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Just a bit more for the discussion.In “Three Views Concerning Human Knowledge” Popper set out from the conflict between the Church and Galileo Galilei and wrote that the former had “no objection to Galileo’s teaching the mathematical theory, so long as he made it clear that its value was instrumental only; that it was nothing but a ‘supposition’, as Cardinal Bellarmine put it; or a‘mathematical hypothesis’ – a kind of mathematical trick, ‘invented and assumed in order to abbreviate and ease calculations’.” 6
Popper (1956 [1963] 98, n. 2) considered Osiander and Cardinal Bellarmine among the “founding fathers of the epistemology which … I am
going to call ‘instrumentalism’.” {Opposed to the 'Realists' like Galileo}
Duhem and Popper thus joined hands in recognizing as instrumentalists some historical figures. But whereas for the former Osiander and
Bellarmine were the “good guys,” the latter hastened to contrast them with his own positive hero, Galileo Galilei: “Galileo himself, of course,
was very ready to stress the superiority of the Copernican system as an instrument of calculation. But at the same time he conjectured, and even believed, that it was a true description of the world; and for him (as for the Church) this was by far the most important matter” (Popper 1956 [1963] 98, italics in the original).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229474792_'Instrumentalism'_and_'Realism'_as_Categories_in_the_History_of_Astronomy_Duhem_vs_Popper_Maimonides_vs_Gersonides
"Copernicus studied at the University of Kraków and then travelled to Italy to study canon law at the University of Bologna and medicine at the University of Padua. Through all this time he was also studying and thinking about astronomy. Upon his return to Poland, Copernicus served as secretary and physician to his uncle, who also obtained a position for him as canon of Frombork (or Frauenberg) Cathedral. When his uncle’s died, Copernicus took up his duties as cathedral canon and remained in Frombork for most of the rest of his life. Though an official of the Church, it is doubtful whether Copernicus was ever ordained to the priesthood."
Nicolaus Copernicus - The Society of Catholic Scientists
The Jesuits were founded in 1534.
Lots up for investigation I agree.
The Jesuits & The Globe Earth: The Mother Of All Conspiracies!
"At the very time Copernicus was resisting appeals to publish his theory of a heliocentric solar system, the Roman Catholic Church was waging war on the new Protestantism. Catholics admit the “Counter Reformation” was “an effort to stem the tide of Protestantism by genuine reform within the Catholic Church.” The Jesuit order was established in 1540 under the approval of Pope Paul III—the very pope with whom Copernicus had corresponded regarding calendar reform and to whom Copernicus dedicated his book, Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies!
It cannot be overstated: the Catholic Church was the force behind Copernicus, persistently urging the reluctant cleric to spread abroad his heliocentric theories that contradicted Scripture."
Galileo as we're told, was punished for pushing this heliocentric view: Paradox? Maybe there's a deeper agenda over centuries ...
Let's remember : "The author of the Big Bang theory was none other than the Jesuit-trained priest, Father Georges Lemaître. On October 28, 2014, Sarah Kerr reported on Pope Francis’ address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. In his remarks, the pontiff “said the Big Bang theory is compatible with the Catholic Church’s teaching on creation.” Pope Francis stated: “The Big Bang, that today is considered to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the creative intervention of God; on the contrary, it requires it.” He is a Jesuit of course.
I'm not taking sides but there's something being hidden behind all this blabber and smoke ...
