France - Biblical Israel

In Albanian language the Hebrews are called (Çifut) with the letter (ç) being read as (ch) in English as in (cheese)
Any etymology for that word?

Now, going a bit off topic, there was a small enclave of migrant Hebrews in Albania and they settled there in early 20-th century, and during the Albanian invasion by the German Army in mid WWII, the Albanian people were asked to reveal the location of the Jewish people which were hidden by the locals as a matter of cannon customs.

"Respect the guest and protect him with your own life as if he is to be your own if he asked for shelter and you granted him that."
Yes, it's a known story and also told about in Hebrew wiki.
The irony of doing good and expecting something similar from those that have no heart.
From what I know most Albanian Jews left after WW2. Those Jews who conduct business there aren't from that community. For all it's worth, they take financial advantage wherever they can, regardless who saved them or worked against them. Nobody gets a pass from their ways.
 
One of my favourite French recentists has touched the subject in this long article not for the faint-hearted. I hope he is not spreading French freemasonic disinformation, LOL. Here the translation otherwise you can read the article on his blog (Le Temple d’Isis):

The Temple of Isis​

Researchers like Howdie Mickoski or Alexei Khrustalev claim that the Holy Land is 14th century France. The tradition or the "golden legend" of Jacques de Voragine generally speaks of a migration from Palestine of Joseph of Arimathea, or of Lazare, Marie de Béthany or Marie-Madeleine. Lazare then becomes the first bishop of Marseilles and is buried in Autun. Joseph of Arimathea is buried in the abbey of Moutiers, Pilate whose wife was from Narbonne is buried in Gaul. The relics of the Magi, who died in the east, have been brought to Cologne Cathedral. Hélène, the mother of Emperor Constantine, who is about 80 years old, is said to have brought relics from Palestine such as the crown of thorns to Notre-Dame de Paris. The Shroud was first seen in Metz and is now in Turin. Thus all the relics of Christianity are in Western Europe.

Sometimes tradition has not retained migration: Anne the mother of the Virgin was born in Morbihan. The Notre-Dame Church had on its facade the statues of the kings of Judea until 1789. Mickoski is favorable to the recentist point of view: the relics, pilgrimages and the churches seem to appear after the year 1000. He notes that Montreal, presented as a new Jerusalem and founded in the 17th century, is built according to the model of Paris. Montmartre or the mount of the martyrs and would make an acceptable Golgotha, and the Jesuits were founded precisely in Montmartre in 1534. Abbé Boudet's "La Vraie langue celtique" makes the Celtic language practiced in the south-west of France the Biblical Hebrew. Boudet is part of the band of priests who officiated in Aude at the time of Abbot Bérenger Saunière and the famous affair of Rennes-le-Château. Gérard de Sède's 1967 book "L'or de Rennes" claimed that Saunière had found the Templar treasure, then Henry Lincoln's books claimed he had proof that Jesus' family had carried his line to France through the Merovingian dynasty. A priori, the relationship between the two is not direct, and these works benefit from a halo effect, where a priori proven facts are supposed to prove unrelated conclusions.

Like Mickoski, I don't believe that Jesus' family would have taken the boat to Gaul. I add that the Merovingians are an invention hiding the Valois, and the Carolingians the Bourbons.

Gérard de Sède and his source Pierre Plantard is filled with false information. First of all, Sède and Plantard had collaborated together before and Sède acts as if he had just met him. The date of January 17 comes up regularly: it is the date of the death of Saunière, then that of his governess Marie Denarnaud (not the actress, another), and that of the death in 1781 of a certain Marie de Hautpoul having owned the presbytery and goddaughter of a certain "Montreal" (a code name). On January 17 Nicolas Flamel would have transformed gold into mercury, and on January 17, Robert Fludd, who would have visited Rennes-le-Château (?), made the philosopher's stone. All this tells us that Sède and Plantard want to talk to us about alchemy. What antics. My apologies to the legend experts if my details are a little off. I don't really want to devote myself to it.

