Eagle versus Serpent - What does It Mean?

[HELLBOY]

John David Ebert has produced a bewildering aray of videos but this series is very pertinent , in this episode he explains that the meso american mythos/ world view does not have a dragon slaying myth and the ramifications of that on their society.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6bC6BQ9ncU&t=226s

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Mexico Unexplained channel made this video about the 400 cloud serpents

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Jaj0vskmY
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Its a brief overview but it got me thinking, it has correlations to the story of angelic beings coming to Earth and mating with women also it gets around to talking about Aztec merchant traders and their forays into various societies being pretexts for war,which got me thinking about the biblical Exodus and I started looking at this whole thing as a kind of parallel history of conquest carried in the hemispheres one " Israelite" one "Canaanite". I dont know if I can make a whole thesis on this but it keeps being a theme ,Dragon cultures versus Eagle cultures. China has a long history of connection to the "dragon" and the harder I study Meso American myths the more connections keep coming to it and China culturally that is is in the form of world view and styles of government.

Not that an crazy idea there is cross contamination if we can get our ideas of reference and indoctrinated world views out of the way.I have a similar thesis that Ive been ruminating on for awhile

Your comment is very accurate, in fact if you analyze the personality of Quezalcoatl it is a very good person, according to Bernardino de Sahagun during his stay in Mexico they all lived in great wealth and abundance, he was chaste but fell from grace once when he was drunk, which affected him so much that he decided to leave. But another version says that he had to go because his brother gods led by Huitzilopochtli, a deity who curiously is half destruction and half peace, Ying and Yang, were already coming for him. So Quetzalcoatl leaves and tells them that he will return one day.

Another nation that proves not to be fighting dragons is "Tartary".
Who by the way, ruled over China.

In an article I read about symbols, apparently each god had his own avatar as here in the forum we have ours, each of us haha just kidding!
The 2-headed eagle that is dominating most of European aristocratic symbology (Germany, Austria, the Holy Roman Empire, etc.). ), is a national symbol of Russia and is revered by many secret societies, spearheaded by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry! Is the meaning completely lost ???
Now, there is an amazing story from South India that can unlock this ancient mystery forever. According to the Tamil Nadu scriptures, the name of this bird is Gandaberunda Gandaberunda - Wikipedia and he is a deeper transformation from Lord Narashinga Deva Narasingha Deva I - Wikipedia to fight with Lord Shiva Shiva - Wikipedia as Sharabha!
The gandaberunda or Berunda (Kannada: gaṇḍabhēruṇḍa ga ṇḍabheru ṇḍa), or Bheru ṇḍa (Sanskrit: bhēruṇḍa, enlightened. Terrible) is a two-headed bird in Hindu mythology, believed to possess immense magical force. He is an avatar of Lord Vishnu to fight against Lord Sharabha Sharabha - Wikipedia, who in turn was an avatar of Lord Shiva and had the mission to stop Narasimha Narasimha - Wikipedia, the lion avatar of Vishnu. It was the emblem of the Mysore kingdom under the Wodeyar kings, and after India gained independence, it was retained by the Mysore state as an emblem.
The Vathistabhana Purana, Vimathgira Purana, Pradhana Puranas, Prahladhaswayam Purana, Bhalukka Purana and many other Puranas narrate that Narasimha took the form of Gandabherunda (literally ′ ′ the mighty two heads ′ ′), a more ferocious two-headed animal, fighting and Fight and Kill Shiva-Sharabha.
Now the new question is: ′ ′ Is the never-ending obsession of the kings of Europe about the lion featured on their Coat of Arms related to Lord Narashinga, the ultimate combat avatar of God? "

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If you review several of the forum threads you will see that you can form an overview, this one that talks about the Phoenicians who perhaps dominated and dominate the world today, both they and the Masons claim to have built the temple of Solomon.
Curious that in Baalbek I find this Eagle that devours a serpent that represents Bacchus = Dionysus = Sabazio = Zeus the place renders baal a man looks like a Caananite. Dog Head = Cynocephalus

Although I remember that Jesus healed a demonized Caananite, do you remember what he said to her?
“Jesus went in the direction of the lands of Tire and Sidon. A Canaanite woman arriving from this territory began to shout: “Lord, son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is tormented by a demon ”. But Jesus did not answer a word. Then his disciples came to him and said, “Take care of her. Look how he screams behind us. " Jesus replied: "I was not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But the woman approached Jesus and, kneeling, said to him: "Lord, help me!" Jesus said to him: "The children's bread should not be thrown to dogs." The woman replied: "It is true, Lord, but also the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table of their masters." Then Jesus said to her: "Woman, may your wish be fulfilled!" And at that moment his daughter was cured.
Or the holy Caananita Christopher of Lycia Saint Christopher - Wikipedia.

