SH Archive Continent of Australia does not exist... as we know it

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2018-09-10 12:44:03
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Because longitude lines, unlike latitude, are not parallel.

Not sure what conclusions you can draw from that, if any. But it is interesting.
 
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Username: flameto
Date: 2018-09-14 18:30:43
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That is kinda weird. One moment it makes sense to me and another it doesn't. Maybe if I knew more about the development of navigation it would explain it.

Couldn't longitude prove/disprove flat/globe earth? In the southern hemisphere, if longitudinal lines come back together at a single southern point, we're on a globe. On the other hand, if they're found to keep expanding, it means we're on a flat surface. Does that make sense?

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Username: crystalcat
Date: 2019-02-09 13:03:09
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I watched a series of captivating videos of the two Egyptian guides of the Khemit school (Yuosef and Muhamed) translating the Gosford glyphs. They said they are authentic. There was use of certain style of glyphs that only a person of the time period would know.
This is part one.

 
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Username: JustWow
Date: 2019-02-24 17:29:56
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This reply is in reference to the map you posted from 1607, by Joseph Hall. Here is what I found: Terra Australis.

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With little or no evidence to confirm its existence, a vast southern continent (Terra Australis, “land of the south”) still figured prominently on European maps from the fifteenth to eighteenth centuries. The Greek philosopher Aristotle introduced (deduced) the idea that the earth had to be balanced: the northern mass (Arctic) must have a southern counterpart. Moreover, such a continent must extend into the temperate zone. The Greek cartographer Ptolemy began to codify the concept on his influential maps by showing the Indian Ocean enclosed by Africa, India, and a southern land. Bartolomeu Dias’s rounding of Africa’s Cape of Good Hope in 1488 only pushed the continent further south in the eastern hemisphere. After Ferdinand Magellan passed through the Strait of Magellan in 1520, mapmakers considered its southern side, often called Magellanica, to be part of the landmass that they had conjectured. Willem Corneliszoon Schouten and Jacques Le Maire’s 1616 expedition around South America’s Cape Horn had a “Dias” effect on subsequent western hemisphere maps: the southern land fell further south. Before Abel Tasman sailed “under” it in 1642, Australia held promise as the temperate part of such land.

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Untitled copperplate map, 20.7 × 24.5 cm. From Joseph Hall’s Mvndvs alter et idem siue Terra Australis ante hac semper incognita longis itineribus peregrini academici nuperrime lustrata (Frankfurt, 1607?). [Rare Books Division]

Bishop Joseph Hall of Norwich, England, mocked the idea of the southern continent in his book about the discovery of a new world. His satire included this world map, in which he divided Terra Australis into areas called Tenter-belly, Shee-landt (Womandecoia), Fooliana, and Theevingen, with provinces like Eat-allia, Drink-allia, Double-sex, Asse-sex, Cocks-combaya, and Shrewes-bourg.

The hypothetical continent, named Terra Australis Incognita on many maps, continued to change shape and size—often having no distinct shorelines—as European exploration of the Pacific Ocean advanced through the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. The systematic search by Captain James Cook on his second voyage in the 1770s finally proved that such land, by then greatly diminished, would only be found in the cold, uninhabitable, polar regions. That set the stage for the nineteenth- and twentieth-century European pursuit of Antarctica and the South Pole.

This is me talking now- I have tried to translate some of the words on the Hall Map- some words are Latin and some are Spanish- maybe Italian as well. I was unable to confirm that there are in fact satirical names- maybe someone else who is more familiar with these languages could help out here.
But the point I am trying to make is that main stream history is telling us that the reason these older maps have Australia and Antartica sort of mushed into one giant landmass is because "they" knew something must be there to balance the North Pole - which implies that there is/ was quite a bit of land at the North Pole, which they don't show us today. So they just drew something??
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-03-13 17:54:14
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No secret population of kangaroos. Just one from an exotic animal shelter that got loose. It's not the only one to have escaped though so we may see a kangaroo population here soon if the two fugitive kangaroos meet up.
 
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Username: Flame
Date: 2019-03-25 11:51:15
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Glad to.

Will probably break this up into a couple of posts. Fair bit to cover. Will start with the fences.
Will start by admitting I can't really say I've ever really thought too heavily about those rabbit or dingo fences before. We did cover them briefly during History class back in high school.

I know the rabbit one was straight up 100% useless. Either the Rabbits or any of the various other local Australian marsupials capable of burrowing were more than capable of getting under it if they really wanted to.

And as you've probably already guessed, the WA rabbit fence utterly failed in it's intended duty. The rabbits had already crossed over to the Western side of the fence before they'd even finished building it in 1907, making the whole thing utterly pointless.

About the only success those fences have seen over the years is stopping the Emus and Kangaroos.

As for peak Rabbit numbers it might amuse you that back in 2009 our local ABC network made quite the ludicrous claim that by the 1920's there were estimated to be over 10 billion wild rabbits in Australia. In typical fashion they provided no links to any sources or methods used to determine how they came up with that estimate.

