Hieronymus Bosch

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-04-17 15:34:46
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Odd sort of wheels that do not have a central axle. Perhaps there is a message in the way they are pierced. Actually earrings are piercd like this so one could argue they are a giants earrings.
The square cave is Dolmen like but it is open not closed. From the Anastasia books comes the suggestion that Dolmens were places where some people coming to the end of their life volunteered to enter and die and when they do their spirit either stays in the Dolem to help their descendants and contemporary family and the wider community round the Dolmens location or goes into universal consciousness.
The birds forming the heart does echo this so tis possible the painter was aware of a time before the Roman Catholic religion appeared to blight the earth.

You are an 'evolutionary dead end' was one of the phrases that came to mind from a cd-rom quiz game my son used to play and that is what I see with those amphibians/reptiles leaving the waters and walking on the land. Evolution we are told is Darwinian so when were these pictures actually painted?

My candidate for the tree of life is the one bearing the fruit behind the yucca simply because the fruits are apple like and there is one on the ground behind the naked man sitting on the ground next to the man in the pink dress. The central pink thing is a fountain of some kind.

I do wonder how glass tubes were known by the painter, the alleged painter. Where would he have seen one when back then few windows sported float glass in them, according to the official history.

 

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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2019-04-17 16:08:50
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Thank you.
Odd sort of wheels that do not have a central axle. Perhaps there is a message in the way they are pierced. Actually earrings are piercd like this so one could argue they are a giants earrings.
The square cave is Dolmen like but it is open not closed. From the Anastasia books comes the suggestion that Dolmens were places where some people coming to the end of their life volunteered to enter and die and when they do their spirit either stays in the Dolem to help their descendants and contemporary family and the wider community round the Dolmens location or goes into universal consciousness.
The birds forming the heart does echo this so tis possible the painter was aware of a time before the Roman Catholic religion appeared to blight the earth.

You are an 'evolutionary dead end' was one of the phrases that came to mind from a cd-rom quiz game my son used to play and that is what I see with those amphibians/reptiles leaving the waters and walking on the land. Evolution we are told is Darwinian so when were these pictures actually painted?

My candidate for the tree of life is the one bearing the fruit behind the yucca simply because the fruits are apple like and there is one on the ground behind the naked man sitting on the ground next to the man in the pink dress. The central pink thing is a fountain of some kind.

I do wonder how glass tubes were known by the painter, the alleged painter. Where would he have seen one when back then few windows sported float glass in them, according to the official history.

One online GOED (Garden of Earthly Delights) analysis says that vague theories of evolution go back way before Darwin and it would be interesting to check on those sources to see if any of them could hint at them being history rewrites - like the ancient Greek ones.

Glass tubing from sheet rolled over a mandrel then fused along the knit line might have been available or they might have blown it inside a metal tube or some other clever way. Some of the glassware in alchemy labs in those days was probably spectacular. He might have just imagined glass tubing since metal tubing was common and the theme needed transparency.

 

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Date: 2019-04-17 20:24:37
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One online GOED (Garden of Earthly Delights) analysis says that vague theories of evolution go back way before Darwin and it would be interesting to check on those sources to see if any of them could hint at them being history rewrites - like the ancient Greek ones.

I like where you are going with the evolution thing, I was simply taught Darwin came up with it which lasted for decades until I learnt he was a Freemason, but it never occurred to me that there were evolution predecessors so too speak. Can you post the link(s) for me to dig into?
Not wanting to derail timeshifter.

 

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Username: Aldebaran
Date: 2019-04-17 21:40:39
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Another one of those mysterious historical people, said to have been great at something.

Nothing is known of his life. I would say because he never existed.

Only 2 images of him, considering the suposed amazing artists available, this is all we have?

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What drew me to Bosch is this painting 'The garden of earthly delights' Said to have been made between 1490 and 1510, when Bosch was between 40 and 60 years old (We don't have a clue)

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This painting, said to be 'early netherlandish reneissance' and is full of the topics we discuss here. There are also elements which we read and view in modern day 'fiction'. This for example looks like it was an inspiration for The Matrix.

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The outer cover of the tryptict painting depicts the fledgling earth, perhaps on day 3 if we believe wacki. It also follows the flat earth, dome idea.

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Would love to know how and why these people get and dates attributed to such works. This painting could be any age.

There is a twitter feed with posts cropped parts of the painting. Take a look at BoschBot @boschbot

Would love to hear other site members views on this painting its contents and the mysterious Hieronymus Bosch and the reasons for his invention & painting attribution.

