SH Archive Ditch Tesla, buy Babcock Runabout: 1,244 miles on one battery in 1909

[wizz33]

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Username: wizz33
Date: 2019-03-21 22:33:12
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it also could be 1 of the 200 ways to generate electricity or amplify see this for examples and a 50 mb Book and lots of pdfs
Simple Guide to Free-Energy

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-03-21 22:35:32
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How about this 1908, 34 person bus? Do you think those tires could go flat? What's the capacity of the battery it had?

• The evidence - A Most Deliberate Swindle

 

[Archive]

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Username: Ladybug
Date: 2019-03-22 03:08:06
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it also could be 1 of the 200 ways to generate electricity or amplify see this for examples and a 50 mb Book and lots of pdfs
Simple Guide to Free-Energy

Thank you for the free-energy info link !! Very cool stuff!!

 

[Archive]

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-03-22 13:07:29
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I have ridden in an electric milk float, pick up and bogie over the years and all of them had solid rubber tyres. The former where used at the dairy the sixteen year old me worked at and the latter were used in the shipyard.

 

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Username: HulkSmash
Date: 2019-03-22 15:25:00
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very cool information find KD! I had no idea this many electric cars existed in general, let alone 100 years ago! Really explains a lot about our history. Makes more sense regarding a reset. If there was that much knowledge about electricity, batteries, boy it makes me angry that it all was suppressed, destroyed, forgotten! Could you imagine what our world would be like today if transportation was kept electric since then? Wow, it would be very, very different, in so many ways. Grrrr.....feel like smashing!

 

[Archive]

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-03-22 15:57:39
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Notes on the advertising truck above (160 acres for free, yes please!)
Electric motor on each wheel.
Solid rubber tyre and rim brakes with metal wheels.
Leaf springs on each axle.
Radiator or oil cooler just in front of the battery box.
Steel pressure vessel at rear of battery box.
Given its in Canada there must be some form of heating in use for the drivers cab which is hard too fathom.
Looks like its all wheel steer as well if those pairs of what look like pistons on the wheels are a guide, possibly hydraulic steering and if so there must be a hydraulic pump and motor to maintain pressure so could this motor be the source of the heat, not to mention the possibility of heat coming from the pressurised hydraulic fluid.

There are seven open throw knife switches behind the drivers head, with another set on the opposite side of the cap in between there are at least a pair of bigger knife switches and what look like two volt/amp meters above his head.

The chassis though isn't that 'immense' so my guess is the batteries are nickel iron batteries like these nickel iron battery information
not lead acid which were the batteries on the milk float and pick up. Looking back not sure about the bogey batteries as they predated the pick up by decades.

We really are being regressed into a technological dead end.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-03-24 01:56:38
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Here is an interesting 19th century electric combo.

Hybrid Car

In 1889, a gasoline-electric hybrid rail-car was devised by one William H. Patton. Although not a car by our definition, it's still a very interesting concept. The same chap also adapted his design for use in a boat propulsion system the same year.
A little later in 1901, whilst working at the Lohner Coach Factory, one Ferdinand Porsche developed his Mixte. This was a four-wheel-drive hybrid version of the "System Lohner-Porsche" electrical carriage that was displayed at the Paris World Fair of the same year.

The Lohner-Porsche Mixte, circa 1902

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-03-25 16:00:14
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I'd not heard/seen these hybrids so I looked up "Porsche Mixte" and found this unlikely story as the official narrative:

Despite Porsche having no formal engineering education, Jacob Lohner, at his Lohner-Werke, employed him to develop an electric powertrain for his coaches. The enormous Lohner required 1.8 tonnes of batteries consisting of a 44-cell 80-volt lead-acid battery, all housed in a spring-suspended battery container to protect the fragile cells. The four electric motors weighed a total of 1280 pounds, contributing to a total vehicle weight of over 4 tonnes on its Continental pneumatic tires. (Do those tires look like they're capable of holding 8000 pounds plus the weight of passengers?)

Porsche won the 1905 Potting Prize as Austria's most outstanding automotive engineer. In 1906, Porsche was snapped up by Daimler-Benz as chief designer. The Lohner-Porsche's design was studied by Boeing and NASA to create the Apollo program's Lunar Roving Vehicle. Many of its design principles were mirrored in the Rover's design. The series hybrid concept underpins many modern railway locomotives.

I often wonder what happened to all the formally educated, trained, skilled people during our mysterious time frame that all these rank amateurs were snapped up like gold to (re)create technology. You've got anti-science priests/monks creating architecture and technological devices as well as try-your-luck-and-move-to Vienna guys with no formal education inventing things that our current technology depends on.

