Heligoland, an unexpected mystery

[OKKorral]

On April 18th 1945, 969 bombers set off on a mission to bomb Heligoland. Thats' nigh 1000 bombers bear in mind. To bomb this:

Ludicrous, isn't it? Not Berlin, not the industrial heartland of the Germany, not Peenemunde where V2 Rockets and other wonderweapons were being developed. Just little petty Helgoland.
I highly suspect that whatever it was, this was the "interesting" thing- there is a crater today in that location:

Because after that heavy dose of bombing the "Allies" did this to the poor little speck of rock:
Operation Big Bang - Wikipedia

Why on earth was such an apparently insignificant tiny island in the North Sea so important, considering the amount of ordinance used to reduce the place to kingdom come for some reason.
Heligoland - Wikipedia

The history of the place is interesting too. The island appears to have been bigger earlier in the past and shrinking with time:

Plenty of cities and places on the island too. The name is sometimes given as "Heilig(e)landt" (Heilig/Holy?). Or perhaps there is a connection with the Norse Goddess Hel, given the root of the name being "Hel"? Honestly, no idea. But something is definitely sketchy about the place. What was so important there to require over 1000 bombers and several thousand tons of explosives to annihilate?
I talked with an acquaintance about it, his first thought was "That must have been where their Nukes were." I highly doubt it was Nukes, rather something way more powerful and dangerous, something Old World.
Then there's the case of the various different naval jacks of the place.
The island was seized by Great Britain during the Napoleonic Wars and only returned to Germany in the late 19th century.

So what's the deal with Heligoland?

PS: One of the maps above gives the dates for the changes in size of the island- IT CLEARLY SAYS: ANNIS CHRISTI 800, i300 and i649. The i again.

 

[Hermolaus]

Thanks, your post made me interested in Heligoland and I skimmed Wikipedia to potentially find some clues to its mystery from basic information available. This is what stands out:

Atlantis itself has been identified besides Heligoland off the north-west German coast by the author Jürgen Spanuth, who postulates that it was destroyed during the Bronze Age around 1200 BC, only to partially re-emerge during the Iron Age.

Proposed locations for Atlantis - Wikipedia

You might be onto something. I'm going to look into this author's books now, and I encourage anyone interested to do so as well:

Atlantis The Mystery Unraveled

Atlantis of the North

 

[DaciaMare]

The last Indiana Jones movie...

 

[Breizh]

According to this British establishment video Heligoland had 8½ miles of underground tunnels. That's the official story anyway.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtatVS-Tk3c

 

[Seiya]

All wars are fake and WWII was the THE biggest play the troupe (sometimes spell troop) on the theatre. As I always say, they're telling you the truth, but people believe the lie.

And that was the theatre for the british. The show is over, I mean the war. Great Britain and its allies gained, and gained a lot. Whoever or whatever they are.

One thing that became clear after WWII is to win the war it is necessary only the Air Force. So bye bye, NO money, no jobs for the Aqua Troop, and they have toys. No canoe, stick out, foot out of the water and call it artistic, or jump in the pool and all that useless theatricality.

So what they will do? Work as security or police? And that's for the high-ranking commanders; because the rest, is better they think fast about how they'll eat and where they'll sleep. Well, well, well, we are talk about people who were part of the biggest charade event of the world, where the requirement to be part of the troop were accept corruption as the structure of your life. They sit and just wait? guess what!

Who was the second biggest naive of the world? British Empire.
The US Navy was aware the ridiculously amount of money in WWII given to the military budget, 119% of the GPT, will no going forever and the cuts to come they will be the first to be kicked out and the nail in the coffin was Air Force have the Deception Bomb invented by "the chosen ones". US Navy put a new show and the theatre name Iwo Jima. If you think is strange the name Iwo Jima sound the same as Hiroshima is because you are antiseptic, racist and islamophobic. It is just a normal coincidence. With the Battle of Iwo Jima the US Navy they ciment they place.

In The British Empire the spend was bad as the americans. The funny was in a quick For sure the British Navy thought they will never be in the same situation as the american. I did a quick search just to confirm what percentage of the GPT was spent by the British WWII times, and only false numbers appeared, which was 40% to 50%, which I know is not true. I decided to do a test and ask AI. As I expected, it gave me the same number. then respond "that's not realistic". British was spend 88% of GPT which wasn't true either. The British Empire spend so much that the Empire finished. They borrowed so much from the US that it did not finish paying back its WWII debts until 2006.

