SH Archive Did Cherokee Indians Build the Greco-Roman Architecture in the U.S.?

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Username: JustWow
Date: 2019-01-31 14:21:53
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This is a comment under JonLevi's latest vid, False Historical Narrative:

My great grandparents said that the government was lying to us about how old everything is. They were Native American Indian. I have records dating back to 1500s from my ancestors. Book of Congress has records on Native American Indian tribes from 1300s living in the old city's.

Some of the Tribes (built them) and the Spanish. Spain/Mexico had a war with Texas Republic 1600s Then White government started removal of Native American Indian tribes to Arkansas and Oklahoma. I am mixed with Irish/Klamath/ Choctaw blood. I have a old Bible date's to 1388. It's written in Cherokee/and some English. Show's one ancestor from Dublin Ireland married to Choctaw Louis Miller. The Native American people did use the Woman's maiden name. Anyway my membership tribes Klamath from Oregon Has records from over 5000 years ago. We have kept them secret. I also have 6 years of American history in my college. And ancestry genealogy. Our school history books lie. Talk about government cover ups.

I have just spent 15 minutes trying to find these comment on the referenced video- there are over 900 comments. Can you tell me who posted it? I want to contact them. Thank you.

 

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Date: 2019-01-31 14:49:09
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I have just spent 15 minutes trying to find these comment on the referenced video- there are over 900 comments. Can you tell me who posted it? I want to contact them. Thank you.

The commentor deleted the post shortly after he wrote it. He was getting a lot of likes and replies. It may have spooked him.

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-01-31 19:38:01
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So... if species are galaxies for some mysterious reason why can't ancient cultures like ancient Tartarians be isolated mysteriously for thousands of years before they moved into the new world some becoming Cherokees eventually? For some reason the most ancient of Tartarians were couch potatoes never migrating very far from their "homeland". Why not a smallish group of 1,000 or so people corralled into the Altai mountain region just long enough for that allele to originate and spread in that small group? Then and only then are the let out of their "cage" and possibly pointed in the direction of North America and a few other places.
Interesting its thought the Lake Baikal region East of the Altai mountains is riddled with extremely deep cave regions.

I thought that was kind of the point I was trying to make.
Kansas University says the "smallish group" was about 250 people. Personally, I think a lot of these official studies just pull their numbers out of a hat but the idea is the same. Smallish group came from elsewhere and started the various Native American tribes. Don't think any of the tribes build Gothic-style buildings or anything more sophisticated than log cabin type lodges.

 

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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2019-01-31 22:30:44
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I thought that was kind of the point I was trying to make.
Kansas University says the "smallish group" was about 250 people. Personally, I think a lot of these official studies just pull their numbers out of a hat but the idea is the same. Smallish group came from elsewhere and started the various Native American tribes. Don't think any of the tribes build Gothic-style buildings or anything more sophisticated than log cabin type lodges.

I was creating some mystery as to "how" this small group might have been isolated. By ancient aliens of course. I am starting to thick big...

My guess is that any tribal mythology dealing with living in caves for an extended period of time during the inception of a tribe could refer to being corralled by some kind of ancient alien group. This also might explain why 95% of all species seems to have unnatural boundaries separating one from the other that currently can't be explained by conventional evolutionary theory.

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-01-31 23:54:28
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That is thinking big. None of us may be originally from this planet. We may all be the descendants of previous survivors of a destroyed planet. I was trying (and failing) to stick to the topic at hand. If N.A, built the Gothic style houses that were here when the colonists moved in, why weren't they living in them? If they had the skills and civilization building culture capable of conceiving and erecting such edifices (and all the infrastructure that goes with quarrying stone, cutting timbers, etc.), why are the earliest accounts by settlers of the "savages" living like wild men, wearing animal skins (no textile production) and eating their neighbors/enemies? Even if they were survivors of a collapsed civilization, surely they would have moved into better accommodations than glamping by a running brook.

If the settlers built those houses then how did they do it? Even the official story says they required native assistance to survive the winter and their first colony just up and vanished like a fart in the wind. How many people did they have doing construction? How could they accomplish any major construction like stone buildings when they needed to devote all their time, energy and resources to planting crops, defense against the "savages", and surviving the winters?

I think the buildings were made by the dying civilization that was already here. The natives have stories of fighting with giants and others that were not other tribes. Oodles of giant skeletons were unearthed in the 1800's by farmers and miners.

