zlax,
Had I been American, I would have pumped my fists in the air when I read your post and shouted: "yes, yes, YES!".
That's how excited I became when I saw you cite William Dodd as a character - a player - in a fraudulent episode in the history of English as a written language.
Not being American, I limited myself to bouncing up and down in my chair, then walking very briskly around the table several times. Less cinematic but just as necessary to burn off the emotional energy generated by reading your post and your link to mudraya_ptica at
про Джона С..
Why?
Because a year ago we had a chance encounter with the same William Dodd. He was clearly involved - or created - as part of a pattern of frauds. Once detected, that pattern reveals part of the system used to 'sell' history fraud to the public. It also enables some other conjectures.
Our encounter with William Dodd was written up in the SH.org archive here:
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/did-old-english-really-morph-into-modern-english.3412/post-29948
Familiariaty with that post will help make sense of my additions below. But I fear it will not machine-translate into Russian very well. This because I discovered the fraud-patterns while writing it. And its flippant style reflects my amazement as the patterns were revealed.
The important thing is that we can now add to that post. I posted one or two additions to it on to the old site, but they did not make it through the transition to this site. So I have included that second post in the new text below. With the additions before and after it, they add more flesh to the William Dodd entity, and to the narrative tactics used by his creators. In my opinion, they are relevant to all of us, and perhaps particularly to Russians.
One thing to bear in mind while reading these posts is that Bourne, Stamford, Castor, Peterborough and Sleaford (home of Cranwell RAF base) are all within a day's horse-ride from each other. Probably less than an hour as the dirigible flies.
So, to get started with the additions:
It is worth paying attention to the words and phrases used in
William 'Bill' Cecil's Wakipedia current (2020-12-16) profile:
- His pedigrees were "*elaborated* by Cecil himself".
- A "family pedigree *painted* at Theobalds."
- "Cecil generously contributed his notes for Patten's *narrative*, The Expedition into Scotland."
- "It was the conscious and unconscious aim of the age to *reconstruct a new landed aristocracy on the ruins of the old*..."
The profile is laced with clues about the truth. One only has to learn how to read it. We soon come across an example when we see that William 'Bill' Cecil's mum was Jane Heckington, daughter of William 'Bill VIII' Heckington. Heckington, of course, is a village north of Bourne, towards Sleaford.
Every associate and entity mentioned in William 'Bill' Cecil's profile - starting with William Camden - can be researched to quickly reveal oddnesses - and similarities - in the constructed edifice of British - and this subsequently colonised globe's - history.
Rather than divert off into William Camden, let's take a quick look at
Robert 'Bob' Manning's profile. We discover that Manning copied earlier British history allegedly written and/or translated by
Peter de Langtoft.
It would be cynical to wonder if Wakipedia is telling the truth when it tells us that 'English historian and chronicler'
Peter de Langtoft popularised the foundational British history story (the Brutus story) after copying it from an earlier source.
Why?
- Well, partly because we already know the 'monk copies earlier source' story hides a problematic truth concerning forged 'ancient' documents.
- And partly because
Wakipedia's current Peter de Langtoft profile tells us Peter took his last name from 'the small village of Langtoft in the East Riding of Yorkshire' (near Bridlington).
Why should we doubt that? Partly because the Wakipedia page's author deemed this factoid important enough to include in the first line of Peter's current profile. And partly because we showed in earlier posts that last names linked to Bourne's "writers/plotters" tend to be copied from the names of villages close to Bourne. So, our pattern recognition abilities tell us that the creators of the Peter de Langtoft character probably *did* name him after a village called Langtoft. But the village was probably not the Langtoft near Bridlington, as Wakipedia claims. More likely, it was the Langtoft situated five miles south of Bourne.
Looking at
Peter de Langtoft's profile, we see he translated and popularised the Brutus-founded-Britain story, as well as the Norman invasion story. If I recall correctly, Fomenko ran statistics over the these two invasion stories. Fomenko discovered they were disconcertingly similar to each other. To that finding we can add: the alleged Peter de Langtoft allegedly translated Britain's alleged founding story from the alleged
Wace's chronicle *Roman de Brut*. We only need to add that 'Wace' looks etymologically like 'Wake'. And 'Wake' reminds us of Hereward the Wake, leader of the resistance against the Normans. Losing the battle, Hereward the Wake sought refuge in... Bourne.