So Heligoland was the theatre where the british troop put a new show, but wasn't new, was a remake, missing parts e confuse in the end. I love the "tunnels" story playing over and over. Look the situation today of the Royal Navy, mayve 6 ships turn on. But they are a huge success in the London Gay Pride Parade every year

 

[Breizh]

All wars are fake and WWII was the THE biggest play the troupe (sometimes spell troop) on the theatre. As I always say, they're telling you the truth, but people believe the lie.

And that was the theatre for the british. The show is over, I mean the war. Great Britain and its allies gained, and gained a lot. Whoever or whatever they are.

Sure. Another plausible angle is the use of war pretext to bomb and remove certain remnants (architecture/buildings/land/etc) belonging to people who remain undisclosed. Which people? I don't know.

 

[OKKorral]

I just noticed on the map that is painted green some of the places marked are Templ Jovis, Templ Martis and Templ Vestae, al three of them being Roman gods (Jupiter, Mars and Vesta). At the same time places such as cloisters, chapels and churches appear to be marked.
What are Christianity and Roman Gods doing there together at the same time?

 

[OKKorral]

One of my thoughts is that it might have been the location of a possible weather weapon; I have long suspected Germany of having been in possession of such (or similar) device because every time the "Allies" launched an offensive on the Western Front during WW1, not long thereafter, bad weather (rain, rain and more rain) would take over, consequentially severely impairing the offensive operation.
For example, the Battle of the Somme:
The Battle of the Somme (July–November 1916) was heavily impacted by unseasonably wet and muddy conditions, particularly in the later months, which significantly affected troop movements and morale.

July 1916 began with relatively dry weather, allowing for the initial British assault on July 1. However, heavy rains began in late July and continued through August and September, turning the battlefield into a quagmire.
By September and October, the battlefield was described as “a sea of mud,” with trenches collapsing and artillery becoming immobile. Soldiers often drowned in shell craters filled with water.
The autumn rains were especially devastating — October 1916 saw some of the wettest conditions of the entire war, with rainfall far exceeding seasonal norms. This contributed to the high casualty rates and the battle’s grim reputation.

“The mud was so deep that men and horses sank into it and could not be pulled out. The rain fell almost continuously, and the ground became a swamp.” — Contemporary soldier accounts

Same goes for 1917, unusually wet conditions in august and autumn bogged down the Allied Offensives.

 

[Breizh]

One of my thoughts is that it might have been the location of a possible weather weapon; I have long suspected Germany of having been in possession of such (or similar) device because every time the "Allies" launched an offensive on the Western Front during WW1, not long thereafter, bad weather (rain, rain and more rain) would take over, consequentially severely impairing the offensive operation.

I never considered this - fascinating and imo it's entirely plausible.

 

[AntiSoof]

I once read that after a war, it is customary to clear away any leftover ammunition. A strange story, and I don't know if it is true, but it made a weird impression on me.

 

[TurpinHero]

One of my thoughts is that it might have been the location of a possible weather weapon; I have long suspected Germany of having been in possession of such (or similar) device because every time the "Allies" launched an offensive on the Western Front during WW1, not long thereafter, bad weather (rain, rain and more rain) would take over, consequentially severely impairing the offensive operation.
For example, the Battle of the Somme:
The Battle of the Somme (July–November 1916) was heavily impacted by unseasonably wet and muddy conditions, particularly in the later months, which significantly affected troop movements and morale.

July 1916 began with relatively dry weather, allowing for the initial British assault on July 1. However, heavy rains began in late July and continued through August and September, turning the battlefield into a quagmire.
By September and October, the battlefield was described as “a sea of mud,” with trenches collapsing and artillery becoming immobile. Soldiers often drowned in shell craters filled with water.
The autumn rains were especially devastating — October 1916 saw some of the wettest conditions of the entire war, with rainfall far exceeding seasonal norms. This contributed to the high casualty rates and the battle’s grim reputation.

Same goes for 1917, unusually wet conditions in august and autumn bogged down the Allied Offensives.

