Collecting Historical clues for calendar manipulation

[dreamtime]

I want to use this thread to collect examples supporting the idea that the church added 1,000 years to the official chronology. They probably did this by adding a "1" in front of dates during the Gregorian Calendar reform. Before that, people used an "i", which probably meant "Jesus" or "Year".

Every now and then I come across something that doesn't prove this forgery, but could be used as indirect evidence or a hint.

Generally we will need to collect data systematically in order to understand this issue better. Beyond sending Western Rome 1000 years back, there is no conclusive evidence yet for recently added 1,000 years.

An argument against the change from Julian to Gregorian calendar being accompanied by added 1,000 years is that some countries still had the Julian calender until the 20th Century, and the inhabitants would remember added years. There's lots of evidene that the Church and Christianity is made 1,000 years older than it actually is, and Jesus lived around 1,000 years ago. If that's the case, they had to change the calendar and add up to 1,000 years. If the Gregorian calendar was not used for this, maybe the Julian was.

There are two issues I think, that need to be seperated:

1. duplicates in history between antiquity and the Middle Ages, to invent the history of antiquity, which sometimes are seperated by 1,000 years due to Western Rome being backdated 1,000 years.
2. the possibility that the calendar was manipulated, for example by adding 1,000 years to the timeline

The first issue is pretty easy to find arguments for. The second issue is a bit more complicated. The phantom time hypothesis by Illig, for example, suggests that only 297 years have been added:

Illig's claims include that at the time of the introduction of the Gregorian calendar in AD 1582, there should have been a discrepancy of thirteen days between the Julian calendar and the real (or tropical) calendar, when the astronomers and mathematicians working for Pope Gregory XIII had found that the civil calendar needed to be adjusted by only ten days. From this, Illig concludes that the AD era had counted roughly three centuries which never existed.

A german website gives evidence in support of the 297 years:

One of the last works in the series "Edition frühes Mittelalter" was written by K. Weissgerber and deals with the land seizure of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin. In addition to the archaeological evidence, even the written sources here clearly speak for the thesis. Thus contemporary sources date the land seizure once into the year 600 A.D., another time into the year 898 A.D., which corresponds thus to a difference of 298 years. Conventional research must attribute this to the stupidity of early medieval historians - or it simply ignores the problem. With the phantom period thesis, on the other hand, the discrepancy can be easily explained.

Fomenko only mentions shifts of events, not a calendar change. He discovered 3 different shifts:

More precisely, A. T. Fomenko discovered three important chronological shifts, by about 333 years, 1053 years and 1800 years

If no one added 1,000 years to the calendar, another possibility is that the Julian calendar itself was just created out of thin air and imposed on the previous calendars. So the church at one point simply said "Jesus died xxx years ago, and that's why we live in the year xxx", and people believed it. But this could only happen once the memories of the biblical times were already gone. And if the events of the Bible happened 500-1000 years ago, the church could have only introduced the new dating system sometime after - between 1500 and 1600, for example. Then some time later they realized that the Julian calendar had several issues and introduced an updated version - The Gregorian calendar. This probably happened within a few generations.

Clues for added 1,000 years:

1) Today I came across this example in the Plague thread:

Care must be taken with fixed dates. The Gregorian calendar used today was proposed as a replacement for the Julian calendar in 1582, but adoption occurred at different times and with different levels of success in the Celtic countries. France, including Brittany (Breizh), adopted the reform in the 1580s, Scotland in 1600, England (and thence Cornwall [Kernow], Ireland, and Wales [Cymru]) in 1752, and the Isle of Man (Ellan Vannin) in 1753. This meant there was a ten-day discrepancy between England and Scotland for 100 years, and eleven after that time. Many festivals are still celebrated according to the ‘old calendar’, so that, for example, Samain customs sometimes take place on 1 November, but these may have become Martinmas customs. Calendar customs can also shift between nearby holidays, so that many New Year’s customs have become associated with Christmas, and newer festivals such as Guy Fawkes Day may have incorporated some customs previously associated with Samain/Calan Gaeaf. Many individual dates were celebrated or otherwise marked, notably saints’ days. Martyrologies (a catalogue of martyrs and saints arranged by date) such as Félire Óengusso Céli Dé (The martyrology of Oengus Céile Dé) and issues such as the Easter controversy show an acute awareness of the calendar.

Aldhelm, the Anglo-Saxon bishop of Sherborne, visited Cornwall in about 700 and wrote a letter to Gerontius (Gerent), the king of the region, urging him and his clergy to adopt the Roman calendar.

Although the Julian and Gregorian calendars have been used throughout the Celtic countries, there is some evidence that at least some of the month words found in Old Irish were applied to periods at variance with the ordinary calendar by nearly a fortnight.

- Koch, John T., Celtic Culture: A Historical Encyclopedia.

The bishop visited Cornwall in around 700 to convince the king to adopt the Roman calendar (probably the Julian calendar, but maybe it's not that easy), and 1052 later it adopts the Gregorian one.

2) Another thing I just came across is the history of the Patricians.

Patrician (ancient Rome) - Wikipedia
Patrician (post-Roman Europe) - Wikipedia

Patricians were the most powerful class in ancient Rome, and the name Patrician survived into the Middle Ages, and still described the ruling class of a city.

