SH Archive Excavation of Rome: archaeologists are silent

[BStankman]

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are the Tartars the bad guys?

Only from a European land ownership perspective.
The tent nomads do not respect property rights.



But if you are able to form a trade confederation with them, it was very lucrative.
Magnificent white cities of the golden horde(rs) were possible.

Chilaga
Ashgabat
Kazan

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2019-07-21 17:57:57
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Only from a European land ownership perspective.
The tent nomads do not respect property rights.

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But if you are able to form a trade confederation with them, it was very lucrative.
Magnificent white cities of the golden horde(rs) were possible.

Chilaga
Ashgabat
Kazan

Odd that the herdsmen/Tartars weren't bothered by the "pestiferous air" that drove out the inhabitants.

 

[wild heretic]

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Date: 2019-07-22 15:23:05
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Another Piranesi showing the arches...
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Campo Vaccino. Paysages et ruines de Rome. [Vesme 819-831] (series)1646.
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Campo Vaccino

TThe Grand View of Rome. Published by Giuseppe Vasi in 1765
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Giuseppe Vasi's 1765 Grand View of Campo Vaccino

Alexandria Gazette 1816





Alexandria gazette, commercial and political. (Alexandria [Va.]) 1812-1817, May 28, 1816, Image 2

Great find. Thanks very much for that.

The key parts there are:

"The political events of that period have doubtless contributed much to its diminution but the principle cause must be sought in the general relation of Rome and in the effects of its noxious atmosphere."

"Extensive districts of the city are transformed into villages, and are occupied by rustics, driven by the insalubrity of the atmosphere from their former dwellings."

Sounds like the effects of a volcanic eruption somewhere. The 1812 earthquakes very likely involved. Incredible if the effects reached as far as Italy.

Sounds like the rustics were the swarthy Italian looking types and the city dwellers the white pale face European ones.

Odd that the herdsmen/Tartars weren't bothered by the "pestiferous air" that drove out the inhabitants.

They probably had nowhere else to go and the city buildings might have been better than the countryside dwellings in terms of poisonous air. Or if the air was equally poisonous in the city, then a grand city building is better than a country hovel.

The rich city dwellers probably had the means to move elsewhere, wherever the catastrophy hadn't hit as much or at all.

Anyway, I have a new find I thought I'd shove in this thread. If you think it deserves a place elsewhere, then feel free to move it. I've just posted it on my own forum as well.

Got another possible "mudflooder". Can't believe I hadn't seen this before.

The Trevi Fountain in Rome.
Trevi Fountain Rome

Look at the rock in front of the building behind it, the "Palazzo Poli".
The rock of the fountain is "welded" on to the building and it covers the windows partially. The rock even covers part of the steps on the right.

There is no way this was a natural design. Why would you want to cover up your ground floor windows partially?

In my opinion this is probably volcanic ash that has hardened. Most of it has been removed except the bit we see in the above photo. Instead of chipping away at the hard rock in this instance, they have left it and made a feature out of it.

The fountain even looks to have covered u what was once the entrance to the palace.

It's also possible that a different fountain was present before the volcanic ash descended and they cleared away enough of the ash to get the fountain going again.

 

[Samson4prez]

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Date: 2019-09-23 06:41:01
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Yeah who knows, but I have a hard time envisioning a wheel barrow brigade burying a city. So many places the buried city has gone undetected for who knows how long and then somebody notices their basement goes on down a lot further than they ever imagined, the buried city always seems to be a big surprise. Which leads me to the conclusion that it had been buried for a lot longer than the locals could remember.

Maybe they were biting the city so it would stay above sea level?

Another Piranesi showing the arches...
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Campo Vaccino. Paysages et ruines de Rome. [Vesme 819-831] (series)1646.
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Campo Vaccino

TThe Grand View of Rome. Published by Giuseppe Vasi in 1765
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Giuseppe Vasi's 1765 Grand View of Campo Vaccino

Alexandria Gazette 1816





Alexandria gazette, commercial and political. (Alexandria [Va.]) 1812-1817, May 28, 1816, Image 2

Was there a plague or cholera epidemic

 

[JWW427]

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Date: 2019-10-01 20:44:58
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So, what do we currently believe as truth in regards to Rome?

