Historical Substitution in the Context of Ukrainian-russian Relations

[Void Trancer]

Was there nothing and no one there before that? If there were no Russians, it means there was no one? Yes, because there is no place in the history of Russia for anything "non-Russian", no place in the real history of the peoples who are this very Russia today. There was no place for the real Ukrainian and Belorussian history, culture and language of the Central Asians in tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union.

Although, I’ll be just a little off topic, your posts and especially the above quote, Makes me think about all of the history of the Native Americans that was wiped away. The Clovis and Mississippi Cultures, the mound builders, hell, you could even say the white skinned ancients that taught the natives agriculture and irrigation; where is all that American history? NOPE, 1607. What about the Chinese getting to California? The Vikings coming to Canada and The east coast going so far as Minnesota? NOPE, 1607. Well, what about all the big cities on ancient maps like Quivara and Chilaga, there was a civilization here in the states before the colonies, why don’t we learn about that in US history? NOPE. 1607 Jamestown. You get a little hint with Roanoke in the late 1500’s (blonde haired, blue eyed natives) but nope, gotta wait till 1607 for it to be real history. And this isn’t even getting into the unprovable whispered myths like Egyptians in the Grand Canyon or Phoenicians and Romans birthing Mayan and Aztec Kings.

I often think “Tartaria” is the hidden, wiped away history of the Eastern side of Russia. Is that a confederation of radically different cultures, states, religions and kingdoms that occupied that physical land? There’s something to that whole Peter/Napoleon relationship, Friends? Enemies? Frienemies? From your statement it seems that the western half or “little Russia” (Muscovy) somehow expanded from Europe eastward towards Asia. Did they reclaim lands from the Mongol Hordes? Were they simple people living off the land like native Americans? Or were they an advanced civilization? The GOLDEN, global horde during a golden age? Where are all the artifacts of this horse-lord culture? And what the hell is up with the Great Wall of China? It’s not meant for defending China, it’s meant for defending Russia. And why all the usage of Khan after the mongol era? The commonalities of Tsar, Czar, and Caesar. Makes me think of the Tower of Babel, and the languages being split, even more so when my research shows that the sons of Noah populated these northern areas after the flood.

When you look at the BIG picture and NOT from a nationalistic view, you notice that all nations have been had, including the Germans, British, Irish, Italians, Americans, Chinese, Indians, etc., its called divide and conquer. All have had their histories modified and partially erased and have been 'inspired' to nationalistic views.

COULD NOT AGREE MORE, that’s what brings us all here to this website, all of us from different cultures and nations, all of us have…STOLEN HISTORY.

Yes, but is this not also true for most other nations? The question is who was/is responsible. The nations? Or the financiers who stood to gain every step of the way? This is the issue not being addressed.

I’ve done a lot of research on Babylon banking systems, usury, debt profiteering, secret slavery rings and even now, media control. There does seem to be one group of people who tends to control all of the financing and banking, and their sacred texts do elevate them above all other peoples…

 

[Oracle]

I can understand the original poster's desire to clarify current issues regarding Russian claims due to his ongoing present experiences, but in all honesty, on this site most of us are aware of the game played out time and time again against civilizations all the world over in the name of imperialism,power,resources and control.

In answer to your question what are members thoughts on the article, I am with Safranek.

It's high time the common view moved beyond nationalism, raised it's eyes above regional disputes, and focused on the fact that it is one singular entity that sets these games ( and regions against each other) in play.
This is what truly matters in the world today.

I'm currently reading about "the conquest" of Peru by Spain.
Entire advanced, and distinct to each other, civilizations in the Amazon vanished in the 1600's in the same way as in Europe, North America and all over.

The exact same process used every time.
Military,Church and then in sweeps a Crown or government with their governors and political systems and destruction of language and culture.
The so called British isles is similar to the mother Russia scenario.
Nothing could be more opposite than the long running cultural differences between the Anglo Saxons and the Welsh,Scots and Irish.

Nothing could be clearer, to me at least, that following each catastrophic cosmic cycle the survivors in the past became tribes in small regions.
This time around they will try to maintain complete control via their transhumanist agenda.

These big picture actors are who we should be looking to display to the people of the world.
They are the ones pulling the strings on the puppet governments worldwide.
These puppets are rivals within the same club, they are not enemies in the usual sense.
In Peru, the conquistadors often worked together at first to support each other to overcome the natives,all in the name of Church and Crown by which they could absolve themselves of their personal atrocities.
Once that was achieved, only then did the in fighting between them start as each sought to increase his own personal gain and wealth.

We need to think globally now, just not their type of global.
As long as we keep shooting words and arrows across borders, we are doomed to repeat our serfdom.

All the various history related threads over the years here, point to that conclusion,and we are running out of time very quickly.

Edited for typo,and expansion of conquistador similar methodology to european regional powers.

 

[Deleted member 37]

We all are part of the human race. There's no difference between us and no reason to fight. Surrender your weapons and embrace love. The PTBPTBPPTTBPT are our true enemies and we must fight the Parasites and Nazeeees and finally win against the forces of darkness. To the author of this historical thread I say: "Repent!!!! You shall not be Ukrainian no more. Follow the Americans who with their knowledge have come to a definitive conclusion... We were tricked by the eeeeeevil Catholic Romans with their divide & conquer™ strategy".

Let's forget this thread, let's not be divided no more. No conflict between us brothers and sisters, no more wars, no more need to fight. Let our saviours free us from the Nazeeeees.

Peace

p.s.: 15 points were addressed as to why Ukrainians are not Russians and Ukraine is not Muscovian land.
p.p.s.: I would suggets people to look into the conquer & unite strategy all over the place.
p.p.p.s: it seems there are people who don't give a f. about being united with others. It seems the ones spreading this 'stand united' crap always live in the West in full comfort and without wars, the very same place from where wars are started. It seems very convenient to somebody to spread this 'stand united' slogans since it's the best way to claim there's an enemy in foreign lands and then move war for 'regime change'. But maybe I'm crazy and everybody else is sane.
p.p.p.s.; By the way, if 'being global' (in whatever interpretation) is the official doctrine of stolen history, then I cannot see the difference from the mainstream.

Peace

 

[PantaOz]

It's interesting to me how old-Slavonic language that was the same everywhere, and Slavs are not mentioned much... and the Slavic colours of red, blue (sometimes replaced with green) and white are disregarded (the real history is much deeper thn the lies we were served about these colours... even Rabbi Shimshon Rafael Hirsch point out that the predominant colors for the Tabernacle were blends of red, blue, and white)... but, it's all about division... divide and conquer one of the mightiest groups in the world (in total, there are more than 360 million Slavs around the world, according to the World Population Review which does not include the Slavic population outside the Slavic countries, like USA, Australia, Canada, UK, China... the real number is much bigger)!

The process of dividing continues under the VATICAN colours of blue and yellow ! Look at the new "independent" creations by division... all their flags are forgetting the Slavic background (for most of them) and switching to the EUROPEAN (Vatican) colours of blue and yellow (Ukraine, Kosovo, Bosnia...)... I will not bother discussing this further. By their deeds you will know them... it seems that we are all blinded by the puppet masters and continue to enslave ourselves with these arguments destroying what once was a big family!