The ancient Patricians, it is said, disappeared between 0-100 CE, and appeared again in the 11th or 12th Century in Europe, so exactly 1,000 years later. In the Byzantine Empire, the title was in use 1,000 years longer than in Western Rome.

3) A coin showing the two numbers "1" differently

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4) The Shroud of Turin has been carbon dated to 1260 and 1390, suggesting that Jesus lived roughly 1,000 years later than claimed

Fomenko ...

"claims that the historical Jesus was born in Cape Fiolent, Crimea, on December 25, 1152 A.D. and was crucified on March 20, 1185 A.D., on Joshua's Hill, overlooking the Bosphorus."

He associates initially the Star of Bethlehem with the AD 1140 (±20) supernova (now Crab Nebula) and the Crucifixion Eclipse with the total solar eclipse of May 1, AD 1185. He also believes that Crab Nebula supernova could not have been seen in AD 1054, but probably in AD 1153. He doubts the veracity of ancient Chinese astronomical data.

(New chronology (Fomenko) - Wikipedia)

Which overlaps more or less with the Shroud of Turin findings (considering that carbon dating has a significant margin of error).

5) Fomenko dates the Book of Revelation to 1486, roughly 1,000 - 1500 years later than currently accepted:

Historicist interpretations see Revelation as containing a broad view of history while preterist interpretations treat Revelation as mostly referring to the events of the Apostolic Age (1st century), or, at the latest, the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century.

 

[Safranek]

Some examples can be found in this previous post of mine containing a French video (2 parts) and a Russian channel (many videos questioning chronology with examples).

Both need subtitles turned on but there is a lot of pertinent research in them which needs to be summarized by someone with time on their hands and interest in the subject.

New 10-Part Tartaria/Old World YouTube Docu-style series inspired by Unsolved Mysteries-style story telling and emotion

 

[Quiahuitl]

I came away from high school 40 years ago thinking there was 1000 years missing. I'm speaking of English history. We have a ton of information about the Roman era then there is hardly anything up until the 1500s when we get Copernicus, Columbus etc. There are literal dark ages of centuries with no records.

I actually saw a building dated in Roman numerals without the leading 'M' back in the day and asked my parents about it. Why is that building dated 700 something?

The theory that a thousand years has been added into the timeline makes a lot of sense to me. For example, the Roman invasion of 43AD is the same event as the Norman invasion of 1066.

The Romans pulled out by 409. The conventional narrative says it took over a thousand years for the English monarch to seize the assets of the Roman Catholic church - Henry 8th 1509-1547. Doesn't it make more sense that these two events were within a generation?

There are plenty of stories about a Jesus like figure appearing in America a thousand years ago.

The conventional narrative says Latin was spoken in Rome up until around 300 then it morphed into 'Pig Latin' from which modern Spanish and Italian are derived. Yet Latin was used by all the elites up until fairly recently. How likely is it that a language would survive for one and a half thousand years being spoken only by a few?

 

[dreamtime]

up until around 300 then it morphed into 'Pig Latin'

Pig Latin seems to be not related to Latin. Did you maybe mean New Latin?

Late Latin - Wikipedia
New Latin - Wikipedia

Late Latin disappeared around 500, and New Latin appeared in the 15th century, so 1,000 years in between.

 

[Quiahuitl]

From the wiki link in your post -
Vulgar Latin, also known as Popular or Colloquial Latin, is the range of non-formal registers of Latin spoken from the Late Roman Republic onward.[1] Through time, Vulgar Latin would evolve into numerous Romance languages. Its literary counterpart was a form of either Classical Latin or Late Latin, depending on the time period.

My understanding is that 'Pig Latin' and 'Vulgar Latin' are the same thing.
My Spanish teacher says she has no problems communicating with Italians and Portuguese people, that's how similar those languages are.

Modern French is essentially two languages - the written form has similar grammar to Spanish, broadly speaking, but the spoken form is very different. I mention this because the wiki quote alludes to a disparity between written and spoken forms.

 

[scofield.htm]

interesting link with the 1000 years of peace here:


View: https://youtu.be/WCzWJcDzoJ4

 

[Lightseeker]

interesting link with the 1000 years of peace here:


View: https://youtu.be/WCzWJcDzoJ4

Isn't most of this just speculation?

 

[PuzzleBear]

maybe THEY didn't ADD 1000 years when implementing the Gregorian calendar system, but DEDUCTED around +/- 1160 years from the former AB V. C. counting ? Whatever ANNO AB V.C. really stands for !

The astronomical clock at Padua still depicts today in roman numbers the year 2730 (at least 2730 but could be up to year 2749)

see here and here​

 

[TuranSilvanus]

330 Contantinople founded // Atila is born [in hung. chr. said lived 123/4/5 years o if died in 453 = 330/29/38]; + 1000 = 1453 C-nople ''dies'' [?] and the bigges hungarian warlord named Huny-adi also dies 1456 Belgrade; and also They put the end of Silk Road to ''1450s''

 

[Nick Weech]

I want to use this thread to collect examples supporting the idea that the church added 1,000 years to the official chronology. They probably did this by adding a "1" in front of dates during the Gregorian Calendar reform. Before that, people used an "i", which probably meant "Jesus" or "Year".

Every now and then I come across something that doesn't prove this forgery, but could be used as indirect evidence or a hint.

