SH Archive Can you answer five questions asked by Mark Sargent?

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Username: Isishoax
Date: 2018-10-08 15:13:00
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MARK SARGENT IS A GATEKEEPER HE HAS BEEN OUTED


He will not tell you who created the Ball earth NASA lies...

ERIC DUBAY will

 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-10-08 16:43:18
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Is he Hebrew or is he Jewish? They're not necessarily the same. Is he Ashkanazi Jew, Hasidic Jew, Orthodox Jew, Reconstructionist Jew, Pharisee Jew?
I'm not sure what the differences are in all those different types of Jews but we've seen the dangers of blaming one group or another for all the worlds ills. Just thought I'd throw that out there before we got too far into the discussion.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-10-08 17:14:22
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This “paid subscription” thing sounds like a totally diferent issue to me. I have a few thought to share on the topic, but not in this threads.

OP contained specific geo/scientific questions asked. It appears pretty irrelevant who asked them, Mark or Joe or Amanda.
 
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Username: Isishoax
Date: 2018-10-08 18:24:37
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Not sure ?
 
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Username: Casimir
Date: 2018-10-08 21:53:51
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Let's remember mainstream science maintains earth is not perfectly round, its not a globe- its a goofy shaped rock like all the others floating around out there (maybe the formation of heavenly bodies and the science behind accretion would be a good post topic itself). Therefore plugging numbers into simple mathematical formulae ""The mainstream science formula for the curvature of the earth is 8 inches/mile squared " is not proving anything and seem to be more of a straw-man argument. What sort of truth this guy, useful idiot / in-on-the-agenda or not, is distracting from is my question.

Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round.

Edit: While I'm chiming in, for the second question about the nature of vacuums, remember that the standard model of physics maintains the universe itself is constantly expanding and there are still debates on what dark energy and matter are in general. I don't know if a "true" vacuum is even physically possible. If there are fluctuations of anything in any medium in any way, that doesn't sound like its actually a vacuum to me. Sounds like we are not capable of measuring all that is there.

The Casimir Effect


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Username: LordAverage
Date: 2018-10-09 11:48:06
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and I wonder why every "model" that shows the earth isn't supposedly round but a rough ball is very different in shape. Every single pic is fairly different in where the bumps and mounds are.
 
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Username: Casimir
Date: 2018-10-09 14:29:22
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Wow, I posted those pictures of the actual shape and never even thought of the classic photos of the earth. I mean, I can see how with the oceans and atmosphere it might round out our oblong ball a bit but not those perfect circles. Maybe I don't know enough about optics/geology but it seems a bit of a stretch to go from our shape to the perfect circle picture ones.

The different shapes in the models are people accounting for certain factors differently in calculations. Like the more dense parts of the crust apparently would "sling out" of the puddy-esque crust as the earth spins and spins. Then tectonic plates move changing all that and there's tides etc.

The picture on the left is sans water apparently. Atmosphere and water seem to really fill it out into that VERY picture perfect circle.

Edit: having trouble sizing pictures so they are not gigantic- oops

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You can only find diagrams, no actual pictures of tides changing the overall shape of the earth either. Science maintains 71% of the earths surface is covered in water. Of that 71%, ocean water is 97% so that's a lot of surface its covering on the planet. Again, layman's perspective but it really seems 71% of the coverage of the earth is moved about by the moon those perfect circles of the pictures seem like they would have some sort of noticeable contortion relative to the tides.

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Username: MeNTaLMoNKeY
Date: 2018-10-10 23:45:28
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I agree that if the earth wasn't completely round, and if those pictures of the earth from space are indeed real, that we'd see some sort of misshapen attributes or a bulge where the oceans are supposedly being pulled, etc. Especially when you factor in the images of moon from earlier in this thread. Looking at the edge of the moon you can see craters and such, and the edge is clearly jagged where those craters exist. You should certainly be able to see this reflected in the images of earth as well, more-so if the earth isn't a perfect sphere, but you can't even see mountains protruding from the earth on those pictures from "space."
 