The biography of this Hautpoul is partly modeled on that of Marie Denarnaud: she sells because she has no money but continues to live on the grounds of the presbytery. It was the priest Antoine Bigou who buried him in the church cemetery in 1781. On his instructions, he would have found three or four manuscripts in the Church of Saint-Pierre in Rennes-le-Château. which he would then have hidden in the Sainte Marie-Madeleine church during the revolution. In the 1880s, Saunière would have found them in a hollow column while doing work in the church. This copies the 17th century Rosicrucian account of three manuscripts, found in a church dedicated to Mary Magdalene which was being restored.

Then it is claimed that Saunière would have destroyed the tombs of the cemetery, but that then the tombs were redone, and in particular the inscription relating to the death of Marie de Hautpoul. Presumably Saunière never destroyed tombs, but he may have carved a bogus epitaph on the tomb of Marie de Hautpoul. This one is called there at the beginning “nobile” then at the end “catin”. She is called both de Negri and Blanchefort, in connection with two stages of alchemy, and her name Hautpoul suggests the "Great Prostitute" of the Apocalypse. This is Isis, the queen of heaven in the Egyptian religion. Howie Mickoski leans for Marie-Madeleine, Christianized version of Isis, companion of Osiris as Marie-Madeleine is that of Christ. So Saunière, if it is he who does this, simply draws attention to the cult of Isis.

The owner of the presbytery after Marie Denarnaud is from 1956 a certain Noël Corbu. It is he who tells the story to Gérard de Sède. Part of the falsifications are attributable to him as well as to Plantard and Sède. It is indeed impossible to prove the age of the documents provided by Plantard. The date of the Hautpoul tomb is curiously not 1781 but 1681, and the code 681 is found on one of Plantard's parchments. The drawing of the epitaph would have appeared on a 19th century work by a known author named Steblein , but the work is not part of the list attributed to this author, and the document is a reissue of 1964, few time before Gérard de Sède's book.

Saunière had a Villa Béthany and a Magdala Tower built, which obviously relates to the character of Lazare in the Gospel of John. The mummification of Lazarus and his resurrection at Jesus' command to "arise and walk" is clearly a mockery of the god Osiris. The original Gospel of John does not include an episode of the resurrection or the reception of the Holy Spirit. Thus the resurrection and the reception of the Holy Spirit are elements of the religion of the Egyptians, but not of the religion of John. An investigation carried out by an American suggests that mummification was practiced in the southwest of France.

Passing through the Louvre, Saunière would have bought reproductions of Poussin and a portrait of Clement V, but it seems that the Louvre was not selling them at that time. Then he would have found a treasure in a crypt. Sède then Lincoln thus take at face value the documents provided by Plantard which link Saunière to the Grail and the latter to an alleged lineage of Christ through the Merovingians.

Here is what we can sum up about the character of Saunière: he had an inexplicable source of income. He was interested in the cult of Isis and Osiris, alchemy, the Grail and the Cathars. We learn from a few sentences that Saunière is supported by generous patrons like Marie-Thérèse de Habsbourg or John D. Rockefeller. With such friends, there is no need to find treasure. And if such characters were interested in Saunière's research, it was because they belonged to the esoteric societies concerned. These societies at the end of the 19th century are powerful, one thinks first of all of Freemasonry. The connection between Grail literature and alchemy is well known. It is less obvious to link it to the Cathars, but it is already a commonplace. That all these elements are part of French history and culture is not in doubt.

It is generally accepted that alchemy developed in France and Italy from the 15th century, but was imported from Egypt. The presence of Temples of Isis in Gaul does not, however, lead historians to conclude that the Egyptian religion itself was present there. Without affirming it explicitly, the follower Fulcanelli in "The Mysteries of the Cathedrals" writes that the black virgins of the south of France are statues of Isis, generally accompanied by the child Horus. And – separately – points to the alchemical representations of Gothic cathedrals, where Christian symbolism is sometimes lacking. René Schwaller de Lubicz writes that the cathedrals are built on the model of the Temple of Luxor. Tournus Cathedral features an inscription in stone with the name of a 12th century bishop and suggests he was… a priest of Isis. In Arles or Chartres there was a Temple of Isis, on the site of Notre-Dame de Paris, a Temple of Jovis. Sebastian Munster's map of Paris from 1545 in its Latin version shows instead of Notre-Dame the mention "Summum Templum" and the drawing of a church which is not Notre-Dame. It is accepted that in Rome as in Paris, the basilica of Saint Peter and Notre-Dame are built on the very site of the former Temple of Jovis. Maps of Paris then call the old Church Notre-Dame, until the current Notre-Dame appears on maps around 1600. However, it seems that in many cases the Egyptian Temple was simply converted in a Christian church.