Generally we will need to collect data systematically in order to understand this issue better. Beyond sending Western Rome 1000 years back, there is no conclusive evidence yet for recently added 1,000 years.

An argument against the change from Julian to Gregorian calendar being accompanied by added 1,000 years is that some countries still had the Julian calender until the 20th Century, and the inhabitants would remember added years. There's lots of evidene that the Church and Christianity is made 1,000 years older than it actually is, and Jesus lived around 1,000 years ago. If that's the case, they had to change the calendar and add up to 1,000 years. If the Gregorian calendar was not used for this, maybe the Julian was.

There are two issues I think, that need to be seperated:

1. duplicates in history between antiquity and the Middle Ages, to invent the history of antiquity, which sometimes are seperated by 1,000 years due to Western Rome being backdated 1,000 years.
2. the possibility that the calendar was manipulated, for example by adding 1,000 years to the timeline

The first issue is pretty easy to find arguments for. The second issue is a bit more complicated. The phantom time hypothesis by Illig, for example, suggests that only 297 years have been added:



A german website gives evidence in support of the 297 years:



Fomenko only mentions shifts of events, not a calendar change. He discovered 3 different shifts:



If no one added 1,000 years to the calendar, another possibility is that the Julian calendar itself was just created out of thin air and imposed on the previous calendars. So the church at one point simply said "Jesus died xxx years ago, and that's why we live in the year xxx", and people believed it. But this could only happen once the memories of the biblical times were already gone. And if the events of the Bible happened 500-1000 years ago, the church could have only introduced the new dating system sometime after - between 1500 and 1600, for example. Then some time later they realized that the Julian calendar had several issues and introduced an updated version - The Gregorian calendar. This probably happened within a few generations.

Clues for added 1,000 years:

1) Today I came across this example in the Plague thread:




- Koch, John T., Celtic Culture: A Historical Encyclopedia.

The bishop visited Cornwall in around 700 to convince the king to adopt the Roman calendar (probably the Julian calendar, but maybe it's not that easy), and 1052 later it adopts the Gregorian one.

2) Another thing I just came across is the history of the Patricians.

Patrician (ancient Rome) - Wikipedia
Patrician (post-Roman Europe) - Wikipedia

Patricians were the most powerful class in ancient Rome, and the name Patrician survived into the Middle Ages, and still described the ruling class of a city.

The ancient Patricians, it is said, disappeared between 0-100 CE, and appeared again in the 11th or 12th Century in Europe, so exactly 1,000 years later. In the Byzantine Empire, the title was in use 1,000 years longer than in Western Rome.

3) A coin showing the two numbers "1" differently

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4) The Shroud of Turin has been carbon dated to 1260 and 1390, suggesting that Jesus lived roughly 1,000 years later than claimed

Fomenko ...



(New chronology (Fomenko) - Wikipedia)

Which overlaps more or less with the Shroud of Turin findings (considering that carbon dating has a significant margin of error).

5) Fomenko dates the Book of Revelation to 1486, roughly 1,000 - 1500 years later than currently accepted:

"Martyrologies (a catalogue of martyrs and saints arranged by date) such as Félire Óengusso Céli Dé (The martyrology of Oengus Céile Dé) and issues such as the Easter controversy show an acute awareness of the calendar. "
Uwe Topper did some work on this towards the last chapter of his book The Great Action (2000) P 262 onwards.

Bollandist - Wikipedia
" The Bollandist Society is the only institution dedicated exclusively to the critical study of hagiography"

Uwe ends on a depressing note:
"Today the invented view of the History of the 1st millennium of the Church stands so rock solid in the academies, that even atheists swear by it. This also means that it is impossible to find the 'actual History of the European area' before the year 1000."

 

[dreamtime]

I just realized that this needs to be seperated. The time shift has lots of support, and there are probably countless examples of a copied event with 1,000 year difference.

What I am really interested in, and what needs further study, is the calendar itself, and how and when it got changed and to what extent. The history of the Julian and the Gregorian calendar, for example, and possible inconsistencies. There were widespread protests when the Gregorian calendar arrived, it took hundreds of years to get all countries on board. Russia was very late with this. If the Gregorian calendar received so much resistance, what about the Julian one? Especially at a time when half of the world was against the Catholics. Something doesn't add up here.

The Julian calendar came from Caesar. All of this antiquity stuff likely happened around 1,000 years ago, not 2,000. Caesar lived when Jesus lived, roughly. So let's assume this Julian calendar was introduced around 1,000 years ago. Maybe a bit later. Let's say 700-1000 years ago.

A couple hundred years later they needed an update for this and introduced the updated Gregorian calendar. The problem was that "the Julian calendar gained a day every 128 years. By 1582, 21 March was ten days out of alignment with the March equinox, the date where it supposedly had been in 325, the year of the Council of Nicaea."

Can anyone really know where the March eqionox really was when they introduced the Julian calendar? Did they simply calculate the eqinox in the year of the Council based on the official history? Or maybe a cataclysm changed some alignment and thats why everything was 10 day out of sync despite a shorter time between Julian and Gregorian? I don't know much about calendars, but it seems to me that the 10-day difference between Julian and Gregorian does not prove anything at all when it comes to how much time passed since the Julian calendar got introduced. Since 21 March could have been an arbitrary date for the eqinox, or a cataclysm changed so much in the sky that the old calendar was no longer functional.

