This bloke was the publisher of books in the mid 1800's who lived in New Orleans. This singular book entitled:;
Norman’s New Orleans and Environs.
It can be read online here Norman's New Orleans and Environs by Benjamin Moore Norman
Is what led me to writing this thread.
Frostychud's thread based largely in this books content can be read here.
Lost New Orleans
I have learnt over my time on the stolenhistory sites to look for and where possible into the names being pushed as creator to get a handle on why they said what they said if indeed the name is likely to be the actual creator.
I am posting my findings here as they are contradictory to frostychuds claims and as such they would likely be moved anyway were they posted in that thread.
My base position is dead simple. The history we are told and sold is off. The reason its off is those who claim to be in authority base that claim in a control of a past that they themselves invent.
Resets and mudfloods are red herrings thrown out for those who notice things are off, few though we are, to while away their lives on.
Mr Norman at the time of this books publication had his premises and shop at 16 Camp street New Orleans as evidenced in the book.
He was a bookseller, publisher, printer and published author.
Straight off the bat I have been unable to find out what this book cost when originally published. Not surprising really given it was published 176 years ago. Reason the price is important is it would give a guide to Mr Normans buying audiences social standing.
As there is no way to establish the literacy level of the people of New Orleans it comes down to the guessing game when looking for the audience
So keeping it vague as its literally a guess I argue few of the population of New Orleans at the time of printing could read its contents in comparison to the size of the total population and fewer still would buy it.
Greater numbers further afield could likely read it but no way to know how long the book remained on sale, if it was reprinted, if it flopped or how quickly other books on the same subject superseded it or where it was sold outside of New Orleans.
Mr Norman included a town plan with his book as evidenced below. It may have also been sold separately which makes sense as it would be much more useful to the visitor than the book.
In modern parlance the sale of the book delivered most profit per item sold, but if that doesn't fly he can still sell them a plan of the town so he gets a sale.
He advertises another book in this one and it is I argue the real reason why Mr Norman produced the book in the first place.
This other book is a business directory
NORMAN'S NEW ORLEANS BUSINESS DIRECTORY, For 1845-6.
This book is where Mr Norman made his money or hoped to make it. He could sell a copy to the majority of those businesses he lists, business visitors to the city etc. He could also sell them to booksellers in other cities where business people abounded who could want to do business in New Orleans.
In short this book has much greater but more focussed appeal than the other. It likely contained advertisements the income from which might well cover publishing costs.
Sadly I cannot find it digitised anywhere but a hard copy exists
NORMAN'S NEW ORLEANS BUSINESS DIRECTORY, FOR 1845 & 1846: CONTAINING THE NAMES, RESIDENCES AND OCCUPATIONS OF MERCHANTS AND BANKERS, MECHANICS AND PROFESSIONAL MEN, CLASSIFIED AND ARRANGED ALPHABETICALLY WITH APPENDIX,
And judging from the price tag, $2,750.00 its quite a rare thing.
Key thing is this bit which is the sellers description.
I argue Mr Norman is basically trying something new or copying something he had seen or heard work in another city either in America or overseas.
This bit from the sellers description sheds a light on the undertaking.
Here is Mr Normans advertisement for his business that appeared in the book about the history of New Orleans. From the project gutenburg link
I note Mr Norman styles himself as Publisher. He makes no claim to be the author of the work although the project gutenburg transcriber puts his name against the author label.
The reason why he cannot claim to be the author is given in his preface. Bolding is mine.
So he or some other gentleman copied bits from "several works of history" that went uncredited. Whether it was lifted word for word or just interpreted so too speak is unknown. The titles of the works and in turn their authors name are equally unknown, sadly as they would be well worth a read.
Mr Norman lived in New York prior to 1837
His books can be read here Rambles in Yucatan; or, Notes of Travel Through the Peninsula Including a Visit to the Remarkable Ruins of Chi-Chen, Kabah, Zayi, and Uxmal. 2nd ed
And here Rambles by Land and Water; or, Notes of Travel in Cuba and Mexico.
In both Mr Norman is the author of the work.
He himself travelled from New Orleans as evidenced here, on both trips.
These two books will I feel give a great insight into Mr Normans way of looking at his world and may shed light on which bits of the Norman’s New Orleans and Environs book, if any, he wrote.
As for the claims frostychud makes about this man and the content of the book he published its up to you, dear reader, to decide for yourself if they are valid.
Edit to add.
I have just begun reading
Norman’s New Orleans and Environs.
It can be read online here Norman's New Orleans and Environs by Benjamin Moore Norman
CONTAINING A BRIEF HISTORICAL SKETCH OF THE TERRITORY AND STATE OF LOUISIANA, AND THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, FROM THE EARLIEST PERIOD TO THE PRESENT TIME:
PRESENTING A COMPLETE GUIDE
TO ALL SUBJECTS OF GENERAL INTEREST IN THE SOUTHERN METROPOLIS; WITH A
CORRECT AND IMPROVED PLAN OF THE CITY, PICTORIAL ILLUSTRATIONS OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS, ETC.
