RFK Jr:
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Well, I think, you know, look, what's happened in this country over the last year, is kind of this bizarre imposition of totalitarian controls:
- the deconstruction of the constitution,
- the rise of censorship,
- the rise of suppression of religious freedoms, of property rights,
- closing a million businesses without just compensation, without due process,
- the abolition of jury trials, which are guaranteed by the sixth and seventh amendments, for any vaccine company that hurts you.
All of these, and the rise of kind of track and trace surveillance state, has been troubling to people--of democrats, republicans--people who support vaccines, people who oppose them--are looking at what's happened.
And I felt like I was in a unique position, um, to interpret and to explain what happened.
- I was an environmental lawyer for forty years, so I understand all of these mechanisms of corporate capture by which the regulatory agencies assert control over--I mean the the main regulating industries assert control over the agencies that regulate them, and essentially turn them into sock puppets.
- And, I've been working on vaccine issues since 2005, and the kind of regulatory capture they use in that space is really capture on steroids, because these agencies--FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies in the industry.
"""
Carlson: "Wait a minute, the FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies?"
RFK Jr:
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From pharmaceutical companies. And it's like, if EPA got half its budget from the coal companies, if you can imagine, what the reg--. I spent probably 20% of the lawsuits of the hundreds of lawsuits that I brought as an environmental lawyer against EPA were for sweetheart arrangements, for giving permits to oil companies that were illegal. And if you can imagine how much worse that capture would be if half the EPA's budget came from oil and gas companies. That's what you're dealing with in the pharmaceutical space.
Not only that, CDC, which is another of the HHS sub-agencies, spends 4.9 billion dollars annually of its 12 billion dollare budget on buying and distributing vaccines. So, it's really a vaccine company. It's not a regulatory agency. That's about 40% of its budget.
NIH--CDC has vaccine patents. So, the vaccines that it's pushing, it had 57 vaccine patents, it's making royalties on--and NIH has thousands of patents, many of them for vaccines. For example, Tony Fauci's agency owns half the Moderna patent, and stands to make billions and billions of dollars on sales of the Moderna vaccine. Four of Tony Fauci's top aides also have patent rights to Moderna. So, Tony Fauci can assign patent rights to his favored, you know, loyalists within his agency, and they then get to keep 150,000 dollars per year for the rest of their lives on a product they are supposed to be regulating. Tony Fauci owns patents on drugs that he has developed.
And so, it's--the regulatory function has been essentially subsumed by the commercial and mercantile aspects of vaccine production and vaccine manufacturing and vaccine uptake. And if you--within HHS, the way you get promotions, and raises, and salary, bonuses, etc--is by contributing to the crusade for vaccine uptake. You do not get promoted for finding problems with vaccines. And that is actually what we, as the tax payer, are paying these regulators to do, but they're not doing it.
And so, I had a kind of unique perspective on what was happening at the beginning of 2020 and was able to kind of predict how they were going to handle this, how they would suppress. I've watched Tony Fauci--I've known Tony Fauci for years.
"""
Carlson: "You know Fauci personally."
RFK Jr:
"""
Yeah, I've met Fauci personally, but my family has these deep entanglements with these health agencies. My, um, my, my uncle, my uncles literally wrote legislation that created a lot of these agencies. My uncle Teddy, for fifty years, was the Chair of the Health Committee, so he was writing the budgets for Tony Fauci and Francis Collins and all these agencies for years. Some of the key institutions within NIH and HHS are named for members of my family. Eunice Shriver, and my grandmother, Rose Kennedy.
And, you know, we've had these deep entanglements. So, I know Tony Fauci. But I also am very conscious of the fact that these--these officials--really do not do public health so much as pharmaceutical production.
Tony Fauci has transformed NIH into an incubator for pharmaceutical products. He's supposed to be doing--what Congress intended him to do--is to try to track the etiology of
- allergic diseases, and
- chronic diseases, and
- infections diseases,
and then figure out--do the kind of science we need to stop those diseases.
There's been, since he came in in 1968, we've gone from about six percent of Americans having chronic disease to, by 2006, fifty-four percent.
"""
Carlson: "Whu whoa wha, what?"
RFK Jr:
"""
What I mean by chronic disease, there's three major categories--and obesity. But one is neurodevelopmental diseases. ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, ticks, Tourette Syndrome, nacrolepsy, ASD, and autism. If you're my age--I'm sixty-seven years old--I never heard of any of those diseases when I was a kid, and I didn't know anybody. You know, I was around, when I was at the speartip of working with people with intellectual disabilities; my family started Special Olympics. I never saw an autistic kid prior to 1989. I still don't know a single person my age who has full-blown autism. By that I mean non-verbal, not toilet trained, head-banging, toe walking. In my generation it's about one in ten thousand who have autism. In my kids' generation, according to CDC, it's about 1 in 34--1 in every 22 boys.
Tony Fauci's job is to figure out why that happened.
And because, when Congress said to EPA--tell us the year the autism epidemic began, EPA scientists came back and said, "1989". So, but, when, 1989 was also--they said there was a red line that year. And when, 1989, a lot of other stuff started, like food allergies. I didn't--I had eleven siblings, and about seventy first cousins. I didn't know anybody with food allergy. Peanut allergy? Why do five of my kids have food allergies? Um, eczema, the allergic--you have a neurodevelopment disease, you have the allergic diseases--like asthma, eczema, anaphylaxis food allergies--peanut allergies, all the food allergies, exploded, beginning in 1989.
The, and then the last category is autoimmune diseases, like rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes. I didn't know anybody with diabetes when I was a kid. Today, there's diabetic kids in every classroom. There's about seventy autoimmune diseases that have become, at some level, epidemic since 1989.
Tony Fauci's job is to tell us where they're coming form. We know it has to be an environmental toxin. Because genes do not cause epidemics. They may provide vulnerability, but you need an environmental toxin. And there's a limited number of them.
There's a guy called Phil Landrigan, a very famous toxicologist in New York, and he looked at these--this cascade of chronic diseases that began, you know, in the beginning of the 1990s, and he looked at the timing of exposures to certain environmental toxins, and he came down to about eleven of them, and he said, you know, essentially, it has to be one of these, because these are the only ones that became ubiquitous across all populations. You had the same impact on Cuban children in Key Biscayne, Florida (Miami), and kids who are at home in Alaska, all the same time. What could that be?:
- It could be glyphosate, which is, you know, the product in Roundup, which became ubiquitous around that time.
- It could be neonicotinoid pesticides.
- It could be PFOAs, which is a flame retardant, which became ubiquitous.
- It could be cell phones.
- It could be wifi.
- It could be ultrasound.
He comes out with about eleven of those. But, one of the key suspects has to be vaccines, because the vaccine schedule; we went from having three vaccines I took when i as a kid--I was fully compliant--to the seventy-two doses of sixteen vaccines that our kids now are mandated to take, if they want to stay in school.
And that really began, it began in 1986 when they passed the Vaccine Act and gave complete shield from liability to all vaccine companies, so that if you are a vaccine company and you injure somebody, no matter how grievous the injury, no matter how reckless your conduct, no matter how negligent you were, no matter how toxic the ingredient, nobody can sue you.
There's no depositions, there's no discovery, there's no class actions, and there's no incentive for you to make that product safe.
"""
Carlson: "Let me ask you, is there any other manufacturer, distributor, is there any other product that has that kind of liability protection?"
RFK Jr:
"""
There is liability protection, there is a cap, with nuclear power plants, and that is called the Price-Anderson Act. At Congress--and you know, the insurance companies, they wouldn't insure them, and that was the problem with the vaccines. It wasn't a bunch of hippies who looked at the vaccines and said they were dangerous. It was the insurance companies who said, "you are too dangerous for us to insure".
And Pfizer, what happened is, what Pfizer, which was then called Wyeth--had a product in the early eighties, when they started ramping up vaccines, and it was a diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine--a DTP vaccine. They knew that there was an injury rate, because people started reporting injuries. But, CDC was telling the world it was one in a million serious injuries. Their internal documents show that they believed it was one in 15,000 who got permanent brain injury or death. And, but then, they--NIH and Wyeth and UCLA--funded a study at UCLA, where they started--and they really did a controlled study, and they immediately found that it was one in every three hundred kids.