Things like the Shroud of Turin suggest that we do not live in the year 2022 after Christ, but more like 1022. Of course, as @PuzzleBear has shown, its not about the absolute numbers, but about the question what kind of calendar was used before.

I changed the title of the thread from 'Collecting Historical clues for added 1,000 years in chronology" to the current one.

 

[PuzzleBear]

The roman calendar day numbering was in use until the implementation of the Gregorian calendar. That is a bizarre story, because THEY even lie about the year it started. 1579, not 1582.

Every then and when I stumble upon the roman day numbering style in old books or like right now on a memorial tablet, concerning the eruption of the Vesuvio, not sure yet if it relates to Pompeii, because that eruption happened in 1567. But the article deals with Pompeii. A recent construction, btw.

Here are memorial tables, epitaphs and this one was allegedly written in 1635 and concerns an eruption of the Vesuvio 68 years prior. [who really knows? so much has been forged and created in the 1800s]

There it is noted in the second row:
VIII et LX Post Anno XVII Calendas Januarii
means 68 years after 17 Calendas January = 16 December

Third last row displays the year 1635, written like that before the introduction of M for 1000 and D for 500, thus a very early roman way to note numbers.

Anno di Salvation ... same as Anno Domino or maybe not ?

Source pic
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The author of the article provides a link to a book with transcript and italian translation.

The problem with the counting of years ... that might have been adapted several times, in the way Dionisius did .. " we're now xxx years from that event" and there could have been several .. especially in relation with the Anno Mundi, the date of the creation of the world .. each time with better knowledge of planetary cycles, they recalculated ... and I guess that for long time and until a few generations ago, common people did not know or care about it, this was secret/sacred knowledge of the "CHURCH Fathers".

EDIT to add:

Roman Day numbering in a book, "De Alchimia Opvscvla Complvra Vetervm Philosophorum" allegedly from 1550. source
There is no 1550 to be found in the book, but a roman date and imo this was in use until replacement with the Gregorian calendar.

last 3 rows, Frankfurt Main
Undecimo Calendas Aprilis Anno domini 50
the eleventh day before 1. April

Year 50 of what ? City Empire Francoforti ? or Roman Empire ?

source​

 

[sekito]

I'm not sure whether the ones listed below have been posted in SH before, so I'm just going to list out all the ones I know:

1.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdw9s-_mY20

starting from 1:14:00 of the video, it goes into the document Pfälzischer kleiner Kalender (Pfälzischer kleiner Kalender Auf d. Jahr... enth. Die Geschlechtsverz. Aller in Europa herrschenden Häuser; nebst einer vollständigen Anzeige der Pfälzischen Merkwürdigkeiten : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive), and shows the year of death is off by 1000 from the official history

2.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbH-EigFU6o

3.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7HlPOu0z_4
(Fomenko documentary) - at around 27 min, there are a few examples where the 1000 is “omitted”, there are also examples where there is a clear separation between the I/J and the numbers
Goes into ancient maps, texts, coins and graves

4.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ2q5t6Vp_Y
Evidence based on maps

5. The Fake History of San Francisco
Plaque of Ferry Building in San Francisco had once displayed 896 instead of the current 1896;
not mentioned by the author of the article, you can also see from the photo that the characters: 'A.D. 1' in "ERECTED A.D. 1896" has a thinner depth

6. The Mystery of 1000 years missing from Galleria Umberto
Galleria Umberto once showed "ANNO DCCCXC" instead of the current "MDCCCXC"
edit: I see it’s been brought up before The Mystery of 1000 years Missing from Galleria Umberto
although the opposite conclusion was drawn

7.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCobkxLAm_U

I've brought this up before in the "Interesting videos" thread, at the 3:13 mark, year was written as "I908" not "1908" - this is the latest instance that I know of where I is used in place of 1; of course, I contend this could simply be the way the person writes the number 1, so I’m not saying this is hard proof

8. I'm sure people remember this, but seems no one is bringing it up in this thread
An extra millennium in the Russian archives

9. I’ve looked at some more coins prompted by this, found one from Transylvania

and one from Commonwealth

this other one’s been going round the net

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Sidenote, the I/J can also stand for Julius(Julian), as in Julius Caesar - or some other name lost to history. I think the oft-jumped to conclusion of I=Iesus needs to be avoided.

 

[Iulius_Severus]

Hi, and thanks for creating a thread specifically for this. Here are a few instances of history 'repeating itself' after about 1000 years. I don't claim to have discovered any of these myself; they've all been mentioned here before, and presumably by Fomenko too, but now they're conveniently listed in one place.

- The first crusade (AD 1096) occurs 1030 years after the Roman/Jewish war of the 1st century (AD 66). Conveniently, archaeological evidence for the crusades isn't great. Archaeological evidence for a 1st century Roman presence in Judea isn't fantastic either, but it isn't nonexistent.

- In the famous 'Donation of Constantine', Constantine (4th century AD) transfers authority over the western Roman Empire to the pope; this 'forgery' was "... used, especially in the 13th century, in support of claims of political authority by the papacy."