There in that area we have a mixture of Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Mesopotamisco gods.
What makes an architectural niver paganism evident as already pointed out by KD.
The sacrifices of children in this place is also known and if the Aztecs come from Italy (Venice, Lombardia, Byzantium in Italy) it is evident why the Aztecs sacrificed people.

In fact it would be a great indicator of double-headed eagles in America Mayas, Tarascas, Oaxaca, Aztecas, I have several images about this. Even the first maps of Temix-Titan - Tenochtitlan bear the double-headed eagle. This image addresses it well.

The Aztecs wear the double-headed Eagle on their toga.

All the threads that I have considered important to understand who could be the Masons, the double-headed eagle, paganism, ect.
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/welcome-to-tenochtitlan-as-it-was-in-1520.147/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/country-that-the-spaniards-found-in-1521-called-yucatan.146/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/do-you-have-any-idea-who-this-character-carved-in-baalbek-is.5357/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/the-phoenicians-once-ruled-the-world-they-still-do-today.126/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/moctezuma-ii-the-holy-roman-emperor.1338/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/when-jesus-abandoned-america-or-why-tptb-prefer-pagan-gods.1300/

 

[grav]

This writer concludes that Moses was also Noah.

Comets and the Horns of Moses,
from Laura Knight-Jadczyk's series, The Secret History of the World

It's one of my Kindle books, as is Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision.

 

[HELLBOY]

I recently met this Italian man, he makes comparisons of symbols and figurines of different peoples.
Many times those comparisons are too surprising, that many of them deserve their own thread.
Luca Zampi

 

[HollyHoly]

Your comment is very accurate, in fact if you analyze the personality of Quetzalcoatl it is a very good person, according to Bernardino de Sahagun during his stay in Mexico they all lived in great wealth and abundance, he was chaste but fell from grace once when he was drunk, which affected him so much that he decided to leave. But another version says that he had to go because his brother gods led by Huitzilopochtli, a deity who curiously is half destruction and half peace, Ying and Yang, were already coming for him. So Quetzalcoatl leaves and tells them that he will return one day.

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Another nation that proves not to be fighting dragons is "Tartary".
Who by the way, ruled over China.

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In an article I read about symbols, apparently each god had his own avatar as here in the forum we have ours, each of us haha just kidding!
The 2-headed eagle that is dominating most of European aristocratic symbology (Germany, Austria, the Holy Roman Empire, etc.). ), is a national symbol of Russia and is revered by many secret societies, spearheaded by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry! Is the meaning completely lost ???
Now, there is an amazing story from South India that can unlock this ancient mystery forever. According to the Tamil Nadu scriptures, the name of this bird is Gandaberunda Gandaberunda - Wikipedia and he is a deeper transformation from Lord Narashinga Deva Narasingha Deva I - Wikipedia to fight with Lord Shiva Shiva - Wikipedia as Sharabha!
The gandaberunda or Berunda (Kannada: gaṇḍabhēruṇḍa ga ṇḍabheru ṇḍa), or Bheru ṇḍa (Sanskrit: bhēruṇḍa, enlightened. Terrible) is a two-headed bird in Hindu mythology, believed to possess immense magical force. He is an avatar of Lord Vishnu to fight against Lord Sharabha Sharabha - Wikipedia, who in turn was an avatar of Lord Shiva and had the mission to stop Narasimha Narasimha - Wikipedia, the lion avatar of Vishnu. It was the emblem of the Mysore kingdom under the Wodeyar kings, and after India gained independence, it was retained by the Mysore state as an emblem.
The Vathistabhana Purana, Vimathgira Purana, Pradhana Puranas, Prahladhaswayam Purana, Bhalukka Purana and many other Puranas narrate that Narasimha took the form of Gandabherunda (literally ′ ′ the mighty two heads ′ ′), a more ferocious two-headed animal, fighting and Fight and Kill Shiva-Sharabha.
Now the new question is: ′ ′ Is the never-ending obsession of the kings of Europe about the lion featured on their Coat of Arms related to Lord Narashinga, the ultimate combat avatar of God? "

