Alternative Mega Theories

[Tapioca]

Speaking about a soul trap / farm....

During a NDE there is a person at the end of the tunnel. This person is supposed to be the guard or guide a ferry into the afterlife. Someone has a NDE and goes down a tunnel of heavenly light and sees a person or group. They will see all sorts of people. Their dead relatives, Jesus, Buddha, children will see their living parents, or even cartoon characters. The one thing these beings at the end of the tunnel have in common is their LIE about their identity. What happens after this? The NDE person is given a review of all the BAD things they have done in their life. They feel bad, guilt, shame. They are sent back from the dead to complete their "mission" which is not revealed. They are given contradictory information by these beings - heaven and hell do or do not exist, the devil does or doesn't exist, Jesus is not the messiah or is, etc. It's different.

That shouldn't be if it was truly a divine experience. So, what is the point of this experience at all?
A human, released from their prison body is CAPTURED soul was sent through a tunnel of light (false heaven) to a masqueraded being that gives contradictory information. They are given a review of all the bad they did. They feel shame, guilt, bad feelings from being given this life review. Then they are told it is not time for them to die and sent back to complete their "mission." There is no advice given how to correct their mistakes or what this mysterious mission is. What IS the purpose?

Does this fit with reincarnation? Are we shown our past lives at this time and the progress we have made? No we don't remember our past lives at all. If we are meant to learn something from this process why is it KEPT from US?

This fits in with the stories of pagan gods erasing the memories of humans after they die to be trapped in the circle of reincarnation. Fitting into the idea of the Nephilim or fallen angels, evil spirits, archons, parasitic supernatural entities, the human life force is the food / energy source for these beings. They live off our negative feelings.

The death of the body, the release of the soul to our true home is halted by this masqueraded being. Bad feelings are forced on the soul. Then the soul is dismissed for not being good enough for heaven yet.

IF the person is good enough, apparently their memory is erased and their souls are trapped in another body to feel pain, shame, guilt, grieve, and struggle. When does this end? When we all learn our "lessons?"

 

[jeenam]

Speaking about a soul trap / farm....

During a NDE there is a person at the end of the tunnel. This person is supposed to be the guard or guide a ferry into the afterlife.

I wonder why there's a "guide/guardian" at the end of the tunnel and how they got there in the first place. Apparently there's a bouncer at the entrance to the afterlife? Sounds fishy to me.

 

[Tapioca]

I wonder why there's a "guide/guardian" at the end of the tunnel and how they got their in the first place. Apparently there's a bouncer at the entrance to the afterlife? Sounds fishy to me.

The more I think about it the more creepy it is. I remember when my father died when I was a kid I was sorta horrified how no one could agree what happens after you die. My mom said, no one has died and came back, except those NDErs but there is a scientific explanation ??

The more I learn about this otherworldly evil spirits / gods / ancestors parasites the creepier it the idea of being in a soul trap or soul farm gets.

For me, the biggest question is why would God let us be trapped forever? When does it end? And no Jesus being the son of God does nothing. NDEs say both he did or did not exist. And Satan is both real and not real. They cannot agree because the bouncers LIE.

 

[feralimal]

The more I think about it the more creepy it is. I remember when my father died when I was a kid I was sorta horrified how no one could agree what happens after you die. My mom said, no one has died and came back, except those NDErs but there is a scientific explanation ??

The more I learn about this otherworldly evil spirits / gods / ancestors parasites the creepier it the idea of being in a soul trap or soul farm gets.

For me, the biggest question is why would God let us be trapped forever? When does it end? And no Jesus being the son of God does nothing. NDEs say both he did or did not exist. And Satan is both real and not real. They cannot agree because the bouncers LIE.

The soul trap info is really interesting, especially because it can give the opportunity to take a scientific view on the metaphysical. One can review lots of accounts and consider what they mean.

The problem is that of interpretation. One cannot know what another thinks and feels, nor how they interpret/see things. If you think in terms of "Christianity", you will perhaps see Jesus, but this won't necessarily be the reality, just that person's interpretation. If you think in terms of "good/bad", you may see a judgement, but this again will be an interpretation.