 

[Archive]

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-03-25 18:19:55
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New York City’s first electric taxicabs, 1902


And another delivery truck. From 1905


1910s, Ambulance

 

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Username: Obertryn
Date: 2019-04-12 11:06:06
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It's so bizarre looking at those things. Like someone took a horse carriage and slapped on an electric engine just for the hell of it. No real consideration for speed and maneuverability or energy consumption in relation to weight like when designing modern vehicles, which suggests that whoever designed them had no clue what they were doing, it just "worked".

 

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Date: 2019-04-12 11:43:51
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No real consideration for speed and maneuverability or energy consumption in relation to weight like when designing modern vehicles, which suggests that whoever designed them had no clue what they were doing, it just "worked".

That's the difficulty with applying today's methodology to the pictures of the past. Speed wasn't an issue, neither was energy consumption. Being 'modern' was clearly as important back then as it is today as these things existed along with horse and cart and petrol engined road transport along with steam and electric trains.
Electric power was the 'new god' of the day back then unlike today where it is taken for granted indeed could be argued by many alive today a necessity of life. The only reason speed, maneuverability, energy consumption appear to matter today is the constant manipulation downwards of the value of 'the currency' to make 'expense and cost' the current 'gods'.

Point is back when these things were running around batteries lasted longer and could do more than 'modern' batteries. The hardware was engineered, not designed, engineered to work and work for a very long time without breaking down unlike today's 'vehicles' which have built in obsolescence and stop working when the 'operating system' decides.

We really are being regressed into some kind of zombie reality for reasons I know not. Actually i feel it's because we remembering what we truly are.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-12 21:42:11
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Interesting stuff. Apparently the very first electric car was made in 1834 by Thomas Davenport. I wish we had an image of this car.

• History and Directory of Electric Cars from 1834 - 1987

Edit: As it often happens, 1834 electric car was not the first one. sounds like this 1828 was, or may be was.

• Electric vehicle model by Ányos Jedlik, the inventor of an early type of electric motor (1828, Hungary).

 

[Nezumi]

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Username: Nezumi
Date: 2019-09-16 23:25:55
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I found this Catalog from this youtube video: Link. Quite interesting to see the different models.

Here are some images but check the full Catalog out.

 

[Archive]

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Username: aero618
Date: 2019-10-16 18:17:02
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Electricity wars of 1880's~ just a theory
Starting in the late 1880s, Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla were embroiled in a battle now known as the War of the Currents-
Batteries produce dc electricity, and where the science of elctricity started. As the implemantation of electricity grew, dc was not best placed as it is not easilly converted to higher/lower voltages, and it requires larger cable sizing compared to an ac power equivelent because of current and heat generated~ early dc installations from local "city block" powergrids fed from local generators were notorious for catching fires- dc arcing at switches is notorious.
Edison had heavily invested in dc patents and Nikola Teslas was promoting ac electricity; they were litterally battling it out publically. Edison won at first and crushed Tesla support (we all know this), but later ac prooved the way to go.

Interestingly, this battle was fought in part across the 1890-1916 Exposes, with Edison gaining contracts through GE that they lost huge sums of money on: you can imagine the "lighting" or "illumination" at these Expos became a trial of one-up-manship~ The War of the Currents: AC vs. DC Power'

Once ac won the battle for local grid systems, battery vehicles would require "converters" to change ac to dc~ which then were rotary machines, so no more simple plug-in charging: larger users of dc started to install the rotary converters as ac took over~ History | IEEE Power & Energy Magazine ther could well be some still in use today



sorry but couldn't resist this ~ still in use 2008, and now having a comeback (glass bottles when I was a kid though)

 

[EUAFU]

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Date: 2019-11-16 21:43:23
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Well, it seems Mr. Elon Musk is actually a guy who can't make electric batteries the same or better than those of the nineteenth century, in fact theirs seem to be inferior, but he can deceive people that he can send cars into space.
And I found that the electric scooters that are in fashion here in Brazil (busting people's heads due to the holes and irregularities of the public sidewalks) already existed.

As they say, there is nothing new under the sun.

 

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Username: Japod
Date: 2019-11-16 23:16:19
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How many electric car models do you know of the top of your head? Probably three or four. If you are really into it, may be ten, though I'm not even sure there are ten contemporary electric car models out there. Well, in the beginning of the 20th century there were hundreds of different models. A few of those models you can observe in the attachments representing just one 1907 catalog. In reality there were many more. I mean like WAY more!

Appears, one hundred years ago electric cars were a pretty common sight on the streets. I have heard that there were electric cars back then, but not to this degree. Many of those cars have a range comparable to their today's counterparts. 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria had the exact same range as 2010 Nissan Leaf.

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Then in 1909 the Fritchle Electric coupe toured 2,140 miles from Lincoln, NE to Washington DC through 10 states. This Electric Automobile averaged 90 miles per day of travel. Advertising claims 100 miles per charge. In 1916 Fritchle announced a gasoline-electric automobile with a four cylinder air cooled engine. They sold very few and the following year abandoned all production.