The result of that, Pfizer--Wyeth at that time--was saying, "we are paying 20 dollars in downstream liability for eery dollar we're making in profit", and they went to the Reagan administration and to the Democrats in Congress--this was, you know, everybody was at fault here--and they said, if you don't give us blanket freedom from liability, we are going to stop making vaccines, and you will be out of a vaccine supply. And so, Congress passed and Reagan signed it--everybody was reluctant to do it. And, Reagan actually said to the companies, "Why don't you just make the vaccine safe?".
"""
Carlson: "Hwa huh ha ha ha. Good question!"
RFK Jr:
"""
And Wyeth said, "Because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe."
And that phrase, "unavoidably unsafe", is in the preamble to the vaccine act. And it is also part of the Supreme Court case in Bruesewitz that essentially codified--[in] Bruesewitz, they gave legal sanction, you know, to the freedom from liability.
So, once that happened, it was a gold rush because the vaccine companies said, "Holy cow, how we've got a product that is free from the biggest cost for every other medica [sic]"-- every medicine kills somebody, when there's vulnerable subgroups, so--and it is, for most medicines, it's their biggest cost, paying those liabilities.
So now the companies said, "Holy cow, now we're completely free from those costs." They also--vaccines are the only company--the only product--that never has to be safety tested. And the reason for that, it's an artifact of the CDC's legacy as the Public Health Service, which was a quasi-military agency--that's why people at the CDC have military ranks, like Surgeon General, and they wear uniforms--and because they always had--the health agencies are tight--are very closely aligned with the military.
And the vaccine program was conceived as a national security defense against biological attacks on our country. And so they wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some other biological agent, that we could quickly formulate a vaccine, distribute it to 200 million Americans with no regulatory impediments. And so they said, if we call this a medicine, we're going to have to test it like we do medicines, which is usually a five year placebo controlled randomized controlled study. And you do it for five years because many medicine injuries have long incubation periods or long diagnostic horizons, so you really need that long time to make a cost benefit analysis-- over the long term, are you saving lives?--we can't afford to do that.
So their solution was to say, we won't call it a medicine; we'll call it a "biologic", and we'll exempt biologics from safety testing.
Now, none of the 72 vaccines that is currently mandated for our children has ever been safety tested against a placebo in pre-clinical trials. I made that statement for many years, and Tony Fauci says, that it was wrong. I met with Tony Fauci, in 2016, and Francis Collins, with somebody from the Trump white house present, and I was with Del Bigtree, and Aaron Siri and Lynn Redwood, who is a Nurse practitioner, and I made that--I reiterated that statement to them--there's never been a single pre-clinical trial of randomized controlled placebo testing for any of those 72 vaccines. They said in front of the White House observer, "You're wrong." And I said to them, "Then show me one." Now, I knew they didn't exist, unless they had them locked in a safe, because I had asked for them on Freedom of Information requests, and they hadn't been able to produce them. Oh,they just said, "we'll get them to you", and they never did.
So we sued them. Del, and Erin, and me, for ICAN. We sued them, and after a year, in 2017, after a year of litigation, HHS came back and said, "You're right, we've never done it." So, nobody knows the risk profile for any of those vaccines. So, nobody can tell you with a scientific certainty, whether any of those products are causing more deaths and injuries than they're reverting.
People say I'm anti-vaccine; I'm not. I'm pro-science and pro-safety-testing. If there's a vaccine that is shown to work in a pre-clinical, or in a randomized placebo-controlled trial, I 100% would support it. And by work I mean, after five years, the vaccinated cohort is healthier than the unvaccinated cohort. That's really what we need to know.
"""
20:10
Carlson: """So, may I ask you a question? [Unintelligible--kaisenseipeasue.] That, you are effectively defending science, the scientific method, the freedom of inquiry that is the basis of science. I couldn't agree with you more. At the beginning of this whole thing I asked the obvious question--the VAERS numbers. Like, what, every medicine kills people--that is demonstrably true--Advil kills people--so, like, what's the harm, the demonstrated harm, of this vaccine? Nobody wants to ask that question, nobody wants to hear it posed--people become hysterical. On both sides, if you ask that question. You've been the--borne the brunt of that hysteria for years. What's the psychology, that leads people to say, "I don't want to know the downside.""""
RFK Jr:
"""
Let me talk because you mentioned the VAERS number thing. VAERS is the vaccine adverse event reporting system. What the HHS rationale is, is that, yes, we didn't do adequate safety trials--they're abbreviated, and they're--they're too short to actually do safety trials. And they're stratified, and there weren't certain age groups, so you don't know what the risk factor is--really know what the risk factor is for older people. It turns out, if you're over seventy, you're risk from COVID is 1000 times greater than if you're under 70. And that's really important, when you craft public health policy, to have that kind of information, right? Because your strategy for children should be completely different than your strategy for adults. They didn't have that kind of stratification in that study where you could look at each of those cohorts and make those kinds of, you know, calculations.
What HHS and the public health agencies said was, "We will figure that out post-licensing". If we, we'll start giving these vaccines to millions of people, and we will then see if people are harmed."
The problem is, the system--the surveillance system--that they have, which is the only one, that they've had for years, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Now, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, which we will call VAERS, has collected a humongous number of injuries. It's a voluntary system, so a doctor or somebody injured has to call in and it takes about 30 minutes to make up the, you know, to go through the process, and there's no real penalty if you skip it. So, a lot of doctors don't recognize vaccine injury; they have incentive not to report it, because they just gave your kid the shot, and they said it's going to save his life, and if he's in a wheelchair or crippled, they don't really want to acknowledge it was the vaccine, they just say, "That happens." That kind of unreporting is epidemic.
So, the, in 20--nevertheless, there have been 17,000 deaths reported to VAERS from the COVID vaccines. And that's more deaths, in the last 8 months, than all of the deaths from all vaccines, the billions and billions vaccines combined over the past 30 years.
This vaccine appears to be killing more people than all vaccines combined. There's more death. Here's the problem. Is that the VAERS system doesn't work. It is designed, in fact, to fail. It is designed to undercount injuries by as much as 99%. Why do I say that? Because HHS did a study on the system in 2010. People can look it up. It's called Lazarus et al. And they published it. They spent millions of dollars on this study. And they looked at one HMO. What they did is, they designed a machine counting system. How does a machine counting system work? You take--the HMO has all the records of all the medical claims of all their patients. And they have the vaccine records, down to the batch number. So, every vaccine that patient took, they know. So, it's quite easy to use AI to do a cluster analysis, and compare whether people who got this batch this vaccine are getting more ADD, or rheumatoid arthritis, or whatever. You can do it in an instant. So they designed the system like that and they used it on the Harvard Pilgrim HMO in Boston and compared it to what VAERS was getting.
What they found was, that the the vaccine injuries were actually very, very common. They were happening at about 1 out of every 40 people per vaccine, and that VAERS was missing more than 99% percent. So, the conclusion of that study was that fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries were reported.
Now, the interesting thing is, they have that machine counting system, and were going to roll it out to all of the other HMOs, but when CDC saw the results, the frightening, alarming results, they killed that study, and they refused to answer the phone calls of Lazarus and his team. And Lazarus and his team were, you know, they were people from Harvard, and they were members of another health agency that is also within HHS. So CDC stopped talking to its fellow agency because it didn't like the news they were trying to give. It was called the Agency for Health Research Quality, the AHRQ.
And, how do know this? Because, if you look up the Lazarus study, the last lines in it say, CDC, when we showed them the results, they were very proud that we had done this. When they showed the results to the CDC, they said the CDC officials in charge of this project refused to answer our phone calls afterwards. So, they just shut them down because they saw something that they did not want the public to know about vaccine safety.
"""
Carlson: "In the book [The Real Anthony Fauci by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.], you make the connection between Tony Facui and Bill Gates. So, for our viewers who are not familiar with that connection, can you give a sense of what that connection is and why it matters."
RFK Jr:
"""
In 2000, Tony Fauci flew out to Seattle, Washington, and he had this meeting, this very strange meeting in Bill Gates' $85 million mansion on the banks of Lake Washington. And Gates brought him into his library and said, "I want to propose a partnership with you." And the partnership was to try to vaccinate all of humanity.