• The "Concussion" Theory: Many in the 19th century, including former Civil War general Edward Powers, believed that "shock and awe" from artillery could disturb clouds and trigger precipitation. Powers wrote a book, War and the Weather, claiming to show that over 150 major battles were followed by rain.
• Widespread Belief: This idea was very popular, with soldiers often reporting heavy rain after battles like Bull Run, Shiloh, and Gettysburg.

 

[Seiya]

One of my thoughts is that it might have been the location of a possible weather weapon; I have long suspected Germany of having been in possession of such (or similar) device because every time the "Allies" launched an offensive on the Western Front during WW1, not long thereafter, bad weather (rain, rain and more rain) would take over, consequentially severely impairing the offensive operation.
For example, the Battle of the Somme:
The Battle of the Somme (July–November 1916) was heavily impacted by unseasonably wet and muddy conditions, particularly in the later months, which significantly affected troop movements and morale.

July 1916 began with relatively dry weather, allowing for the initial British assault on July 1. However, heavy rains began in late July and continued through August and September, turning the battlefield into a quagmire.
By September and October, the battlefield was described as “a sea of mud,” with trenches collapsing and artillery becoming immobile. Soldiers often drowned in shell craters filled with water.
The autumn rains were especially devastating — October 1916 saw some of the wettest conditions of the entire war, with rainfall far exceeding seasonal norms. This contributed to the high casualty rates and the battle’s grim reputation.

Same goes for 1917, unusually wet conditions in august and autumn bogged down the Allied Offensives.

It could be. After all, they've been interfering with the weather for a long time.

The problem is that these battles are fake, an illusion, so the weather issue is just one more element in theater or theatre.

 

[JWW427]

Sadly, war is very real.
History gives us a timeline from one war to another punctuated only by the fall of empires, papal synods and shifting borders.
The USA and Russia are active in wars right now, but the media is bored of it already and the World Cup is looming large.
I have hosted wounded vets at my farm for 10 years now, the physical and mental scars all too evident. They tell me wild stories all the time.

 

[Broken Agate]

Who built all of these sea walls? I'm sure the story is that the Germans did, but I don't believe it. I think that these, too, are leftover technology from the old world, with yet another fake story attached to them to hide the fact that we are living in the remains of a world that we did not create. Was there a star fort on this island at some point?

 

[Jd755]

Who built all of these sea walls? I'm sure the story is that the Germans did, but I don't believe it. I think that these, too, are leftover technology from the old world, with yet another fake story attached to them to hide the fact that we are living in the remains of a world that we did not create. Was there a star fort on this island at some point?

Fine but how are you me or anyone else going to find out?
Paper records if they exist will say "the german army did it".
Photographs, if they exist, might show men in uniform building the walls or might show forced labour doing the work supervised by men in uniform and skilled construction workers, architects etc.
Plans are requred for building things of this scale but they too are unlikely to reveal anything if the survive that contradicts the german story.

Oral tales, well almost everyone alive during the war who may have witnessed the construction are either dead or close to it so that route is a bust.
That leaves the sea walls themselves. Their method of construction, the materials used, their durability as the only actual guide to figuring out when they were likely built.

Who is doing that?
Who is going to go there and get up close with whatever wall remains and attempt to work out what they are looking at with a view to it possibly being a remnant of world "we" did not create?

And if lets say there are detailed paper records, drawing, plans, journals, photographs produced by the German Army or whoever built the walls how does one establish the likely veracity of them or recognise the markers of fakery?

It truly is the total lack of viable methodology that stifles investigatiin which gets stuck in opinion and assumption.

Just my two cents fwiw.

 

[Broken Agate]

Fine but how are you me or anyone else going to find out?
Paper records if they exist will say "the german army did it".
Photographs, if they exist, might show men in uniform building the walls or might show forced labour doing the work supervised by men in uniform and skilled construction workers, architects etc.
Plans are requred for building things of this scale but they too are unlikely to reveal anything if the survive that contradicts the german story.

Just my two cents fwiw.

I agree, there's no way to find out who built these things, or when. The fact that all plans, drawings, blueprints, materials requisition orders, and other information regarding their construction seem to be MIA is very telling, however. And it's not just for this one structure, but for millions of them all over the world. Where do we ever see photos of ground-up construction of any building dated to the late 1800s? The only ones we get to see show the building already there with a bunch of rickety scaffolding around it, detritus scattered on the muddy ground, no roads, no machinery, and a few guys standing around like they were paid five dollars to pose for the cameraman.