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If you review several of the forum threads you will see that you can form an overview, this one that talks about the Phoenicians who perhaps dominated and dominate the world today, both they and the Masons claim to have built the temple of Solomon.
Curious that in Baalbek I find this Eagle that devours a serpent that represents Bacchus = Dionysus = Sabazio = Zeus the place renders baal a man looks like a Caananite. Dog Head = Cynocephalus

Although I remember that Jesus healed a demonized Caananite, do you remember what he said to her?
“Jesus went in the direction of the lands of Tire and Sidon. A Canaanite woman arriving from this territory began to shout: “Lord, son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is tormented by a demon ”. But Jesus did not answer a word. Then his disciples came to him and said, “Take care of her. Look how he screams behind us. " Jesus replied: "I was not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But the woman approached Jesus and, kneeling, said to him: "Lord, help me!" Jesus said to him: "The children's bread should not be thrown to dogs." The woman replied: "It is true, Lord, but also the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table of their masters." Then Jesus said to her: "Woman, may your wish be fulfilled!" And at that moment his daughter was cured.
Or the holy Caananita Christopher of Lycia Saint Christopher - Wikipedia.

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There in that area we have a mixture of Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Mesopotamisco gods.
What makes an architectural niver paganism evident as already pointed out by KD.
The sacrifices of children in this place is also known and if the Aztecs come from Italy (Venice, Lombardia, Byzantium in Italy) it is evident why the Aztecs sacrificed people.

In fact it would be a great indicator of double-headed eagles in America Mayas, Tarascas, Oaxaca, Aztecas, I have several images about this. Even the first maps of Temix-Titan - Tenochtitlan bear the double-headed eagle. This image addresses it well.

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The Aztecs wear the double-headed Eagle on their toga.

All the threads that I have considered important to understand who could be the Masons, the double-headed eagle, paganism, ect.
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/welcome-to-tenochtitlan-as-it-was-in-1520.147/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/country-that-the-spaniards-found-in-1521-called-yucatan.146/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/do-you-have-any-idea-who-this-character-carved-in-baalbek-is.5357/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/the-phoenicians-once-ruled-the-world-they-still-do-today.126/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/moctezuma-ii-the-holy-roman-emperor.1338/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/when-jesus-abandoned-america-or-why-tptb-prefer-pagan-gods.1300/

it s starting to seem like there is some mix up or misnaming or stolen identity hanky panky between the Quetzalcoatl a benevolent human teacher of righteousness and Quetzalcoatl the Feathered serpent God of many Meso American cultures . This is why I don't hop on the "Great Tartaria" train. Seems like the serpent dominated death cult as the Mayans and Aztecs with the same socio economic system stratospheric elites enslaving and feeding on the regular humans using 'science" look our best guys say if we don't sacrifice a few hundred of you a day to the sun that its just not going to come up and it wont rain and all the crops will fail." That was the science of the Aztec Empire and academia tells us that these guys had super advanced astronomy and math and architectural and engineering of water resources and they lived in ridiculous opulence . The same academia that likes to white wash the uncomfortable evidence of widespread human sacrifice and cannibalism by those same super scientists., I mean priests, who in every other society but the current one are the ones who have all the real knowledge and technology. The parallels with the social structure of China both now and in the past just stick out to me so Im coming around to thinking how could China be in Tartary and not be Tartary ,its the old if quacks and swims like a duck/dragon it must be a duck/dragon,

 

[HELLBOY]

it s starting to seem like there is some mix up or misnaming or stolen identity hanky panky between the Quetzalcoatl a benevolent human teacher of righteousness and Quetzalcoatl the Feathered serpent God of many Meso American cultures . This is why I don't hop on the "Great Tartaria" train. Seems like the serpent dominated death cult as the Mayans and Aztecs with the same socio economic system stratospheric elites enslaving and feeding on the regular humans using 'science" look our best guys say if we don't sacrifice a few hundred of you a day to the sun that its just not going to come up and it wont rain and all the crops will fail." That was the science of the Aztec Empire and academia tells us that these guys had super advanced astronomy and math and architectural and engineering of water resources and they lived in ridiculous opulence . The same academia that likes to white wash the uncomfortable evidence of widespread human sacrifice and cannibalism by those same super scientists., I mean priests, who in every other society but the current one are the ones who have all the real knowledge and technology. The parallels with the social structure of China both now and in the past just stick out to me so Im coming around to thinking how could China be in Tartary and not be Tartary ,its the old if quacks and swims like a duck/dragon it must be a duck/dragon,