And as for the other beasties, yes, Australia does have some pretty dangerous wildlife. The signs are there for a reason. People often ignore the warnings and end up getting seriously injured or killed. More often than not, the dangerous creatures commonly featured on the warning signs tend to be actively aggressive, so people should stay well clear of them.
Many are poisonous, and whilst fatalities are low, you still really don't want to get bitten or stung by some of these critters as their venom causes extreme pain and a whole host of other nasty symptoms.
It would be very easy to get around those fences. Whilst some sections of the rabbit and dingo fences have had their heights increased over the years, I'd say that's simply to keep the Kangaroos out of the more 'at risk' farmlands. The sections of fences in the more remote regions are still just simple basic fence lines using standard dog/chicken mesh wire, pretty much the same as you'd see on the typical farm. It would be very easy to jump/climb over for an able bodied human.

On top of that, a brief search on fence patrols and maintenance came up a description saying the patrol teams apparently only monitor their assigned sections twice a week. Each patrol team is assigned to a section of around 250 kilometers of fence line. If one was to work out their patrol timetable you could easily bypass them and get across the fence. Most of these fences back on to desert or cut through some of the larger inland cattle stations so it's unlikely anyone is going to have much of a reason to go out there in the first place.

And for what it's worth, despite all the pictures of "no trespassing" signs, I have never heard of any case of anyone being arrested or fined for trespassing over either fence.

When it comes to driving, as far as East - West goes there is nothing going straight through central Australia on the level of the horizontal line in the image you've posted. Both the main routes coming out of Perth/WA into the Northern Territory or South Australia go along the Northern or Southern coastlines respectively.
When my Dad moved from Perth to Sydney back in the early 1970's, he drove the whole way along the southern route. It took him just over a week to make the trip, with a couple of stops along the way.

As far as crossing over the North-South goes, I've had several extended family members take the trip up the Stuart Highway from Adelaide to Darwin. The Stuart Highway does cut right through the central part of Australia, almost directly in line with the vertical line from your image. As an Uncle of mine has proven, the Adelaide-Darwin trip can be done in 2 days if you have multiple drivers and don't bother stopping to rest or see any sights along the way.

Lastly, I have personally made a large number of "East Coast" trips travelling along all the various highways hugging the coastline from Melbourne to Cairns, and as far as I've experienced, the East coast as it appears on the modern day maps seems to be a pretty accurate match to real life.


To wrap this post up, given the fact this site has drastically reshaped my worldview over the past few days, I'm not going to rule out any potential shenanigans by the government attempting to hide something with the Rabbit and Dingo fences, but in this case I'd say it's unlikely these fences have anything sinister behind them. They're too easy for people to cross them if they really want to.

It's more than likely these fences are just another badly thought out idea from our government - ever since Australia was first settled by Europeans those in charge of the government have had a long running track record of coming up with terrible and costly ideas to try and solve the various problems of their day. If we were lucky their efforts were simply useless, more often than not their efforts managed to cause even more problems (See "Cane toads" for a prime example).

Rather than those fences, if there really was anything sinister going on in central Australia I'd be inclined to think it would be more along the lines of secret military bases or labs or something else along those lines, hidden out in the wilderness where no-one is ever likely to go looking. Someone could easily hide away out there for many many years without anyone being the wiser.
 
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Username: WarningGuy
Date: 2019-03-25 16:42:12
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Hi all im new here today and lived most of my life just outside of Melbourne. I have driven from Melbourne to Perth and back and also driven from Melbourne to Cape York North Queensland and back. What i want to say is if you look at the map of Australia they are about the same in distance from Melbourne. It was a few years ago and now wish i had of kept records of both trips but i didnt. Anyway It took easy twice as long to get to Cape York than it did to get over to Perth so work that one out.
 
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Username: Moriarty
Date: 2019-03-25 19:25:16
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Is that equal distance as the crow flies or taking into account the roads?
 
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Username: WildFire2000
Date: 2019-03-26 04:31:46
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Because, on a globe, by following them north and/or south, the curvature of the roundness .. of it all. You follow them to the convergence of the ball's top and bottom.
 
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Username: Safranek
Date: 2019-04-09 21:57:18
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Interesting thread. I won't comment on the maps as many have already expressed my own dilemma regarding the timelines.

Instead I am posting a couple of links to videos I found to be enlightening, once again leading back to research backing the concept of one world language in ancient times. I've watched a few documentaries on Aboriginal history in the past but I found these to be the most informative. Although it is mostly about New Zealand it's not too far from home.

Skeletons in the Cupboard. Episode 1. Redheads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_inGOubEg

Skeletons in the Cupboard. Episode 2. Under The Carpet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15ROUH3gAQ

It seems that history has been systematically altered everywhere to fit a narrative leading to confusion and ignorance. It is as if we're racing against time to put the pieces of the puzzle together and awaken a critical mass before the TPTB manage to completely close all avenues of independent research.
 