You simply cannot take the person doing the perceiving out of what they see.

This means that to try to understand the underlying reality via accounts, you then have to deconstruct the interpreter themselves. We actually run into the (very similar) problems that we have with history. Historians may be providing faithful accounts of their findings, but they themselves are a product of society and education - they assume stories such as 'dinosaurs', 'Jesus 2000 years ago', etc to be true - this is their starting point, they 'know' this. Similarly, how would you reach the truth of what happened with covid, reading people's accounts of what happened, when they already 'know' they had a deadly virus and were treated by a vaccine? It's very hard to unpick what is really going on in any account, historic, scientific, metaphysic.

I tend to think that the metaphysical/historical/scientific accounts say more about the person than the underlying reality. If, in their heart, they 'know' good/bad they experience that - if they 'know' Christianity they maybe see Jesus, or whatever. Each person renders their experience according to what they 'know'. Are 'false stories', 'false "knowledge"' the soul trap? Is personal honesty the exit?

 

[MaziarMohajer]

I've witnessed many people's final moments. To me, death feels like a machine shutting down. Still, I've always wished for my own last minutes to be peaceful—whether or not they come with a near-death experience.

 

[jeenam]

I've witnessed many people's final moments. To me, death feels like a machine shutting down. Still, I've always wished for my own last minutes to be peaceful—whether or not they come with a near-death experience.

This is probably what you're looking for:

Maker of suicide pod plans to launch in Switzerland

 

[MaziarMohajer]

This is probably what you're looking for:

Maker of suicide pod plans to launch in Switzerland

LoL . Can you guarantee ?

 

[jeenam]

LoL . Can you guarantee ?

Nitrous knocks you out unconcious. You'd definitely go peacefully. If you've ever been to the dentist to have your wisdom tooth pulled you'd understand.

 

[Tapioca]

You simply cannot take the person doing the perceiving out of what they see.

This means that to try to understand the underlying reality via accounts, you then have to deconstruct the interpreter themselves. We actually run into the (very similar) problems that we have with history. Historians may be providing faithful accounts of their findings, but they themselves are a product of society and education - they assume stories such as 'dinosaurs', 'Jesus 2000 years ago', etc to be true - this is their starting point, they 'know' this. Similarly, how would you reach the truth of what happened with covid, reading people's accounts of what happened, when they already 'know' they had a deadly virus and were treated by a vaccine? It's very hard to unpick what is really going on in any account, historic, scientific, metaphysic.

I tend to think that the metaphysical/historical/scientific accounts say more about the person than the underlying reality. If, in their heart, they 'know' good/bad they experience that - if they 'know' Christianity they maybe see Jesus, or whatever. Each person renders their experience according to what they 'know'. Are 'false stories', 'false "knowledge"' the soul trap? Is personal honesty the exit?

I think personal honesty IS the deconstruction of the interpreter. The difference in what people see is what worries me because there is not one truth at all. No one agrees on anything. There is no exit in this example.

On the topic of Covid.
I did not take the vaccine. I got Covid. I tested positive on a home test. I was sick for real for two weeks. I did not get sick again. I wanted to avoid that vaccine for the rest of my life especially because I am told I am forever immune. When I was pregnant I was guilted to take the vaccine for my baby. I did not need a vaccine for everything because I still had the antibodies, but, covid was different. The 1% chance IMHO that my baby would get sick and I could have prevented it made me take the vaccine.

 

[Tapioca]

More thoughts on this:
The being at the end of the tunnel of LIGHT. Satan disguises himself as a being of LIGHT. If this was a true heavenly "being" everyone would see/hear the same thing. Does God make mistakes and whoops killed someone before their predetermined time? How can it be this intermediary tell someone they did not complete their mission. Any help knowing what it is? Nope. Why not? Is it meant to be a surprise? Are we supposed to guess? If it is so important just say it.