And, in keeping with your big thinking...the Cherokee have stories of the "little people" who guided them to this land and protected them and taught them to live. Considering the natives lifestyle and technological achievements at the time of colonist' arrival, it's highly improbable that natives of any tribe built the Gothic structures in early America.

 

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Date: 2019-02-01 10:14:39
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I just wanted to add this video into the mix. It’s a personal account of a black indigenous elder that points to black people being indigenous to North America, and she identifies with the Choctaw tribe.

From Tasha Xi . What you were told is from Africa is actually indigenous.

 

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Username: JustWow
Date: 2019-02-01 23:54:26
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The commentor deleted the post shortly after he wrote it. He was getting a lot of likes and replies. It may have spooked him.

Thank you for the info - I really looked hard!!

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-02-03 02:26:30
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Not sure what the "book of congress" is but if they have records on this subject is it possible to access those records?

 

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Username: PrimalRed
Date: 2019-03-04 08:29:53
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I recall reading in several books that there were fair skinned Native Americans with blonde hair- Crazy Horse had traces of this lineage.

Cahokia was also at the time the biggest city in the world, and it’s mounds were absolutely huge. All the vast acreage of “cultivated” land that eventually became the modern plantations and cities of today were at one point huge beautiful ‘gardens’ cultivated by the Natives, if you read the old descriptions of them they sound more like giant outdoor ‘gardens’ of Rome: fountains, pathways, architecture blended harmoniously into nature. Miles and miles and miles of ‘gardens’.

 

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Username: GroundhogLfe
Date: 2019-03-04 08:53:07
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I recall reading in several books that there were fair skinned Native Americans with blonde hair- Crazy Horse had traces of this lineage.

Cahokia was also at the time the biggest city in the world, and it’s mounds were absolutely huge. All the vast acreage of “cultivated” land that eventually became the modern plantations and cities of today were at one point huge beautiful ‘gardens’ cultivated by the Natives, if you read the old descriptions of them they sound more like giant outdoor ‘gardens’ of Rome: fountains, pathways, architecture blended harmoniously into nature. Miles and miles and miles of ‘gardens’.

If I recall it right, it was E.A Wallis Budge that had a theory that at least some of the North Eastern Indians were of a mixture of African and Ancient European origins. The academia did not put much in to that and it was laughed of, but that would actually very well work with my theory on the beginnings of AUC 0 in this great OP in the thread.

Presuming that all of that is correct, it could explain the Cherokee claims of having some "Roman" ancestry and where they then could've got the ideas for those similar type of buildings. I'm not sure of the ancestry of those existing buildings however, but perhaps there used to be something to it at least.

 

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Date: 2019-03-04 16:33:38
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When the Europeans came to America there was a lot of speculation as to where the "Indians" originated. Lots of theories abounded until we finally wound up with the Bering Strait land bridge crossing theory that we have today. I find it amusing that no one considers that they may have been here all along. No one asks where the Africans migrated from or the Europeans. It's just assumed they were always there. Not sure how academia reconciles their conflicting stories of "we all came out of Africa" with the "middle east is the cradle of civilization" but that's what we have. I guess we all went from swinging in trees until we got to Sumeria and then put down our bananas and started building megalithic geopolymer edifices. Makes perfect sense.

America seemed to always have a multi-cultural peoples and races when the Europeans showed up. There's mention of blacks, whites, red man and Asian looking peoples in the earliest writings.

In addition to hide teepees, Indians also built long houses which they probably learned from the Vikings who were here long before Columbus. We have no indication today that they ever built anything more sophisticated than those. Of course, that information may have all been erased but we have what we have. Even they deny being the mound builders and say others before them did it. There's some archaeological evidence that there WERE people here long before the "natives" were alleged to show up and were killed off by them. Those people may have been the builders and were probably a dying race by the time the "natives" got here. The most recent DNA evidence says that AmerIndians share no genetic relation to Asians or any other race of people. They are unique.

They may have been here all along sharing the land with whoever the dying race was until the dying race became weak enough to be finished off. Still, I wonder why they never moved into and occupied the abandoned stone houses of the conquered. Afraid of disease that may still have lingered in the houses? Just too foreign for their comfort level? Superstition surrounding the abodes of conquered people? The fact that they were found living in those edifices indicates to me that they also weren't the builders.

 

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Date: 2019-08-30 18:25:52
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I'm not sure if it was just those tribes because this architecture style makes it pretty far NE into Onondaga territory.