We also find that
one 19th Century novel about Hereward the Wake pits him single-handedly fighting a polar bear. Russian readers may find interesting similiarities with that in
levhudoi's Contradictions - St Petersburg piece.
Speaking of Peters... there's St Peter's Pond in Bourne - a duck-pond built on top of seven drinking-water springs. It's odd how Bourne is 20 miles north of mudflooded Peterborough, which sits on the River Nene (not the Neva, though the two words do look similar). And that the Nene flows on towards flat, wet Fenland (not towards flat, wet Finland, though the two words do look similar).
It feels as though a mirror has reflected names, places, people and polar bear fights from the eastern Baltic coast on to the eastern English coast. Leaving only the granite and the glamorous gigantic structures behind. And that is without getting into the stories in both locations of the horse-mounted hero who fought a serpent/dragon with a lance/spear. Though we will return to serpents and dragons.
Can we extract even more last name oddness from the 1605 Gunpowder Plot than we did in January this year?
The narrative tells us that the plot was financed by Sir Everard Digby. Digby... whose last name may well have come from a village a few miles north of Bourne called, well, Digby. (I won't go into how Digby's first name may have come from Everard Papworth, a village about 30 miles south of Bourne, which one would pass through on the way to the home in Stanningsfield, Suffolk, of Digby's co-conspirator Robert 'Bob IV' Rookwood).
Now, would we be cynical if we noticed that Digby's
narrative biography has him living just the other side of Stamford (the location of the William 'Bill' Cecil's Burghley House) in Stoke Dry, Rutland. Or that Digby was knighted at nearby Belvoir Castle. We note in passing that there is a reason 'Stoke' was called 'Dry'. But that reason only comes into view when one recalls that Peterborough still shows evidence of mudflood and that nearby Castor (as in:
Clueless Historians) is built on top of a mass of mud-covered ruins.
Moving from Elizabethan times towards the present... In a later addition to the
first Bourne/Manning/Orm/Dodd/Cecil/Shakespeare post on StolenHistory.org, we found Bourne had been home to mysterious 20th Century writer Frederic Manning. Manning was supported by a London-based entity called Olivia Shakespeare. Among others.
I think the Frederic Manning post did not make it through the loss of StolenHistory.org, so I have posted it below in full. I am not sure the quoting will maintain the sense of it but let's see what we get:
We find another Bourne-based writer named Manning:
Frederic Manning (22 July 1882 – 22 February 1935) was an Australian poet and novelist.
Using the template provided in the original post above, guess his dad's first name.
Yes, his dad is 'Bill VII'.
Bill VII''s son Frederic Manning was apparently a not-great poet and not-great writer. But, according to Bourne journalist Rex Needle, his writing was appreciated by:
select literary circles including that of Olivia Shakespeare
Another Shakespeare!
We also note from his Wakipedia profile that many of Frederic Manning's
very researchable literary contacts were on the "mankind needs management" side of politics, rather than the "mankind needs help" side.
Back to Manning. Frederic Manning that is, not Robert 'Bob' Manning. Like Orm the Preacher and Robert 'Bob' Manning, Frederic Manning lived with clergy - specifically the vicar of nearby Edenham, Rev Arthur Galton - though Frederic Manning was not clergy himself. Like Orm and Robert 'Bob' Manning he was into morality and 'synne' - specifically: heavy drinking - and, like Orm and Robert 'Bob' Manning, he was into writing about history and morality in verse.
From
Frederic Manning - Wikipedia,
...his first book, The Vigil of Brunhild, which was a monologue written in verse. Scenes and Portraits followed in 1909, which was a discussion of religious topics written in the form of a series of debates in which those taking part are leading lights from the past, such as Socrates, Francis of Assisi and Thomas Cromwell.
Just as Bourne's Dr William 'Bill IV' Dodd was a fraud, we can't dismiss that one or more of the above was involved in fabricating history. That's not fraud; it's just... management.
And if any of Frederic Manning's work reminds you of the work of JRR Tolkien (some of whose family live nearby) or of claims that JRR Tolkien made up some of the historical poetry he 'translated' - a claim made about Beowulf, for example - then there are similarities but that's all. Not to mention that the JRR Tolkien's Desolation of Smorg story seems to be rooted in Lincolnshire's (and Belgium's) Byard's Leap stories.
