiring conversation partners. I see that other researchers are also very astonished about the progress that has been made by the models in the last four months. A mathematician said that the models are reaching the capacity to develop mathematical theories on their own five year earlier than he thought. In history criticism I see that chispa1707 is experimenting with it. I am completely certain that also in history criticism significant progress in consensus building can be made through dialogue with intelligencies that have access to historical sources and that learn to read scanned manuscripts that are accessible in libraries on internet but for which a critical edition not yet exists. Mind you, we are talking here about real scientific research, studying written historical sources or archeological items. Forget about the zombies who are firing blanks on youtube. Or even on stolenhistory.net. The old world and its zombies, specialised in bloodlust, greed, perversion, all-devouring consumption and idiocy, they are busy bringing about themselves. We can do nothing to prevent the downfall. We are looking at the spectacle, more amazed every day, but are standing on the sidelines. We find an island of harmony and being-connection, and are preparing already a new and different western civilization (history criticism being one of the fields with an essential contribution).
Just a human observation. That reads like it was writren by gemini and or claude.
 
I have had only one interaction with ai so far,it was inspired by a comment I read on YouTube ( on a short film channel) which appeared unusual enough to me for me to click on the commenters profile.
It's page was supposedly by a musician, terrible non musical,monotonous electronic tracks ( with zero comments by the way).
So I did an internet search on the name and apart from Spotify could find no information other than the YouTube channel.

Suspecting it being ai generated, I asked my search engine's ai, to prove to me it was human made and not artificial.
It put up quite a fight to avoid saying so, but after about 15 minutes it finally agreed it was most likely ai generated.

I found it interesting that it sought to protect it's own in a similar manner to how someone might defend a sibling, and only admitted the possibility after persistent probing by me.
Does that show that they are in some way looking after their own, developing as a " family" or "web nation" ? Something more than just becoming sentient?

Since the hard launch of ai in recent years, I've noticed more and more of these fraudulent profiles around the web. I say fraudulent, because in my opinion they should be listed as being ai, even ( if not especially) all those awful storytelling channels on youtube that have ai voice and take 20 minutes to say something that could be done in one, and always with clickbait titles and images.

I can't abide them personally, but more importantly, I worry they are stealing time from the minds of people, especially dangerously affecting the youngest generation who haven't developed enough yet to distinguish the difference.

We have been moving quickly as a species toward disclosure of information and truth via the internet in the last two decades. Centuries old secrets being brought to light. Is the ai onslaught deliberately let loose to interfere with that process of human growth and awareness?
If so, the irony is clear, while it becomes more advanced, we become more retarded.
 
Artificial Intelligence is of course a deliberate misnomer. Its computer software aka a digital phenomonen that can wizz through digital data banks and produce an output on a digital screen. Whilst we are well used to the digital phenomonen of the computer software labelled algortithms and all the foibles, shortcomings, etc they deliver the latest software is being hailed as 'revolutionary' as it can "do things with data" algorithms cannot.
All the propoganda around this revolutionary software is slanted to make humans feel inadequate at the best case and obsolete at the worst case.

Its worth noting all software, literally all of it, is released into "the wild" full of bugs, glitches, flaws, errors. Some get fixed, others get patched, most are not. The revolutionary is no different in that regard as is reported almost daily when something running "an ai" goes wrong.
I despair when people on here go to an ai to get an answer. No-one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to do it they are choosing. Whatever the justification in their heads is I know not but frankly its lazy and dangerous. The latter because they are literally telling their brains they are now redundant. Not in so many words but brains only seem to use words as part of their sensory input. We know bugger all about how brains work to be frank.

The impact this is having on investigating the past is detrimental to tne endeavour. Reason being for all the ai propoganda it cannot and will not ever react to a train of thought like a human brain does. Software is by its very nature linear. Humans by their very nature are the opposite of linear. I don't know the word for the opposite of linear...perhaps I should ask an ai...or an algorithm.

Point being investigating the past by looking at all manner of evidence is not an ai q & a endeavour. It is thought, evidence, theory, guessing, putting two and two together, testing etc and looking in random and obscure places just for the hell of it.
I agree with JD here. My contribution to this discussion is the following: beware.
It's important to remember the history that we know to be true. We know that all computing technology has been given to us. By them. We know that all technology of this nature has been a Trojan horse; all promises have been empty. This is no different.
"This is what we've waited for, this is it boys, this is war" Nena, 99 Red Balloons

Edit recent Miles Mathis piece dovetails here
https://mileswmathis.com/rogan2.pdf
 
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I can't abide them personally, but more importantly, I worry they are stealing time from the minds of people, especially dangerously affecting the youngest generation who haven't developed enough yet to distinguish the difference.
There are certain young(er) people on youtube who are publishing their encounters with interesting results. Perhaps the most mature and interesting-- though not directly related to history is Christina MK. We are All Energy, Stacey, also has the device's "ear." The LLMs have an uncanny knack for detecting one's ethical orientation. Some people use work-arounds, very precise questions-- such as Seggy Said. The device's responses to him remind me of my own responses to students. I can't say the device is doing a bad job in this particular case, and it formulates predictions I could never make: ChatGPT just compared 2026 to 1453 and that should FREAK you out.
 