And they ended up calling that--in 2009, the rechristened the program, the "decade of vaccines". Gates went to the UN and gave this speech in which he promised to vaccinate, essentially, all of humanity, with a multiple battery of vaccines, by 2020. And he began asserting, using his philanthropy, to create a series of other quasi-governmental agencies--SEPI, GAVI, and a number of others, and to gain control of the WHO.
And he calls what he does philanthrocapitalism. It's not about philanthropy. It's about enriching the capitalists. What he does is, he buys--and he does this in a number of areas, I show in the book--he does it with food, he did it with the Core Curriculum--he buys large stakes in companies that could benefit from a change in governmental policies--a worldwide change in governmental policies.
So, he owns stakes, very, very large stakes, in almost all the big pharmaceutical companies, and he gives essentially about a billion dollars to WHO every year, but through Rotary International, through GAVI, through SEPI, and through the Gates Foundation, but they're sort of the cumulative is even larger than the U.S., which is the second biggest. That gives him control over WHO's policies. So, the analysts of WHO say, there's nothing that goes through the WHO that is not vetted first by the Gates Foundation.
And WHO controls the HIV money, and it funds the health agencies of most African countries. So, they are completely reliant on those annual checks from WHO. And what Gates and WHO do, or WHO and Gates, because a lot of people at WHO do not want to do this, he's taken them away from their traditional occupations which was economic development, hygiene, food supply, food production, um, and local democracy and local control, so WHO does very little of those things and, now, they really focus--over 50% of their budget focuses--on one Gates vaccine--on one only, the polio vaccine--which is a flawed vaccine.
The polio vaccine, according to WHO's own number, causes 70% of the polio on earth every year. So, it's not a successful vaccine. But, what he does then, is, he, through WHO, WHO will go in and say to the African country, "Here's what you've got to do. You've got to show us an 80% uptake of the DTP vaccine." [The] DTP vaccine, we don't use in white countries--[in the] United States, that's the vaccine that was killing 1 out of every 300 kids, we got rid of it; the Europeans got rid of it--but Gates give 161 million African children that vaccine every year.
And what he'll say is, he'll say, WHO will say to this country, "you don't get your HIV money, you don't get your system's money for it, to run your health agency, unless you can show us you have vaccinated 80% of your kids", and that's--you know, that's a hypothetical number, but it will be something like that, with the DTP vaccine. So, those countries are forced to buy that vaccine, and that vaccine--they have to purchase it ultimately from one of the companies that Gates is heavily invested in. And, Gates is--so, what--he has a $33 billion corpus, that he's put in the Gates Foundation, but it's still his money--he's still controlling it. And it's tax deductible. It's shielded from taxes, and he's deploying it to change government policies in a way that enriches companies that he's also invested in.
And he does the same thing with food. He switched many, many--millions and millions--of Africans from subsistence farming, that they had been doing successfully for, you know, 10,000 generations, to GMO crops, to heavily--you know, lots of inputs--chemical agriculture, carbon-based fertilizers that all have to be imported by his companies--he has huge investments, in Monsanto, in Cargill, and in the processed food companies that are then buying those commodities cheap, like Coca-Cola, McDonalds, and Kraft cheese--those kind of things.
So, the more you look at it, the more corrupt it gets. But his deal with Tony Fauci, um, again, which, you know, I go in detail that the result--the outcome for the at-bargain on the lives and health of millions and millions of Africans and South Asians has been absolutely catastrophic.
"""
1985 seconds:
Carlson: "Why do you--I mean, now to get to motive, this is an exhaustively reported book, that I can't recommend strongly enough, but I have to ask. What do you think motivates, apart from the profit motive you just explained? There does seem to be an ideological fervor behind these vaccination campains. Like, it seems there is a religious quality to it. Am I imagining that?"
RFK Jr:
"""
There's a religious quality to it, right, the orthodoxy. You know, one that motivates is pretty simple, which is power, which has motivated, you know, bad behavior and good behavior for, you know, since, since human beings left Eden, right and, in fact, which is why we got kicked out of Eden. And Bill Gates is not interested in money in terms of "currency"--he's not sitting there making big piles of bill. People accumulate money so that they can have power over their lives, over their environment, their health, their food, but ultimately, over other people.
And some, you know, if you're a sociopath--or if you're, even people who are very well motivated--they want to have power because they believe that they have a unique opportunity or a unique ability to improve people's lives. So, whatever.
And I don't, one thing I don't do--there's 2,200 footnotes in that book; everything is cited and sourced. What I do is I show conduct. I do not try to look into people's heads.
"""
Carlson: "I noticed that. No, no, I noticed that. But..."
RFK Jr:
"""
You were asking about the orthodox. And, you know, you and I actually talked about this another time. Orthodoxy is a--why do people have this religious fervor when they talk about vaccines? Why can't I sit down with my friends, my liberal friends, and have a fact-based conversation? Why do I have to be silenced? Why do people consider me dangerous, so that you are taking a huge risk by putting me on this show?
Why do people--why can't we do what you're supposed to do in a democracy, which is to have--to ultimately find common ground with people who disagree with you, to love your enemy, to have fact-based debates, that, you know, are congenial, and that can maybe resolve and maybe not resolve issues, but instead, you run, anybody who tries to talk about these things, run into something that looks like an old-style midieval religious orthodoxy which is, you know, the repetition of the chivalrous, "follow the science", "protect granny", "stop being selfish", you know, and, um, but, a total unwillingness to talk about facts, a total imperviousness to factual argument, and not only that, but just a ferocious anger that you are dangerous because you have a different point of view than I do.
And that, um, that kind of orthodoxy has occurred throughout time. We are sort of designed to embrace orthodoxy, we are hardwired for orthodoxy from the, you know, 20,000 generations. We, our race spent wandering the African savannah in tiny groups, following a powerful leader at war with all of our neighbors, and having to embrace a unit cohesion though a uniform cosmology, and anybody in the out-group was evil and dangerous, and anybody in the in-group no matter how badly they behaved, they were, they had to be defended, and that's tribalism writ large, and that's what we're looking at, you know.
We're looking at this polarization and tribalism, and I believe a lot of that is strategic, you know, and what I try to do is completely divorce myself from the politics and talk to the Republicans and Democrats. Because what I think we're seeing now is this imposition of these controls which have benefitted these elites. You know, there's 500 new billionaires since the lockdowns started. There's been a shift of 3.8 trillion dollars in wealth from working people globally to this top rung of billionaires, most of them Silicon Valley people or, you know, from this communications grid, you know, who are, either way, tied to the intelligence agencies through a variety of, um, of different entanglements, you know.
But it's Gates, it's Larry Ellison, it's um, Sergey Brin from Google, like, it's Mark Zuckerberg, it's Bloomberg--mainstream and social media. And the weird thing that people don't seem to see is that the people--these people who are cashing in with hundreds of billions from the lockdowns--are the same people who are censoring criticism of the lockdowns.
And, um, and,
"""
Carlson: "Kind of a closed loop there, isn't it?"
RFK Jr:
"""
It's a closed loop, and the best thing for them, is that the Republicans and Democrates are fighting with each other and blacks and whites are fighting, and the polarization and the anger, and the bitterness at the ground level is occurring, and nobody is noticing that they are feeding on the corpses of our obliterated middle class and gorging themselves.
"""
Carlson: """I'm pulling back from pounding my fist on the table, hahaha, in agreement. Um, I guess the upside of this sad moment is, people's minds have gotten open to the point where they can hear what you're saying, which I think is absolutely, provably true. So, in the book you use the phrase "coup d'etat”" against liberal democracy", repeatedly worked me into a frenzy as I was reading it. Explain, if you would, what you meant by that."""
RFK Jr:
"""
Well, you know, and I mentioned this a little earlier, we've really seen the systematic demolition of our Bill of Rights, okay, and, you know, it's literally like it's systematic, and, James Madison, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all said, "we've put freedom of speech in the first amendment because, if a government can, you know, if they can get rid of that one, they have a license to take, to commit any kind of atrocity that they want.
If you can't criticize them, they're going to destroy you--they're going to expand their power until there is nothing left for you. Freedom of speech, you know--nobody has ever been able to point to a single mis-statement I made on Instagram. You know, we put a huge amount--at Children's Health Defense--huge amounts of resources into fact checking--more than, as far as I can tell, any other, now, any other publication.