NEW ORLEANS:
PUBLISHED BY B. M. NORMAN.
Is what led me to writing this thread.
Frostychud's thread based largely in this books content can be read here.
Lost New Orleans
I have learnt over my time on the stolenhistory sites to look for and where possible into the names being pushed as creator to get a handle on why they said what they said if indeed the name is likely to be the actual creator.
I am posting my findings here as they are contradictory to frostychuds claims and as such they would likely be moved anyway were they posted in that thread.
My base position is dead simple. The history we are told and sold is off. The reason its off is those who claim to be in authority base that claim in a control of a past that they themselves invent.
Resets and mudfloods are red herrings thrown out for those who notice things are off, few though we are, to while away their lives on.
Mr Norman at the time of this books publication had his premises and shop at 16 Camp street New Orleans as evidenced in the book.
He was a bookseller, publisher, printer and published author.
Straight off the bat I have been unable to find out what this book cost when originally published. Not surprising really given it was published 176 years ago. Reason the price is important is it would give a guide to Mr Normans buying audiences social standing.
As there is no way to establish the literacy level of the people of New Orleans it comes down to the guessing game when looking for the audience
So keeping it vague as its literally a guess I argue few of the population of New Orleans at the time of printing could read its contents in comparison to the size of the total population and fewer still would buy it.
Greater numbers further afield could likely read it but no way to know how long the book remained on sale, if it was reprinted, if it flopped or how quickly other books on the same subject superseded it or where it was sold outside of New Orleans.
Mr Norman included a town plan with his book as evidenced below. It may have also been sold separately which makes sense as it would be much more useful to the visitor than the book.
In modern parlance the sale of the book delivered most profit per item sold, but if that doesn't fly he can still sell them a plan of the town so he gets a sale.
He advertises another book in this one and it is I argue the real reason why Mr Norman produced the book in the first place.
This other book is a business directory
NORMAN'S NEW ORLEANS BUSINESS DIRECTORY, For 1845-6.
From the project Gutenberg link above.Containing the names, residences and occupations of Merchants and Bankers, Mechanics and Professional men. Classed and arranged alphabetically.
This book is where Mr Norman made his money or hoped to make it. He could sell a copy to the majority of those businesses he lists, business visitors to the city etc. He could also sell them to booksellers in other cities where business people abounded who could want to do business in New Orleans.
In short this book has much greater but more focussed appeal than the other. It likely contained advertisements the income from which might well cover publishing costs.
Sadly I cannot find it digitised anywhere but a hard copy exists
NORMAN'S NEW ORLEANS BUSINESS DIRECTORY, FOR 1845 & 1846: CONTAINING THE NAMES, RESIDENCES AND OCCUPATIONS OF MERCHANTS AND BANKERS, MECHANICS AND PROFESSIONAL MEN, CLASSIFIED AND ARRANGED ALPHABETICALLY WITH APPENDIX,
And judging from the price tag, $2,750.00 its quite a rare thing.
Key thing is this bit which is the sellers description.
So each book contains an advert for the other.The final leaf advertises Norman's shop at 16 Camp Street, and announces the publication of his 'New Orleans and Environs.'
I argue Mr Norman is basically trying something new or copying something he had seen or heard work in another city either in America or overseas.
This bit from the sellers description sheds a light on the undertaking.
As does this.Despite its promise to publish annually, this is the only publication of the purported series.
So basically neither sold well enough to justify follow up editions of the Business Directory.This is perhaps the rarest New Orleans directory. Benjamin Moore Norman [1809-1860], the son of a Hudson, New York, bookseller, established a book store in New Orleans in 1837 and wrote several works, notably 'New Orleans and its Environs' [Howes N180], which are far better known than this Directory, which is "intended to serve the wants of the mercantile community."
Here is Mr Normans advertisement for his business that appeared in the book about the history of New Orleans. From the project gutenburg link
ADVERTISEMENTS.
JUST PUBLISHED,
BY
B. M. NORMAN,
16 CAMP STREET, NEW ORLEANS.
NORMAN'S
PLAN OF NEW ORLEANS AND ENVIRONS,
A COMPLETE MAP OF THE CITY AND VICINITY, IN POCKET FORM. ALSO, ON CARDS, FOR COUNTING ROOMS AND PUBLIC OFFICES.
NORMAN'S
NEW ORLEANS BUSINESS DIRECTORY,
For 1845-6.
Containing the names, residences and occupations of Merchants and Bankers, Mechanics and Professional men. Classed and arranged alphabetically.
[Pg 226]
NEW AND IMPROVED STOCK,
PRICES REDUCED.
NORMAN'S
BOOK, STATIONERY, PRINTING
AND
BINDING-ESTABLISHMENT,
No. 16
CAMP STREET, NEW ORLEANS.
[Pg 227]
BOOKS,
Comprising the works of the best standard authors in the various departments of literature,
ANCIENT AND MODERN.