Castles, palaces, forts, and cathedrals dated to before photography existed are simply said to have been built by peasants, convicts, and other unskilled laborers with no knowledge of architecture-- illiterate individuals who couldn't even read or write their own names let alone decipher a blueprint.

Some structures erected during the world wars do seem to have been built in the times we are told, others I'm not so sure of. Seawalls like this are all over the place and could have gone up at any time, by anyone. Some could have existed already and were added to or reinforced. Aside from raiding the Smithsonian, the Vatican, and the dank, musty basement levels of the White House, I just don't see any way of proving what's really going on. We can only keep asking questions and staying curious.

 

[Breizh]

I just don't see any way of proving what's really going on. We can only keep asking questions and staying curious.

Agreed.
If you watch Jon Levi's recent-ish videos he covers a few catalogues (like the Sears catalogue) which were distributed during an early American time period. They present countless items which appear to originate from a pre-reset (which reset we don't know) peoples. The implications are considerable when you think about it eg the infrastructure required to produce the countless items, the target customers, the transport infrastructure in place which allowed ordering and reliable shipping of very heavy items, and more.

Further clues as to the extensive developed nature of pre-*-reset peoples and technological capabilities. Different peoples, countries, cultures, attitudes...

 

[TurpinHero]

This will be my last ever post on here. And I do not care who the hell I offend.
In my humble opinion this place has become the mouthpiece of some barking mad people, with barking mad ideas, that are actually being 'liked' by other forum members.
Seiya, your comments on the dead bodies of these soldiers who died for their country are disgusting, and to me , as a human being, you have no face, I find your ideas utterly disgraceful.
You are here with the ability to write this twaddle because these people died to enable you to do it.
Lets's look at your photos... 'how can someone be shot 500 times with no blood?' A statement made by someone with what appears to have no connection to the real world.
That photo shows flies on a dead body Seiya, not bullet holes.
And blood dries out completely after 5 hours. You know that I was a professional soldier for over 30 years and one who has first hand knowledge of battle, but you still come up with these spurious comments.
Let's take the "Where are the bodies" photo.
Soldiers don't leave bodies out forever Seiya, they pick them up and bury them with grace and honour, I've done it. Your example is like me showing a photo of the autobahn/motorway and saying " they say 450 people are killed every year on this motorway - ridiculous, where are the bodies?'
And now for your 'six pieces of evidence'.
Photo 1 - "Face intact, no blood, anyone could be in that position'. The widows of the 3 soldiers I lost in the Falklands War, would no doubt love to talk to you about your ideas here.
If your statement is true, and relevant, we have another conversation.
Who then, were employed to go around and fake these millions of photos of world war one battlefields, complete with shell holes, and wrecked townships, and where are the records of them doing that?
Why was it done?
Because we have millions of actual service records of those who fought, were wounded and died there. Every town in every country in Europe had a memorial to their war dead.
I once hiked up through the forest into the Harz mountains in Germany, and ended up at the East German border, with wire, mines, watch towers and motor patrols. This was where WW2 ended for the local population.
I pulled away and walked down another track towards the village and came across a small war cemetery.
Thirty small, black iron cross gravestones.
Boys of 14 and 15. The oldest man...73. Two women, aged 33 and 51 all from the village below who died fighting the advancing Russians in the last days of the war.
For me, truly heartbreaking and something, nearly 50 years later, that can still move me emotionally. I can see them as I type.
Who faked those graves Seiya?
Who took the time to link the names of actual people from that village to the in your world, 'fake', war graves that people still place flowers on?
If your hypothesis is correct, who was behind this massive war dead hoax?
Who faked the photos?
Why?
For what reason?
So someone a hundred years later could dishonour them with tart, unthought through comments like yours?
Next photo - 'they stuffed this outfit'. Have you yet, in your life seen a dead human being, with life extinct and with the soul gone? I truly truly doubt it. The way you write, I doubt that any form of trauma has yet to affect you. A disgraceful comment.