• Our historical timeline is a dog's breakfast mess.
• Our "scientific" dating methods are highly suspect if not flat wrong.
• Archeology is run by mostly shallow-minded drones that think only within The Box.
• FACT: Historians and the Vatican PTB have lied to us on a titanic scale.
• The much-proffered, iron-clad concept of linear time is WRONG. Even mainstream physicists have stated this.
• Dating stone is impossible for us right now. At least in the public sector.
• Gobekli Tepi was a game-changer. 12,500 years old or so. The head archeologist, Herr Klaus Schmidt, had geologists date the site, not the usual archeo suspects. Stone and strata do not LIE.
• Far too may things are conveniently attributed to the "Romans." (They did not invent bricks or cement, but used them well).
• Geologists, including Robert Schoch of Sphinx bathtub fame, believe there was a Great Flood somewhere around 12,500 years ago which they have termed "The Meltwater Pulse 1-b."

I'm not defending any authors or historians like Hancock (He's scared of the PTB and too conservative in my view), but I think we should at least consider that ancient cities like Rome––may––be hundreds of thousands of years old. Floods, mud floods, plagues, volcanic eruptions, comet strikes, wars, etc. All relevant, all probably true. So many layers of different civilizations, one on top of the other. Some blended together seamlessly.
Buried buildings may be the result of tens of thousands of years of sedimentation, floods, and volcanic ash accumulation.

Conjecture:

This planet has been Grand Central Station for hundreds of millions of years in my opinion and that of many others hither and thither.
Was Hyperborea and Pangea a higher dimensional civilization of sorts billions of years ago settled by "bio-plasmic" colonists? Maybe. Sounds fun.
Was the Lemurian age followed by the Atlantis one? I believe so, and the worldwide pyramids are pretty damn good evidence of it.
Were the MU and Khmer empires founded millions of years ago in India and Southeast Asia? That would be neat.
Is the Earth really 12 billion years old? I sure don't believe the mainstream statement of 4.3B. Do you?

Rome is a multi-layer cake of previous civilizations and cultures mashed conveniently under the title of "The Roman Empire."
What about the Etruscans?
The Plesagians?
The megalith-builders of Italy?
The incredible technology of amphitheaters, Pantheons, and aqueducts?

We must see what's left of history with multiple viewpoints, multiple lenses, as many as we can. That's our responsibility here on the forum for others yet to join someday.
JWW

 

[Archive]

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Date: 2019-10-02 04:21:25
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I am going to be in Rome next month. If there is something specific you would like to me to research up close and take photos of for you, let me know.

 

[Huaqero]

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Let's start with the basics...
Seriously, how do we even know that Rome is ... Rome?

I mean, it is an ultra wild thought but -taking the Flood and the Reset theories to the extreme-
one could wildly guess that the original 'Rome' lies underwater somewhere on the Med floor
and the controllers among the survivors started naming damaged, but not flooded, cities of grand architecture as 'Rome', 'Athens', 'Carthago', etc.,
according to the survived literature of the pre-flood world,
giving the impression of a historical continuity...

I have some thoughts on that but let's leave it here, for the moment....

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I am going to be in Rome next month. If there is something specific you would like to me to research up close and take photos of for you, let me know.

Yes, please!
What's going on down there in Hadrian's Temple?

(My sister was in Rome this summer, I only thought of asking her to go there and take a photo when it was too late, just before her leaving, lol...)

 

[HollyHoly]

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Date: 2019-10-02 08:15:46
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I think I see some brick recycling /salvaging

 

[Archive]

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Hey Huaq....

detailed photos of Hadrian's temple is no problem, its just a few streets up from the Pantheon.
And yes I will be curious to see just how far down that opening is actually is.