We have on our board a Nobel prize winner who discovered the HIV virus in 1993, the former head of the on the NationalToxicity Program; on our scientific advisory board, 312 PhD scientists and MDs, and they look at what we're doing and we fact check it rigorously. We have an entire team that does that.
Everything I ever put on Instagram was sourced to a government database or to a peer-reviewed publication, but I got thrown off for "vaccine misinformation" because that term does not have anything to do with whether it is factually correct or not. It's simply a euphemism for anything that departs from government proclamations, and you know, corporate profit-taking. If you threaten those things, then you are "passing on misinformation".
So, anybody who wanted to criticize the government, they got rid of. That's why we had the revolution--so that we could criticize the government! And yet, and we put that first, and yet it's gone.
Then, the next thing they go after, the next half of the first amendment, freedom of religion. They close every church in this country for a year, and they kept the liquor stores open. And, by the way--without any hearing, without showing any science, without notice and competent rule-making--no discussion, no debate.
They keep the liquor stores open as "essential businesses". Now, I have no problem with that, with keeping the liquor stores open, but the liquor stores are not in the constitution--the churches are, and you know, we shouldn't be able to close those lightly without having a debate about it.
We, then they go after property rights. They closed a million business without due process or just compensation. That's a violation of the constitution.
They got rid of jury trials, the sixth and seventh amendment. Here's what the seventh amendment says: no American shall be deprived of their rights to a trial before a jury of their peers in cases of controversies exceeding $25. That's it! It's the whole amendment. So, there's no pandemic exception. And yet, anybody now who claims to be doing a countermeasure--if you are, if you, it's not just the vaccine makers who you can't get a jury trial against if they kill you, but, you go into a hospital, and you slip on a floor that somebody negligently, you know, put, uh, bacon grease on, you can't sue for that!
So, anybody who's involved in this project, you can't sue--jury trials have been abolished.
They've gotten rid of the prohibitions against warrantless searches and seizures, and we're now all part of this, you know, track and trace surveillance state, and on and on.
They've literally gotten rid of every amendment except... and they've gotetn due process! Due process, in law, here's what due process says. If you want to pass a law in this country--if Congress wants to pass it okay. We vote for congress; if we don't like them, we can vote them out. But if an agency passes it, they have to do certain things to make sure there's democracy involved. They have to put notice of the rule-making, they have to publish the proposed rule. They have to publish:
- a environmental impact statement explaining all the science behind the proposed rule, citing the studies, citing their rationale,
- an economic impact statement saying how each person in society will get hurt, and
- a regulatory impact statement to make sure the costs meet the benefits.
Then, they have to have notice and comments. So, we get 30 or 60 or 90 days where everybody sends in letters, and says, this is going to--for example, I could say, "You know, I own a kayak company, I can't put masks on my clients because it could kill them if they fall over. I should be exempted. Those are the kinds of things you do with notice and comment. And the government has to respond. They have to narrowly tailor the rules so that it only does what it is intended to do and doesn't affect other people.
And then you have a public hearing, where Tony Fauci could bring in his experts to say why masks work, why lockdowns work, why social distancing work. And we can, other people who oppose him, can bring in theirs. And there's a case that's published, and everybody watches it, and there's appeals.
None of that happened. It was just a doctor who has never treated a COVID patient saying one week "masks don't work" and a month later everybody putting them on, and not citing one study to justify that change. It was a government diktat.
And, so, during that first year, we literally got rid of every amendment to the Constitution except the second amendment--it's the only one that's left. And you know, I tell people, we have to love our freedom more than we love a germ.
And, you know, I would even, you know, remind people, that, even if this was the deadly disease that they say it is, there's worse things than death. And there was a whole generation--not to sound cold, and people get mad at me for saying it--but we're lucky that there was a whole generation of Americans in 1776 who said, "It would be better to die than to not have these rights--ripped down. And they gave us a gift of that Bill of Rights.
And in one year, at the biding of a doctor who's telling us, you need to do this to save them--orchestrated fear, and all of the weird stuff they did with the numbers, which not what public health is supposed to be doing. In one year, those rights have been taken away from us.
And, you know, we, we--democrats, republicans--need to stop fighting each other, and we need to start fighting the bad guys, the people who are taking away everything we value. And you know, there's no such thing as republican children and democratic children. Our when our kids deserve to have the same Bill of Rights that our parents gave us, and people need--whatever their fears are, to put those aside--and demand that we get those things back.
"""
Carlson: "I, I think it's a really moving summation. It's not just, and we could go on forever, but, to sum it up for us, this is not just a domestic phenomenon, the old system being swept away because of COVID. I mean, this is--you describe it as the end of liberal democracy globally."
RFK Jr:
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I, and that, I think, I do a job in that book that nobody's ever done before, and, I think it will become clear to people when they read the last chapter in this book, how this happened--how all these libral democracies across the globe pivoted simultaneously to obliterate constitutional--to have, as I said, coup d'etat against--democracy globally, and to impose totalitarian controls like nobody's ever experienced.
You know, people sit around and say, "How did they all know what to do at the exact same time?". And I showed that in this book, exactly--the had been planning it for 20 years. And this is going to sound paranoid and a conspiracy theory, but you know know it because I've documented exactly what happened--names, dates, and, you know, the involvement of --really deep involvement--of the intelligence agencies, of people from the bio-weapons divisions of our militaries across the globe, who were more aligned with China, the bioweapons developers in China and the United States were more aligned and loyal to each other than they were to the nations that they were supposed to be defending. It's a very odd phenomenon, but I show how it happened meticulously, and I would urge people, if you read nothing else, read the last chapter of that book. It's called "Germ Games", and you will understand how your government turned against you.
"""
Carlson: "Yeah, I read it last night, and stayed up until two in the morning. Huh he hah it upset me! I've got to last one last question that's not germane to any of this, but I just can't control myself because this is something of interest to me. So, uh, the Warren Commission, which was the commission which investigated the murder of your uncle in 1963 in Dallas, you know, produced this massive volume of paper, nearly sixty years later--some of it is still classified--we just learned that it will not be--it was supposed to be released years ago, it still has not been released--given everyone directly involved is dead, why do you think those materials are still classified?"
RFK Jr:
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It is a mystery. I mean, clearly, as you and I talked about, it's not about--it can't be that they're protecting an individual, they have to be protecting institutions. It's weird because, you know, I didn't agree with Trump on a lot of stuff, but Trump, one of the things about him was, he was willing to defy instituions and break things. And he did not like the CIA. He promised he was going to release them. Nd
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Carlson: "I know."
RFK Jr:
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And then, he didn't. And, you know, I'd like--if I ever run into him again, I'm going to ask him, you know, "Why, why, what made you chan--what did they tell you that made you change your mind. And, of course, you know, I have no idea what Biden's thinking of this, but, they all promised they're going to release it, and then they all stop, you know. It's--our country really took a turn at that point in history, and it's really important for Americans to really understand what happened, and, you know, the Warren Commission was a whitewash, uh, I don't think any Americans, there's almost no Americans other than highly placed people in the New York Times who believe the Warren Commission, you know, and, um, ah, I hope, at some point, we do find out something about the truth.
"""
Carlson: "Do you think we will?"
RFK Jr:
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I don't know--I, I've given up making predictions, Tucker.
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Carlson: "Huh huh huh ho ho ho huh."
RFK Jr:
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Huh huh huh .
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Carlson: "I just want to say it again, of all the people who need to write a book like this, you're at the very--you're in the las--you're in last place. You had no reason to write this, but you did anywhere, and I'm just really, really grateful for your bravery, and the meticulousness of your research and your willingness to come on today, so thank you."
RFK Jr:
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Thank you for your courage and having me on, because I haven't been on a TV show like this in fifteen years, so, thank you.