I'm looking at Anatoly Fomenko's chronological map and I think he did get on something like "Great Tartary". According to him, the Cross, the Crescent, the Star, represented the same religion. After the death of Christ in 1200, Mongol expansion begins in revenge for the death of Christ, between the fourteenth, fifteenth and sixteenth centuries the empire was already global. Horde = Israel Ottomans = Judea In the seventeenth century, the entire empire began to separate. In this seventeenth century the spiritual schools were also dispersed and in the eighteenth the diversity of religions. These are the Romas of Fomenko: First in Egypt XI, second in Yoros, Crimea XII, third in Vladimir, Novgorod XIII, fourth in Constantinople (Global Empire) XVI, XV, fifth in Moscow XVI. In the seventeenth century the empire separated. The Ottomans maintain their territories until the 20th century but the Horde disintegrates into different empires that aspire to dominate the world as it was in the past. Colonization begins and they erase the past of the Horde, the fall of the Incas, Mayas, Aztecs, Toltecs. Empires such as Absburg, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, English, Chinese and Japanese are born. I guess this is where Russia eats the Tartary (Horde).
I notice how these ancient schools coincide in something similar to what Lao Tze preached. Laozi - Wikipedia
Maintain the balance between good and evil, knowing yourself, controlling your impulses and not letting your impulses control you, like anger.
He believed in the laws of nature, not those of men.
Later I find out that Lao Tze was an avatar of Vishnu, as well as Zoroaster and others. Vishnu Avatar - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

There is something that in fact, if it was carried out all over the world, if we base ourselves on official history, human sacrifice and if we apply Fomenko's chronology, all these ancient civilizations become contemporary.
Phenicia, Carthage, Greece, Rome, China, Japan, Scythians, Crimea, Mayas, Aztecs, Moche, Incas.
These Moches are curious because they have among their gods the Iguana gods, who live underground.
Curiously, its main god is also creator and destroyer, it is represented in a mural and is similar to the shields of other civilizations. Moche culture - Wikipedia

The Etruscan shield clearly represents the Gorgon Medusa, I understand that it was from Hyperborea, those who visited it were scared and say that the Irish went to study diabolical arts there, if you see the article of Hyperborea you will see wide connections. Hyperborea - Wikipedia
I remember more gods with that fanged look and sticking out their tongues like Tlaloc, the character at the center of the solar calendar, Shiva.
Fomenko chose not to speak of giants, automata, etc. Although history is full of technological devices, which if I found it curious, that says that after they avenged Christ it began to form as a type of representation of gladiatorial fight in honor of that fight, these fights were to the death.
Here in Mexico there was also something similar to a gladiator fight with the Aztecs.

The Spanish priests in the new Spain who thought that Quetzalcoatl was perhaps the apostle Tomas who supposedly went to India when in reality he went to the Indies, perhaps it can be squared because according to Fomenco Christ was alive in the twelfth century, to me it seems very strange that the second oldest map of Tenochtitlan 30 years after the fall is full of churches named after saints.
By the way, the names are well understood in Spanish, except for that Mosque with a crow on top that you can't understand what it says.

Tenochtitlán, 1521 — Viewer — World Digital Library
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John Ogilby in 1671 already mentioned things related to religion about Yucatan ...

And let's not forget the little newspaper about the country that the Spanish found in 1521 where child sacrifices are made.
What is translated is its own thread. SH Archive - Country that the Spaniards Found in 1521, Called Yucatan

Venetians = Phoenicians as I read in the thread about the Phoenicians, will this be part of the history rewritten to erase the Horde (Tartary)?
However, even today I hear about certain sects that practice child sacrifices and eat human flesh, slave sex sects among the political elite in Mexico and even serious people in the area of geopolitics pointing to these groups, said groups involved in holliwood and throwing rituals at full concerts or olympic inaugurations, etc.

Do you remember the one in Barcelona where Covid botargas roamed? and I think that's the name of the official mascot.
I saw the video on facebook, the description read like this:
Remember? These are the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, opening ceremony.
The mascot for those games was called COBI. and the games were in 1992. That is, COBI 19-92. What a coincidence not? Chance does NOT exist.
In other words, many years before the Dark Elite programmed their attacks on Humanity with "the virus". These opening ceremonies are rituals of Black Magic. The same, very similar, was repeated in the 2012 London Olympics, following the same agenda ... Log in to Facebook

 

[Onijunbei]

It means eagles can kill snakes... Maybe we can make a flag with a cat and a mouse in it's mouth..
Now if it is a coiled snake, that represents the ouroborus.. The ecliptic of the sun over one year.