If you have others to look at, we can add them to my list
Cheers

PS actually just found this close up photo of the area on the net....it is a lot of bricks down there

http://ancientrome.ru/art/artwork/arch/rom/rome/templum-hadriani-campus-martius/hadr002.jpg

 

[Archive]

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The national intelligencer and Washington advertiser. Aug 27, 1804
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The national intelligencer and Washington advertiser. (Washington City [D.C.]) 1800-1810, August 27, 1804, Image 3

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Damn, @Mabzynn! Crushing it with the evidence

These articles and images relate to this thread, imo. 200 years of Hell: America and the World

One of the fascinating things about this article is that the writer has been alive and witnessed the civilization, before and after. Wish he had been more specific about the 'political situation'. Lastly, these 'country people' certainly seem ill equipped, and uneducated about how to not only fix/clean things, but basic living skills. Maybe they were just walked out into the city, and left to fend for themselves.

 

[Archive]

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I'm not defending any authors or historians like Hancock (He's scared of the PTB and too conservative in my view), but I think we should at least consider that ancient cities like Rome––may––be hundreds of thousands of years old. Floods, mud floods, plagues, volcanic eruptions, comet strikes, wars, etc. All relevant, all probably true. So many layers of different civilizations, one on top of the other. Some blended together seamlessly.
Buried buildings may be the result of tens of thousands of years of sedimentation, floods, and volcanic ash accumulation.

Even while we can't date stone, but we can extrapolate - and it's obviously not the case with Rome or other "antique". They are too modern. Thousands of years result in "natural" forms of stones because of wind/water erosion. For example aqueducs can't be hundreds of thousands years old - earthquakes would destroy them all.

 

[Mabzynn]

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Probably something like these:

"Concurrent Phenomena" sinking a forest 30 feet below the surface.

SOURCE

Thunderstorm destroyed a castle? Kremnitz destroyed by lightning? Seems like it affected most of England? Also Orleans, France. Has Vesuvius activity as well.

This guy had an interesting theory:

Thunderstorm without lightning killing people and electric fire.

I think I know what happened to Manilla...

 

[Whitewave]

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That's a great article. Some strange phenomenon recorded. Gelatinous substance falling from the sky? Fire rising from the ground? Thunder without lightning destroying a town? Does current science have an explanation for these things? The article also gives some additional names for follow up and corroboration.

 

[Mabzynn]

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That's a great article. Some strange phenomenon recorded. Gelatinous substance falling from the sky? Fire rising from the ground? Thunder without lightning destroying a town? Does current science have an explanation for these things?

Electrical models do. The current particle physics astrological model? I mean that has already observable failed in countless ways. There's a reason why every single new space discovery starts with SCIENTISTS ARE SHOCKED! PHYSICISTS PUZZLED!

Anyone who has taken quantum chemistry and isn't brain dead will quickly tell you they're making it all up. Valence electrons ain't real.

 

[Archive]

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It had to have come from above because everything seems to be intact.

From above...or slowly from below. Or perhaps both? Volcanic eruptions spewing ash and dust, and also creating gigantic mud pots that overflow and ooze down into the cities. Or the ash came first, followed by torrential rains that turned it to mud. Hard to tell, and we have to figure it out ourselves, because the quackademics won't bother.

 

[Mabzynn]

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It got a bit more weird. Excavations in Rome (not accounted for in the historical record) on Palatine Hill in the 1880's revealed an Arian Church. It mentions "Arian/Theodoric" brick as well.

The Academy and Literature, Volume 26 - 1884


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It fits quite nicely with this source:

Athenae Britannicae, Or, A Critical History of the Oxford and Cambridge -1716

SOURCE

 

[fabiorem]

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Curious why Pope was so interested in archaeology, and why was he preserving pagan gods? Just rhetorics I guess...

Maybe because Christianity was polytheistic, and only became monotheistic after the Reformation?

 

[Archive]

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Probably something like these:

"Concurrent Phenomena" sinking a forest 30 feet below the surface.

thanks for this info - there was a comet Soho that went over Nashville last week at the same time the purple plasma and devastating tornados kicked off ... many of the comets appear to be in the lower levels (cloud layers) of the atmosphere and interact violently at times. if rocks are sentient, just vibrating at lower frequency, would assume that comets should be as well

* a comet has been tracking recently from Haida Gwai, BC above Boise ID to Honduras, etc. IIRC it is a member of the Soho family as well

 

[Verity]

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So many places the buried city has gone undetected for who knows how long and then somebody notices their basement goes on down a lot further than they ever imagined, the buried city always seems to be a big surprise.