Moving on... There is a whiff of espionage about Manning's later life:
> in 1923 Manning took a commission from
his publisher John Murray to write The Life of Sir William White, a biography of the man who, as Director of Naval Construction, led the build-up of the Royal Navy in the last years of the nineteenth century.
Details of publisher John Murray's business biography - and the biographies of others among
his authors, such as George Crabbe - either stretch credulity or rhyme rather too closely with the Bourne authors and bigwigs discussed here.
> He lived for much of the time at the Bull Hotel in Bourne, apart from a short spell when he owned a farmhouse in Surrey.
Which farmhouse, where in Surrey? How did he acquire the purchase price? Why only a short spell?
> At this time he was friendly with T. E. Lawrence, then serving in the Royal Air Force at RAF Cranwell, some twenty miles (a motorcycle ride) from where Manning was living.
RAF Cranwell is very roughly 20 miles from Bourne, so 'At this time' must mean between August 1925 and December 1926, when Lawrence was based at RAF Cranwell (Sleaford). Lawrence later wrote about riding the A15 Roman 'Ermine Street' at speed on a Brough motorbike during this time. I take it I don't have to explain that TE Lawrence was a bit more than a 'soldier'.
> In 1926 he (Frederic Manning) contributed the introduction to an edition of Epicurus's Morals: Collected and faithfully Englished by Walter Charleton, originally published in 1656,
More historical morals, this time introduced by our clerically-attached, drink-loving, verse-writer.
In 1929, Frederic Manning's - The Middle Parts of Fortune - was first published. Like Orm and Robert 'Bob' Manning before him, Frederic Manning writes "in the vernacular", this time about the lives of ordinary soldiers. Strangely, his one best-selling work, was first published anonymously, authored by 'Private 19022'. Various accounts of the book credit TE Lawrence with figuring out who the real author was. Amazing that busy TE Lawrence read it at all - especially as 1929 was an 'unsettled' time in his life - let alone that he recognised his friend's army number.
Focusing first on Frederic Manning's link with entities named Shakespeare. The current version of William 'Bill II' Shakespeare currently says Shakespeare was an illiterate wool merchant-turned-playwright. Which fits in nicely with him being invented by people who were making a (very good) living from the wool trade. People possibly living on and around the wool-producing heath that runs north from Stamford past Bourne. Passing, as it does so, Tolethorpe Hall and Witham on the Hill. Coincidentally, Tolethorpe Hall is owned by
The Stamford Shakespeare Company and has - I am told - hosted Shakespeare plays since the 19th century.
While writing this post I discovered that
Deborah Defoe claims Robert 'Bob II' Cecil's half brother Thomas Cecil wrote Shakespeare's works. So my suggestion last January that the Cecils fabricated Shakespeare is probably better dealt with by her. I'm both sad and happy that someone else also realised that Shakespeare was a Cecil-fabricated project. I hope she is ordinary hoi polloi like me.
Regardless, in 1864, Tolethorpe Hall was owned by
a banker called Charles *Ormston* Eaton. Ormston, you say? It's well worth researching the word 'Orm'. As a word, as a prefix in names, as a suffix in names, and for its banking and 'creative writing' links. We already caught one of them: Bourne's "Orm the Preacher". Not to mention its older meaning of worm, serpent, sea-serpent, and dragon.
One wonders if some event occurred in the late 18th/early 19th centuries. Perhaps the climate turned much colder around that time. If so, it is possible that esporting wool from eastern England into Europe became very profitable. Perhaps an event occurred that is forgotten (too few survivors perhaps) but which is associated with serpents, dragons, destruction and much death. Less well-known, perhaps it preceded the invention of three new religions and the creation of a new 'landed aristocracy'. All of which was then shoved back in time by the creation of various new narratives about 'old' history.
I could post several links that analyse evidence that the climate cooling did occur. As could Russian readers. I could take two of mine from mainstream British TV. For it is true that they mock us, all the time. But right now, let's look for more evidence of narrative patterns - and their outcomes - right up until a few days ago.