The supposed Egyptian religion is the superposition of several cults which do not mix. Ra, Ptah or Atum are not present in the story around Hermes, Isis, Osiris and Seth. Gaul knows only these figures. Hermes seems to be one of the forms of Mithras. Thus Hermes and Osiris represent the messiahs resulting from the reform of the Temple by King David in the First Book of Chronicles: to the line of Ithamar, David adds a line of Eleazar (falsely presented in the Book of Numbers as the sons of 'Aaron). These are Mithras and Osiris. Hermes is generally related to the Egyptian god Thôt, but Hermes corresponds to Mitra or Moses, also a magician. Thoth is David. Jewish tradition claims that there are two messiahs: a messiah of Joseph named Ephraim presented as the priestly messiah, and a messiah of David who is a warrior messiah. Ephraim is a deformation of Ithamar, also Mithra is the messiah of Joseph. If this Joseph is the Joseph of the Book of Genesis prime minister of Egypt, the local version of Mithras is the god Amun. David's messiah is therefore Eleazar. The Books of Numbers and Chronicles present Eleazar as more important than Ithamar, as Osiris is more important than Amun.

Mithras and Osiris have initiation rituals associated with their names in Masonry, which identifies Masonry as the continuation of the Temple of David. Masonry today claims Solomon's Temple, but this may be a distortion brought about by the 1723 Hanoverian Reform of English Masonry.

Were the Cathars then of Egyptian religion? If the name of Isis is known in Gaul, Osiris is not mentioned, but Jovis (Yahvé). In terms of doctrine, they are quite close to the Christian Gnostics of Alexandria. The 2nd century Gnostics of Alexandria follow the Gospel of Mark . Mark follows Paul's influence. The Gnostics of Alexandria are therefore probably identical with the Pauline sect of the 7th century in Eastern Europe. It is claimed that the Paulinians originated another sect in the 12th century: the Bogomils. Probably the three groups are identical and correspond to the 15th or 16th century.

Like the Gnostics and Muslims, the Cathars believe that the real Jesus is not of flesh and therefore did not die on the cross. The evil god - whom they call Rex Mundi (Ialdabaoth is a name used by the Gnostics of Egypt) - created the material world. He is the god of the Old Testament, which they reject, although they admit the ten commandments. They also do not admit the New Testament, but only certain unspecified texts. It is supposed to be the Gospel of John or a "secret" John, but this is unlikely, because the little Genesis at the beginning of the Gospel of John makes Jesus the logos, the verb creator of God, the role that the Cathars assign to the demiurge. The modern Johannite Church claims that the Cathars had their Gospel of John short, devoid of the resurrection and later episodes. But this gospel also has the little Genesis. Moreover, if the Cathars worshiped Lazarus (Osiris), the Gospel of John mocks him. As for Isis or Mary Magdalene, the Apocalypse of John makes her the Great Prostitute.

The Marcionites of Alexandria admit the letters of Paul and the Gospel of Mark, but the Cathars are unlikely to have admitted Mark. Indeed Mark presents the baptism of Jesus in the waters of the Jordan by John the Baptist. However, the Cathars reject this baptism in favor of the sole baptism of the Holy Spirit, which corresponds to the reception of the Spirit by the disciples in the form of tongues of fire in the episodes of the Gospels after the resurrection – precisely those that we do not admit the Johannite Church.

