Colony of Virginia vs. 1636 Map

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It's kind of hard to figure out what the official population numbers for the Colony of Virginia were in the year 1636. For the most part, the numbers are estimates. Here is some of the available info.

• 1624: Since 1606, approximately 7,300 emigrants have sailed for the colony, and 6,040 have died either en route or after arrival. However, the Privy Council argues that that the colony has had a net increase of only 275 people since its founding. The colony suffers from chronic food shortages and seems unable to get a subsistence from its own efforts. The greatest death rate has occurred between 1621 and 1623, during the period of the Great Migration.
• In 1625, there were 1,200 people there.
  • The “Muster of 1624-25” lists 952 men and boys and 280 women and girls living in English Virginia.
• In 1634, the English Crown created eight shires (i.e. counties) in the colony of Virginia which had a total population of approximately 5,000 inhabitants.
• It appears that in 1640 there were 10,400 people in Virginia.
  • Although about 24,000 men and women immigrated to Virginia between 1607 and 1640, in 1640 the population stood at only 8,100. Most of the inhabitants fell victim to disease, although the Indian uprising of 1622 took 347 lives.

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According to what I was able to find, there were approximately 5,000 colonists living in Virginia in 1634. With Jamestown being the main settlement, it would probably be fair to assume that a good chunk of those 5,000 colonists could be attributed to Jamestown.

• Unfortunately I was unable to find any numbers pertaining specifically to Jamestown.​

1634 Map​

We have this 1636 map of Virginia, engraved by Ralph Hall. The map was originally intended to be included in the first edition of Historia Mundi. According to the source, the map is based in part upon John Smith's 1606 map of Virginia, embellished with a lively and unique ethnographical view of Virginia, shortly after the English established a colony at Jamestown. Hall's map is the earliest map of Virginia based upon John Smith's model and is quite rare on the market.

I understand the "embellished" part, for this is a standard "go to" explanation used by the PTB these days. I believe in this case, the embellishment consists of all the town/city symbols included on the map. Were those supposed to "embellish" Indian wigwam villages? This is what Powhatan people allegedly lived in.

This Symbol​

As far as I understand, those Powhatan people were all over the place, and they were not exactly the friendliest individuals in the lives of our colonists. What do you think the circled symbols were supposed to signify, when Ralph Hall was "embellishing" this map?

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One of those symbols is located way up the Potomac river, which is ways out from Jamestown. If there were European settlers there, who was protecting them from the Native population?

The Legend​

Oh wait, we do have a legend though. The legend is present on the 1606 map, but was replaced by some naked upside down people on the 1636 one.

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We either had native kings all over the place, or we had colonists all over the place, or may be we do not know what we had...

Horned People?​

And what's up with these individuals below? I understand that we could be seeing a hairstyle, but somehow I doubt that.

Fort Algernon or Fort Charles?​

And with all of that, the map author forgot to name the so-called Fort Algernon. It was (allegedly) established in the fall of 1609 at the mouth of Hampton Roads at Point Comfort in the Virginia Colony. A strategic point for guarding the shipping channel leading from the Chesapeake Bay, Fort Monroe was built there beginning in the 1830s.

• The first fort was a wooden stockade named Fort Algernourne, followed by other small forts ​
• The fort was very close to the Kecoughtans village, and in one of the acts leading to the First Anglo-Powhatan War, this village was attacked and captured by the English on July 9, 1610, who built then there another fort, named Fort Charles.​
• In mid-1611, a fire accidentally destroyed all of Fort Algernon except for Davis' own house and the storehouse; however, Davis quickly rebuilt it as before.​
• Fort Algernon - Wikipedia​
• First Forts At Point Comfort​

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Fort Algernon, Fort Charles, Fort George, Fort Monroe... how many forts were there, and which one is it?

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KD: Remarkably, it was our future expo area:

• 1907: Jamestown Ter-Centennial Exposition

Anyways, I was just rumbling about nothing. Feel free to comment.

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Interesting how all the King's Houses aren't named but all the Ordinary Houses are?

 

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And this here is some 1615 pub talking about the year 1614. May be they are talking about the forts they built, but the way those forts are being talked bout sounds... weird, like hey, check out what we found over there...

• 1615: A Trve Discovrse of the Present Estate of Virginia
• I guess they had Fort Henry there as well. That's 5 altogether.
• And I did not see anywhere that Forts Henry and Charles were supposed to exist simultaneously.

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Yup, that's what hey had, apparently: Fort Algernon (and later Fort Henry, Fort Charles, Fort George, and Fort Monroe) was built on Point Comfort after the colonists displaced the Kecoughtans from their village.