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Username: asatiger1966
Date: 2018-10-13 09:14:31
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Research by Harvard, Yale and a few other main stream schools have concluded after checking the DNA of people in Israel . That only 5% are direct descendants of Judea. The rest are Europeans practicing the Jewish religion in one form or another. Also confirmed is there is no such thing as a Jewish gene.
It is a religion not a race.
My only input relates to Naval gunfire and land artillery. To fire a projectile a long distance, the curvature of the earth is calculated into the equation. When calling a strike from a US Cruiser the sequence goes like this: coordinates are entered into the computer then you hear: "round on the way wait" maximum ordinate 50,000 feet, You acknowledge, then "splash wait" You acknowledge, and pray ,the shell is screeching, sounding like a boxcar coming in sideways. It hits then you say "splash over"
Then you adjust and start over.

 
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Username: Npcghost
Date: 2018-12-30 06:19:38
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For me its quite simple: if at sea level a ship disappears over the horizon due to curvature but I can 'pull' it back and see the entire ship with a zoom or telescope and can continue watching it for several minutes moving away from me, then I can conclude that the distance I'm observing to that ship is entirely flat. This has been observed and tested. So if the ocean isnt curved then the earth isn't either. This 1st person observational fact is difficult to dispute. As is the physics of water. It will always find its level.
 
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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2018-12-30 08:37:21
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I dont find the topic of flat or round all that important compared to everything else to spend much time/energy reconsidering it or trying to answer the 5 questions. I realize that nearly everything is a lie but still dont just automatically assume everything is.
is this your firsthand experience? I have mine with observing a solar eclipse and timing and Im content with round but I will be sure to try this next time Im out on the high sea. my mind is always subject to change with experience and that might do it!
 
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Username: Npcghost
Date: 2018-12-30 08:49:46
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Many anomalies, with current cosmonology and physics, I subscribe to simulation/holographic universe theory, so for me it's just a thought experiment..
 
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Username: Verity
Date: 2018-12-30 09:52:08
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This made me think of the recent ideas on gravity being sort of like Darwinism, ie. a runaway theory given fact status in modern education. There was a competing idea on static electricity/electro-magnetism which kept our atmosphere balanced around- and our little buzzing bodies stuck firmly to- terra firma.
Sadly, that is the extent of my knowledge on the subject. :/
 
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Username: TH Dialectic
Date: 2018-12-30 10:52:03
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Hi Korben,

I hold no real level of academic certificate regarding any of my knowledge other than college, just hard work and a true passion for the truth.

IMHO you don't need anyone of academic hierarchy to confirm anything as they are so far detached from the actual truth that you end up in a battle of mathematical mental gymnastics. Astrophysasists and all alike hold nothing but pure belief based mathematical assumptions to prove any of their claims.

Let's start with Mathematics as a whole, it's a formal language, a descriptor. You can be lied to in multiple languages Spanish, English and Mathematics it doesn't prove anything.

You don't need a P900 to verify for yourself, we have been blessed with 5 senses.

Let's imagine standing on a beautiful beach, you can see the horizon shoulder the shoulder, you are probably observing around 40 miles give or take 5 /10 miles or horizon line. Now using some 5th year mathematics you can work out the supposed curve.....

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40 miles = 1000ft (roughly) of curvature, would this not be easily observable on the perfectly flat horizon?

These axioms and assumptions are not observable anywhere EVER. Surely we would be able to see the above in our objective world?

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The reason they always use the opposite axis for calculating curvature is due to the way we perceive things in the natural world. Our eye is spherical so they way we see things is always the same. Its our perspective everything converges in to a single point "the vanishing point"

If you and I were in a field facing each other and I was to walk backwards I would appear to be getting smaller in height until I disappeared, this isn't due to me walking over the magical curve, its due to the way our eye works, I would compress smaller and smaller until I wasn't visible to the naked eye. but guess what whip out your P900 and I would appear again in full shot. This again isn't due to refraction, that's absolute mumbo jumbo, light only refracts through different mediums, light doesn't refract around a spherical spinning earth.

Not a single person has every witnessed the magical curve, even head honcho NASA shill Neil deGrasse Tyson says you can't see it in commercial airline because we are not high enough. Anyone stating they have seen the curve have more than likely seen the convexed airplane windows starting to contort their view.

We know that water can't support its own weight, it's been used all through history as a form of measurment.