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Carlson: "We didn't, we didn't think twice. I was so impressed by it. The name of the book is 'The Real Anthony Fauci'. Absolutely worth reading. Bobby Kennedy, Junior: the nam of the guest. Tucker Carlson: the name of the show. New episdoes every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on FOX Nation. We will see you every weeknight on the FOX news channel."RFK Jr:
"""
Well, I think, you know, look, what's happened in this country over the last year, is kind of this bizzarre imposition of totalitarian controls:
- the deconstruction of the constitution,
- the rise of censorship,
- the rise of suppression of religious freedoms, of property rights,
- closing a million businesses without just compensation, without due process,
- the abolition of jury trials, which are guaranteed by the sixth and seventh amendments for any vaccine company that hurts you.
All of these, and the rise of kind of track and trace surveillance state, has been troubling to people--of democrats, republics--people who support vaccines, people who oppose them--are looking at what's happened.
And I felt like I was in a unique position, um, to interpret and to explain to people what had happened.
- I've been working and was an environmental lawyer for forty years, so I understand all of these mechanisms of corporate capture by which the regulatory agencies assert control over the--I mean, the regulating industries assert control over the agencies that are supposed to regulate them, and essentially turn them into sock puppets.
- And, I've been working on vaccine issues since 2005, and the kind of regulatory capture that you see in that space is really capture on steroids, because these agencies--FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies, from the industry.
"""
Carlson: "Wait, may I pause you? The FDA gets 45% of its budget from vaccine companies?"
RFK Jr:
"""
From pharmaceutical companies. And it's like, if EPA got half its budget from the coal companies, if you can imagine, what the reg--. I spent probably 20% of the lawsuits of the hundreds of lawsuits that I brought against EPA were for sweetheart arrangements, for giving permits to oil companies that were illegal. And if you can imagine how much worse that capture would be if half the EPA's budget came from oil and gas companies. That's what you're dealing with in the pharmaceutical space.
Not only that, CDC, which is another of the HHS sub-agencies, spends 4.9 billion dollars annually of its 12 billion dollar budget on buying and distributing vaccines. So, it's really a vaccine company. It's not a regulatory agency. That's about 40% of its budget.
NIH--CDC has vaccine patents. So, the vaccines that its pushing, it had 57 vaccine patents, it's making royalties on--and NIH has thousands of patents, many of them for vaccines. For example, Tony Fauci's agency owns half the Moderna patent, and stands to make billions and billions of dollars on sales of the Moderna vaccine. Four of Tony Fauci's top aids also have patent rights to Moderna. So, Tony Fauci can assign patent rights to his favored, you know, loyalists within his agency, and they then get to keep 150,000 dollars per year for the rest of their lives on a product they are supposed to be regulating. Tony Fauci owns patents on drugs that he has developed.
And so, it's--the regulatory function has been essentially subsumed by the commercial and mercantile aspects of vaccine production and vaccine manufacturing and vaccine uptake. And if you--within HHS, the way you get promotions, and raises, and salary, bonuses, etc.--is by contributing to the crusade for vaccine uptake. You do not get promoted for finding problems with vaccines. And that is actually what we, as the tax payer, are paying these regulators to do, but they're not doing it.
And so, I had a kind of unique perspective on what was happening at the beginning of 2020 and was able to kind of predict how they were going to handle this, how they would suppress. I've watched Tony Fauci--I've known Tony Fauci for years.
"""
Carlson: "You know Fauci personally."
RFK Jr:
"""
Yeah, I've met Fauci personally, but my family has these deep entanglements with these health agencies. My, um, my, my uncle, my uncles literally wrote legislation that created a lot of these agencies. My uncle Teddy, for fifty years, was the Chair of the Health Committee, so he was writing the budgets for Tony Fauci and Francis Collins and all these agencies for years. Some of the key institutions within NIH and HHS are named for members of my family. Eunice Shriver, and my grandmother, Rose Kennedy.
And, you know, we've had these deep entanglements. So, I know Tony Fauci. But I also am very conscious of the fact that these--these officials--really do not do public health so much as pharmaceutical production.
Tony Fauci has transformed NIH into an incubator for pharmaceutical products. He's supposed to be doing--what Congress intended him to do--is to try to track the etiology of
- allergic diseases, and
- chronic diseases, and
- infections diseases,
and then figure out--do the kind of science we need to stop those diseases.
There's been, since he came in in 1968, we've gone from about six percent of Americans having chronic disease to, by 2006, fifty-four percent.
"""
Carlson: "Whu whoa wha, what?"
RFK Jr:
"""
What I mean by chronic disease, there's three major categories--and obesity. But one is neurodevelopmental diseases. ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, ticks, Tourette Syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, and autism. If you're my age--I'm sixty-seven years old--I never heard of any of those diseases when I was a kid, and I didn't know anybody. You know, I was around, when I was at the speartip of working with people with intellectual disabilities; my family started Special Olympics. I never saw an autistic kid prior to 1989. I still don't know a single person my age who has full-blown autism. By that I mean non-verbal, not toilet trained, head-banging, toe walking. In my generation it's about one in ten thousand who have autism. In my kids' generation, according to CDC, it's about 1 in 34--1 in every 22 boys.
Tony Fauci's job is to figure out why that happened.
And because, when Congress said to EPA--tell us the year the autism pandemic began, EPA scientists came back and said, "1989". So, but, when, 1989 was also--they said there was a red line that year. And when, 1989, a lot of other stuff started, like food allergies. I didn't--I had eleven siblings, and about seventy first cousins. I didn't know anybody with food allergy. Peanut allergy? Why do five of my kids have food allergies? Um, eczema, the allergic--you have a neurodevelopment disease, you have the allergic diseases--like asthma, eczema, anaphylaxis food allergies--peanut allergies, all the food allergies, exploded, beginning in 1989.
The, and then the last category is autoimmune diseases, like rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes. I didn't know anybody with diabetes when I was a kid. Today, there's diabetic kids in every classroom. There's about seventy autoimmune diseases that have become, at some level, epidemic since 1989.
Tony Fauci's job is to tell us where they're coming form. We know it has to be an environmental toxin. Because genes do not cause epidemics. They may provide vulnerability, but you need an environmental toxin. And there's a limited number of them.
There's a guy called Phil Landrigan, a very famous toxicologist in New York, and he looked at these--this cascade of chronic diseases that began, you know, in the beginning of the 1990s, and he looked at the timing of exposures to certain environmental toxins, and he came down to about eleven of them, and he said, you know, essentially, it has to be one of these, because these are the only ones that became ubiquitous across all populations. You had the same impact on Cuban children in Key Biscayne, Florida (Miami), and kids who are at home in Alaska, all the same time. What could that be?:
- It could be glyphosate, which is, you know, the product in Roundup, which became ubiquitous around that time.
- It could be neonicotinoid pesticides.
- It could be PFOAs, which is a flame retardant, which became ubiquitous.
- It could be cell phones.
- It could be wifi.
- It could be ultrasound.
He comes out with about eleven of those. But, one of the key suspects has to be vaccines, because the vaccine schedule; we went from having three vaccines I took when i as a kid--I was fully compliant--to the seventy-two doses of sixteen vaccines that our kids now are mandated to take, if they want to stay in school.
And that really began, it began in 1986 when they passed the Vaccine Act and gave complete shield from liability to all vaccine companies, so that if you are a vaccine company and you injure somebody, no matter how grievous the injury, no matter how reckless your conduct, no matter how negligent you were, no matter how toxic the ingredient, nobody can sue you.
There's no depositions, there's no discovery, there's no class actions, and there's no incentive for you to make that product safe.
"""
Carlson: "Let me ask you, is there any other manufacturer, distributor, is there any other product that has that kind of liability protection?"
RFK Jr:
"""
There is liability protection, there is a cap, with nuclear power plants, and that is called the Price-Anderson Act. At Congress--and you know, the insurance companies, they wouldn't insure them, and that was the problem with the vaccines. It wasn't a bunch of hippies who looked at the vaccines and said they were dangerous. It was the insurance companies who said, "you are too dangerous for us to insure".
And Pfizer, what happened is, what Pfizer, which was then called Wyeth--had a product in the early eighties, when they started ramping up vaccines, and it was a diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine--a DTP vaccine. They knew that there was an injury rate, because people started reporting injuries. But, CDC was telling the world it was one in a million serious injuries. Their internal documents show that they believed it was one in 15,000 who got permanent brain injury or death. And, but then, they--NIH and Wyeth and UCLA--funded a study at UCLA, where they started--and they really did a controlled study, and they immediately found that it was one in every three hundred kids.
