The Toth's - system administrators of history?

[feralimal]

This post could have gone on as a post here:
The Daily Fake

but I think it deserves its own thread as it seems to be a bigger ball of yarn, that others might want to contribute to.

I was recently reading about how Harvard Law School’s Magna Carta is an original, here:
Harvard Law School’s $27.50 “copy” of Magna Carta is an original – The History Blog

The gist is that a professor thought the 1327 'copy' was actually one of 7 originals from 1300.

The two professors recognized several signs: the handwriting and size of the parchment—about 19-by-19 inches—were strikingly similar to those of the other official Magna Cartas from 1300. And most tellingly, the text stated that the document was issued in “the 28th year of Edward’s reign”—which dates it squarely to 1300.

After Vincent contacted Harvard, the two scholars started a process to confirm their suspicions. Carpenter collated the six other known 1300 confirmations and found that this version was strikingly specific: clerks at the time had been instructed to meticulously replicate particular changes in diction and word order. This provided a test for HLS MS 127: if it was indeed a 1300 confirmation, its text would need to match the others.

So - it might or might not be true... but the next segment in that post jumped out at me:

The text, however, was too faded to read clearly, so Harvard enlisted the company R.B. Toth Associates, which specializes in digital research technologies, to use ultraviolet light and spectral imaging to reveal the invisible writing. Once Carpenter received those images, he compared them to the confirmed authentic text.

R.B. Toth Associates used their technology and ultimately this helps to "verify" the document as an original.

'Spectral' is an interesting word. It can relate to seeing lights and ghosts/spectres. Which is it?

Its always fascinating to see who the authenticators of history are - so I took a closer look at R.B. Toth Associates - R.B. Toth Associates

Busy chaps!

Our teams of expert specialists plan, lead and support digitization and spectral imaging studies of manuscripts, books, scrolls, globes, maps, paintings, photographs, walls, and other artifacts and materials. We guide, manage and implement advanced digitization projects around the globe

They seem to be a group that has a systemic role in managing historical data. This started to remind me of a previous post of mine:
Meta history - Who provides the data?

I recommend reading that but the tldr; is that the person who has the largest map collection in the world (David Rumsey) also had the means and connections to create and/or edit the maps in his collection.

We can read more about rbtoth on their about page: AboutUs

The father "Founded R.B. Toth Associates in 1981 to provide strategic services to the worldwide standardization and certification communities".

"Worldwide standardization and certification communities"? This sounds like quite a foundational position - if you define the standards, and what people can certify as authentic that's equivalent to being a DNS server on the internet. If you wanted to manage a close handle on the perceived reality, this is the kind of operation you would run.

Bob Toth pioneered today’s aerospace standards

Bob worked to ensure the integrity of flight systems for the U.S. Army missile program that launched the first US satellite. This involved close coordination with Magnus and Werner Von Braun and the Jupiter rocket project team in Huntsville, AL. He subsequently developed the standards necessary to certify the Redstone rocket to launch the first US astronaut.

He was deep in the fakery - establishing the standards and certifications for space and history!

And his son?

From that blurb above, it seems the son is more interested in tools for historical research.

However, if one clicks the link to find out more about the Toths background we go to this page:
One Local Man Solves History’s Mysteries

We read:

A cultural-heritage researcher, he’s a kind of real-life Indiana Jones crossed with Robert Langdon of The Da Vinci Code (one of his next projects actually involves a painting by that master). The reason Toth is in such demand among historians, librarians, and cultural specialists: He spent years developing advanced imaging technology to photograph delicate manuscripts in extreme detail, so much so that it’s been described as “Photoshop on steroids.” These photographs are enhanced with ultraviolet and multispectral lights hued in green, red, blue, and infrared, allowing the human eye to detect previously unseen residues, undertext, and handprints. Then, in collaboration with scientists and scholars, the images are uploaded to the internet and shared with the world.

He develops technology that allows "the human eye to detect previously unseen residues, undertext, and handprints. Then, in collaboration with scientists and scholars, the images are uploaded to the internet and shared with the world".

My question - perhaps the enhanced images do "show unseen residues, undertext, and handprints" but do the originals actually have this information? Are the enhancements verifiable? The imagery that is 'unseen by the human eye' is being shared with trusting professors and used to verify the magna carta and what have you - but is it even there?