Looks like there are plenty of ruins with questionable history in VA as well:

• These 9 Unbelievable Ruins in Virginia Will Transport You To The Past

 

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Americæ pars, nunc Virginia dicta : primum ab Anglis inuenta, sumtibus Dn. Walteri Raleigh, Equestris ordinis Viri, Anno Dn̄i. MDLXXXV regni Vero Sereniss. nostræ Reginæ Elisabethæ XXVII, hujus vero Historia peculiari Libro descripta est, additis etiam Indigenarum Iconibus

1585 Map of the Area - Vastly different?

(very HQ source above)

 

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Username: parta
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where does a vast templar fleet go to when they leave la rochelle. i think they were brave enough to sail to a safe and good place in north america.
you would have thought they would have stuck to the lattitude of la rochelle to get home again someday but you end up in cold old canada [bet that was a surprise.. see this interactive lattitude map]

maybe they just settled where it was familiar climatically.

 

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I love posts like this which poke holes in the narrative using the narrative itself. Very clever.

 

[Onijunbei]

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Huntingfield Map Collection

So here is a good description of the map. It is referred to as "absurd". He (Hall) doesn't pay that much attention to the geography or all of the notable places and forts.
The picture in question are Indians lying side by side.
Smith is the one who befriends Pocahontas, and sets up trade with the Powhatans. They were not rivals at this time, and she would act as a guide.

 

[JWW427]

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As a Virginian, I'd just like to state for the record that we are very proud of our state, its mountains of blue, the fertile Piedmont red soil, its suspect star forts, its ancient and advanced Native American tribes, its iffy and unreliable colonial history, its possible Atlantean colonial history, all the advanced ruins that are now hidden under naval bases and churches, its impossible canals, and of course our soon-to-be-destroyed historical monuments being taken down so that history and its painful lessons can be 100% forgotten.





I don't want to stray off topic because its a good one, but...
Above is the British symbol for the Order of the Garter, which is the most exclusive secret society in England. The crown represents higher knowledge.
Were they trying to hide the "real treasures" of Virginia even back in 1607? I say yes.
Perhaps there were public maps, and then secret ones made at the same time.
Legend has it that Virginia was named after the "Virgin Queen" Elizabeth I.
He court astrologer John Dee wanted Virginia and the colonies to be "The new Atlantis." If anyone in England knew about the real history of Virginia it was Dee. Im guessing he had many maps drawn up.


Elizabeth City County, Virginia
Elizabeth City County was a county in southeastern Virginia from 1634 until 1952 when it was merged into the city of Hampton. Originally created in 1634 as Elizabeth River Shire, it was one of eight shires created in the Virginia Colony by order of the King of England. Wikipedia.


I believe "Smyth's Fales" might be Great Falls, VA. near Wash. DC.

 

[Whitewave]

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Americæ pars, nunc Virginia dicta : primum ab Anglis inuenta, sumtibus Dn. Walteri Raleigh, Equestris ordinis Viri, Anno Dn̄i. MDLXXXV regni Vero Sereniss. nostræ Reginæ Elisabethæ XXVII, hujus vero Historia peculiari Libro descripta est, additis etiam Indigenarum Iconibus

1585 Map of the Area - Vastly different?

View attachment 49422

(very HQ source above)

I notice your map still has horned people on it.

Descendents of horned Moses?

 

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Username: Starmonkey
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Got this book a couple weeks ago...

I'll get to it...
But don't she look FINE! Give QE1 a run for her frigid money

 

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Got this book a couple weeks ago...
View attachment 49543
I'll get to it...
But don't she look FINE! Give QE1 a run for her frigid money

3 feathers.
Ich dein.

 

[Mabzynn]

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I think it's important to note that the 1606 map with the Christian crosses comes from the John Smith source of him describing what Virginia was like when they settled there... So the Christian presence was definitely already there.

Virginia. Discovered and Discribed by Captain John Smith . . . 1606

The original 1606 map also stated, "the Sasquesahanougs are a Giant like people":

3 feathers.
Ich dein.

Interesting indeed. Overwhelming evidence that there was a Welsh mixed civilization in the Americas. Also j616 date on the original image of Pocahontas with the three ostrich feathers. Connected to over 30 Algonquian tribes. The Algonquian-basque pidgin language that disappeared from the Americas. Baccalaos on all the old maps to the NW of Virginia.

Here's another similar period piece showing Ich DIen:

On the original map there are two dating methods listed as well... j607 and 1606. J607 when referencing Powhatan receiving John Smith as prisoner. Then 1606 when referencing John Smith describing Virginia...



So... Is the J dating referencing dates that this civilization would have used?

From the biography on Captain John Smith of the London Company:

The Generall Historie of Virginia, New-England, and the Summer Isles 1624

The Generall Historie of Virginia, New-England, and the Summer Isles

Poly-olbion. 1613.

Poly-olbion. Or A Chorographicall Description of Tracts, Rivers, Mountaines, Forests, and other Parts of this renowned Isle of Great Britaine, With intermixture of the most Remarquable Stories, Antiquities, Rarityes, Pleasures, and Commodities of the same: Digested in a Poem by Michael Drayton Esq. With a Table added, etc. [With the “Illustrations” of John Selden.]

 

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Is the J dating referencing dates that this civilization would have used?

If it were the civilisation must have spoken and be able to read English otherwise there is no point in the J dating reference.

 

[JWW427]

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The Maltese crosses on maps are not Christian symbols. There are some map legends that use them to mark important places of interest. Just an FYI.

 

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