Here's a general history of a lot of the buildings in the town. Almost all of them have a date the building was constructed, but not this one...

• An Historical Walking Tour of DOWNTOWN Cortland, New York

No gargoyles remaining unfortunately.

Here's the accepted history of the area:
Native American Presence The area that is now Cortland County was a hunting and camping ground for the Onondaga people prior to European settlement, but no permanent villages were established there. The Tioughnioga served as a transportation route. A number of temporary gathering places and camps have been identified in the area. By the time European-American settlement began in earnest, after the Revolutionary War, virtually all Native American Indians had been removed from Central New York’s Cortland County.

Early European Settlement, 1798-1854
European settlement of Cortland and the surrounding area began after the Revolutionary War, when 1.68 million acres in central New York were set aside as the “Military Tract,” to be given to veterans as compensation for their service. Few veterans took up the offer. The first settler in what is now the city of Cortland was Jonathan Hubbard; the settlement was first known as Hubbard’s Corners.

Other notable buildings in the town:

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-08-31 00:29:05
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This is the high school I went to in Missouri, and still is the high school. An example of ‘Cherokee architecture’ I presume. This is a small town . I have looked, in vain, for any history on it, although another building used to be the high school which isn’t fancy.
The town is on the Santa Fe trail and has all those interesting buildings,including the library which used to be the post office. The original library was a Carnegie library and there are lots of mason there- though I had no idea then. I got hold of the librarian and asked for info on these buildings and she was very abrupt. In the old days the librarian would’ve talked your ear off about it- maybe. They sure did about old Dixie (even though this town is in northern Missouri, and 1/3 black) but maybe mason stuff is hush hush.

 

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Date: 2020-03-11 21:34:26
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When the Cherokees called Rome their homeland, how certain was it that they were talking about Rome, Georgia and not a Rome in the East, in Europe or even Asia? I've read that their genetics is linked to those of the Mediterranean and that they descended from "Atalans/Atlantes" from the East. I have also read that some of them had Islamic names and followed the religion. From the Fomenko material, he says that there were several Romes before the one in Italy, and that Constantinople was called Rome. I know that in Islam in the Quran, there is a chapter called "Al-Rum" which is translated as the "Byzantines" or "Romans", who were apparently allies of the Muslims. So this makes me wonder if the entire Byzantine Empire was called Rome then, and if the Empire was much larger than is commonly believed. Maybe this was actually the Ancient Rome that built so much back then and then later the Latin Romans got the credit?

 

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Username: iwunderwho
Date: 2020-03-12 00:36:29
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Living on "reservations"

I'm not sure why I was taken away to live in hills of the Cascade range, but found comfort in being alone there. Our Farm was in old Wyerhouser Territory. With stumps running 20 feet in diameter. They were hollowed out from rot, but you could easily see the where the plank boards were set, some ten feet into the air, where the taper of the tree would accommodate the two man saws.

My adoptive mother claimed that she was part Native, from the Dakotas. Her Great Grandmother, whom lived past 100, owned a 1200 acre ranch. Used two canes to get around. Smoked cigars and drank a shot of whiskey every night at bedtime.

I was also a cub-master, but do not assume to know their ways. Therefore, I do not profess to be the expert, but I do have a keen sense of observation, (No, I do not believe fully in the "cowboys and Indians" story line, either).

The “natives” were known for in living pyramidal tents called Tee Pees.

TP = 36, which is 9, (hence 3, 6, and 9 of the Rodin coil). The angle of these tents resemble the roughly 52 degree angle, and they are known to keep warm by burning small fires inside. As pyramid means “fire in the middle”, yet phonetically, it's "peer ah mid". The minds eye.

I remember reading that it is believed that the Natives are of the original surviving twelve tribes of Israel. I'm not sure what is actually "real". However, I ask the questions: Where did they get their influence to build and utilize such structures? Why did they choose to remain humble people and live off the land? Is their story true, or are the tee pee’s a hoax or trick?

The Indians, whom survived the last “event” living in their pyramidal tee-pees, continued to smoke as a form of “medicine”, (which apparently counters fluoride and metal poisoning). They ate all kinds of natural foods and were devoid of all things technology, including metal. Opting for stone and flint to fashion knives and arrow heads. The “stone age”? They were considers Savages, which means “save” ages. More implied lies?

Our language is very "telling". It's code, not for the ignorant, and so are the images.