The result of that, Pfizer--Wyeth at that time--was saying, "we are paying 20 dollars in downstream liability for eery dollar we're making in profit", and they went to the Reagan administration and to the Democrats in Congress--this was, you know, everybody was at fault here--and they said, if you don't give us blanket freedom from liability, we are going to stop making vaccines, and you will be out of a vaccine supply. And so, Congress passed and Reagan signed it--everybody was reluctant to do it. And, Reagan actually said to the companies, "Why don't you just make the vaccine safe?".
"""
Carlson: "Hwa huh ha ha ha. Good question!"
RFK Jr:
"""
And Wyeth said, "Because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe."
And that phrase, "unavoidably unsafe", is in the preamble to the vaccine act. And it is also part of the Supreme Court case in Bruesewitz that essentially codified--[in] Bruesewitz, they gave legal sanction, you know, to the freedom from liability.
So, once that happened, it was a gold rush because the vaccine companies said, "Holy cow, how we've got a product that is free from the biggest cost for every other medica [sic]"-- every medicine kills somebody, when there's vulnerable subgroups, so--and it is, for most medicines, it's their biggest cost, paying those liabilities.
So now the companies said, "Holy cow, now we're completely free from those costs." They also--vaccines are the only company--the only product--that never has to be safety tested. And the reason for that, it's an artifact of the CDC's legacy as the Public Health Service, which was a quasi-military agency--that's why people at the CDC have military ranks, like Surgeon General, and they wear uniforms--and because they always had--the health agencies are tight--are very closely aligned with the military.
And the vaccine program was conceived as a national security defense against biological attacks on our country. And so they wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some other biological agent, that we could quickly formulate a vaccine, distribute it to 200 million Americans with no regulatory impediments. And so they said, if we call this a medicine, we're going to have to test it like we do medicines, which is usually a five year placebo controlled randomized controlled study. And you do it for five years because many medicine injuries have long incubation periods or long diagnostic horizons, so you really need that long time to make a cost benefit analysis-- over the long term, are you saving lives?--we can't afford to do that.
So their solution was to say, we won't call it a medicine; we'll call it a "biologic", and we'll exempt biologics from safety testing.
Now, none of the 72 vaccines that is currently mandated for our children has ever been safety tested against a placebo in pre-clinical trials. I made that statement for many years, and Tony Fauci says, that it was wrong. I met with Tony Fauci, in 2016, and Francis Collins, with somebody from the Trump white house present, and I was with Del Bigtree, and Aaron Siri and Lynn Redwood, who is a Nurse practitioner, and I made that--I reiterated that statement to them--there's never been a single pre-clinical trial of randomized controlled placebo testing for any of those 72 vaccines. They said in front of the White House observer, "You're wrong." And I said to them, "Then show me one." Now, I knew they didn't exist, unless they had them locked in a safe, because I had asked for them on Freedom of Information requests, and they hadn't been able to produce them. Oh,they just said, "we'll get them to you", and they never did.
So we sued them. Del, and Erin, and me, for ICAN. We sued them, and after a year, in 2017, after a year of litigation, HHS came back and said, "You're right, we've never done it." So, nobody knows the risk profile for any of those vaccines. So, nobody can tell you with a scientific certainty, whether any of those products are causing more deaths and injuries than they're reverting.
People say I'm anti-vaccine; I'm not. I'm pro-science and pro-safety-testing. If there's a vaccine that is shown to work in a pre-clinical, or in a randomized placebo-controlled trial, I 100% would support it. And by work I mean, after five years, the vaccinated cohort is healthier than the unvaccinated cohort. That's really what we need to know.
"""
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Carlson: """So, may I ask you a question? [Unintelligible--kaisenseipeasue.] That, you are effectively defending science, the scientific method, the freedom of inquiry that is the basis of science. I couldn't agree with you more. At the beginning of this whole thing I asked the obvious question--the VAERS numbers. Like, what, every medicine kills people--that is demonstrably true--Advil kills people--so, like, what's the harm, the demonstrated harm, of this vaccine? Nobody wants to ask that question, nobody wants to hear it posed--people become hysterical. On both sides, if you ask that question. You've been the--borne the brunt of that hysteria for years. What's the psychology, that leads people to say, "I don't want to know the downside.""""
RFK Jr:
"""
Let me talk because you mentioned the VAERS number thing. VAERS is the vaccine adverse event reporting system. What the HHS rationale is, is that, yes, we didn't do adequate safety trials--they're abbreviated, and they're--they're too short to actually do safety trials. And they're stratified, and there weren't certain age groups, so you don't know what the risk factor is--really know what the risk factor is for older people. It turns out, if you're over seventy, you're risk from COVID is 1000 times greater than if you're under 70. And that's really important, when you craft public health policy, to have that kind of information, right? Because your strategy for children should be completely different than your strategy for adults. They didn't have that kind of stratification in that study where you could look at each of those cohorts and make those kinds of, you know, calculations.
What HHS and the public health agencies said was, "We will figure that out post-licensing". If we, we'll start giving these vaccines to millions of people, and we will then see if people are harmed."
The problem is, the system--the surveillance system--that they have, which is the only one, that they've had for years, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Now, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, which we will call VAERS, has collected a humongous number of injuries. It's a voluntary system, so a doctor or somebody injured has to call in and it takes about 30 minutes to make up the, you know, to go through the process, and there's no real penalty if you skip it. So, a lot of doctors don't recognize vaccine injury; they have incentive not to report it, because they just gave your kid the shot, and they said it's going to save his life, and if he's in a wheelchair or crippled, they don't really want to acknowledge it was the vaccine, they just say, "That happens." That kind of unreporting is epidemic.
So, the, in 20--nevertheless, there have been 17,000 deaths reported to VAERS from the COVID vaccines. And that's more deaths, in the last 8 months, than all of the deaths from all vaccines, the billions and billions vaccines combined over the past 30 years.
This vaccine appears to be killing more people than all vaccines combined. There's more death. Here's the problem. Is that the VAERS system doesn't work. It is designed, in fact, to fail. It is designed to undercount injuries by as much as 99%. Why do I say that? Because HHS did a study on the system in 2010. People can look it up. It's called Lazarus et al. And they published it. They spent millions of dollars on this study. And they looked at one HMO. What they did is, they designed a machine counting system. How does a machine counting system work? You take--the HMO has all the records of all the medical claims of all their patients. And they have the vaccine records, down to the batch number. So, every vaccine that patient took, they know. So, it's quite easy to use AI to do a cluster analysis, and compare whether people who got this batch this vaccine are getting more ADD, or rheumatoid arthritis, or whatever. You can do it in an instant. So they designed the system like that and they used it on the Harvard Pilgrim HMO in Boston and compared it to what VAERS was getting.
What they found was, that the the vaccine injuries were actually very, very common. They were happening at about 1 out of every 40 people per vaccine, and that VAERS was missing more than 99% percent. So, the conclusion of that study was that fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries were reported.
Now, the interesting thing is, they have that machine counting system, and were going to roll it out to all of the other HMOs, but when CDC saw the results, the frightening, alarming results, they killed that study, and they refused to answer the phone calls of Lazarus and his team. And Lazarus and his team were, you know, they were people from Harvard, and they were members of another health agency that is also within HHS. So CDC stopped talking to its fellow agency because it didn't like the news they were trying to give. It was called the Agency for Health Research Quality, the AHRQ.
And, how do know this? Because, if you look up the Lazarus study, the last lines in it say, CDC, when we showed them the results, they were very proud that we had done this. When they showed the results to the CDC, they said the CDC officials in charge of this project refused to answer our phone calls afterwards. So, they just shut them down because they saw something that they did not want the public to know about vaccine safety.
"""
Carlson: "In the book [The Real Anthony Fauci by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.], you make the connection between Tony Facui and Bill Gates. So, for our viewers who are not familiar with that connection, can you give a sense of what that connection is and why it matters."
RFK Jr:
"""
In 2000, Tony Fauci flew out to Seattle, Washington, and he had this meeting, this very strange meeting in Bill Gates' $85 million mansion on the banks of Lake Washington. And Gates brought him into his library and said, "I want to propose a partnership with you." And the partnership was to try to vaccinate all of humanity.