Cheers

I've read a lot of books about Hieronymus Bosch, I would argue that nothing is known about his life, they have multiple records of him in several places, (wedding date, places he lived at in the city of Den Bosch, projects/works he did for the church & city and delivery dates & payments etc.)

However most of his life is a "mystery" and will always be... He surely tapped into some "higher" source of knowlegde since his works are way beyond everything else, even to today's standards.... He has been to special places & had access to extaordinary people & their information...

The guy is an absolute "genius" way ahead of his time, if you are into "El Bosco" as he is known in Spain (he is an absolute "hero" in Spain, everybody there know's him, compare this to the Netherlands, where he's doesn't get the recognition that he deserves ) , the Prado Museum in Madrid has probably the largest collection of his works + knowledge about him see : Bosch, Hieronymus - The Collection - Museo Nacional del Prado, definitely worth a visit )

If you like him, please check out "Albrecht Dürer" too.... I think they have met or have known about each other.... but I'm not sure anymore (have to look it up)

 

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Username: milhaus
Date: 2019-04-18 00:26:45
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The book I have (Bosch the Complete Works by S. Fischer) says that The Garden of Earthly Delights was probably painted in 1503, on the occasion of the marriage of Henry III of Nassau-Breda to serve as a nuptial mirror which is basically a guide to how to have a successful marriage and as an overview of benefits and hazards. It is documented in 1517 as already installed in the Brussels palace of the Nassau family.

The two outer panels closed shows the creation up to the third day. The left inner panel depicts paradise and the creation of Eve. The center panel is Humankind before the Flood and Hell is on the right inner wing.

According to Baldass in his early and highly perceptive analysis of the triptych, the Garden of Earthly Delights shows both "chronological and causally dependent events in the history of the world and humankind" and "simultaneously imagined possibilities of the state of the soul" thereby representing a "didactic moralising vanitas world picture" (Baldass 1959, p. 234f).

It has dual aims of entertaining and instructing the viewer. The first mention of the "pleasing" effect of this work was found in the journal kept by Antonio de Beatis which was mentioned in a link posted earlier. In July 1517 barely a year after Bosch's death - his travels took him to the palace of Henry III of Nassau in Brussels. He wrote, "There are also some other panels with fanciful themes, on which seas, skies, woods, landscapes and many other things are reproduced, including people coming out of a sea-shell, others being excreted by cranes, women and men and white and black in various acts and states, birds and animals of all sorts and of great naturalness, the whole thing pleasing and fantastical in such a way that it is almost impossible to describe it properly to someone who has never seen it".

Thought I'd post that so at least we have the 'base interpretation' of the panels. Where Bosch is apparently trying to paint spiritual things.
I also don't know if it is just me but I feel like they got that last quote off the internet.

 

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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2019-04-18 06:03:32
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I like where you are going with the evolution thing, I was simply taught Darwin came up with it which lasted for decades until I learnt he was a Freemason, but it never occurred to me that there were evolution predecessors so too speak. Can you post the link(s) for me to dig into?
Not wanting to derail timeshifter.

Evolution Theories Before Darwin

Islamic Foreshadowing of Evolution | Muslim Heritage This author goes to the Islamic source material unlike other reviews.

Since Bosch could easily have known about all the above early evolutionary theories its very reasonable that he folded them into his art. Since these views would have been at least mildly heretical he would have been tight lipped about them except in his art and the company of his fellow heretics. He is like the Frank Zappa of Medieval painting.

The dolmen structure in pane 1 of Garden of Earthly Delights was a hint that he and others knew there could be cultures pre-Garden of Eden. He may have been an early fan of the "reset theory".

 

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Date: 2019-04-18 06:37:46
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Evolution Theories Before Darwin

Islamic Foreshadowing of Evolution | Muslim Heritage This author goes to the Islamic source material unlike other reviews.

Thank you.

I've created this thread Evolution Pre Darwin so as no to dilute this one.

 

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Date: 2019-10-19 07:39:22
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Just saw the daily post from the boschbot on twitter

It made me think, no depictions or winter in art pre 1500s, but Bosch shows Ice and Ice scating in late 1400s.

Either Bosch knew about lakes of ice or his painting is mis-dated?

 

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Just saw the daily post from the boschbot on twitter

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It made me think, no depictions or winter in art pre 1500s, but Bosch shows Ice and Ice scating in late 1400s.

Either Bosch knew about lakes of ice or his painting is mis-dated?

Well done that man, well done indeed. You have my admiration.

 

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Date: 2019-10-19 14:13:34
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Well done that man, well done indeed. You have my admiration.

I concur. That's some keen detection right there.

 

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Date: 2019-10-19 14:59:19
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I concur. That's some keen detection right there.