This baptism among the Cathars takes the form of a single sacrament, the Consolamentum, which is a simple prayer, and removes the person's sins. This consolamentum can only be taken once in a lifetime. So many only received it at the end of their life. This sacrament may have become extreme unction in Roman religion. Those who received it earlier in life became perfected and their obligations changed. It was no longer possible for them to touch a person of the opposite sex. The parfaits, however, went in pairs of a man and a woman, nomads.

As with the Gnostics of Alexandria, the soul for the Cathars is the divine part in man and is likened to a star. They call themselves the "poor of Christ", say they are wanderers. The beginning of the year is marked by a communal meal where bread is blessed and shared. They were vegan because animals were also given a soul, except for the fish they ate because they believed they did not reproduce through sexuality. Sexuality is allowed for those who are not perfect, but not for reproduction, which condemns a soul to incarnate.

For the Cathars, the Last Judgment has already taken place and we are in hell. Like the Buddhists, the Cathars want to break the cycle of reincarnations, but the number of reincarnations is limited to 7 or 9. The expression "cats have nine lives" may come from this. The cat has a reputation as an evil animal in the 17th century and the church burns them, like the Cathars will end up at the stake. The Gnostics of Alexandria and the Marcionites do not seem to have been so radical.
 
Second part.

The Cathars claim to be the first Christians, persecuted as were the apostles and martyrs. Their proximity to Egyptian doctrine apparently earned them the nickname Egyptians. Irenaeus of Lyons – Johannite – attacks the Gnostics, but it is probably a sect close to him geographically. His alter ego Giordano Bruno – from the Giovanni sect – denounces the Egyptians. Later, this nickname of Egyptians given to the Cathars will call them Gypsies. Likewise in the east, the Bogomiles will become the Bohemians. Like the Frankists a century later (18th century), the Gypsies ended up joining the Roman Catholic Church, and more recently the evangelical movements.

It is the modern Johannite Church which claims that the last High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem gave his title to the Christian Temple Order during the Crusades, and that the Temple Order had as its sacred text the Gospel of Jeans. The Order of the Temple and its Johannite Church would have secretly continued to exist after the destruction of the Order of the Temple in 1314 until today. Medieval history tells something else: the wealth and territories owned by the Order of the Temple were confiscated and given to the Order of the Hospitallers of Saint John. Some attribute this transfer of ownership to Philippe le Bel. Other sources say that it was Charles-Quint (1520-1566) who gave the possessions of the Templars, including Rhodes (Rome?), to the Hospitallers of Saint-Jean.

After the destruction of the Temple by Nebuchadnezzar, the prophet Jeremiah visits Jewish refugees in Egypt. He reproaches them for worshiping the Queen of Heaven, which would be the cause of all their misfortunes. The queen of heaven is Isis, clearly identified with the planet Venus by Pliny the Elder. Ishtar being the Babylonian version of Isis, the tandem Ishtar and Marduk or the Esther and Mordecai of the Book of Esther are the Great Harlot and the Little Beast of the Apocalypse. Marduk is indeed depicted as a two-horned dragon. In the Christian version, Esther and Mordecai could be represented by Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea. In the Apocalypse of John, the author accuses the worshipers of the Great Harlot as "those who say they are Jews and who are not". Thus, where Jeremiah accuses the Jews of Egypt of deviation, John of Patmos claims that they are no longer Jews.

Thus the “City” of Jerusalem would have been the Ile de la Cité in Paris, aptly named “Island of the Jews”. This is where the last master of the Order of the Temple – Jacques de Molay – was condemned, supposedly to the stake. The story of the Epistles of the New Testament sheds light on this time: since it speaks of a Church of Jerusalem led by James the brother of the Lord, and that James was also assassinated by the Roman power. Flavius Josephus also speaks of the assassination of James, but presents him as the priest of the Temple: thus the Church of Jerusalem of the epistles and the Temple of Jerusalem are one. The Temple at this time is Christian, but only Paul calls the Lord “Jesus Christ”. The other epistles only name the Lord.