In
the first post, we noticed similarities between Britain's 1605 Gunpowder Plot and Germany's 1933 Reichstag Fire. Older locals in Stamford, Lincolnshire say Goering used to visit friends at nearby Witham on the Hill. And apparently, he played golf on 'Easton golf course'. Easton golf course means
Burghley Park Golf Club. Its website does not mention any visits by Goering. But it is hard to believe Goering had no contact with the political elites living nearby. Especially given Stamford's links with pre-WWII fascism. Those links still provide a shiver of horror for tourists, which is why one of them is still mentioned by Stamford tour guides today. For example,
in this interview. (Along with a few other close-but-not-quite-on-topic items.)
So, we have a known writer-spy possibly being trained out of nearby RAF Cranwell (TE Lawrence), a probable agent-of-influence knocking around in right-wing literary circles (Frederic Manning), a German Nazi (Goering), and various British nazis who - but for one named in that Stamford Guides interview - go unrecognised.
Could Cecil-financed or Cecil-related entities really have continued plotting new narratives from 'Elizabethan' times right up to the 1930s and 1940s?
Let's look at Operation Barbarossa.
Just for anyone who doesn't know, I cited FW Winterbotham's 'The Nazi Connection' (re-published - more or less - as 'The Ultra Spy') on the original StolenHistory.org board. Winterbotham wrote that he himself learned about Operation Barbarossa at about 11:00 AM on 28 February 1934, while working in air intelligence for SIS/MI6. And that he learned it directly from Hitler in a meeting arranged by Alfred Rosenberg. And that Operation Barbarossa's planners told him the finer details a few days later, during a dinner arranged for the purpose by Alfred Rosenberg. Pin the names Winterbotham and Rosenberg in your memory for a few minutes.
And bear in mind, 28 February 1934 is six years before the planning of Operation Barbarossa began, according to today's historians.
I mention this partly to help free us from the idea that Operation Barbarossa was some last-minute whim pursued from August 1940 onwards by a frustrated Hitler. Many Westerners - especially Western history students - actually believe that was the case. Personally I think it is entirely possible that Walt Disney really did play Hitler. However, it is not the actors I am looking at here. It is the patterns in the plots, the creators of the plots and the gullibility inherent in believing the plots.
In the English-speaking world, the mainstream narrative of the Barbarossa decision avoids mentioning FW Winterbotham's account of Barbarossa's much earlier planning. It also leaves out other accounts that blast a hole through the official version, such as 'On a Field of Red' by Cave Brown and MacDonald. Examples... If we look at a modern history student writing about the politics behind the decision, we find dissertations like this:
Nazi Ideology and the Pursuit of War Aims: 1941-45. by Kenneth B Burgess II, 2014.
and this:
The Failure of Operation Barbarossa: Truth versus Fiction by Vincent J Castano. (Top line of page three is a laugh.)
Both cite as a source:
Hitler’s Decision to Invade Russia 1941. London, UK: Davis Poynter, 1975. Presumably at the direction of their professors and possibly with the help of college library staff.
Hitler's Decision contains the standard western anglophone understanding of Operation Barbarossa. It was written by diplomat, spy, historian, and 'new religionist' Robert - that's 'Bob V' - Cecil (1913-1994).
I say 'new religionist' because I don't know of a generally agreed British-English word that captures the PD Ouspensky, Idries Shah, Esalon, Terence McKenna, CIA, etc school of divinity. Some use 'spiritualist' but in British English that translates as 'mediums snorting ectoplasm'. So I'll use 'new religionist' for now.
When we look at
Robert 'Bob V' Cecil's Wakipedia biography, we learn he was born in Bournemouth on 25 March 1913. Elsewhere, among his many obituaries, we learn that he was assistant to SIS head 'C' from 1943-1945. That he was a friend and biographer of Donald Maclean (of 'Cambridge Five' spies fame). Oh, and that at one point he was "Director-General of British Information Services".
British Information Services? At a guess, that particular entity went forth and multiplied as much and perhaps even more than the post-Elizabethan Cecils, but that's a different line of research. Here we are testing if the author of *Hitler's Decision* could have come from a family that apparently created the British Information Services of Elizabethan times. Along with creating: probably John Dee; certainly British Colonialism - starting with England's newly-created peasants, and on up to, possibly the Second World War.
Robert 'Bob V' Cecil's career tells us he probably wasn't born and brought up on a council estate ('public housing' as they say in the US). But we don't find anything about his parentage. So, let's see: born in Southbourne, Bournemouth, Dorset, England. Although that is phonetically close to Bourne, Lincolnshire, it is a physically distant from Bourne (and Burghley House, Stamford). At least by British standards. But after some searching, we find
Robert 'Bob' Cecil's side of the Cecil family moved to Bournemouth. Their males are now more usually known as 'The Marquess of Salisbury'.