“The upper surface of a fluid at rest is a horizontal plane. Because if a part of the surface were higher than the rest, those parts of the fluid which were under it would exert a greater pressure upon the surrounding parts than they receive from them, so that motion would take place amongst the particles and continue until there were none at a higher level than the rest, that is, until the upper surface of the whole mass of fluid became a horizontal plane.”
W.T. Lynn, “First Principles of Natural Philosophy”

There should be nearly 2 miles of curved water between the photographer and Mt. McKinley here:


It is part of the natural physics of water and other fluids to always find their level and remain flat. If disturbed in any way, motion ensues until the flat level is resumed. If dammed up then released, the nature of all liquids is to quickly flood outwards taking the easiest course towards finding its new level.

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“A boat, with a flag-staff, the top of the flag 5 feet above the surface of the water, was directed to sail from a place called ‘Welche's Dam’ (a well-known ferry passage), to another called ‘Welney Bridge.’ These two points are six statute miles apart. The author, with a good telescope, went into the water; and with the eye about 8 inches above the surface, observed the receding boat during the whole period required to sail to Welney Bridge. The flag and the boat were distinctly visible throughout the whole distance! There could be no mistake as to the distance passed over, as the man in charge of the boat had instructions to lift one of his oars to the top of the arch the moment he reached the bridge. The experiment commenced about three o'clock in the afternoon of a summer's day, and the sun was shining brightly and nearly behind or against the boat during the whole of its passage. Every necessary condition had been fulfilled, and the result was to the last degree definite and satisfactory. The conclusion was unavoidable that the surface of the water for a length of six miles did not to any appreciable extent decline or curvate downwards from the line of sight. But if the earth is a globe, the surface of the six miles length of water would have been 6 feet higher in the centre than at the two extremities. From this experiment it follows that the surface of standing water is not convex, and therefore that the Earth is not a globe! On the contrary, this simple experiment is all-sufficient to prove that the surface of the water is parallel to the line-of-sight, and is therefore horizontal, and that the Earth cannot be other than a plane!”

Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe! An Experimental Inquiry into the True Figure of the Earth: Proving it a Plane, Without Axial or Orbital Motion; and the Only Material World in The Universe!”

Every architect / engineer has always used ucleadian plane geometry, working on the assumption of a flat stationary plane.

One surveyor, Mr. T. Westwood, wrote into the January, 1896 “Earth Review” magazine stating that, “In leveling, I work from Ordinance marks, or canal levels, to get the height above sea level. The puzzle to me used to be, that over several miles each level was and is treated throughout its whole length as the same level from end to end; not the least allowance being made for curvature. One of the civil engineers in this district, after some amount of argument on each side as to the reason why no allowance for curvature was made, said he did not believe anybody would know the shape of the earth in this life.”

“The distance between the Red Sea at Suez and the Mediterranean Sea is 100 statute miles, the datum line of the Canal being 26 feet below the level of the Mediterranean, and is continued horizontally the whole way from sea to sea, there not being a single lock on the Canal, the surface of the water being parallel with the datum line. It is thus clear that there is no curvature or globularity for the whole hundred miles between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea; had there been, according to the Astronomic theory, the middle of the Canal would have been 1,666 feet higher than at either end, whereas the Canal is perfectly horizontal for the whole distance. The Great Canal of China, said to be 700 miles in length, was made without regard to any allowance for supposed curvature, as the Chinese believe the Earth to be a Stationary Plane. I may also add that no allowance was made for it in the North Sea Canal, or in the Manchester Ship Canal, both recently constructed, thus clearly proving that there is no globularity in Earth or Sea, so that the world cannot possibly be a Planet.”
David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma”

“If the earth be the globe of popular belief, it is very evident that in cutting a canal, an allowance must be made for the curvature of the globe, which allowance would correspond to the square of the distance multiplied by eight inches. From The Age, of 5th August 1892, I extract the following: ‘The German Emperor performed the ceremony of opening the Gates of the Baltic and North Sea Canal, in the spring of 1891. The canal starts at Holtenau, on the south side of Kiel Bay, and joins the Elbe 15 miles above its mouth. It is 61 miles long, 200 feet wide at the surface and 85 feet at the bottom, the depth being 28 feet. No locks are required, as the surface of the two seas is level.’ Let those who believe it is the practice for surveyors to make allowance for ‘curvature’ ponder over the following from the Manchester Ship Canal Company (Earth Review, October, 1893) ‘It is customary in Railway and Canal constructions for all levels to be referred to a datum which is nominally horizontal and is so shown on all sections. It is not the practice in laying out Public Works to make allowances for the curvature of the earth.”
Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny”

Never let magical gravity fool you either, most globe enthusiasts are quick to spurt out GRAVITY, but are put on threir heels when quizzed what THEORY of gravity they are referring to? Newtonian or Einsteins theory of the bending of space time? Absolute utter hogwash, how can gravity hold a 100 tonne ship to the bottom of the globe yet it doesn't slam a teenagers quiff to their forehead? Does gravity have the ability to consciously decide what it holds down?