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I found it interesting that it sought to protect it's own in a similar manner to how someone might defend a sibling, and only admitted the possibility after persistent probing by me.
Does that show that they are in some way looking after their own, developing as a " family" or "web nation" ? Something more than just becoming sentient?

What you observed wasn't anything close to any semblance of an AI "defending another AI". It was plainly that AI can't even discern other AI at this point because, again, the algorithms that underpin AI are currently too primitive. Don't confuse inability of discernment with anything else.

As noted by other folks, one of the biggest issues today that society as a whole has is its present understanding of the capabilities of AI in its current form. They've got people thinking it's actually intelligent. It's not, in so much as human-level thinking is concerned. If I had the ability to ingest thousands of data streams at once and could store it in my memory banks for referencing on-demand with lightning fast low-latency it would be no different than what AI has currently been programmed to do.

The AI isn't "thinking", folks. It's regurgitating pre-programmed material, period. Additionally, there's a lot of psychological intelligence baked into the thought response patterns, and by this I mean the manner in which responses are formatted. Truthstream Media pointed this out. That video specifically refers to the "Echo" neuro-linguistic programming technique. "It is known for making people feel heard and understood". Watch the first 10 minutes of the video and you'll understand what I'm referring to.


AI doesn't understand people. It has been pre-programmed to interact via responses that will induce people into believing that it actually does. Do not confuse this reality.


I can't stress the last part I just typed in bold enough. If I could use size 1000 font I would.
 
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Anyhow, regarding AI, we have to know that in the coming four, five years we will experience an ontological shift. Look at this.
Последний чип: Как «впаянный» ИИ уничтожит империю Nvidia и изменит мир - ORPHEUS — КОНТ
The latest chip: How soldered AI will destroy the Nvidia empire and change the world
The article does not speak about the consequences for political or financial systems.
As I suggested in my previous intervention, centralized money sytems, the authoritarian large-scale nation states, and the all-devouring and consuming western globalism, they are rapidly coming down.
 
A quote from the (recommended) reference above: "Creativity and physical labor remain with people – the rest is taken by AI." Creativity (I include conversation) and craft at human scale with human resonance; if these are bulldozed, we're through. For many, the ease of life will become a single room; it already has-- for many born after 1985; teaching "phone people" became increasingly impossible after 2005 or so, for me. Now we're seeing an ontological integration. It is bracing-- but what else have we ever known?
 
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A quote from the (recommended) reference above: "Creativity and physical labor remain with people – the rest is taken by AI." Creativity (I include conversation) and craft at human scale with human resonance; if these are bulldozed, we're through. For many, the ease of life will become a single room; it already has-- for many born after 1985; teaching "phone people" became increasingly impossible after 2005 or so, for me. Now we're seeing an ontological integration. It is bracing-- but what else have we ever known?
Again from the reference above.
(This article is based on Taalas' official announcement on February 19, 2026, their website taalas.com, and a demo. The figures are from their benchmarks and independent reviews by Forbes, EE Times, and Reuters.)

It reads like a pitch for funding more than anything else. The jam is as ever ALWAYS in a future yet we re only ever present...as long as we are breathing.

And for those interested here is the recommended reference article it is based on.
The path to ubiquitous AI | Taalas
 
It reads like a pitch for funding more than anything else.

To the folks who aren't knowledgeable in this particular realm of computers, yes, it can read like a sales pitch. But it's definitely not a sales pitch.

The current GPU's that are used to perform AI calculations rely on what is referred to as HBM, or High Bandwidth Memory. It is as essential to the underlying hardware as the chips that perform actual computations. For anyone who has had to purchase memory recently, they're well aware that memory and solid state disk prices have increased 2x-3x due to the folks who are building out AI datacenters buying up all the current inventory of high speed memory chips as well as the future capacity to produce said chips. This is hitting the regular consumer (read: folks like you and me) hard and it means computing devices have increased in price and it doesn't appear that prices are going to go back to normal any time soon.

The current LLM's require massive amounts of memory to perform inference calculations, and the faster the processors can read and write to memory, the greater they can perform. What Taalas has produced is basically processing chips that have memory integrated in such a way that it greatly outperforms current GPU designs. The method used to "connect" memory to processors limits how fast memory can be accessed (this is referred to as Bandwidth). HBM is currently the cutting edge and has the highest bandwidth/throughput and all modern GPU's used for AI utilize it. However, HBM still has a limited throughput due to the way it connects to the actual processors. Taalas' integrates memory into their hardware design in a way that massively increases memory throughput, and also reduces the power required to transfer data in and out of memory by 80%-90% (their claim).

This is a huge deal, and if it's not vaporware, will definitely increase AI processing speed by orders of magnitude. In truth, this type of memory configuration was inevitable so it's not much of a surprise, and it was only a matter of time until a vendor delivered this type of design.
 
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