Why doesn't God tell us what our mission is. He told Jonah. In the Bible God tells him to tell the idol worshipers to stop or they would be destroyed. He ran away onto a ship. He got thrown overboard, swallowed by a big fish, and spat out at the idol worshipers home. He knew his mission and refused. In the end he was forced to do it anyway.

Another common happening is the negative review of their life? The reminders of the bad deeds bringing guilt and shame on the free soul and corrals the soul back to its fake HOME on EARTH ONLY. The being is an evil shepherd preventing the escape from the farm. These parasites feed off negative energy. We cannot pass.

The parasitic spirit beings / demons / Nephilim / ancestors have a particular love of blood sacrifices especially of someone who dies terrified and produces adrenochrome. This is not a western thing BTW, witch doctors in Africa say the same, the pagan god's love a sacrifice of a terrified person because their spirit energy is at its height. What does the being say to them? Not only did they perform shameful things, they died terrified and screaming as a sacrifice for a "being." Mission complete?

 

[Just]

More thoughts on this:
The being at the end of the tunnel of LIGHT. Satan disguises himself as a being of LIGHT. If this was a true heavenly "being" everyone would see/hear the same thing. Does God make mistakes and whoops killed someone before their predetermined time? How can it be this intermediary tell someone they did not complete their mission. Any help knowing what it is? Nope. Why not? Is it meant to be a surprise? Are we supposed to guess? If it is so important just say it.

Why doesn't God tell us what our mission is. He told Jonah. In the Bible God tells him to tell the idol worshipers to stop or they would be destroyed. He ran away onto a ship. He got thrown overboard, swallowed by a big fish, and spat out at the idol worshipers home. He knew his mission and refused. In the end he was forced to do it anyway.

Another common happening is the negative review of their life? The reminders of the bad deeds bringing guilt and shame on the free soul and corrals the soul back to its fake HOME on EARTH ONLY. The being is an evil shepherd preventing the escape from the farm. These parasites feed off negative energy. We cannot pass.

The parasitic spirit beings / demons / Nephilim / ancestors have a particular love of blood sacrifices especially of someone who dies terrified and produces adrenochrome. This is not a western thing BTW, witch doctors in Africa say the same, the pagan god's love a sacrifice of a terrified person because their spirit energy is at its height. What does the being say to them? Not only did they perform shameful things, they died terrified and screaming as a sacrifice for a "being." Mission complete?

Isn’t Satan a being of ‘light’ as in Lucifer? Perhaps this ‘go to the light’ message is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. And if we have committed errors or performed bad deeds in our lives, how are we to blame? We have been surrounded by evil all our lives (veil / evil / live / vile - all anagrams btw). The devil lived backwards (literally). If we chose the wrong path, who presented us with the paths? Who corrupted our thinking and gave us free will to destroy ourselves? Remember the Crowley slogan ‘Do what thou willst’? So many lies and so much deception. By the way this machine shutting down/ peaceful death analogy sounds like either a drug-induced end-of-life ‘care’ death. My mother died without medication and it was a very violent, visceral reaction which my sister, who was with her, will never forget. She isn’t religious but she said it was like watching her soul being ripped from her body. She was 99.

 

[Just]

Isn’t Satan a being of ‘light’ as in Lucifer? Perhaps this ‘go to the light’ message is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. And if we have committed errors or performed bad deeds in our lives, how are we to blame? We have been surrounded by evil all our lives (veil / evil / live / vile - all anagrams btw). The devil lived backwards (literally). If we chose the wrong path, who presented us with the paths? Who corrupted our thinking and gave us free will to destroy ourselves? Remember the Crowley slogan ‘Do what thou willst’? So many lies and so much deception. By the way this machine shutting down/ peaceful death analogy sounds like either a drug-induced end-of-life ‘care’ death. My mother died without medication and it was a very violent, visceral reaction which my sister, who was with her, will never forget. She isn’t religious but she said it was like watching her soul being ripped from her body. She was 99.