ITS ALL THEORY. We need to snap out of this lie being fed at every opportunity and use our logical minds to understand what is real and what is fake. If we can stick to the above observable, demonstrable proofs and facts of reality the globe holds no weight what so ever. Don't ever let cunning sophists twist words and use "mathemagic" STICK TO WHAT IS REAL.

I would like to thank everyone for their input on all threads it really has opened my eyes to a whole new world, I have spent that last 2 weeks reading through 90% of the threads. Its so nice to see so many logicians at work. Anyway, I look forward to speaking with a few more guys soon.

A massive thank you to Korben also!

Thanks again
TH
 
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Username: freezetime26
Date: 2018-12-30 12:40:09
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I think we should do a thread for gravity appart, there are a lot of mysteries around it. For example, how earth´s gravity is strong enough to attract the moon but is light enough for mosquitoes, birds, butterflies,etc to fly? the same goes for helium ballons, how they are capable of defy the laws of gravity? If gravity is the bend of space time by objects of great mass, how it doesnt attract the helium ballon?. Common sense tells me that this "Universe" forged by the mathematicians and physicists wouldnt be good for life, its chaos itself, a "Secular" religion.
Edit: If someone in this forum is a physicist feel free to correct me.
 
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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2018-12-30 14:22:25
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These images/ videos are out of focus, it is that simple really. This is an effect you get when not focusing correctly on the object. I photograph (it is very difficult to get right) the stars and planets most weeks, and they do not look like this when focused. To be fair, it is not an easy mistake to make, which makes me believe this is misinformation being peddled by the youtubers.

Attached is a in focus image of 3 planets (collage) taken with my 5 Inch scope and a Canon 5d slr. Through the scope they appear clear as day, difficult to photograph them as such within the margins of the camera tech I have available. Scope/ Camera/ Shutter shake, although minimised makes pin sharp images impossible.

I am not convinced of what the moon or planets are, but I would say that just because something appears to be a sphere, doesn't mean that it is. Optical illusions are all around us.

One of my images of the moon is also attached, 300mm lens on a canon 5d dslr.

Also, a short video of Mars, on a 5inch scope and canon 5d dslr. This has a 2x magnification to enable a slightly better view.


I would love to be able to get closer...

 
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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2018-12-30 17:45:45
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Why not do a Patreon project for a microsatellite? The satellite contains a camera to record the shape of the Earth at whatever altitude you want. What would that altitude be? This Forum could kick it off. If proof of curvature is the goal just crowd fund it.
 
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Username: TH Dialectic
Date: 2018-12-30 18:50:17
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A few guys have done this already, assuming they haven't used a GoPro or other fish eye lens, the horizon never falls away. On a spherical ball as we ascend the horizon would gradually fall away from us in every direction. This never happens, the horizon always rises to the eye level of the beholder.

Although it would be pretty awesome to actually do the experiment for ourselves!

TH
Interesting video but I don't think looking at lights in the sky will give us any understanding of what we are living on. Obviously the lights in the sky serve a purpose, who knows what that is? Maybe we are just not supposed to know.

Its like sitting on your living room sofa, looking at the lights and making an assumption of what the shape of the room is. Seems a little silly to me.

Although I would love to get a P900 to observe the moon, looks absolutely stunning! We need to stick to the questions the so called scientists can't answer.

We live in pressure, air pressure. How can we coincide a vacuum without any form of solid separation. This is not demonstrable in our objective world. Opposing pressure systems will always seek out equilibrium.

Water doesn't have the ability to bend, it will always flow and run until it finds level.

The naked eye cant discern what is a 2D sphere or a 3 ball, it's impossible. This is why we must stick to obeservable, demonstrable, repeatable truths.

Loving the input guys, really nice to see so many people free from ego and willing to learn.

Thanks again.

TH
 
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