- Rudolf IV of Austria has a forgery created in 1358 or 1359, known as the Privilegium Maius. "The most remarkable of these forgeries, however, is one supposedly issued by King Henry IV of Germany in 1058; it includes copies of a pair of privileges issued by Julius Caesar and Nero (!) limiting the rights of the Roman Emperors in Austria." I don't doubt that this one is a forgery, but still it's odd that Rudolf IV (AD 1358) would claim that Henry IV (AD 1058) could rule in a particular way because of words written roughly 1000 years earlier. It seems like you would only create a forgery like this if people of the 14th century would have believed that Henry IV and Nero were roughly contemporaneous - within a few centuries, anyway?

- Dionysius Exiguus invents Anno Domini dating in AD 525, which is then 'perfected' by Joseph Scaliger and his disciple, Dionysius Petavius, in the late 1500s to mid 1600s AD.

- In AD 663, Constans II removes the bronze tiles from the Pantheon's roof, then in the 1600s, Pope Urban VIII removes... more of the bronze?

- The western Roman Empire is said to have collapsed in AD 476; things 'go dark' in western Europe for about 1000 years, but then there's remarkable advancement in the 15th century, most notably the 'rediscovery of antiquity' by large numbers of people thanks to the printing press, and the 'discovery of the new world' by Columbus. This isn't impossible to explain with standard chronology, but it's strange that Columbus, after his people had been subjected to the mass illiteracy and depopulation of the dark ages, would be fluent in basically the same Latin used 1000+ years earlier. Remarkable.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Years ago I started (and never ended) a list of entries taken from Fomenko's History, Fiction...
I stopped at 1388 and don't remember to what volume it corresponded.

 

[PuzzleBear]

How can we ever find out what really happened and @ what point in time, if literally everything we are shown or allowed to see has been forged centuries ago? Real astronomical observation and real horoscopes still at their original location could have helped to clarified chronology. But such does not exist!

I wasn’t aware about the very recent construction in the 1800s and 1900s of the „ancient“ ruins all over until recently. As the „ancient“ ruins did not exist, so did the related „Antiquity“ & cultures never exist. It’s all invented !!! Fantasy. Deceptions !

This feels like the creation of stage accessories for a Truman Show!

First HIStory was introduced per tales and myths on paintings, illustrations in books, the early ones pure fantasy, the latter often were the PLANS for the construction. Although plan and finished work sometimes did not match.

Source article​

How could the so-called Napoleonic Commission have had some accurate measures and drawings of those „ancient“ ruins , if they were only dug out of the sand some 40 to 60 years later ?

Planned long time ago and for centuries in advance. Like for the pyramids, they appeared on several paintings, especially myths like „Finding Moses“, „Moses saved from the waters“, „Moses found on the Nile“, …, Madonna and child, … . Allegedly painted end 1500s and in the 1600s, here only a few

Source, article with much more fantasy pyramids on paintings.​

None of the early illustrations presented in books before 1830 matched reality. Because construction was not yet done.

Source article​

In Karnak a fork was among the rubbish used to fill the formwork for the casting of a hardening stone mixture in this column. (It’s the third fork the author found looking at old fotos, but I haven’t found the pics of the other forks yet.)

Source article​

Nothing was hewn in stone, there are no massive stones or granite. Everything was cast in formworks with a hardening stone mixture. Prepared blocks. Here they were in a hurry, did not pay attention when assembling the blocks. Noone would have hewn upside down !

Source article​

This was one of the earlier constructions, the metal rods seem to not yet have contained iron. Iron oxidzes (rust). They bent under the weight of the casted stone mixture.

This was written in the still wet plaster ! The year of construction 1820. Luxor. Probably the responsible architect. Carlo Vidua. Was quite busy in Egypt back then. There are more like Forré, Koch, Jung, … their names with year written in wet plaster.

Many articles listed here, index page,
original written in russian, google translation into english.​

„Ancient“ Egypt et al. „Antiquity“, it‘s obviously a forgery, never really existed. Thus the related astronomical inscriptions or zodiacs like the ones in Dendera etc are fantasy. It can be no other way.

Even if THEY wanted to represent a certain date (like day of discovery or first LANDing or first won battle or first Kingpriest, or …), it would be wrong, unless there would have been a real event and heavenly observation of the planetary positions, which was noted and survived. THEY did not have the possibility to accurately calculate all planetary positions for 1 day some hundred years earlier around 1750 – 1800. That is, imo, the time when these plans of constructions for the egyptian zodiacs were calculated.

That fits also with the Leiden Aratea, where 1779 was one of the years the backdate calculating could have been done for the „ancient“ 579 AD horoscope, which seems to be a composite of 1403 and 1579.

A „Dendera“ search here on sh shows this post, Fomenko dating these zodiacs around 1750.

I haven’t read Fomenkos books yet, just started a few days ago with Volume 3, Chapter12 about the Egyptian Zodiacs. But I googled Anatoly Fomenko. , a wiki page! Books available @ ama zon … Yet that tells me, it is a THEY actor misleading us ! Controlled opposite narrative.

Source​

And now it's 1750 ? Make-believe mythology/fantasy was real, just not that ancient but more recent. Ofc there is also truth to be found in such books, otherwise it would not resonate at all and not attract followers/believers.

For those with eyes to see

Anatoly Fomenko​

Astronomical knowledge, mythologies turned into religions and worship, spread to instill „Fear of the Lord“ and then serving as foundation for THEY power as Kingpriests. When did this start ? Around 1492 ? Or some time earlier? Renaissance means rebirth ! After defeat ? THEY brought knowledge, technology, alchemy, masonry, metallurgy, printing techniques, … since then we live not only under psychological warfare !