CHEAP PUBLICATIONS,
AT PUBLISHERS' PRICES.
SCHOOL BOOKS.
Bibles, Prayer Books, Psalm and Hymn Books.
ANNUALS,
PICTORIAL AND EMBELLISHED WORKS.
CHILDREN'S BOOKS.
MAPS, GUIDE BOOKS,
AND OTHER WORKS FOR TRAVELLERS.
CITY AND COUNTRY DEALERS SUPPLIED,
Also Public and Private Libraries, at Publishers' Prices.
LITERARY GENTLEMEN, TEACHERS AND THE PUBLIC ARE MOST RESPECTFULLY INVITED TO VISIT THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
[Pg 228]
STATIONERY,
Consisting of the most approved kinds; adapted to the use of
COUNTING ROOMS AND PUBLIC OFFICES.
BLANK BOOKS,
OF THE MOST APPROVED MANUFACTURE, WITH RECENT IMPROVEMENTS, AND REDUCTION OF PRICES.
WARRANTED SUPERIOR.
All descriptions of ACCOUNT BOOKS made to order.
PAPER AND CARDS.
Custom House and Commercial Blanks.
ARTIST'S MATERIALS.
MERCHANTS', STEAMBOATS' and other CLERKS, ARE RESPECTFULLY INVITED TO CALL AND EXAMINE THE COMPLETE ASSORTMENT.
I note Mr Norman styles himself as Publisher. He makes no claim to be the author of the work although the project gutenburg transcriber puts his name against the author label.
PUBLISHED BY B. M. NORMAN.
DEDICATED TO THE CITIZENS OF NEW ORLEANS,
WITH
True Sentiments of Respect,
BY THEIR
HUMBLE SERVANT.
The Publisher.
The reason why he cannot claim to be the author is given in his preface. Bolding is mine.
To several gentlemen, who have kindly aided the publisher in gathering materials for the work, he would here express his grateful acknowledgements. For the historical facts embodied in the volume, he is indebted to several works on the history of Louisiana, and the discovery and early settlement of our country.
So he or some other gentleman copied bits from "several works of history" that went uncredited. Whether it was lifted word for word or just interpreted so too speak is unknown. The titles of the works and in turn their authors name are equally unknown, sadly as they would be well worth a read.
Mr Norman lived in New York prior to 1837
From here Benjamin Moore NormanNORMAN, Benjamin Moore, author, born in Hudson, New York, 22 December, 1809; died near Summit, Mississippi, 1 February, 1860. After the death of his father, a bookseller at Hudson, he left a clerkship in New York to take charge of the business, and he was subsequently engaged in bookselling in Philadelphia, and in 1837 established a book-store in New Orleans. He was conspicuous for his philanthropy in the epidemic of yellow fever in New Orleans in 1841. He is the author of "Rambles in Yucatan" (New York, 1842) ; "New Orleans and its Environs" (New Orleans, 1845); and "Rambles by Land and Water" (New York, 1845).
His books can be read here Rambles in Yucatan; or, Notes of Travel Through the Peninsula Including a Visit to the Remarkable Ruins of Chi-Chen, Kabah, Zayi, and Uxmal. 2nd ed
And here Rambles by Land and Water; or, Notes of Travel in Cuba and Mexico.
In both Mr Norman is the author of the work.
He himself travelled from New Orleans as evidenced here, on both trips.
And the otherOn the 20th of January, 1844, in company with sixty fellow passengers, I turned my back upon the crescent city, and embarked on board the Steam Ship Alabama, Captain Windle, bound from Now Orleans to Havana. Many of our number, like myself, were in pursuit of health and pleasure, some were braving the dangers and enduring the privations of the passage, for the purpose of amassing wealth in the sugar and coffee trade; and others were seeking, what they probably will never find this side the grave, a happier home than the one they were leaving behind them.
It was at the conclusion of the long and frightful season of epidemic disease, which caused many a desolated home in New Orleans to be hung with cypress during the summer of the year 1841, and on the 26th day of November, that I embarked from the Crescent city for Havana. My original intention had been, to visit the Windward Islands; but, not finding the facilities of intercommunication which I had anticipated, and excited by the curiosity of seeing a region of country of which but little is known to citizens of the United States, I was induced to change my contemplated route. Accordingly, after a detention of ten days in Cuba, where I had passed some of the happiest days of my youth, I resolved to embrace the first opportunity that presented itself to run down to the coast of Mexico. I was soon enabled to secure a passage on board of a Spanish brig bound to Sisal, of which I was prompt to avail myself.
These two books will I feel give a great insight into Mr Normans way of looking at his world and may shed light on which bits of the Norman’s New Orleans and Environs book, if any, he wrote.
As for the claims frostychud makes about this man and the content of the book he published its up to you, dear reader, to decide for yourself if they are valid.
Edit to add.
I have just begun reading
Rambles by Land and Water; or, Notes of Travel in Cuba and Mexico
Its golden. He describes so much that sheds light on his world that official academia ignores. There will be quotes added in for sure.
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