We know that they were sent to "reservations". It may be possible that they in fact had "reservations" about our methods and lifestyle. What did they know and why didn't they rebuild if they were of the past whose monuments echo of a broken pride?

Perhaps their images of living in Tents is nothing more than refugee camps? Regardless, their choice in materials and methods is very telling.

We have no clue because the natives in those old photos are not here to tell their side of the story. But what if they are in fact, those whom came before? TeePee=11, and TP=36, but the 9 is missing because it requires 3+6. Thus 9/11. Which is "nine, we live in." While Native is "Nah" for no, and tive is?

However: Positive (adj.)
early 14c., originally a legal term meaning "formally laid down," from Old French positif (13c.) and directly from Latin positivus "settled by agreement, positive" (opposed to naturalis "natural"), from positus, past participle of ponere "put, place"

Nah tive is then "placed without agreement."

That said. It's no excuse to fetch pitchforks and torches. There is a lesson in this. What would be the case for taking drastic measures to round these people up? What real secrets are they hiding? We're so apt to blame the ruling class without considering that all of us are paying the price.

The truth? We're all Natives here.

I'm not sure why, but I've been asked to suggest that each and everyone of you, if possible, go take a walk tonight and get some fresh air.
Leave the gadgets home.

 

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Date: 2020-03-12 04:39:58
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Thanks for that. Very thought provoking. Yes I definitely think it is all about phonetics in the language of Angels. I'll have a stab at this one: native - nay-thieve?

 

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Username: iwunderwho
Date: 2020-03-12 10:00:00
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Thanks for that. Very thought provoking. Yes I definitely think it is all about phonetics in the language of Angels. I'll have a stab at this one: native - nay-thieve?

Stab? Interesting how abusive our language is. There is "power in the word", look it up. So, perhaps it's "naive is"? As we are so naive. So many meanings that ring true from single words.

I make no claim. All that I find is easy to do and then connect the dots. 9/11, two towers falling is about divide and conquer. A lesson about selfishness in our lives, which we take for granted and think is normal. The towers as a world trade center, is one such clue about greed. "A good teacher will show you where to look, but not what to see." All these events, including old photos are code.

Matthew 6:24 (3).
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

9/11 was a lesson -for all of us. Money says "In God we Trust". But whom then is "God"? Why does "God" need money? Could money be a trick? Ouch.

There are ten laws or commandments (rules of the game, or engagement). Of all the rules, number 10, "Do not covet" the property/status of others is the last, but it's the most lethal. Why? Simple. Obey that rule and your won't break the other nine. Then all the Buddhist and Natives will agree with you.

Here in this thread we've revealed that the Indians might have been the original creators of the lost world. Yet, now they live in tents, sit around camp fires and are all about nature and healing. What do they know? Is there a lesson in that for us?

The Natives are about community, tribes and family. Well, it appears they've managed just fine without all the technology. Eh?
Maybe. Some now run Gambling Casino's, etc. Not so "native" after-all.

Can we be saved? Saved from ourselves?

 

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Date: 2020-05-05 05:04:40
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In the winter of 1847, the people of Ireland were suffering from a devastating famine. Meanwhile, members of the Choctaw Nation of American Indians, one of the five great southern tribes of the United States, met in a small town in Indian Territory called Skullyville. There, members of the tribe discussed the experiences of the Irish poor. It was proposed that they would gather what monies they could spare. This wasn’t going to be much in the wake of their recent removal from their tribal homelands east of the Mississippi River.

Ultimately, they collected $170, a sum roughly equivalent to $5,000 (£3,900) today. Rather than use what money they had to buy badly needed resources in the new territory – land, food, housing, and so on – the tribe made the altogether remarkable decision to send a goodly portion of their money to those who were starving and destitute in Ireland.

So, a 173 years ago, while Native Americans were on the mothereffing Trail of Tears - Wikipedia, the Choctaw sent what little they could to Ireland during the poatato famine, then, today I read:
Irish dig deep to support virus-hit native Americans, repaying 150-year-old debt

Are these people related? Because I'm thinking they're related. They sound like family, but my history book says *checks notes*, "No, these people have never seen each other in their lives. Why, even with internet, they still do not know of each other's existence."

Okay

 

[Kent_Woods]

This is a fantastic post. Thank you for this. A Native American man owning a 223 (A La Skull and Bones) acre plantation is exactly the kind of anomalous historical fact that opens people up to questioning the official timeline and narrative.