Edit. Something just came to mind. The Snake was used symbolically for the sun and male fertility. If a king or nation was to take on the eagle eating snake archetype, it could represent the power of the King himself... Being the most virulent or having the power and authority to rule and to pass on his authority to his children. Maybe even having power greater than the sun itself, or authority over the sun.

 

[HELLBOY]

The serpent and the eagle are also mentioned by Nietzsche in thus I speak Zarathustra.
When Zarathustra has a vision and sees an eagle devouring a snake.
Thus spoke Zarathustra. A book for everyone and nobody.
A book written between 1883 and 1885 by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, considered his masterpiece.
A prophet named Zarathustra, a character inspired by Zoroaster, founder of Mazdeism or Zoroastrianism. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Wikipedia
Thus spoke Zarathustra. A book for everyone and nobody.
A book written between 1883 and 1885 by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, considered his masterpiece.
A prophet named Zarathustra, a character inspired by Zoroaster, founder of Mazdeism or Zoroastrianism.
Friedrich Nietzsche claimed in his work his hyperborean condition, beyond known limits, as opposed to the homogeneous thought of the time on moral and philosophical issues. Nietzsche referred to his sympathetic readers as Hyperboreans in The Antichrist (written in 1888, published in 1895):
Let's look at each other. We are Hyperboreans; we know very well how remote our home is.
He quoted Pindar and added:
Beyond the north, beyond the ice, beyond death; our life, our happiness.
The book is a critique of Christianity as a whole, and of modern concepts such as egalitarianism and democracy, which he sees as a persistent consequence of Christian ideals.
In the introduction, the philosopher announces that he is addressing a minority capable of understanding ("This book is made for very few readers. Perhaps none of them are alive yet. Those could be the ones who understand my Zarathustra: do I have the right? to be confused with those to whom attention is paid today? What belongs to me is the day after tomorrow. Some men are born posthumous ”). Nietzsche's ethics in this last period is closely linked to the will to power.
The Antichrist (book) - Wikipedia

 

[Onijunbei]

I got another one...
In astrology, scorpio has 3 avatars. The scorpion is level one
The serpent is level two
The eagle, sometimes Phoenix is level three.
Scorpio rules over the Occult, Mysteries, and hidden things. It is the sign of sex, death, and transformation.

 

[HELLBOY]

I got another one...
In astrology, scorpio has 3 avatars. The scorpion is level one
The serpent is level two
The eagle, sometimes Phoenix is level three.
Scorpio rules over the Occult, Mysteries, and hidden things. It is the sign of sex, death, and transformation.

Thanks! you're right, it's quite related.

 

[WhisperJack]

And never forget at the Battle at the Black Gate when the giant eagle Gwaihir the Windlord and his kinfolk attacked and disrupted the winged serpentine Nazgul.

 

[Simon Ruszczak]

So Earth in the past was invaded by two species of aliens, one evolved from birds, and the other from reptiles.

 

[BStankman]

So Earth in the past was invaded by two species of aliens, one evolved from birds, and the other from reptiles.

Maybe, maybe not.

Bird eats snake.
Aztec legend states they came from Aztlan and journeyed southward until they saw a sign from the gods.
The famous depiction on the Mexican flag and the founding of Tenochtitlan. A land where the eagle could defeat the snake.

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Snake eats bird.
It is possible the Aztecs were were forced out of their Aztlan homeland by another civilization?
The mound builders of Ohio and the East coast. Sometimes rumored to be red headed giants until the Smithsonian buried the evidence. The place where the snake ate the bird?

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[Potato]

I just finished watching "The Lost History of Flat Earth" video and according to the author the eagle, snake and griffon are alchemical symbols. Any nation using this symbol of eagle eating snake meant they possessed the ancient technology of harnessing electricity from the aether.

Just throwing one more theory into the ring.