And they ended up calling that--in 2009, the rechristened the program, the "decade of vaccines". Gates went to the UN and gave this speech in which he promised to vaccinate, essentially, all of humanity, with a multiple battery of vaccines, by 2020. And he began asserting, using his philanthropy, to create a series of other quasi-governmental agencies--SEPI, GAVI, and a number of others, and to gain control of the WHO.
And he calls what he does philanthrocapitalism. It's not about philanthropy. It's about enriching the capitalists. What he does is, he buys--and he does this in a number of areas, I show in the book--he does it with food, he did it with the Core Curriculum--he buys large stakes in companies that could benefit from a change in governmental policies--a worldwide change in governmental policies.
So, he owns stakes, very, very large stakes, in almost all the big pharmaceutical companies, and he gives essentially about a billion dollars to WHO every year, but through Rotary International, through GAVI, through SEPI, and through the Gates Foundation, but they're sort of the cumulative is even larger than the U.S., which is the second biggest. That gives him control over WHO's policies. So, the analysts of WHO say, there's nothing that goes through the WHO that is not vetted first by the Gates Foundation.
And WHO controls the HIV money, and it funds the health agencies of most African countries. So, they are completely reliant on those annual checks from WHO. And what Gates and WHO do, or WHO and Gates, because a lot of people at WHO do not want to do this, he's taken them away from their traditional occupations which was economic development, hygiene, food supply, food production, um, and local democracy and local control, so WHO does very little of those things and, now, they really focus--over 50% of their budget focuses--on one Gates vaccine--on one only, the polio vaccine--which is a flawed vaccine.
The polio vaccine, according to WHO's own number, causes 70% of the polio on earth every year. So, it's not a successful vaccine. But, what he does then, is, he, through WHO, WHO will go in and say to the African country, "Here's what you've got to do. You've got to show us an 80% uptake of the DTP vaccine." [The] DTP vaccine, we don't use in white countries--[in the] United States, that's the vaccine that was killing 1 out of every 300 kids, we got rid of it; the Europeans got rid of it--but Gates give 161 million African children that vaccine every year.
And what he'll say is, he'll say, WHO will say to this country, "you don't get your HIV money, you don't get your system's money for it, to run your health agency, unless you can show us you have vaccinated 80% of your kids", and that's--you know, that's a hypothetical number, but it will be something like that, with the DTP vaccine. So, those countries are forced to buy that vaccine, and that vaccine--they have to purchase it ultimately from one of the companies that Gates is heavily invested in. And, Gates is--so, what--he has a $33 billion corpus, that he's put in the Gates Foundation, but it's still his money--he's still controlling it. And it's tax deductible. It's shielded from taxes, and he's deploying it to change government policies in a way that enriches companies that he's also invested in.
And he does the same thing with food. He switched many, many--millions and millions--of Africans from subsistence farming, that they had been doing successfully for, you know, 10,000 generations, to GMO crops, to heavily--you know, lots of inputs--chemical agriculture, carbon-based fertilizers that all have to be imported by his companies--he has huge investments, in Monsanto, in Cargill, and in the processed food companies that are then buying those commodities cheap, like Coca-Cola, McDonalds, and Kraft cheese--those kind of things.
So, the more you look at it, the more corrupt it gets. But his deal with Tony Fauci, um, again, which, you know, I go in detail that the result--the outcome for the at-bargain on the lives and health of millions and millions of Africans and South Asians has been absolutely catastrophic.
"""
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Carlson: "Why do you--I mean, now to get to motive, this is an exhaustively reported book, that I can't recommend strongly enough, but I have to ask. What do you think motivates, apart from the profit motive you just explained? There does seem to be an ideological fervor behind these vaccination campains. Like, it seems there is a religious quality to it. Am I imagining that?"
RFK Jr:
"""
There's a religious quality to it, right, the orthodoxy. You know, one that motivates is pretty simple, which is power, which has motivated, you know, bad behavior and good behavior for, you know, since, since human beings left Eden, right and, in fact, which is why we got kicked out of Eden. And Bill Gates is not interested in money in terms of "currency"--he's not sitting there making big piles of bill. People accumulate money so that they can have power over their lives, over their environment, their health, their food, but ultimately, over other people.
And some, you know, if you're a sociopath--or if you're, even people who are very well motivated--they want to have power because they believe that they have a unique opportunity or a unique ability to improve people's lives. So, whatever.
And I don't, one thing I don't do--there's 2,200 footnotes in that book; everything is cited and sourced. What I do is I show conduct. I do not try to look into people's heads.
"""
Carlson: "I noticed that. No, no, I noticed that. But..."
RFK Jr:
"""
You were asking about the orthodox. And, you know, you and I actually talked about this another time. Orthodoxy is a--why do people have this religious fervor when they talk about vaccines? Why can't I sit down with my friends, my liberal friends, and have a fact-based conversation? Why do I have to be silenced? Why do people consider me dangerous, so that you are taking a huge risk by putting me on this show?
Why do people--why can't we do what you're supposed to do in a democracy, which is to have--to ultimately find common ground with people who disagree with you, to love your enemy, to have fact-based debates, that, you know, are congenial, and that can maybe resolve and maybe not resolve issues, but instead, you run, anybody who tries to talk about these things, run into something that looks like an old-style midieval religious orthodoxy which is, you know, the repetition of the chivalrous, "follow the science", "protect granny", "stop being selfish", you know, and, um, but, a total unwillingness to talk about facts, a total imperviousness to factual argument, and not only that, but just a ferocious anger that you are dangerous because you have a different point of view than I do.
And that, um, that kind of orthodoxy has occurred throughout time. We are sort of designed to embrace orthodoxy, we are hardwired for orthodoxy from the, you know, 20,000 generations. We, our race spent wandering the African savannah in tiny groups, following a powerful leader at war with all of our neighbors, and having to embrace a unit cohesion though a uniform cosmology, and anybody in the out-group was evil and dangerous, and anybody in the in-group no matter how badly they behaved, they were, they had to be defended, and that's tribalism writ large, and that's what we're looking at, you know.
We're looking at this polarization and tribalism, and I believe a lot of that is strategic, you know, and what I try to do is completely divorce myself from the politics and talk to the Republicans and Democrats. Because what I think we're seeing now is this imposition of these controls which have benefitted these elites. You know, there's 500 new billionaires since the lockdowns started. There's been a shift of 3.8 trillion dollars in wealth from working people globally to this top rung of billionaires, most of them Silicon Valley people or, you know, from this communications grid, you know, who are, either way, tied to the intelligence agencies through a variety of, um, of different entanglements, you know.
But it's Gates, it's Larry Ellison, it's um, Sergey Brin from Google, like, it's Mark Zuckerberg, it's Bloomberg--mainstream and social media. And the weird thing that people don't seem to see is that the people--these people who are cashing in with hundreds of billions from the lockdowns--are the same people who are censoring criticism of the lockdowns.
And, um, and,
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Carlson: "Kind of a closed loop there, isn't it?"
RFK Jr:
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It's a closed loop, and the best thing for them, is that the Republicans and Democrates are fighting with each other and blacks and whites are fighting, and the polarization and the anger, and the bitterness at the ground level is occurring, and nobody is noticing that they are feeding on the corpses of our obliterated middle class and gorging themselves.
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Carlson: """I'm pulling back from pounding my fist on the table, hahaha, in agreement. Um, I guess the upside of this sad moment is, people's minds have gotten open to the point where they can hear what you're saying, which I think is absolutely, provably true. So, in the book you use the phrase "coup d'etat”" against liberal democracy", repeatedly worked me into a frenzy as I was reading it. Explain, if you would, what you meant by that."""
RFK Jr:
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Well, you know, and I mentioned this a little earlier, we've really seen the systematic demolition of our Bill of Rights, okay, and, you know, it's literally like it's systematic, and, James Madison, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all said, "we've put freedom of speech in the first amendment because, if a government can, you know, if they can get rid of that one, they have a license to take, to commit any kind of atrocity that they want.
If you can't criticize them, they're going to destroy you--they're going to expand their power until there is nothing left for you. Freedom of speech, you know--nobody has ever been able to point to a single mis-statement I made on Instagram. You know, we put a huge amount--at Children's Health Defense--huge amounts of resources into fact checking--more than, as far as I can tell, any other, now, any other publication.