In fact, I've just had an epiphany moment.
The Scottish dead photo did it. "What did they die of, shamelessness?" Probably the most disgusting post I have ever read anywhere.
No one could be so stupid or banal to post something like this, about Scottish mothers sons.
It's then I realised...
You're nothing more than a troll, a very very sick troll, and I fell for it hook line and sinker.
It's the only possible explanation for this complete load of utter twaddle that you have been posting. And for those who 'liked' this, you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.
You ask why this place is dying.
This type of post is why.
In my case it's one more member gone, one financial supporter gone and any new visitor reading this post will read it in disbelief, click on by, and go on to show it to their friends on social media for sh'ts and giggles, to show how silly we are.
I thank everyone who contributed to my growth through their knowledge and expertise during my time here, I have learned a lot because of you, and I will always be grateful for it, but it's really time to close the shutters.
I am 78 years old and I am wasting valuable life time in this place interacting with idiocy such as this.
Time for a beer on the deck.
Love and Light to you all.
Peace Out.

 

[Oracle]

This will be my last ever post on here. And I do not care who the hell I offend.
In my humble opinion this place has become the mouthpiece of some barking mad people, with barking mad ideas, that are actually being 'liked' by other forum members.
Seiya, your comments on the dead bodies of these soldiers who died for their country are disgusting, and to me , as a human being, you have no face, I find your ideas utterly disgraceful.
You are here with the ability to write this twaddle because these people died to enable you to do it.
Lets's look at your photos... 'how can someone be shot 500 times with no blood?' A statement made by someone with what appears to have no connection to the real world.
That photo shows flies on a dead body Seiya, not bullet holes.
And blood dries out completely after 5 hours. You know that I was a professional soldier for over 30 years and one who has first hand knowledge of battle, but you still come up with these spurious comments.
Let's take the "Where are the bodies" photo.
Soldiers don't leave bodies out forever Seiya, they pick them up and bury them with grace and honour, I've done it. Your example is like me showing a photo of the autobahn/motorway and saying " they say 450 people are killed every year on this motorway - ridiculous, where are the bodies?'
And now for your 'six pieces of evidence'.
Photo 1 - "Face intact, no blood, anyone could be in that position'. The widows of the 3 soldiers I lost in the Falklands War, would no doubt love to talk to you about your ideas here.
If your statement is true, and relevant, we have another conversation.
Who then, were employed to go around and fake these millions of photos of world war one battlefields, complete with shell holes, and wrecked townships, and where are the records of them doing that?
Why was it done?
Because we have millions of actual service records of those who fought, were wounded and died there. Every town in every country in Europe had a memorial to their war dead.
I once hiked up through the forest into the Harz mountains in Germany, and ended up at the East German border, with wire, mines, watch towers and motor patrols. This was where WW2 ended for the local population.
I pulled away and walked down another track towards the village and came across a small war cemetery.
Thirty small, black iron cross gravestones.
Boys of 14 and 15. The oldest man...73. Two women, aged 33 and 51 all from the village below who died fighting the advancing Russians in the last days of the war.
For me, truly heartbreaking and something, nearly 50 years later, that can still move me emotionally. I can see them as I type.
Who faked those graves Seiya?
Who took the time to link the names of actual people from that village to the in your world, 'fake', war graves that people still place flowers on?
If your hypothesis is correct, who was behind this massive war dead hoax?
Who faked the photos?
Why?
For what reason?
So someone a hundred years later could dishonour them with tart, unthought through comments like yours?
Next photo - 'they stuffed this outfit'. Have you yet, in your life seen a dead human being, with life extinct and with the soul gone? I truly truly doubt it. The way you write, I doubt that any form of trauma has yet to affect you. A disgraceful comment.

In fact, I've just had an epiphany moment.
The Scottish dead photo did it. "What did they die of, shamelessness?" Probably the most disgusting post I have ever read anywhere.
No one could be so stupid or banal to post something like this, about Scottish mothers sons.
It's then I realised...
You're nothing more than a troll, a very very sick troll, and I fell for it hook line and sinker.
It's the only possible explanation for this complete load of utter twaddle that you have been posting. And for those who 'liked' this, you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.
You ask why this place is dying.
This type of post is why.
In my case it's one more member gone, one financial supporter gone and any new visitor reading this post will read it in disbelief, click on by, and go on to show it to their friends on social media for sh'ts and giggles, to show how silly we are.
I thank everyone who contributed to my growth through their knowledge and expertise during my time here, I have learned a lot because of you, and I will always be grateful for it, but it's really time to close the shutters.
I am 78 years old and I am wasting valuable life time in this place interacting with idiocy such as this.
Time for a beer on the deck.
Love and Light to you all.
Peace Out.

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