Thanks, right place right time I would be happier if I could find the evidence to prove which is the truth however. Still searching!

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2019-10-19 16:43:21
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Just saw the daily post from the boschbot on twitter

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It made me think, no depictions or winter in art pre 1500s, but Bosch shows Ice and Ice scating in late 1400s.

Either Bosch knew about lakes of ice or his painting is mis-dated?

i posted a video in this thread that says he is Salvador Dali. more work needs to be done. very interesting.

 

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Date: 2020-02-18 19:18:52
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Just came across this via the Bosch bot on twitter.

You can now buy Bosch figurines.... Link

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-02-18 20:02:20
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If ‘he’ existed, especially in the stated time period, he probably was allowed to paint his stuff as pornography, and other titillations, for the elite (Including some of the ideas stated above). He was probably homosexual and given this wife to support (and protect) him. His work reminds me of some of the stuff monks painted.

 

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Date: 2020-02-18 22:30:37
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Lol~ The name of the artist is an absolute giveaway. Hieronymous is synonymous with symbolic mind machines or devices which work off the power of symbols and the mind instead of off materials. Hieronymoic machines go by the names of psionic machines and radionics.

Although most famous for his book "Mind Machines You Can Build" Wikipedia does it's shill best to make no mention of that fact.
G. Harry Stine - Wikipedia

Dr. John DeSalvo runs the Gizadeathstar Site. Dr. John was also personal friend of the late great Joe Parr. The article is from Joseph P. Farrell.
HIERONYMOUS CIRCUITS AND MACHINES
Dr. Farrell linked this article on electrically conductive inks.
Researchers create rollerball-pen ink to draw circuits

Build your own machine for predicting the future.
Build Your Own Machine for Predicting the Future? – The Windbridge Institute, LLC

Hieronymus Machine!

A Short History of the Strange Science of Radionics

 

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Date: 2020-02-18 23:06:07
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Lol~ The name of the artist is an absolute giveaway. Hieronymous is synonymous with symbolic mind machines or devices which work off the power of symbols and the mind instead of off materials. Hieronymoic machines go by the names of psionic machines and radionics.

Although most famous for his book "Mind Machines You Can Build" Wikipedia does it's shill best to make no mention of that fact.
G. Harry Stine - Wikipedia

Dr. John DeSalvo runs the Gizadeathstar Site. Dr. John was also personal friend of the late great Joe Parr. The article is from Joseph P. Farrell.
HIERONYMOUS CIRCUITS AND MACHINES
Dr. Farrell linked this article on electrically conductive inks.
Researchers create rollerball-pen ink to draw circuits

Build your own machine for predicting the future.
Build Your Own Machine for Predicting the Future? – The Windbridge Institute, LLC

Hieronymus Machine!

A Short History of the Strange Science of Radionics

Just like everything leads back to Secret Societies everything leads back to EMF effects, it seems. Hmmm

 

[Timeshifter]

A Fascinating Interpretation of the Meaning Behind ‘The Garden of Earthly Delights’ by Hieronymus Bosch! Or not!

Payne explains that Bosch was not trying to express an awareness of sexual freedom or fantasy, nor was it an attack on the Church, rather, the painting was about sin. Payne digs into Bosch’s early life, his membership in religious organizations, and his devotion to the Church. The cathedral in Bosch’s town, surmises Payne, could have been a large inspiration to Bosch’s work.

Bosch’s creatures were certainly inspired by its gothic gargoyles of curious figures animals and monsters elements of gothic architecture. …Another influence would have been the medieval manuscripts where we find drollery or grotesques in the margins. These are small decorative images, which are often humorous or sexual in nature.

View: https://youtu.be/vBG621XEegk

 

[HELLBOY]

These works attributed to Hieronymus Bosch speak of the ships of hell, you saw that technological are seen. For a man of around 1450 I find it amazing the design of technology ahead of its time. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/r9nOWG

What I don't understand is whether they are works by the artist or inspired by him.

 

[JohnNada]

These works attributed to Hieronymus Bosch speak of the ships of hell, you saw that technological are seen. For a man of around 1450 I find it amazing the design of technology ahead of its time. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/r9nOWG

What I don't understand is whether they are works by the artist or inspired by him.

They are inspired works, not works by Bosch. Per the description at the bottom of the page, ones on the link are AI generated.

 

[JimDuyer]

He was in contact with Dr Dee from England. There were several secret and encoded messages sent back and forth during this time period - the Catholics were persecuting the protestants and Bosch was one they would have loved to get something on. His name is fake - it comes from the town or area where he grew up. I believe that rather than just a person he was part of a group of people trying to get the truth out. There were other map-makers in his group as well.