 

[feralimal]

Reading on about the son, we read:

After graduation from Wake Forest University, Toth joined the Foreign Broadcast Information Service and was stationed overseas monitoring foreign broadcasts and supervising teams of translators.

another senior and systemic role intermediating information - managing teams of translators. Straight out of university. I guess he didn't fancy trying his hand as a barista, like so many others.

and the Foreign Broadcast Information Service?

The Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS) was an open source intelligence component of the Central Intelligence Agency's Directorate of Science and Technology. It monitored, translated, and disseminated within the U.S. government openly available news and information from media sources outside the United States. Its headquarters was in Rosslyn, later Reston, Virginia, and it maintained approximately 20 monitoring stations worldwide. In November 2005, it was announced that FBIS would become the newly formed Open Source Center, tasked with the collection and analysis of publicly available intelligence.

Foreign Broadcast Information Service - Wikipedia

CIA? Say. No. More.

.. but here's more anyway.

While living in Bangkok, Toth flew to Vienna, Virginia, to court his future wife, Lucretia Coffee. After their marriage, the couple lived in Thailand, Swaziland (now known as Eswatini), and Australia, where Toth became the scientific adviser to the defense attaché. Eventually, the couple returned to Northern Virginia, where Toth served as national policy director for the National Reconnaissance Office.

His wife is called Lucretia Coffee - ludicrous. Is any of this stuff real?

Toth says the most exciting thing he has ever done was serve as payload communications manager for a 1989 launch of the space shuttle Discovery—two years after the space shuttle Challenger exploded during liftoff. Asked about supervising from the control room, Toth downplays his nerves of steel, allowing that “it was exciting.” The mission was particularly meaningful because three decades before, his father had worked on a smaller version of a human launch vehicle, the Redstone rockets. Twenty years before, Toth had watched Apollo 8 blast off from the same launchpad as Discovery. In serendipitous symmetry, now Discovery and his father’s Redstone rocket are parked in the same hangar at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly.

Like his father the trajectory is space to history. The family (if they even exist) must be considered a safe pair of hands.

Toth volunteered to manage the project, and through multispectral imaging, researchers could finally decipher the original text of the Archimedes Palimpsest. “I had experience in advanced imaging systems. I loved history, and I love culture heritage,” says Toth. “This was something new because no one had done this before on a complete manuscript.” It also was the perfect time—when digital cameras were first introduced and the internet provided a way to share those images.

I'm reiterating the bits I think are worth pondering:
It also was the perfect time—when digital cameras were first introduced and the internet provided a way to share those images.

After the Archimedes project, Toth was hooked. He retired from government and embarked on his new career. “It was a new adventure, and I love adventure,” he says with a laugh. His skills were in demand, and institutions hired him to scan objects across the globe.

Now, to my favourite bit:

Doug Emery, who leads the cultural heritage computing group for the University of Pennsylvania libraries, is a regular collaborator. “Mike is as generous as he is brilliant,” says Emery. “Our work on the Archimedes Palimpsest has been influential in how grants [to libraries] are funded and how cultural-heritage data is released.” Emery adds that while the photographs are important, managing those images is equally critical, “Mike believed you had to do it rigorously and according to standards. Mike lives in the future, he knows what’s coming, and he knows what you need to think about.

Eureka!

Mike lives in the future, he knows what’s coming, and he knows what you need to think about.

Indeed! This is, in my view, a lovely summary of the utility of history from the perspective of the 'system administrators'. Mike knows what you need to think about, so he retrojects whatever is required into the historical record.

“What we are trying to do is democratize our history,” says Toth. “Make it available to everyone around the globe. Not just scientists and scholars, but students, teachers, retirees, people stuck at home, anyone, anywhere, anytime. To give them the ability to access these data and look at these images on their own computer.” And if the data is ever corrupted by a virus or a server goes down, there are backups.

Just trust the imagery provided!

But beyond institutions and museums, Toth is hired by families seeking investigation and preservation of their precious family heirlooms. “It used to be you locked your books in a library because you didn’t want them stolen,” Toth says. “Now, we are making sure the data is available for future generations.”

Sounds like history creation with some lucrative income creation on the side - how much to get this piece of crap family heirloom certified as authentic, I wonder?

There's more potential historical fakery to dig into, for example here:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article63692287.html
where we find the sister Dr. Cynthia Toth is also getting in on the historical scanning. We also find out his company is Washington, D.C. based.