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I do not really know what to think about the below "Route of the 1244-mile tour through Illinois on one battery in a $ 1,600 Babcock Runabout." The original is being kept at the New York Public Library. I will base my opinion on more comprehensible distances.

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Electrical West, Volume 22.

1907 Electric Cars

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1907 Electric Trucks

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This lady is charging her Columbia Victoria Mark 68 in 1912.
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Technology of the previous civilization

The very first electric car, supposedly, was presented by Siemens and Halske in 1882. And those early electric cars looked neat, but very primitive. It also appears that most body styles were derived from those available in horse-drawn carriages. And with all this visual simplicity, these vehicles had ranges we were only able to mass produce in the 21st century. Let us take a look at the battery powering 2010 Nissan Leaf which is equal in range to 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria.

Nissan Leaf Battery Visuals

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• Number of battery modules in a Nissan Leaf: 48
• Number of cells per module: 4
• Weight of pack: 300 kilograms (660 pounds)
• Amount of lithium in the pack: 4 grams
• 192 laminated prismatic cells
• 360 V nominal voltage

1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria had a 28-cell lead-acid battery weighing 400–600 lb. I was not able to find a picture of the Fritchle battery, but apparently it was powerful enough to tow an Oldsmobile. And the below letter of appreciation from a grateful customer speaks volumes.

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1908 100-MILE FRITCHLE ELECTRIC - read those battery feedback letters. Amazing.

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The Fritchle batteries generally lasted for more than 10,000 mi and could be replaced at a cost of US$208. The cars were advertised and trademarked as "100-mile Fritchle Electrics," and they lived up to this claim. Another feature of the Fritchle was a regeneration system in which the motor became a generator when the car was coasting downhill, thereby partly recharging the batteries.

Yes, the max speed of 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria was only 22 MPH. Nissan Leaf is also heavier 3,300 lbs vs. 2,100 lbs for 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria. But we are talking about 1908. Today's battery makers have over 100 years of scientific R&D experience on those from the late 19th - early 20th century, and we are still at about 350 miles per charge.

Those people from over a century back, with their extremely limited scientific base were able to achieve similar things we are enjoying today. Where did this "ahead of its time" technology come from? I do not believe there was sufficient time for the natural, research based development for this quality level of power storage in 1900. Such a sharp technological contrast between the simplicity of the vehicle body and the durability of the power unit, suggests different levels of development. It's like the technology just fell into someone's lap. Be it in a way of documentation, or a whole warehouse fool of batteries.

What about the infrastructure required for production of all these electric cars? The catalog above probably contains 5% of all the electric cars produced at the time. Just pick at the below list of Early Electric Automobile Manufacturers. And those are electric cars only.

Early Electric Automobile Manufacturers

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Ugly crooked wooden utility poles, and dirt streets next to beautiful Colonial buildings (not yet discussed), ridiculous sails on gigantic 700 ft long iron ships, high quality pneumatic train cars replaced by benches on wheels, and many other things - all these are indicators of the unknown factor silently existing in our most recent past. The pneumatic train and electric car technologies quickly went away. Official reasons were similar: not profitable, not enough customers. Semi-official reason: gas sales bring more money. I think the real reason was that gifted technology without sufficient understanding is prone to being lost. They simply were unable to do anything with it.

It's so easy to explain everything by an "Industrial Revolution" excuse. We were dumb and stupid for centuries, and all over sudden everyone got smart at the same time. And only these little big mismatches stick out. They are only visible if you look, for if you don't, they are invisible. Well camouflaged by the fake historical non-sense they are. Our society prefers not to see all the contradictions hiding in the mysterious 19th century (and recent history in general.) I wonder why?

The Oil industry coupled with car industry has been buying up and suppressing battery and car patents for over a century in an effort to maintain profits from petrolium products.

 

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Electric everything over 100 years ago.
Bus
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Truck
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Street cars, trains even the line repair crews pickup was electric!
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I wonder which companies were making these remarkably slimline batteries, what type they were and how many hours of use they had pe day?

I want to buy one

 

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Date: 2020-04-25 22:34:44
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The evening times October 20, 1906

 

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Date: 2020-05-02 21:50:40
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The evening times October 20, 1906

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With the same car Mr. Babcock has made the round trip from Buffalo to Rochester, a distance of seventy-five miles in a day.

Well, that's not accurate. One way to Rochester to Buffalo is about 75 miles:



So, if he made that round trip, he needed to charge up in Rochester or the battery lasted even longer than reported.

 

[Jd755]

Pulling one out from the venerable archive and adding in these images.

Found in a twitter feed.