SH Archive FE - Nullarbor Plain

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-01-19 16:26:48
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https://madmikehughes.com/

You might be interested to take a look at mad Mike Hughes. That guy has built his own rocket, that he will personally man, with the reason that he wants to film the flight to check for the flat earth, or not. He's aiming to go 2-3 times higher than the red bull guy. He's taking a selection of cameras to account for lens issues curvature issues and will be live streaming the whole event.

I think this is a great effort. He is not well liked by the fe community, but you have to wonder why. He's risking his life to gather data and to publish it in as open a way as he can.
 
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Username: Dirigible
Date: 2020-01-19 22:57:58
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Why wouldn't he just go up in a balloon? Seems like it would be safer and would give more time for data collection.
 
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Username: luddite
Date: 2020-01-20 02:21:22
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That's a really good point. I won't be manning any damn rocket I build hahah
That guy is terrific. Thanks for the link.

I wonder why fe peeps wouldnt like him also. Wouldnt he be on their side?
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-01-20 07:29:48
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I think he has found that most FE personalities aren't interested in proving this. Eg he wasn't invited to the FE conference. This is similar to the fact they don't want to try to investigate Antarctica. Generally, they are not proposing experiments to resolve these questions scientifically. Why not? You'd think they would want the proof if they were serious... It makes one wonder why they don't want that proof.
 
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Username: Willielad
Date: 2020-01-20 07:41:14
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Here is a interview of this guy on Tosh.0. I really dont think this guy is gonna find the smoking gun to prove the theory. He also charged money to put research flat earth on his rocket. He is more of a paid publicity guy and not really a flat earther. At least this is what i remember i havent stayed up on all the flat earth news lately.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-01-20 08:55:20
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Yep, it seems that most of these guys are about the money and aren't really interested in going anywhere, establishing the shape via experiments, etc.
 
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Username: ripvanwillie
Date: 2020-01-20 12:34:24
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I'm seeing this differently.
When I look at this picture, it looks pretty flat, but I can clearly see barrel distortion which is caused by light bending due to lens design. This can be corrected somewhat in Photoshop, but it's not perfect. After making adjustments to correct the distortion in this picture along with leveling the horizon, I must admit it looks even more flat than before. A pretty amazing place!Nullarbor road corrected.jpg
And snapping a line across the horizon it looks absolutely flat.
But I'm also seeing in this photo affects not related to one point perspective, which is what we'd see in a photo of a flat earth. The single point at the horizon from two converging lines.
Fortunately we have that in this photo. The lines painted on the side of the road. As we get closer to the horizon, the image will compress horizontally and vertically in an exponential manner until it just blends in with the horizon. In other words, the closer we get to the horizon, there is less space between to distinguish objects from each other, both horizontally and vertically.
Also the converging lines of the road should be parallel all the way to the horizon.
But is that what we see?
Not for me. I see less vertical compression as we near the horizon. Objects gradually compress up to a certain distance but then the lines lose their perspective and the road appears to rise into the horizon. It's easier to see if we zoom in a bit. The black line is where we begin to see less vertical compression, and a rise in the road. This is where we begin to notice the affect of curvature.Nullarbor road 3.jpg
This to me is evidence of either the road going up a hill, or across a long depression then going uphill, or the earth itself curving upward as we lose vision due to the limits of the horizon. Remember, in the concave earth theory it begins it's curve long before the horizon.
Since this is considered one of the flattest roads in the world, I'd have to say it's not a hill we are seeing.
And I think this is why so many people don't see the curvature. They are simply looking at it from the wrong perspective. To see the curve on the horizon would be more difficult because there is no real way to see the change. It's too gradual. But vertically, we can see the compression quite easily, and that appears to me to be the earth beginning to rise as it fades from our view.
If we had the ability to keep zooming in, we would see the road continue to rise as the horizon moves further away, thus showing even more concavity. Unfortunately it's not possible with this photo.
The road is rising into the horizon, that can't be denied. And is it a mere coincidence that rise (phonetically) is in the middle of the word horizon as well?
Now this is just one picture with no controls, we don't know who took it, how high the camera was from the road, the focal length of the lens, nothing. That's an awful lot of variables to consider. So I wouldn't consider it evidence. Just something to contemplate.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-21 17:22:39
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I like this one.
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When you zoom in the clouds go beyond the vanishing point on the horizon, to me anyways. Which is consistent with the way our eyes work and indeed all optics, made to work with our eyes do.