 

[The Giver]

The "snake" or "dragon" is a representation of a comet, while bird of prey - often double-headed - is a symbol of planet Jupiter. A comet of colossal size was wreaking havoc in the sky and on Earth - destroying social, political and economic order - by causing disasters all over the world, hence associated with evil, until it had an interaction with planet Jupiter, which resulted in plasma formation coming from Jupiter in the sky in the shape that people associated with a bird of prey - only double-headed - hence Jupiter became associated with an image of a bird of prey. After Jupiter's interaction with a comet - interpreted by people as the "dragon" or "snake" - tail of the comet became separated and fell down to Earth with water and debris, which destroyed the comet, ending the times of chaos in the sky and on Earth, thus bird of prey - Jupiter - has won the battle. Then people adopted the bird of prey symbol - Jupiter's plasma formation - and started propagating it, that is why you can sometimes see in history two groups fighting between each other, while bearing the same symbol on their flags, shields, breastplates etc. It was symbol of "god" to them, which they worshiped and hoped to win the battle just like the source of the symbol - planet Jupiter - won against the enemy - comet symbolized as a snake or dragon. That's why cultures all over the world have a bird killing the snake motif.

 

[HollyHoly]

so far as regards serpents and birds Im going with the heraldic interpretation which would be the Eagle, Holy Roman empire and its colonies subsidiaries et al, meets eastern Dragon empire and its colonies and subsidiaries in Meso America and falls in love and absorb one another to become the one empire to rule them all The Land of the Feathered Serpent, bird becomes snake, snake becomes bird ,your worst nightmare as a form of govt

 

[Ouroboros226]

Quick question here: Any supporting evidence for all these half-human half-animal hybrids or sentient animal looking creatures being the result of ancient high technology relating to genetics and DNA splicing? I recall a youtube video of an indian explorer showing the DNA strand on an ancient hindu temple. The similarity was exact.

Also. A dream could just be a dream. But in a dream I had where I was looking at Egypt from high up I saw those bearded sumerian looking dudes(those with the handbags) walking around with animal bottoms (like centaurs). I expected to see them as constructs/machines, not as ACTUAL organic lifeforms.

I didn't have time to go through it all right now so I apologize if this has already been discussed. Is it really that far off to think ancient civilizations with their (but different to ours) technology actually created spliced hybrid species and that these were some of the mythical monsters?

 

[HELLBOY]

Quick question here: Any supporting evidence for all these half-human half-animal hybrids or sentient animal looking creatures being the result of ancient high technology relating to genetics and DNA splicing? I recall a youtube video of an indian explorer showing the DNA strand on an ancient hindu temple. The similarity was exact.

Also. A dream could just be a dream. But in a dream I had where I was looking at Egypt from high up I saw those bearded sumerian looking dudes(those with the handbags) walking around with animal bottoms (like centaurs). I expected to see them as constructs/machines, not as ACTUAL organic lifeforms.

I didn't have time to go through it all right now so I apologize if this has already been discussed. Is it really that far off to think ancient civilizations with their (but different to ours) technology actually created spliced hybrid species and that these were some of the mythical monsters?

I don't know about any theory but I wanted to share something with you, it is supposed that in the Arab mythology, there are so called genies and they can transform themselves at will into whatever they want.
The interesting thing is that wiki gives us these men of the pineapples.
Is that why in those lands they insist on destroying these archaeological sites? because they consider them diabolical in their culture?
Jinn - Wikipedia

 

[Akanah]

The reference to an eagle being able to eat a snake leads me to another thought. Perhaps the eagle stood for Rome and the snake stood for the Jewish god who was also depicted as a white snake. Someone referred to the Jewish people as viper-bred because they worshiped a white serpent as their god. This white snake may well have been identical to Quetzalcoatl. But behind Quetzalcoatl himself I also suspect the fish-man-god Oannes/Ea, who is supposed to have brought culture to the people. By the way, the name Oannes could have something to do with the names John and be an allusion to "John the Baptist", whereby a baptism can be carried out rather by a fish being than by a snake. The scales of a snake can well be confused with the scales of a fish.

 

[TheSpectacleIsYou]

What you have to understand about animal symbols is that they are characters, much in the way that Mickey Mouse is a character, and Donald Duck is a character. If you saw a picture of Mickey Mouse holding a dead Donald Duck's leg in his mouth, it forces you to either sympathize with Mickey Mouse or sympathize with Donald Duck. If you sympathize with Mickey Mouse (the eagle) then you'd wonder what evil deed did Donald do to deserve Mickey killing him for dinner, is it that Donald is weak and Mickey is justified in eating him? If you sympathize with Donald, you will wonder why Mickey is such an evil predator that he would kill his friend Donald Duck and eat him.