Sorry - I said ‘either’ but not the ‘or’. A bit controversial but maybe the people who die like ‘a machine shutting down’ are the NPCs of the world. And without midazolam or morphine which reduce respiratory function and allow for a ‘peaceful’ death, the violence of my mother’s passing may be more common than we’re led to believe by on-screen depictions of the process of dying.

 

[Tapioca]

Sorry - I said ‘either’ but not the ‘or’. A bit controversial but maybe the people who die like ‘a machine shutting down’ are the NPCs of the world. And without midazolam or morphine which reduce respiratory function and allow for a ‘peaceful’ death, the violence of my mother’s passing may be more common than we’re led to believe by on-screen depictions of the process of dying.

I'm sorry about your mother. That sounds like an awful thing to go through.

You're right, a lot of what we know that we have not experienced is based on TV depictions. I know Michael Landon from the TV show "Highway to Heaven" did not have a peaceful death and was crying out he was going to hell.

Isn’t Satan a being of ‘light’ as in Lucifer? Perhaps this ‘go to the light’ message is the exact opposite of what we should be doing.

Maybe that is the secret the FREE masons are hiding. They are FREE but from what?

We have been surrounded by evil all our lives (veil / evil / live / vile - all anagrams btw). The devil lived backwards (literally).

God is dog spelled backwards as well. Language has power. A summary of "Newspeak" from Orwell's 1984:

" The intellectual purpose of Newspeak is to make all anti-Ingsoc thoughts "literally unthinkable" as speech. As constructed, Newspeak vocabulary communicates the exact expression of sense and meaning that a member of the Party could wish to express, while excluding secondary denotations and connotations, eliminating the ways of lateral thinking (indirect thinking), which allow a word to have additional meanings. The linguistic simplification of Oldspeak into Newspeak was realised with neologisms, the elimination of ideologically undesirable words, and the elimination of the politically unorthodox meanings of words."​

 

[Just]

I'm sorry about your mother. That sounds like an awful thing to go through.

You're right, a lot of what we know that we have not experienced is based on TV depictions. I know Michael Landon from the TV show "Highway to Heaven" did not have a peaceful death and was crying out he was going to hell.



Maybe that is the secret the FREE masons are hiding. They are FREE but from what?



God is dog spelled backwards as well. Language has power. A summary of "Newspeak" from Orwell's 1984:

" The intellectual purpose of Newspeak is to make all anti-Ingsoc thoughts "literally unthinkable" as speech. As constructed, Newspeak vocabulary communicates the exact expression of sense and meaning that a member of the Party could wish to express, while excluding secondary denotations and connotations, eliminating the ways of lateral thinking (indirect thinking), which allow a word to have additional meanings. The linguistic simplification of Oldspeak into Newspeak was realised with neologisms, the elimination of ideologically undesirable words, and the elimination of the politically unorthodox meanings of words."​

Re your comment on why Freemasons are called that - I’ve always thought, in the post-reset world, the ‘elites’ just appropriated the Tartarian buildings and said they’d built them and the ‘freehold’ belonged to them - so they got the masonry for free

 

[Tapioca]

Re your comment on why Freemasons are called that - I’ve always thought, in the post-reset world, the ‘elites’ just appropriated the Tartarian buildings and said they’d built them and the ‘freehold’ belonged to them - so they got the masonry for free

That makes sense too. I think there is some evil spiritual component to them in addition to that.

Freemasons have their initiation where they are put into a coffin. Perhaps they DIE for real and are do the secret handshake with the being. I think it is a Tibetan belief that says if a person is dead, and comes back to life they need to be checked by a shaman to be sure their body is not possessed by a demon. Maybe during that masonic ritual, they do die and get their demon or their replacement soul. Or something.

 

[grav]

some deep perspectives here.
the meaning of life and all that gnostic jazz. where Advanced Beings (aeons) emanated a hologram projection that we "live" in.

Suffering seems to be a universal constant. Why? And a painful death? Is it better to be sedated at the end of life?
As a skeptic of modern medicine, I avoid doctors and hospitals like the plague. Natural cures may not cure all ailments, but it's where I start exploring when the inevitable new pain comes along.