I think its fair to wonder whether these people even exist. 'Toth' is certainly a strange name - from a historical perspective it makes me think of 'Thoth'. Perhaps there is an inside joke there. No need to assume that these people are actually real - they may just be placeholder names that help to deliver certification and standardisation of history.


For reference, here are the referenced links on the webarchive:
R.B. Toth Associates
AboutUs
One Local Man Solves History’s Mysteries
At Duke, sibling sleuths try to unlock mummy mystery

 

[Tomkat]

Reading on about the son, we read:

another senior and systemic role intermediating information - managing teams of translators. Straight out of university. I guess he didn't fancy trying his hand as a barista, like so many others.

and the Foreign Broadcast Information Service?

Foreign Broadcast Information Service - Wikipedia

CIA? Say. No. More.

.. but here's more anyway.


His wife is called Lucretia Coffee - ludicrous. Is any of this stuff real?


Like his father the trajectory is space to history. The family (if they even exist) must be considered a safe pair of hands.


I'm reiterating the bits I think are worth pondering:
It also was the perfect time—when digital cameras were first introduced and the internet provided a way to share those images.



Now, to my favourite bit:

Eureka!

Mike lives in the future, he knows what’s coming, and he knows what you need to think about.

Indeed! This is, in my view, a lovely summary of the utility of history from the perspective of the 'system administrators'. Mike knows what you need to think about, so he retrojects whatever is required into the historical record.


Just trust the imagery provided!


Sounds like history creation with some lucrative income creation on the side - how much to get this piece of crap family heirloom certified as authentic, I wonder?

There's more potential historical fakery to dig into, for example here:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article63692287.html
where we find the sister Dr. Cynthia Toth is also getting in on the historical scanning. We also find out his company is Washington, D.C. based.

I think its fair to wonder whether these people even exist. 'Toth' is certainly a strange name - from a historical perspective it makes me think of 'Thoth'. Perhaps there is an inside joke there. No need to assume that these people are actually real - they may just be placeholder names that help to deliver certification and standardisation of history.


For reference, here are the referenced links on the webarchive:
R.B. Toth Associates
AboutUs
One Local Man Solves History’s Mysteries
At Duke, sibling sleuths try to unlock mummy mystery

Still working through of course, but this is great feralimal. MM ain't got sh*t on you. This is good stuff.
Couple quick things come to mind related: yeah right? Does he have emerald tablets? I'm serious, that's the first thing I thought of...
Adjustment bureau?
Wikipedia seems to have an internal version, doesn't one dude write half or more of all their pages?
Democratize it? What? Arg, pet peeve of mine; democracy. So, in other words, majority rules as far as what's true? Sounds like a good idea.

 

[Jef Demolder]

When I read about Harvard Law School’s Magna Carta as an original I thought, well, even in Harvard today people are strengthening the structure of false history by creating false historical sources. Thanks ferilimal for your research on the real counterfeiters. We will recognize them when we will meet them elsewhere.

ALL the so called original manuscripts of the Magna Charta are false. There has not been a Magna Charta ( a decisive confirmation in 1297 by Edward I of previous charters). This is clear from the text itself. Take § 1.
(1) In the first place we grant to God and confirm by this our present charter for ourselves and our heirs in perpetuity that the English Church is to be free and to have all its rights fully and its liberties entirely.
Such thing like a free English church only exists since 1534. The writers of the Magna Charta are modern Anglicans. Or take § 33.
(33) All patrons of abbeys which have charters of the kings of England over advowson or ancient tenure or possession are to have the custody of such abbeys when they fall vacant just as they ought to have and as is declared above.
It is in modern times, when kings and dukes and people like that began to reign, that abbeys had to produce false charters as to pretend that the order had received property rights from the kings of old, as in modern times this property rights were threatened by the new rulers. The funny thing is hat § 33 takes in account an already existing modern practice of falsification of history.

The counterfeiters, like this Toth or Thoth people, always work on EXTERNAL criteria. They speak about the artefacts, so called original manuscirpts, but the whole of paleography is a scam. Ancient manuscripts can be produced at wish. On the contrary, the falsification always can be demonstrated on the base of INTERNAL criteria belonging to the text itself. A false historical document always shows traces of bitemporality: the writer tries to place himself in ancient times but while writing he thinks about the readers in his own time.

 

[Seiya]

Very good work. I didn't know about it.
All your observations are on point.