After the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem (1550), the "Jews" obtained the right to continue worship in Avignon (the ancient Yavne). But the conversion of Henry IV in 1594 made them lose his protection and they were expelled in 1597. They then left France for Scotland where William Saint-Clair created the first Masonic lodge in Rosslyn in 1598. We speak of Jacobite Masonry , in relation to the Reformed Hanoverian Masonry of 1723. The Jacobite cause is claimed to denote the cause of James III Stuart of England. The level of Jacobite devotion rather suggests a reference to Jacques de Molay. Both ranks of Knight of St. John and Knight of the Temple exist in Freemasonry, but must be a syncretism of Hanoverian Freemasonry.

The Templars also reach the United States, where they are among the first immigrants. From this comes the notion that "Egyptians" or Templars once visited America. The former are undoubtedly true Templars and the latter Johannites. Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, Freemasons, also maintain this tradition.

Archeology attributes the remains of the Early Christians of Rome to the current of John, but the States of the Church do not appear on the maps before 1550. It therefore seems that the Jerusalem that was Paris has become a name for the city of Rome. But Charles-Quint was forced to abdicate in 1556. The Johannites would now also be in trouble with Rome, since Giordano Bruno died at the stake in 1600.

With regard to the stories of the Grail, before the more or less definitive version proposed by Thomas Mallory, four main versions have been proposed: the original Welsh or Breton, the story of Chrétien de Troyes which is inspired by it, the story of Robert de Boron and that of Wolfram von Eschenbach. The medieval versions are contemporary with the time of the Cathars, the 12th and 13th century. The Crusades against the Cathars actually dating from the 17th century, these stories are probably also from this period, and contemporary with the stories of the Rose-Croix.

The Knights of the Round Table are in the Welsh version the Knights of the Rotunda, i.e. a round church, or cromlech.

Chrétien de Troyes does not make a link between the Grail and Christ and does not even speak of the Grail but of a luminous sacred object. His biography says that his patron was Marie de Champagne, widow in 1181 of King Henry II of England, who died in the Crusades. His account is based on the Celtic version of Peredur. It evokes a procession to the fisher king with a spear, a candlestick, the sacred luminous object, and a silver platter. Further on, a woman cries because her husband has been beheaded. So the severed head is not here on the set. If we see the light of the object, then no sin can touch us. The objects of the procession can make think of the objects of the Temple of Jerusalem and the beheaded husband of Jacques de Molay, mourned by his church. Contemporary accounts claim it was simply burned, but it was common to hang or decapitate (in the case of important personages) the condemned person before the stake. Henry II of England is undoubtedly Henri II of France (1547-1559) , the last knight king, whose emblem is still the crescent moon.

Robert de Boron's "Merlin" around 1200 christianizes the story. Boron would have married the daughter of the king of Jerusalem and would have become a sort of king of Cyprus, which links him to the Hospitallers of Saint John . The Grail is the cup that contained the blood of Christ, recovered by Joseph of Arimathea. This cup would have been brought back during the fourth crusade in Great Britain, shortly before Boron wrote his text. He adds a man's head to the board. Perceval fails to cure the fisher king by forgetting to ask who this head belongs to. We are of course thinking of Jean-Baptiste , the patron saint of the Hospitallers. Otto Rahn, who investigates the Grail in southwestern France, says Boron lied.

Wolfram von Eschenbach – who is said to have written shortly afterwards – does not speak of Boron, but claims to correct the errors of Chrétien de Troyes. Wolfram explicitly links the quest for the Grail to the Templars , but also to alchemical and Egyptian motifs, which links him to the Gnostics of Alexandria and the Hermetists.

The Grail here is a stone called lapis exilis, the name of the philosopher's stone in alchemy. When she touches the phoenix, she consumes it and it rises from its ashes. The phoenix is linked to Egypt in Pliny the Elder. The similar stones are fragments of stars that Lucifer, falling to Earth, dragged with him. Here, the grail is clearly the divine part in the man of the Gnostics, represented by Venus in the symbolism. Wolfram says that the Grail is guarded by the “Templesians” at Montsalvat, whom Otto Rahn wanted to identify with Montségur. Wolfram also speaks of “Guardians of the Temple” and this expression comes from him. Here, women can seek the Grail, which recalls the equality of the sexes among the Cathars. In his version, the fisher king is a priest-king and the mass is close to the episode of the last meal.