Now this is what I meanwhile think might have happened:

Imo, there was no HIStory, no wars, no money system, no politics, no REGIStration, no kings/priests/churches/religions, …., especially no artificial frequencies, ... before THEY (The Hierarchy Enslaving You ) came (per BOAT, Argos Navi), saw and won (step by step).

Imo, this used to be a natural organic realm without „artificial“ electro-technology. It might have been a "waterworld", cities connected per water canals, and everything (people, animals, plants) was still in resonance with the original, natural frequencies. Nature produces in abundance.

THEY came and brought their knowledge and technology, which was inserted publically step by step. Through actors of THEY club or invented „ancient“ characters.

THEY brought electricity, artificial created frequencies, superposed on the original, natural frequencies. These were altered, as were the minds of the inhabitants of this world when THEY started with erecting radio antennae all over and broadcasting. (See Georg Lahkovsky, The Secret of Life. Btw, THEY introduced also cooked food, which caused new „diseases“, as did the introduction of artificial EM frequencies. See Arthur Firstenberg – Invisible rainbow ) [sh-library down?] Maybe THEY were kind of „shortcircuiting“ the original „program“, which could have caused heavy cataclysms ?

Imo, THEY mock us with the „Discovery of the New World“. THEY discovered our world and started to conqueer it. Within a few centuries THEY managed to „run“ (& own) our world. It took some time and wars, but once THEY were able to infiltrate the elected Leader positions (Aristocrats = the best), those became hereditary. Step by step, all over the 4 corners of the Earth THEY introduced they monetary, jewridical, political, economic and educational system into a world that was built and running in harmony with the surrounding NATURAL frequencies.

Everything became DEPENDANT upon THEY system, and for 2 centuries at least THEY controll & own almost all, because THEY could implant the very system (through deceptions) that ALLOWED THEY to do it. Whatever institutions, administrations, ... etc were created, it was always only for THEY (not us).

Teasing us with industrial, technological, medical, ….whatever evolution, „improvment“, but in fact THEY turned everything UpsideDown. We fell into a trap and gave up sovereignity, control and independancy. Step by step. Trusting THEY. But THEY turned everything into business and are destroying, step by step. Judging by how mindless THEY work for centuries, THEY can not be human!

THEY headquarter might still be on a BOAT or Island unknown to us. In any case off-shore ! Until final conquest, i.e. once we will be no longer able to survive in this polluted environment with genmanipulated „food“, poisoned air and water, microwave frequencies to enable virtual reality, created poverty and shortages, forced „vaccinations“, …study the Protocols of Sion and read The Secret World Government or Hidden Hand

Do not think THEY are only „The 1%“, the Elites or „Upper 10 000“ , THEY soldiers/actors are everywhere, living in a Secret Society among us, mimicking, misleading and mocking us. Meanwhile THEY outnumber us !

The whole „world“ is a stage! Since when this proverb was coined. HIStory is invented and Reality is a preprogrammed scripted Show on stage. Muppet & Puppet Distraction Show.

 

[Quiahuitl]

I wasn’t aware about the very recent construction in the 1800s and 1900s of the „ancient“ ruins all over until recently. As the „ancient“ ruins did not exist, so did the related „Antiquity“ & cultures never exist. It’s all invented !!! Fantasy. Deceptions !

The claim that Napoleon built the Egyptian antiquities is far fetched. They are still digging antiquities out from under the sand, are you claiming that Napoleon built antiquities then covered them with millions of tons of sand?

Have you examined the number of tons of stone (or stone forming materials) that would have to be moved to achieve this? Graham Hancock made an in depth study of this subject.

I'm open to the idea that ancient cultures had advanced stone building technology. My opinion is that they were able to soften stone and form it in shape. They may have used liquid stone cast in place too. One of Ewar's recent videos shows 'Grog' which is an artificial stone widely used in England in the 1800s and still known about today.

My mind was blown by the idea we were still using these technologies until recently. For example this renaissance sculpture which is said to have been carved out of a single piece of marble but which has a steel frame inside - so it looks like the 'Marble' was applied soft, then worked into shape like plasticine. I actually saw something like this in Rome *with my own eyes*

From Leidtke collection


The conventional narrative says the European cathedrals were built over the course of hundreds of years using hand tools, typically up to 300 years for most examples. In this 1877 photo of San Francisco (from falsehistory) you can see a cathedral. We are told that SF was only settled a few generations earlier by a few tens of thousands of people who had primitive hand tools. Both these conventional narratives can't be true.

One possible explanation is that the 'Ancients' (up until just a few hundred years ago) had building capabilities that exceed ours today. I've not heard anyone explain how those would have worked. Also, how would they have moved the millions of tons of building materials using horse and cart?

These photos (below) look more like stone being softened than stone being cast out of a liquid. In my opinion.

From coolguitargear YT channel



I'm fascinated by the discovery that 'Ancient' structures used iron/steel reinforcing rods. Where is this photo from please? From PuzzleBear post, above

J - dating. Obviously Julius Caesar, after whom the Julian calendar is named. At least it's obvious now you mention it, I had not thought of that before. Doh!