The symbol itself represents a Hegellian system of thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis. The synthesis is you seeking to either excuse Mickey for his attack on Donald, or to attack Mickey for his crime against Donald. Either you're pro-Eagle or pro-Snake, there's no peaceful middle. Either you as a worker act in building Mickey's temple to help him seek out the Donalds to destroy them, or you build Donald's temple to defend against the evil Mickey tyrant. What you're not supposed to do, is say I don't care about the Eagle or the Snake because they're silly animals and I want to go play some dice today.

There may be a third representation, in that the Eagle is carrying his injured wife the Snake, and they will have a baby little Queztl later.

As for the Snake eating the Egg, I've heard two explanations on it which lead me to believe it's also a Hegelian system. If the egg is the egg of evil, the spawn of the devil, then the snake has saved humanity by identifying it and consuming it into itself, leaving humanity innocent. If the egg is the egg of an innocent, then the snake is evil because it is eating the young of other mammals, or even other snakes.

 

[BernaysSauce]

Personally, I think the snake represents the land dwellers, the public, the farmers, the peasantry. I don't think you can discount the orientation of snakes via 'vibes', intuition of sorts.

The eagle would be those that have made it to the top of the mountain. Those that live up in the 'gods'. With such a great vantage point, the land before them and all of the snakes that inhabit it can be seen and studied, stalked, until the time comes to 'feed'.

Snakes being very much representated by the colour green, as were the 'poor' people of Constantinople. Royal purple being the colour of the 'nobility'. The eagle, in his red, white, and blue, is truly purple.

I may be way off, it may be the case that I've lost my mind to the ol' mindflayer, perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I don't think that's the case at all.

Personally, I think the snake represents the land dwellers, the public, the farmers, the peasantry. I don't think you can discount the orientation of snakes via 'vibes', intuition of sorts.

The eagle would be those that have made it to the top of the mountain. Those that live up in the 'gods'. With such a great vantage point, the land before them and all of the snakes that inhabit it can be seen and studied, stalked, until the time comes to 'feed'.

Snakes being very much representated by the colour green, as were the 'poor' people of Constantinople. Royal purple being the colour of the 'nobility'. The eagle, in his red, white, and blue, is truly purple.

I may be way off, it may be the case that I've lost my mind to the ol' mindflayer, perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I don't think that's the case at all.

What came first? The big fat chicken in the sky? or was the big fat chickens egg swallowed by the useless eaters, slithering around, down there, upon the ground?

Personally, I think the snake represents the land dwellers, the public, the farmers, the peasantry. I don't think you can discount the orientation of snakes via 'vibes', intuition of sorts.

The eagle would be those that have made it to the top of the mountain. Those that live up in the 'gods'. With such a great vantage point, the land before them and all of the snakes that inhabit it can be seen and studied, stalked, until the time comes to 'feed'.

Snakes being very much representated by the colour green, as were the 'poor' people of Constantinople. Royal purple being the colour of the 'nobility'. The eagle, in his red, white, and blue, is truly purple.

I may be way off, it may be the case that I've lost my mind to the ol' mindflayer, perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I don't think that's the case at all.

What came first? The big fat chicken in the sky? or was the big fat chickens egg swallowed by the useless eaters, slithering around, down there, upon the ground?

If we mix purple and green, we could be left with a real grey area

Personally, I think the snake represents the land dwellers, the public, the farmers, the peasantry. I don't think you can discount the orientation of snakes via 'vibes', intuition of sorts.

The eagle would be those that have made it to the top of the mountain. Those that live up in the 'gods'. With such a great vantage point, the land before them and all of the snakes that inhabit it can be seen and studied, stalked, until the time comes to 'feed'.

Snakes being very much representated by the colour green, as were the 'poor' people of Constantinople. Royal purple being the colour of the 'nobility'. The eagle, in his red, white, and blue, is truly purple.

I may be way off, it may be the case that I've lost my mind to the ol' mindflayer, perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I don't think that's the case at all.

What came first? The big fat chicken in the sky? or was the big fat chickens egg swallowed by the useless eaters, slithering around, down there, upon the ground?

If we mix purple and green, we could be left with a real grey area

Take a look at the domesticated dove, or, if you'd rather, the humble pigeon.
Theres also;
the snake = base instinct
The eagle = rises above, transcending those instincts.

But does it, really? Cosmic egg, eats the cosmic egg, births the cosmic egg (one way or another).

I'll stop now for a while.