At this point I know that many busyness is not private, is militar complex activity with deep roots in this after reset slave talmud luciferium system run by crown City of London corporation we all leave. The British Empire never fall. Don't confuse British Empire with the English Scottish Welsh Irish people, they are the first victims of the crown. R.B. Toth Associates have more than enough to signal military operation.
Those owners are just the facade.

The names hilarious, special the wife. Mocking is one of the regular points always present in deception operation. I believe it must have a connection with spell craft magic.

The name Toth =18 = 666
The number 18 is in relation, in cabalistic numerology, with emotions, the secrets, the lie, the selfishness, the criminality, the destruction, the disposition of accidents, with the difficulties, the sickness, the danger.

The name R.B.= 18 = 666

I checked the R.B. Toth Associates web page. Is that the website of an organization that certifying the veracity of things to the world, aerospace standards? Is like amateur 90’s web page.

What caught my attention even more was "services".

They support the narrative you want to invent. It ranges from inventing the "story", producing the artifact that supports the story aka imaging, training, systems integration, support and services that ensure the successful achievement that the organization needs and budget.

Another way to look at it is:

You have a legitimate archive or collection or collection of material and you seek to make it available to the public and hire them. They will have access to first-hand material that contradicts the narrative or reveals what they do not want. It is a varied way to "silence" the artifact, whether by destroying or altering or damaging or discrediting it.

Using the most "sophisticated" deception technologies: Spectroscopy and variations

Their latest "work" came to light two weeks ago at such a convenient time. There has been a growing number of people in England who finally understand that we live under Admiralty Law/Maritime Law, dead entity, legal fiction, strong man, fake courts with real judges... and had taken actions against the government corporation.

I don't know yeat exactly what the relationship between Magna Carta and Common Law is. Magna Carta today had almost everything repealed. It is convenient to remain in force in every part of the UK except Scotland only 3 clause :
- freedom of the Church of England,
- the "ancient liberties" of the City of London
- a right to due legal process.

Nothing for the people, nothing to us. Which to me is insane.

They had produce a Magna Carta with who knows what, modify writer...

This video

The Particle Accelerator Experiment That Could Rewrite the History of the Printing Press



1 - Expert Scientists, all of them using a piece of cloth covering the respiratory inlet and outlet.

2 - The elegy 500-year-old books are in perfect condition, like new.

3 - Do you need a particle accelerator device to scan a book?

4 - Toth says "emits a very bright and powerful light source and it allows us in a shorter period of time to gather more information" and then she comes and says "it produces a very low energy which allows us to study them without destroying them". Can keep the lie straight? Why need short period of time? What kind information and to do what with this information?

5 - At the same time, they is leafing through the books with bare hands?



6 - Uncovering Secrets of the Printing Press, what secret? Paper and ink? Who is investing in this at the time everything is digital or move to digital (that I think is bad)? What could uncover from this realistic and usual?

7 - Why we need to know a old book in (elegy)atomic level - ?

8 - Why all the items look made with the same paper?

What they are saying in the video is so stupid.

"Understand the one of most important invention the human history, the print press." Well I have the impression that we not only understand but we master in all kind of print press

“when something fluoresces, it just means it sends light off. The atom in that sample admit light themselves and we measure that light and then track which elements those that light must have come from on the periodic table. The full data we can put together in a visual map, a elemental map of our sample, and we can filter it and say, okay, show me the copper. And now only the copper will appear on our picture of the sample”

So this give the scientists ability to know all elements content in each pixel

So they use these maps to look for soft tissues and chemicals in this ancient arch optics fossil commonly believe to be a link between birds and dinosaurs.

It also helped reveal a medical manuscript hidden behind a religious text on this sixth century parchment

The first print was 1440 ad but have evidence in Asia 1250. Everything must come east to west. “If was information flow will be of course Korea to the west to Gutenberg” say the creature.

So how they are establishing the date of the 2 items? Because carbon date is a fraud.

“this one of the big goals is to see if we can find any traces of the printing press itself and to see how those presses were made” “for example what the little interchangeable metal keys with each letter on them, the stamps, what those were made out of, um, how the ink was applied, how the paper was pressed down. Uh we can get information like that depending of the concentration of elements we find the sample.”


“the scholars know what should be there and what shouldn’t be there” say the creature and continue “we had a few surprise elements that we saw that they did no expect and now they’re trying to figure out where did that. Where could that” and that’s it and cut to other scene “next up the team is designing experiments to test some of the hypotheses they’ve made based on the data they’ve gathered – “We are going to make ourselves some inks. We are going to make ourselves some types, we are going to make ourselves some paper. We have paper, we have actually Korean paper, we have western paper and we are going to reconstruct some of the early printing ourselves and see what it does.