Prior to Julius we had ten months, which is why some of the months are numbered - September, October, November, December mean 7th month, 8th month, 9th month and 10th month. If you speak any Southern European language you will know this already, but if you only speak English think pentagon, hexagon, Octogon, Decimal etc and you can see how we use these Latin word roots in everyday English. The first six months are named after various Gods, then we have September (7th month), October (8th month), November (9th month) and December (10th month). All the months were originally 36 days. There was a 5/6 day gap between each old and new year when they reset the calendar each time.


Julius, first Emperor of Rome, wanted his own month, so he stole days from the rest of the calendar and used them to create his own month, called July. This came after the first 6 months already named, but before September, which now became the 8th month.

After Julius Caesar came Augustus Caesar, who also wanted his own month so he stole more days from the rest of the calendar and a few from July too (I assume,) so August is now the 8th month and September, literally meaning 'Seventh month' is now the 9th month. The months no longer have 36 days each, they mostly have 31, some only 30. and February only 28 plus an extra day every once in four years, more or less.

The Mexicah still have the five and a quarter day gap every year, but they use 18 'Months' of 20 days for a total of 360 days, just like our pre Julian calendar used 10 months of 36 days.

 

[PuzzleBear]

I'm fascinated by the discovery that 'Ancient' structures used iron/steel reinforcing rods. Where is this photo from please? From PuzzleBear post, above

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I forgot to add that article source "Antique reinforcment of Baalbeck "

Article is listed with this one about The missing colum of Baalbeck in a 19th century foto
at the end of an Index list of articles here from the same author, with many fotos from old to recent and many explanations about the building techniques.​

Imo, Napoleon and the so-called Napoleonic Commission are cover stories, it's invented. Napoleon either lived a centrury earlier or what is even more probable, it's a mythological figure representing Appollo.

I think that "roman" architects were involved. Those that left their NAMES and year of construction in the still wet plaster. There is no massive stone, everything has been cast in formworks with hardening stone mixture. Fotos with formwork material do also exist.

If whatever "ancient" ruin was really observable to painters, then early depictions of those from 1500 - around 1830 would also be accurate.

Are these erarly "views" of the Great and Second Pyramid accurate ? Imo, it's fantasy and the pyramids were not yet constructed.

Source and more examples Evidence of the Great Pyramids retrospective​

 

[sekito]

I was reading Juri Lina's "Architects of Deception" and it mentioned one source.

in "Терновый венец России. Тайная история масонства 1731-1996" Тайная история масонства (Crown of Thorns of Russia - The Secret History of Freemasonry by Oleg Anatolyevich Platonov)

It quotes from a document signed between B'nai B'rith and the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite in 1874:
"Подписано в долине Тибра, на Великом Востоке Рима, в 5-й день луны Низан, 24-й день 1-го месяца 000874 года Истинного Совета Натаниель Келуп-Абиам
Подписано в Верховном Востоке Чарльстона на глазах Всемогущего Божественного Учителя в 1-й день луны Тишри, 12-й день 7-го месяца 000874 года Истинного Совета Лимунд Энсоф"

translated: "Signed in the valley of the Tiber, in the Great Orient of Rome, on the 5th day of the moon Nizan, the 24th day of the 1st month of the year 000874 of the True Council Nathaniel Kelup-Abyam
Signed in the High East of Charleston in front of the Almighty Divine Teacher on the 1st day of the moon Tishri, the 12th day of the 7th month of the year 000874 of the True Council by Limund Ensof"

so instead of 1874, it used 000874 as the year of signing

 

[ViniB]

How can we ever find out what really happened and @ what point in time, if literally everything we are shown or allowed to see has been forged centuries ago? Real astronomical observation and real horoscopes still at their original location could have helped to clarified chronology. But such does not exist!

I wasn’t aware about the very recent construction in the 1800s and 1900s of the „ancient“ ruins all over until recently. As the „ancient“ ruins did not exist, so did the related „Antiquity“ & cultures never exist. It’s all invented !!! Fantasy. Deceptions !

This feels like the creation of stage accessories for a Truman Show!

First HIStory was introduced per tales and myths on paintings, illustrations in books, the early ones pure fantasy, the latter often were the PLANS for the construction. Although plan and finished work sometimes did not match.

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How could the so-called Napoleonic Commission have had some accurate measures and drawings of those „ancient“ ruins , if they were only dug out of the sand some 40 to 60 years later ?

Planned long time ago and for centuries in advance. Like for the pyramids, they appeared on several paintings, especially myths like „Finding Moses“, „Moses saved from the waters“, „Moses found on the Nile“, …, Madonna and child, … . Allegedly painted end 1500s and in the 1600s, here only a few

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Source, article with much more fantasy pyramids on paintings.​

None of the early illustrations presented in books before 1830 matched reality. Because construction was not yet done.

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In Karnak a fork was among the rubbish used to fill the formwork for the casting of a hardening stone mixture in this column. (It’s the third fork the author found looking at old fotos, but I haven’t found the pics of the other forks yet.)

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Nothing was hewn in stone, there are no massive stones or granite. Everything was cast in formworks with a hardening stone mixture. Prepared blocks. Here they were in a hurry, did not pay attention when assembling the blocks. Noone would have hewn upside down !