Howie Mikovsky links the elements given by Wolfram to Hermeticism, and ultimately to Gaul. Hermes has a sky stone that launches sparks which he gives to Hercules. Hercules is buried with the stone in Montreal in the French southwest. Christian Rosencreutz, the Rosicrucian hero, is also said to have been buried in the Albigienses mountains. The stories of the Rose-Croix and those of the Grail being from the same period, and probably from the same groups, the parallels are not surprising.

The crusades would have been partly invented to explain the fact that the kings of Jerusalem are French. But Judea is a Roman province, while the only "Roman province" identifiable on the maps is Provence. Julius Caesar (Eleazar) has a military action in Judea, but also in Gaul. But Francesco Carotta in "Jesus was Caesar" showed the many parallels between the life of Julius Caesar and the Jesus of the Gospels.

A number of orders of chivalry were founded in the 12th century with the intention of protecting pilgrims to the Holy Land. One of them is called the Order of Saint-Lazare: it designates the cult of Osiris. The Order of the Holy Sepulcher was founded in 1099 at the same time as the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Its symbol is a Templar cross on a yellow background. It is a variant of the Order of the Hospitallers of Saint John.

The first King of Jerusalem was Godfrey of Bouillon , followed by his brother Baudouin of Flanders. The next king Baldwin II in 1118, although unrelated, called Godfrey and Baldwin I his brothers. It is false to claim that Godfrey is the first king of Jerusalem. Others carried this title before him.

In 1113, the Hospitallers of Saint-Jean were founded. Chaste, they obey only the pope. It is claimed that the cross of the Hospitallers is white on a red background: it is red on a white background, and falsely attributed to the Templars, who do not have the cross as a symbol. The eight-pointed cross is indeed called the Maltese cross and not the Templar cross.

Representations of Charles V or Caiaphas associate them with the crescent and an eight-pointed star – and not a cross. This is an archaic version of the Ottoman flag. The association of the crescent and the star could be an attempt at syncretism between the religion of Henry II (Osirism) and that of the Gospel of John. In the Koran, the author claims to create the perfect religion by the synthesis of the religion of the Jews, whose messiah is Usayr (Osiris) and that of the Nazarenes, whose messiah is Issa. In the Gospel of John, Jesus is called the Nazarene and not the Galilean as in the other Gospels.

In 1486, Innocent VIII merged the Order of the Holy Sepulcher and the Hospitallers. But in 1496 Alexander VI restores its independence. Innocent VIII therefore carries out the will of the author of the Quran, generally considered to be the Prophet Muhammad . Innocent VIII is Giovanni Batista Cybo, pope from 1484 to 1496, presented as inquisitor. But for the Cathars, the character of John the Baptist prefigures the Antichrist.

In 1119, Hugues de Payns founded the Order of the Templars . In 1129 he was recognized by the pope who entrusted them with the mission of protecting pilgrims to the Holy Land. Knights must remain chaste. In 1139, it is accepted that they report only to the pope and are exempt from tax. It is clear that this is the story about the Hospitallers of John, and not the Templars themselves. There is a female branch. This foreshadows Catholicism with its celibate monks and sisters.

In 1305, Pope Clement V of Avignon wanted to merge the Templar (Jacques de Molay) and Hospitalier (Fouque de Villerette) orders. In 1307 Molay was arrested because Philippe le Bel owed him money. The Hospitallers would then have replaced the Templars in their missions in the Holy Land against the Muslims. In reality, the crusade took place against the Templars. They are Philip the Handsome, his son Charles-Quint (1530-1556 ) and Pope Clement VII of Rome . Thus the Hospitallers did not settle in Malta until 1530 and until 1798. It is claimed that they were fighting pirates and not fighting the Turks. How is this possible if the great naval battle of Lepanto against the Turks took place in 1571? In 1798, the Hospitallers would have settled in Rome and would have become the Order of Malta. But this makes little sense. The Hospitallers became the Order of Malta in 1530 and fought against the Turks. In 1798, at the time of Barbary piracy, they devoted themselves to the fight against this scourge.