When the research complete the team will present their findings at the library of Congress in April

The best is the end of article

However, every scientist I talked with on the project made it clear that even if similarities between the two documents are found, it wouldn't definitively prove one technology influenced the other.



All the information they claim to have extracted, even if it were true, is useless.

 

[Frostychud]

I don't know if Miles Mathis reads this site or not, but in his most recent paper he hits the Toths.

https://mileswmathis.com/denver.pdf

Not only documents, but fake fossils too...full-spectrum fakery. Good catch on these people, Feralimal.

 

[ViniB]

What are the odds that these Toth people are involved with "documents" from the how low cost too?

Toth Family Papers - Collection | Virginia Holocaust Museum

 

[feralimal]

Thanks for posting the MM link.

I don't know if Miles Mathis reads this site or not, but in his most recent paper he hits the Toths.

https://mileswmathis.com/denver.pdf

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Not only documents, but fake fossils too...full-spectrum fakery. Good catch on these people, Feralimal.

The picture you posted is of Natalie Toth. This is a link to the video that MM references:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AtKjdo0yzI

This is what Miles says about Natalie Toth:

Just for fun, I studied the resume of this Natalie Toth. She was hired as the chief fossil preparer at Denver Museum in 2017, so she must have had extensive experience in the field and in the lab, right? Well. . . no. She was previously a workshop facilitator at the Museum in 2010 at age 23—so maybe an intern since she was still working on her Masters—then held several short-time positions in education. She was park paleontologist in the Petrified Forest for less than a year, but we aren't told if she was working on digs there. So we aren't sure what qualified her for this position as chief fossil preparer, though we can guess.

A people search also turned up possible paydirt on her, since her brother Peter Toth, 35, has Reston, Arlington and Herndon on his list, indicating he may be CIA or similar. There is a Peter Toth of Chantilly at LinkedIN, but his resume goes back to 1995, so he is apparently too old to be this Peter Toth. Maybe his uncle.

Toth is a Hungarian name, but she is related to Work, Sadecky, Krokaugger, Freund, Musiala, Gulan and Katawczik, indicating she is Jewish. Also notice she has two listings at Instantcheckmate, indicating some kind of double existence. But both must be her, since both are related to Marsha Toth (her mother) and both have Denver and Arizona on them. We can link her through the first one to Grahams, which helps since they are top peers from Scotland.

So, we have R. B. 'Bob' Toth (the father), M B 'Mike' Toth, Cynthia (Mike's sister) and Natalie who looks young - so probably from the third generation.

 

[Seiya]

This is what Miles says about Natalie Toth:

... Toth is a Hungarian name, but she is related to Work, Sadecky, Krokaugger, Freund, Musiala, Gulan and Katawczik, indicating she is Jewish

Every single time. Surprise? No at all

 

[Breizh]

I don't know if Miles Mathis reads this site or not, but in his most recent paper he hits the Toths.

I'd never actually looked at MM material till today, interesting. I did a search to see if anyone here had questioned MM's perspective and interpretation; I found this thread.

Mathis explains how all these famous people are part of the same groups of families. Mathis also demonstrates how various "famous events" were staged/faked.
Yet, Mathis keeps using the term "Phoenician", and, as stated, Mathis keeps telling us how physically attractive these "Phoenicians" are.
And, Mathis rejects and mocks the idea that "History" is falsified, as well as the idea of EGI.

So, what Mathis is essentially telling us is this:
These attractive, intelligent Phoenicians have been responsible for every significant event for the past 5 000 years. Every King, Queen, President, Prime Minister was a Phoenician. Every poet, playwright, philosopher, scientist architect, composer etc. of any significance was a Phoenician.

 

[iskander]

Every single time. Surprise? No at all

To be honest, I am fed up with Miles Mathis.
His "Jewish names" shtick is just intellectually lame and lazy.
Many of those names acutally refer to either origin or occupation.
According to Mathis I would be jewish as well - my surename falls into this cateory, and is explicitely mentioned in his scribblings regularly. (Although not in the given list ... )

 

[iskander]

The Toth's - system administrators of history?

I suppose a more worldly and less "catholic" organisation for the safe-keeping of documents that might threaten the current history narrative.
Just like the Vatican archives, to name it directly.