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This was one of the earlier constructions, the metal rods seem to not yet have contained iron. Iron oxidzes (rust). They bent under the weight of the casted stone mixture.

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This was written in the still wet plaster ! The year of construction 1820. Luxor. Probably the responsible architect. Carlo Vidua. Was quite busy in Egypt back then. There are more like Forré, Koch, Jung, … their names with year written in wet plaster.

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Many articles listed here, index page,
original written in russian, google translation into english.​

„Ancient“ Egypt et al. „Antiquity“, it‘s obviously a forgery, never really existed. Thus the related astronomical inscriptions or zodiacs like the ones in Dendera etc are fantasy. It can be no other way.

Even if THEY wanted to represent a certain date (like day of discovery or first LANDing or first won battle or first Kingpriest, or …), it would be wrong, unless there would have been a real event and heavenly observation of the planetary positions, which was noted and survived. THEY did not have the possibility to accurately calculate all planetary positions for 1 day some hundred years earlier around 1750 – 1800. That is, imo, the time when these plans of constructions for the egyptian zodiacs were calculated.

That fits also with the Leiden Aratea, where 1779 was one of the years the backdate calculating could have been done for the „ancient“ 579 AD horoscope, which seems to be a composite of 1403 and 1579.

A „Dendera“ search here on sh shows this post, Fomenko dating these zodiacs around 1750.

I haven’t read Fomenkos books yet, just started a few days ago with Volume 3, Chapter12 about the Egyptian Zodiacs. But I googled Anatoly Fomenko. , a wiki page! Books available @ ama zon … Yet that tells me, it is a THEY actor misleading us ! Controlled opposite narrative.

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And now it's 1750 ? Make-believe mythology/fantasy was real, just not that ancient but more recent. Ofc there is also truth to be found in such books, otherwise it would not resonate at all and not attract followers/believers.

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Anatoly Fomenko​

Astronomical knowledge, mythologies turned into religions and worship, spread to instill „Fear of the Lord“ and then serving as foundation for THEY power as Kingpriests. When did this start ? Around 1492 ? Or some time earlier? Renaissance means rebirth ! After defeat ? THEY brought knowledge, technology, alchemy, masonry, metallurgy, printing techniques, … since then we live not only under psychological warfare !

Now this is what I meanwhile think might have happened:

Imo, there was no HIStory, no wars, no money system, no politics, no REGIStration, no kings/priests/churches/religions, …., especially no artificial frequencies, ... before THEY (The Hierarchy Enslaving You ) came (per BOAT, Argos Navi), saw and won (step by step).

Imo, this used to be a natural organic realm without „artificial“ electro-technology. It might have been a "waterworld", cities connected per water canals, and everything (people, animals, plants) was still in resonance with the original, natural frequencies. Nature produces in abundance.

THEY came and brought their knowledge and technology, which was inserted publically step by step. Through actors of THEY club or invented „ancient“ characters.

THEY brought electricity, artificial created frequencies, superposed on the original, natural frequencies. These were altered, as were the minds of the inhabitants of this world when THEY started with erecting radio antennae all over and broadcasting. (See Georg Lahkovsky, The Secret of Life. Btw, THEY introduced also cooked food, which caused new „diseases“, as did the introduction of artificial EM frequencies. See Arthur Firstenberg – Invisible rainbow ) [sh-library down?] Maybe THEY were kind of „shortcircuiting“ the original „program“, which could have caused heavy cataclysms ?

Imo, THEY mock us with the „Discovery of the New World“. THEY discovered our world and started to conqueer it. Within a few centuries THEY managed to „run“ (& own) our world. It took some time and wars, but once THEY were able to infiltrate the elected Leader positions (Aristocrats = the best), those became hereditary. Step by step, all over the 4 corners of the Earth THEY introduced they monetary, jewridical, political, economic and educational system into a world that was built and running in harmony with the surrounding NATURAL frequencies.

Everything became DEPENDANT upon THEY system, and for 2 centuries at least THEY controll & own almost all, because THEY could implant the very system (through deceptions) that ALLOWED THEY to do it. Whatever institutions, administrations, ... etc were created, it was always only for THEY (not us).

Teasing us with industrial, technological, medical, ….whatever evolution, „improvment“, but in fact THEY turned everything UpsideDown. We fell into a trap and gave up sovereignity, control and independancy. Step by step. Trusting THEY. But THEY turned everything into business and are destroying, step by step. Judging by how mindless THEY work for centuries, THEY can not be human!

THEY headquarter might still be on a BOAT or Island unknown to us. In any case off-shore ! Until final conquest, i.e. once we will be no longer able to survive in this polluted environment with genmanipulated „food“, poisoned air and water, microwave frequencies to enable virtual reality, created poverty and shortages, forced „vaccinations“, …study the Protocols of Sion and read The Secret World Government or Hidden Hand

Do not think THEY are only „The 1%“, the Elites or „Upper 10 000“ , THEY soldiers/actors are everywhere, living in a Secret Society among us, mimicking, misleading and mocking us. Meanwhile THEY outnumber us !

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The whole „world“ is a stage! Since when this proverb was coined. HIStory is invented and Reality is a preprogrammed scripted Show on stage. Muppet & Puppet Distraction Show.

I gotta admit, most of what you wrote reasonate with me! Will make a decent reply tomorrow once i find a piece of my collection that is the embodyment of mock up his story