The physical world is indeed a painful plane. Lucifer, as some posters have mentioned, may have brought light into our world. Or else he took credit for it. I see him as the bloodthirtsy God of Abraham who brought confusion and evil into our collective existence.
It is our fault that we allow this being to rule and torture us.

 

[alltheleaves]

This audio interview with a near death experiencer who interacted with a demiurge.. is optimistic in certain ways.

Near Death Experiencer Who Experienced A Demiurge -- Interviewed by Wayne Bush -- Transcript

 

[Maxine]

Speaking about a soul trap / farm....

During a NDE there is a person at the end of the tunnel. This person is supposed to be the guard or guide a ferry into the afterlife. Someone has a NDE and goes down a tunnel of heavenly light and sees a person or group. They will see all sorts of people. Their dead relatives, Jesus, Buddha, children will see their living parents, or even cartoon characters. The one thing these beings at the end of the tunnel have in common is their LIE about their identity. What happens after this? The NDE person is given a review of all the BAD things they have done in their life. They feel bad, guilt, shame. They are sent back from the dead to complete their "mission" which is not revealed. They are given contradictory information by these beings - heaven and hell do or do not exist, the devil does or doesn't exist, Jesus is not the messiah or is, etc. It's different.

That shouldn't be if it was truly a divine experience. So, what is the point of this experience at all?
A human, released from their prison body is CAPTURED soul was sent through a tunnel of light (false heaven) to a masqueraded being that gives contradictory information. They are given a review of all the bad they did. They feel shame, guilt, bad feelings from being given this life review. Then they are told it is not time for them to die and sent back to complete their "mission." There is no advice given how to correct their mistakes or what this mysterious mission is. What IS the purpose?

Does this fit with reincarnation? Are we shown our past lives at this time and the progress we have made? No we don't remember our past lives at all. If we are meant to learn something from this process why is it KEPT from US?

This fits in with the stories of pagan gods erasing the memories of humans after they die to be trapped in the circle of reincarnation. Fitting into the idea of the Nephilim or fallen angels, evil spirits, archons, parasitic supernatural entities, the human life force is the food / energy source for these beings. They live off our negative feelings.

The death of the body, the release of the soul to our true home is halted by this masqueraded being. Bad feelings are forced on the soul. Then the soul is dismissed for not being good enough for heaven yet.

IF the person is good enough, apparently their memory is erased and their souls are trapped in another body to feel pain, shame, guilt, grieve, and struggle. When does this end? When we all learn our "lessons?"

Never go into the light! Problem solved. Just turn around from it and you'll see the entire YoUniverse pretty much, just say or manifest that you wish to go home instead, to your homerealm where you came from before you got lured into Earth trap, and that's how you'll leave in this scenario. It's not even an escape or whatever, it's just a matter of consent and you disagree to go to the light and reincarnate again. Most of the people/souls couldn't grasp any of what I'm talking about here that's why they get trapped over and over again like in a cycle pretty much.

 

[ViniB]

During my NDE many years ago, there was no light in the tunnel, just a place i've never ever saw before (or till this day) and was super blissfull and cozy, felt like home tbh. Only lasted some seconds in the real world but to me it felt like a good amount of time

Won't pretend that i actually lnow what it was all about, because i don't buy into any new age cults anymore

Edit: forgot to tell what this place i've been was. Basically, a beautiful garden with small waterfalls, a massive tree in the center, and beings that were tall and blue. My guess is these beings were made out of some sort of blue light/frequency, and were totally peacefull

 

[feralimal]

During my NDE many years ago, there was no light in the tunnel, just a place i've never ever saw before (or till this day) and was super blissfull and cozy, felt like home tbh. Only lasted some seconds in the real world but to me it feltro like a good amount of time

Won't pretend that i actually lnow what it was all about, because i don't buy into any new age cults anymore

Interesting account - thanks.

As far as I can tell, no one knows anything much about the next life - and obviously there are opposing accounts.

If someone really has information that it IS/IS NOT a soul trap, I wish they would comment here and tell us how they gained that knowledge!