The fourth order of the Crusades is that of the Teutonic Knights, yet another copy of the history of the Templars and Hospitallers in the Holy Land. The Teutonic Knights actually represent the resistance of German Jews – and non-Protestants – to Charles V's wars. In 1809, Napoleon dissolved the Teutonic Knights, then reinstated them as a non-military association. In 1938 the Nazis again banned the Teutonic Knights before their restoration in 1945.

In 1612, 1615 and 1616 the Rose-Croix texts were published. They are produced in Germany and are probably contemporaneous with the Grail stories. They take up the antiphon of the Jesuits to realize the universal Church, on the condition henceforth that it is not a question of the Church of Rome.

Howie Mikowski identifies in the Compagnie du Saint-Sacrement (1630-1660) and the Compagnie de Saint-Sulpice (1641-1660)a form of resurgence of Catharism. It is credible as far as the Compagnie du Saint-Sacrement is concerned, but the Compagnie de Saint-Sulpice is Johannite. Mikowsky is misled by the links of Saint-Sulpice with the city of Montreal, which is also the name of a locality near Rennes-le-Château, and suggests an etymology linked to the Grail. Chronologically the Cathars are not yet defeated since their final defeat occurs during the reign of Louis XIV. Presumably 1660 is the cut-off date for all three entities. As Mikowski says, Poussin – the star painter of Rennes-le-Château – also stopped painting at this time. Between 1618 and 1648, the Germans were at war with Rome. In 1660, the Johannites like the Egyptians were defeated in France.

The Compagnie du Saint-Sacrement was founded by Saint Vincent Depaul. Born in 1576, he would have been a slave of the Turks and would have learned alchemy there. He claimed to make the heads of the dead speak. In 1609 he would have accepted a secret mission from Henri IV. In 1630 he founded the Compagnie du Saint-Sacrement. Officially she devotes herself to evangelization, the management of hospitals, orphanages and prisons. But in its statutes, the first obligation is curiously secrecy. It will be added that the sacrament is in the singular, which effectively recalls the Cathars whose only sacrament is the Consolamentum. Before his conversion to Catholicism, Henri IV is presented as a “Calvinist”. But Calvin has practically no disagreement with the Roman church. Henri IV was undoubtedly a Cathar and he was king of Navarre, a very close territory. Apparently in 1609 he still maintained a connection with his old faith. The large Guise family would have owned land in Languedoc, in Couiza (Guise?) in particular. On his death in 1640, the wife of a Duke of Guise who had taken refuge in Italy was forced to return her land to the Archdiocese of Narbonne to return to France. Thus, the leader of the Catholic League who held Paris at the approach of the troops of Henry III and Henry of Navarre would have been a Cathar?

From 1641 to 1660, another organization, the Compagnie de Saint-Sulpice, headed by Jean-Jacques Ollier, is active. It is claimed that Jacques Cartier, depicted in crusader attire, founded Montreal in 1530. But the Compagnie Saint-Sulpice provides another story of its founding Ollier allegedly sent 50 people in 1642 to found a colony in New France which he named Villemarie. The four founders are one woman and three men – the same number as the Arcadian shepherds in Poussin's paintings. The members of the colony, renamed Montreal, would have been dubbed as Crusaders, that is to say they are Knights of Malta. Quebec's national holiday is June 24, the day of Saint John the Baptist, patron saint of the Knights of Malta. Notre-Dame Cathedral in Montreal is dedicated to Mary, Joseph and John the Baptist, and features many Johannite symbols.
 
There was a discussion on the Hebrew language that was had in this thread that has veered far offtopic from the topic of the OP. Please continue that discussion here:

Off-topic etymological discussion from Biblical France thread

If anyone can think of a better name for that thread let me know.
I did not see this prior to my continuation of the topic. I'll check the other thread.
A thought for the alt. thread: "Assumptions regarding Hebrew and Biblical-Linguistics as relating to Modern Theories" ... off the top of my head
 
The arguments for the bibilical stories happening in Gaul is many
I will just highlight two.
The lake Galilee, and Lazarus.