We have on our board a Nobel prize winner who discovered the HIV virus in 1993, the former head of the on the NationalToxicity Program; on our scientific advisory board, 312 PhD scientists and MDs, and they look at what we're doing and we fact check it rigorously. We have an entire team that does that.
Everything I ever put on Instagram was sourced to a government database or to a peer-reviewed publication, but I got thrown off for "vaccine misinformation" because that term does not have anything to do with whether it is factually correct or not. It's simply a euphemism for anything that departs from government proclamations, and you know, corporate profit-taking. If you threaten those things, then you are "passing on misinformation".
So, anybody who wanted to criticize the government, they got rid of. That's why we had the revolution--so that we could criticize the government! And yet, and we put that first, and yet it's gone.
Then, the next thing they go after, the next half of the first amendment, freedom of religion. They close every church in this country for a year, and they kept the liquor stores open. And, by the way--without any hearing, without showing any science, without notice and competent rule-making--no discussion, no debate.
They keep the liquor stores open as "essential businesses". Now, I have no problem with that, with keeping the liquor stores open, but the liquor stores are not in the constitution--the churches are, and you know, we shouldn't be able to close those lightly without having a debate about it.
We, then they go after property rights. They closed a million business without due process or just compensation. That's a violation of the constitution.
They got rid of jury trials, the sixth and seventh amendment. Here's what the seventh amendment says: no American shall be deprived of their rights to a trial before a jury of their peers in cases of controversies exceeding $25. That's it! It's the whole amendment. So, there's no pandemic exception. And yet, anybody now who claims to be doing a countermeasure--if you are, if you, it's not just the vaccine makers who you can't get a jury trial against if they kill you, but, you go into a hospital, and you slip on a floor that somebody negligently, you know, put, uh, bacon grease on, you can't sue for that!
So, anybody who's involved in this project, you can't sue--jury trials have been abolished.
They've gotten rid of the prohibitions against warrantless searches and seizures, and we're now all part of this, you know, track and trace surveillance state, and on and on.
They've literally gotten rid of every amendment except... and they've gotetn due process! Due process, in law, here's what due process says. If you want to pass a law in this country--if Congress wants to pass it okay. We vote for congress; if we don't like them, we can vote them out. But if an agency passes it, they have to do certain things to make sure there's democracy involved. They have to put notice of the rule-making, they have to publish the proposed rule. They have to publish:
- a environmental impact statement explaining all the science behind the proposed rule, citing the studies, citing their rationale,
- an economic impact statement saying how each person in society will get hurt, and
- a regulatory impact statement to make sure the costs meet the benefits.
Then, they have to have notice and comments. So, we get 30 or 60 or 90 days where everybody sends in letters, and says, this is going to--for example, I could say, "You know, I own a kayak company, I can't put masks on my clients because it could kill them if they fall over. I should be exempted. Those are the kinds of things you do with notice and comment. And the government has to respond. They have to narrowly tailor the rules so that it only does what it is intended to do and doesn't affect other people.
And then you have a public hearing, where Tony Fauci could bring in his experts to say why masks work, why lockdowns work, why social distancing work. And we can, other people who oppose him, can bring in theirs. And there's a case that's published, and everybody watches it, and there's appeals.
None of that happened. It was just a doctor who has never treated a COVID patient saying one week "masks don't work" and a month later everybody putting them on, and not citing one study to justify that change. It was a government diktat.
And, so, during that first year, we literally got rid of every amendment to the Constitution except the second amendment--it's the only one that's left. And you know, I tell people, we have to love our freedom more than we love a germ.
And, you know, I would even, you know, remind people, that, even if this was the deadly disease that they say it is, there's worse things than death. And there was a whole generation--not to sound cold, and people get mad at me for saying it--but we're lucky that there was a whole generation of Americans in 1776 who said, "It would be better to die than to not have these rights--ripped down. And they gave us a gift of that Bill of Rights.
And in one year, at the biding of a doctor who's telling us, you need to do this to save them--orchestrated fear, and all of the weird stuff they did with the numbers, which not what public health is supposed to be doing. In one year, those rights have been taken away from us.
And, you know, we, we--democrats, republicans--need to stop fighting each other, and we need to start fighting the bad guys, the people who are taking away everything we value. And you know, there's no such thing as republican children and democratic children. Our when our kids deserve to have the same Bill of Rights that our parents gave us, and people need--whatever their fears are, to put those aside--and demand that we get those things back.
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Carlson: "I, I think it's a really moving summation. It's not just, and we could go on forever, but, to sum it up for us, this is not just a domestic phenomenon, the old system being swept away because of COVID. I mean, this is--you describe it as the end of liberal democracy globally."
RFK Jr:
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I, and that, I think, I do a job in that book that nobody's ever done before, and, I think it will become clear to people when they read the last chapter in this book, how this happened--how all these libral democracies across the globe pivoted simultaneously to obliterate constitutional--to have, as I said, coup d'etat against--democracy globally, and to impose totalitarian controls like nobody's ever experienced.
You know, people sit around and say, "How did they all know what to do at the exact same time?". And I showed that in this book, exactly--the had been planning it for 20 years. And this is going to sound paranoid and a conspiracy theory, but you know know it because I've documented exactly what happened--names, dates, and, you know, the involvement of --really deep involvement--of the intelligence agencies, of people from the bio-weapons divisions of our militaries across the globe, who were more aligned with China, the bioweapons developers in China and the United States were more aligned and loyal to each other than they were to the nations that they were supposed to be defending. It's a very odd phenomenon, but I show how it happened meticulously, and I would urge people, if you read nothing else, read the last chapter of that book. It's called "Germ Games", and you will understand how your government turned against you.
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Carlson: "Yeah, I read it last night, and stayed up until two in the morning. Huh he hah it upset me! I've got to last one last question that's not germane to any of this, but I just can't control myself because this is something of interest to me. So, uh, the Warren Commission, which was the commission which investigated the murder of your uncle in 1963 in Dallas, you know, produced this massive volume of paper, nearly sixty years later--some of it is still classified--we just learned that it will not be--it was supposed to be released years ago, it still has not been released--given everyone directly involved is dead, why do you think those materials are still classified?"
RFK Jr:
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It is a mystery. I mean, clearly, as you and I talked about, it's not about--it can't be that they're protecting an individual, they have to be protecting institutions. It's weird because, you know, I didn't agree with Trump on a lot of stuff, but Trump, one of the things about him was, he was willing to defy instituions and break things. And he did not like the CIA. He promised he was going to release them. Nd
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Carlson: "I know."
RFK Jr:
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And then, he didn't. And, you know, I'd like--if I ever run into him again, I'm going to ask him, you know, "Why, why, what made you chan--what did they tell you that made you change your mind. And, of course, you know, I have no idea what Biden's thinking of this, but, they all promised they're going to release it, and then they all stop, you know. It's--our country really took a turn at that point in history, and it's really important for Americans to really understand what happened, and, you know, the Warren Commission was a whitewash, uh, I don't think any Americans, there's almost no Americans other than highly placed people in the New York Times who believe the Warren Commission, you know, and, um, ah, I hope, at some point, we do find out something about the truth.
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Carlson: "Do you think we will?"
RFK Jr:
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I don't know--I, I've given up making predictions, Tucker.
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Carlson: "Huh huh huh ho ho ho huh."
RFK Jr:
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Huh huh huh .
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Carlson: "I just want to say it again, of all the people who need to write a book like this, you're at the very--you're in the las--you're in last place. You had no reason to write this, but you did anywhere, and I'm just really, really grateful for your bravery, and the meticulousness of your research and your willingness to come on today, so thank you."
RFK Jr:
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Thank you for your courage and having me on, because I haven't been on a TV show like this in fifteen years, so, thank you.
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Carlson: "We didn't, we didn't think twice. I was so impressed by it. The name of the book is 'The Real Anthony Fauci'. Absolutely worth reading. Bobby Kennedy, Junior: the nam of the guest. Tucker Carlson: the name of the show. New episdoes every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on FOX Nation. We will see you every weeknight on the FOX news channel."pre