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Username: WarningGuy
Date: 2019-04-10 12:17:16
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Yes they are about equal distance as the crow flies and on the road. As you can see on this map Melbourne to Perth and Melbourne to Cairns.

 
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Username: Ronan
Date: 2019-04-13 04:38:48
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The road to Cape York is slower than to Perth because you aren't just on a freeway heading mostly-straight the whole time. Especially as you get near Queensland and need to detour around the mountain range. I could be wrong. Source: am from Melbourne
 
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Username: WarningGuy
Date: 2019-04-13 14:22:23
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Gday Ronan i used to live in Melbourne and did the road trip 3 time to Perth and back and to twice up the Cairns. The roads are pretty good driving up north now to what they used to be and yes it is a bit more driving involved but why is it then it takes twice as long to get to Cairns as it does to get to Perth ? I also use the inland roads as its a lot quicker. It should not take twice as long and that it does. The only thing i think it might be is the Peters World Atlas is closer to the mark than the one we are shown.
 
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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2019-04-27 09:14:17
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I always thought Australia could use an old map in which it is connected to Antarctica to follow China's example and claim the whole "bottom" of the world (whatever that may be) for it's own. ?
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-05-22 01:08:02
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Actually I have done quite a bit of research on the discovery of Australia. I believe that I can prove that it was originally discovered by Celts, in about 285 - 275 BC. They were part of the bodyguard group for the Greek Pharoah, and when discovered rifling through his famous library collection, they were sentenced to banishment on an island in the north of Egypt. I have translated markings from caves in the area, and they are most definitely from that time and people.
 
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Username: Eternity13
Date: 2019-07-08 12:46:53
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I have driven all around Australia - literally. I have done East to West three times , up the middle twice, around the outside on the East Coast several times, North to South on the west coast once. You can do West to East in around 4 days (3,900km / 2,500 miles approx) and North to South in about the same time (4,440km / 2748 miles). To cover that much distance in four days means some hard core driving. Not that it is much fun doing it that way. I did most of my traveling by myself with several children so took me a bit longer but we would still do about 10 hours driving a day and cover some serious distances. By myself I could do 2,800km in a day and a half.
I know husbands and wives (with kids) who do West to East in less than three days by driving in shifts almost non stop = fun factor zero in my opinion but they are pretty chill like it is no big deal and reckon it is the only way to do it.
I have a friend who did several hundred km of the Rabbit Fence - it is in the middle of nowhere basically so unless you have a hard core 4 wheel drive, several spare tyres and lots of water but for the average person it is pretty much a no go zone with temps 40 - 50 degrees.

Some borders are marked. Some borders are patrolled and you have to stop and throw away fruit/honey/veges due to bringing in bugs / bacteria / fungus (which is nonsensical to me). There are different road rules so if you cross the border where the speed limit changes for towing vehicles there will be a sign up pertaining to that letting you know you. Mostly it is pretty much a non event when you 'cross the borders'. I drove Darwin to Albany - North to South, and would not see one single other car for 10 hours of driving. There were road 'trains' - trucks with up to 4 huge trailers - they are not allowed in suburban areas only in the Outback (the name of remote deserted areas of Australia).

Just cause I have driven it doesn't really prove anything other than it IS truly huge. I think the whole seven continents story is just that - a story. As a side note, there are stories around that New Zealand has shifted position but it would have to have taken place before 1950's as my family (my parents) and I have been traveling between the two since then and the distances/times remain the same. I am skeptical of the Mandela affect. I have driven from the tip of the North Island of New Zealand to bottom of the South Island. My sister recently walked from the tip of the North Island to the bottom of the South Island of New Zealand.

The red lines depict (roughly) the routes I have driven.

Inkedmap_of_australia_LI smaller size.jpg
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-07-10 17:22:14
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Some of them seem to represent something more than random symbols, but I agree 100% that they were faked. They look like phrases from books stitched together to give the appearance of a message, but they do not.
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I also drove from Sydney to Cairns, in 1984. Big country, but not too many people actually drive the east to west portion, as you have, unless they live there and have a need to.
 
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Username: Samson4prez
Date: 2019-07-30 18:16:53
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Definitely a fish eye lens like everything seen in space... It makes the horizon look curved... If you stare out over the ocean it looks curved but thats because of are eyes... Pictures tell a different story.
 
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Username: Tool18
Date: 2019-08-06 01:21:31
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I really would like to understand the reasoning behind this because I have literally travelled all round Australia. I go to a lot doof festivals and they take me everywhere. I also have done Brisbane to Adelaide and back a countless number of times. The place is HUGE! I moved here from england snd it truly is massive. I still get surprised at how big it is. and when you go inland past the mountain ranges its unbelievable how flat it is out there, feel like you can see forever (I am not a flat earther).

I have driven to west before from Brisbane but Ill never do that again. hit a kangaroo on the way and f**ked my front end up. It is just such a long drive its brutal. I can do some long drives but that is a brutal one.
 
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