As most people are taught, Jesus encountered a major storm while traveling in a boat across the Sea of Galilee. (In Israel)

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But if you check this place, this is quite a small lake:



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To solve this.
The Sea of Galilee = Sea of Gallia/Gaul = Modern name: English channel

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The tomb of Lazarus in al Eizariya looks not that convincing to be honest.

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Here we have a "confusion".
The year of 411 could of course be much later.

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What do you think of this bit. (Queen Elisabeth had apostles as prisoners?)

Charles Dickens (1812–1870),the famous English writer and novelist wrote a book with the title “ Child’s history of England”. in the chapter talking about the coronation of queen Elisabeth I (1533–1603) who reigned from 1558 we read the following text:
“The coronation was a great success and the next day, one of the courtiers presented a petition to the new queen, praying that it was the custom to release some prisoners on such occasions, she would have the goodness to release the four evangelists, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and also the apostle saint Paul, who had been for some time shut up in a strange language so that the people could not get at them“
 

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I'm sorry if this muddies the waters a bit for the previous post.... but....

Earlier in the topic, I posted some pictures from Bath in the UK. Here is another image from a few streets away, right next door to another 'natural bath'.

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Google Maps

Inscription above the door reads 'Hospital of St John the Baptist', and above that, I believe it says 'Founded 1174'.

Wikipedia claims this is also correct - for what little that is worth.

St John's Hospital, Bath - Wikipedia

There certainly are some interesting things in this city.

Edit - Queen Elizabeth I get's a mention in the Wikipedia entry, if it's of any interest.
 
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If Paris is Jerusalem, then what is London?

Is the Rome of today the same Rome of the Bible?
 
For a simplistic summary, is this correct: (?)
Jesus was regim-critic in Gaul/Paris against the "Roman empire" around 1000AD.
He had a number of followers called Pharisians and Cathars. (?)
They spoke hebrew or "Judeo-French".

Jesus "king of the jews" was killed by the romans.
Jesus followers may have saved a lot of relics after his death.

Around 1200AD the myths and legend of Jesus had been absorbed by the rulers in Rome but they shifted the events back 1000 years back in time and changed the location to Israel.

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Thanks :)
 
In another topic someone talked about there being a thread of Jesus’s father being in Portugal/Spain. Does anyone know more about this?
 
It might be important to distinguish two issues: France as the original Holy Land, and France as the region where Christianity was created. Personally I am not convinced of the first. The adopted topology (Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Tiberias, Caesarea Maritima, "Egypt") and the complemented fictional topology (Nazareth, Caesarea Philippi) of the New Testament shows the will to place the New Testament fition in the vicinity of the previous heartland of the world civilization. On the other hand, together with Wilhelm Kammeier, I am convinced that Christianity has been created during the stay of the popes in Avignon, after the world catastrophe had destroyed the Greco-Roman civilization in Italy (papacy already existed before Christianity) The interesting materials brought in by Silveryou, with reference to my respected colleague Didier Delacapelle of theognose.wordpress.com, can be interpreted in this light. A Provencal origin of Christianity would explain the narrative about the migration of Mary Magdalene, Lazarus and similar figures to the south of France, and can alo explain why branches of the system of John the Baptist, like the Cathars and the Templars, have been heavily persecuted in France.
 
here is the video for those who can not find it; it was trasnlated to hungarian by an ex-teacher and i made the subtitles in hungarian on YT; but later i downloaded the sub with a subtitle-downloader and that downloaded the english version too [was made automaticaly by the downloader site - but as i seeis kinda good]
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElAtYeXj9Bs&t=76s
 

I agree that the so-called jews are Edomites. I'd add that most light-skinned people which we find in Europe are also Edomites. Israelites likely refers to Hispanics, American Indians, Caribbeans, certain South American peoples, so-called black Americans and certain African peoples who are well-aware of their Israelite (jewish) identity.

It's also worth distinguishing between traditional "pseudo" jews (Edomites we see ruling Israel) and biological jews who populate various continents including Africa.
 
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