Got caught up in the comments until I remembered why I came here...
This buried business was the very first intro to all discussed on this site, and it's interesting timing that I now live in Italia, during this weirdo apocalypse and still living out of suitcases, all of a sudden this turns up (or drops down?) in the Pantheon today;
Sinkhole open at Pantheon (5) - English
If you choose not to open it, here's the picture;


Squarest sinkhole I've ever seen, although perhaps they started preliminary tidying for repair?
Or perhaps it was purposefully created. Dunno.
But I remember going on a rant once about the Pantheon (of Gods) being literally on the Tiber, and a little port beside it, Port de Ripetta, where boats came and went.
After whatever happened to bury so many cities etc., the Tiber began to flow a few kilometers north-west instead.
The image of the Pantheon was illustrated with steps curving up towards it from down near the river.

I'll try to find...



In my humble estimation, when looking at the distance of the hole suddenly appearing right beside the Pantheon (of Gods) (Planets)
as the planets themselves are stirring all sorts of mischief (meaning huge change) in the heavens, as above so below, while the occult symbols ebb and flow daily through the media, that hole would be round about where that section falls away and a woman stands with her back to the painter, more or less, in the arch down below.

As to what it all signifies, I'm not so sure. But it must be significant, because they... "they" wouldn't have mentioned the sinkhole otherwise.
Cracks in the narrative... destruction of the old...

And the Husband found this today, of Rome as late as 189...9? Around the very end of the 1800's anyway. It's of the Roman Forum. My word, how very chaotic it must have been to be quite so BURIED, that all that junk had to be dug out at that time, and yet Mussolini still had armies of men digging for years under him to get it to the state it's in today.
(That's a military balloon apparently, who sent men up to photograph the place.)

The sheer SCALE.

 

[Archive]

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I just want to be clear I am playing devil's advocate here - - if this stuff ever gets anywhere near a mainstream discussion it is inevitable these questions will come up. Personally, volcanic ash and/or soil liquefaction (something large enough to cover up to 30-50 feet of burial but low impact enough to not destroy the structure) seems the most likely culprit here, hence the silence from archeologists.

I don't want to risk devolving this thread into a Hancock debunking debate, but I have read a lot of his material and most of his dating either comes from hypothesis from archaeologists (notoriously unreliable) and from charting astrological cycles. The latter is really the only type of dating worth considering at this point. All of that to say that I am not as fully on board with Hancock's timelines as I used to be years ago - - I think he leaves a lot to be desired. That said, using the wealth he has generated from his works is not really proof of anything in my eyes.

If we were to assume that much more advanced machinery existed 100-200 years ago then it may not have been shovels and horsecarts that buried these cities.

One geological volcanic oddity would theoretically explain city covering mud flows assuming that mud cover is almost entirely mud and not some kind of peaceful glacier deposit - mud volcanoes. The ones below are small and cuddly but my guess is they could get a lot bigger.

These are close to the Southern end of the San Andreas fault in Southern California, USA

Salton Sea Mud Volcanoes - All Around Nevada

The problem with mud volcanoes being a source for large city burial is they need a heat source like an earthquake fault or some kind of underground heat source like a magma chamber. Southern CA has no magma volcanoes but it does have mud volcanoes so the larger the underground heat source and with appropriate mud precursor material my guess is you can get mud volcanoes.

Those subscribing to the Gaia theory that Earth is "alive" - It’s Time to Take the Gaia Hypothesis Seriously - Facts So Romantic - Nautilus might say that mud flow covering up many of the world's ancient cities is just Mother Earth being able to create mud volcanoes wherever She wants. It could also be just some underground ancient advanced civilization doing the same thing which would make more sense.

Another source for the mud would just be venting of the vast quantities of water deep underground through some fashion that we don't know about yet. The water rising to the surface would create a mud source and distribute it over large areas - perhaps slowly. That water is trapped in special rock deep underground but it probably only takes the right heat conditions to force large quantities of that muddy water to the surface.