Here's a ouple of local examples, not Nullabor I know but further illustrating the way our eyes work, I took the other night.
In this one you are looking at a road going awy from me on the traffic island and the camera is my eye height off of the ground. As it goes away it rises up as it's going up a small hill starting from the bollard in the foreground.
Check out the streetlights they are I assure you the same height but even as they rise up the incline if the hill they appear to get lower the further up the hill they go.
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This a very similar situation except tis time the rising road is caused by it travelling over a railway line via a humpback brodge which starts rising from my position, camera again at my eye height of about 5 feet 2 inches. The car lights right on the horixon line are where the mid point of the bridge is and the street lights march on getting lower but stay in view.
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Username: AntonDvorak
Date: 2020-01-21 21:42:09
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I think of myself as an earth shape agnostic, but have occasionally gone deep into the FE topic over the past few years.

One detail that doesn't get enough attention is horizon drop: on a sphere, as you gain altitude you must tilt down your eyes for the horizon to remain in the absolute center of your field of view (vertically).

Youtube video models this very clearly:

Some mainstream debunkers claim they can measure horizon angle drop from an airplane, but many others have tried and failed to replicate that. I don't know who to believe. At cruising altitude (around 35,000 ft) there would be a ~6 degree horizon drop. That is certainly enough to measure (with tools - not just your eyes).

Some flat earthers will say "Here look at this balloon footage photo from 120,000 feet - the horizon has zero drop and is completely flat," but many of those types of photos appear edited to my eyes. Raw video footage is useful but often VERY wobbly at those heights.

Anyone here flying soon and have the equipment to test drop height and take video/photo??
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-01-22 09:15:46
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To me the issue with flying and peerig out of a window is the window itself. It isn't flat plain glass so it will have some effect on the view.
Same goes for a camera in a way as its mechanism is made to fit the way our eye works. Fiddling in post production to make things appear this way or that as Nasa definitely does and those who send a go pro up definitely do is not required.
We are all equipped with a pair of mark one eyeballs designed to provide the mind/brain with all the sensory information it needs to then project the image of 'out there' 'in here' so we can get about with minimum effort. I struggle with putting knowing into words, as you may be able to tell.

The issue is not getting up high but getting horizontal in going upon the plane of water or the land to see where if anywhere we end up.
A ball, not a sphere, is promoted because everyone who has ever picked up a ball knows IF you are stood on a ball then once everywhere has been defined/discovered/explained by experts of whatever label, then you are effectively trapped in a prison of the mind that you take to the grave.

The hierachical authority cult (for want of a better word) whose people deign to run this prison prevent individual exploration of 'our world', actively prevent it through non violent means, constantly prevent it by religions, law, commerce, ownership, money, paper restrictions, permits, licences, treaties, agreements, land locking into 'military' 'federal' 'government' property signs, fences, walls, installations, etc etc.
The amount of effort that is put in by this cult at maintaining the ball prison suggests, just suggests, they are aware of something else being more likely.

I feel they are almost as clueless as everyone else is actually. Until we all have the freedom to explore this place, it's limits, if there are any limits we have to make the best of what we have to figure outt what this place LIKELY is and why we are here.

For me;
Contained water is always level. Doesn't matter how big the container is, what shape it is it always has a level surface. It is this that the equipment and the eyeballs in planes use to stay level. Therfore it follows that as vastt as the ocean may actually be it is contained.
It could be the inside of a ball as the concave theory suggests it could be the inside of anything a balloon for example or a cube or even a pyramid or a saucer. Water displays a dead level surface where it meets its other state of being the air aka water vapour.
What the true extent of this level surface we are trained to call ocean is the unknown that I feel we are being actively prevented from seeking too explore let alone actually exploring.
EDIT to add

The land of earth is demonstrably not level. There are some level bits here and there, as Nullabor plane shows and there are probably more level bits under the water of the oceans and lakes most likely but there is in reality very little dead level land kicking about. Slope is the overwhelming 'shape' of land.
Could it be so because uncontained water shaapes it this way?

Flat is used by the cult as it creates a polarity the mind. A ruler cannot be a ball and a ball cannot a ruler be foe example so balancing the polarity that is being pushed the ball. One 'camp' then bashes the other instead of exploring, result for the cult!
Level, the observable behaviour of a tangible substance when it is contained, is kept out of mind by the theory bashing folks to the point it is taken for granted and ignored even though it's used every day to discern if something is right.
 
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Username: DaemonApophi
Date: 2020-06-23 23:33:56
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My best mate is a pilot with BA. I talked to him about curvature of earth making decisions for him. He looked blindly and said it makes no difference to his calculations. I'm a MSC holder btw
 
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