It is no great shock to see that the genealogy chart on that Wikiwand page includes an 'Ormsby' a few generations back.
We also note that Robert 'Bob V' Cecil's promotion of new religion (trans-Atlantic flights apparently to hear Ouspensky speak, support for
Idris Shah's Institute for Cultural Research) shows Cecil running on parallel tracks with more recent 'official family' Cecils. Primarily Martin Cecil, who promoted
the Emissaries of Divine Light. One for US readers there.
And when we remember Robert 'Bob V' also wrote a book about Rosenberg and Nazy mythology, then, while we don't find Robert 'Bob V' Cecil on the Cecil family tree, I think we can say he was, probably, one of
the story-writing Cecils.
And yet, even more curious coincidences follow. Rosenberg's pal Winterbotham brought his early knowledge of Operation Barbarossa back to SIS/MI6. I suspect SIS/MI6 were already well aware but that's another story. Regardless, SIS/MI6 then gave Winterbotham a project: find out more about German re-armament, become even friendlier with its head honchos and sell them aircraft parts - engines and stuff - if possible.
Winterbotham had already been partnered up for the Rosenberg project with a Russian-speaking Balt called Baron de Ropp (DYOS - do your own searching here or I will be writing forever). That's a whole story in itself, which Winterbotham describes in his books. From this partnership, the coincidences keep coming. As Britain's peerage might put it: "they had issue".
1. First, a gentle, humourous coincidence. From his writings, Winterbotham was, clearly, very fond of the ladies, marriage not presenting a boundary. And after WWII he became a sheep farmer. These two interests are not entirely unlike the various profiles one reads of Cecil family members.
2. 'De Ropp' is phonetically identical to 'Derop', as in 'The Derop Affair'. Again, DYOS, but for those who won't, think 'Russian oil'. Or - and it is your call - 'Soviet oil'.
3. I suspect that de Ropp kept the Soviet Union informed through the 1930s of the details of upcoming events. But that's a suspicion, and barely a conjecture. It could stand up only if the elites running the various nations genuinely opposed each other.
4. After the war, de Ropp moved to the US and worked for what I think of as the State Department. I am fudging a bit here because this is already a long post and these things take a lot of time to write up. Also, the more interesting coincidence is de Ropp's son, Robert.
Robert 'Bob VI' de Ropp got into Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, etc, and wrote several books about self mastery as a means to enlightenment. He moved to northern California, but that probably doesn't need saying. Again, please DYOS, the details are not hard to find. But one has to wonder how Robert 'Bob VI' de Ropp - like any non-academic writer - really funded himself. Researching and writing books takes up even more time - and imposes even more opportunity costs - than writing StolenHistory posts.
So, I don't know what to make of it all. We talked about coincidences and where they come from last time around. I enjoy Ouspensky - his interpretations of us are much closer to my experiences than, say, Freud's. But having read most of de Ropp's books, I can say that de Ropp's efforts didn't make him as entirely human as I understand 'entirely human' to be.
I also think the dissolution of the monasteries was a very different event that it is portrayed. For many reasons, so I will hint at just two and be very brief:
1. Henry the VIII is a bunch of paintings, old costumes and a script. So is theatre.
2. Old Lincolnshire documents often contain complaints by the locals about the monks that now 'manage' and 'rent' the land at extortionate rates. As though a new, 'divine' aristocracy had colonised the former commons.
I am pretty certain that various Wakipedia profiles were enhanced with more information after I wrote
the original post. Peter de Langtoft being one of them. Why would I mention this? Because after
the StolenHistory posts singled out the 'Bill, Bob, Bourne, Cecil, and Shakespeare' phenomenon, and which was linked on Reddit, I received a cryptic PM. With apologies, I have forgotten who sent it. It said something like: "you would be amazed at who reads StolenHistory's posts". I could never work out if it was a warning, an acknowledgement, or both.
Oh, I said I would bring all this up to date. On 8 December this year, the second UK person to receive the (rushed) Covid vaccine was named as
William 'Bill IX' Shakespeare. Of course, he is from Warwickshire. At least, according to the
British Information Services BBC's narrative.
