SH Archive How did astronauts get past the Van Allen Belts in 1969?

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Date: 2019-01-24 13:34:50
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@Moshtradamus, For your reading pleasure I present to you, Astronaut plugged the hole in ISS with his finger

I haven't participated in that thread, but there's some good back and forth comments from a few of the others in there.

Yeah, I think I put that one to bed. It's an odd story, and I don't believe the ISS is what they say at all, but that story is not a smoking gun, nor is it against what we know of physics. I'm not saying it's true, but it is possible.

AS for the VB belts, I am really curious about the film from the cameras and this radiation. One of these links said that high energy protons were the main danger. That doesn't sound right to me, and I don't know how those relate to film.

I do know that Kodak discovered a large radiation release in the Midwest in the 60s or 70s. They kept having film issues, and they used to pack the film in corn stockings and leaves. They found out the gov had released a huge amount of radiation near Indiana to test the effects on the population, where their corn parts where coming from.

It became a whole big thing. Some truth actually came out, but nobody paid any attention, and Kodak got it's corn leaves from somewhere else for a while.

 

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Date: 2019-01-24 14:40:10
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@ripvanwillie: Excellent point about the film. All this time we spend dissecting pictures and pointing out inconsistencies in them (and there are a lot) when the obvious answer was that they couldn't even take film through the VAB without ruining it. Doh!

 

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Apollo Program
1969 to 1972
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How many times has the human race stepped on the Moon?

• 6 times. All being the Apollo programs. Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 respectively between 1969 and 1972.

How they got past Van Allen Belts.

Popular Science: "There was no shortage of threats facing Apollo astronauts on missions to the Moon. Like radiation. Specifically, the dense radiation environment of the Van Allen belts that surround our planet. When it launched Apollo missions through the Van Allen belts on a path to the Moon, NASA didn’t just hope for the best. The agency had studied the “Van Allen problem” as it were, knew the risks, and made the decision to go anyway. And not one astronaut died from passing through the Van Allen Belts."

Popular Mechanics: "It's always difficult being the first, especially when you're going into space. The Apollo program encountered many difficulties on its trip to the Moon, ranging from mechanical to astrophysics. The issue of the Van Allen belt and its radioactivity was a particularly serious concern while planning the mission. Fortunately, it was a problem with a solution, one that involved skirting the most dangerous parts of the belt, and making sure the astronauts got through it as quickly as humanly possible."

Clavius: Yes, there is deadly radiation in the Van Allen belts, but the nature of that radiation was known to the Apollo engineers and they were able to make suitable preparations. The principle danger of the Van Allen belts is high-energy protons, which are not that difficult to shield against. And the Apollo navigators plotted a course through the thinnest parts of the belts and arranged for the spacecraft to pass through them quickly, limiting the exposure.

Huff Post: "The answer, simply, and which has been explained in detail elsewhere, is that the Apollo astronauts were not in the Van Allen belt for long enough to have to deal with dangerous levels of exposure to radiation. The Apollo astronauts did return to Earth having been exposed to significant radiation - but not more than is allowed by US law for workers at nuclear power stations, for instance."

Van Allen radiation belt - Wikipedia

21st century
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Conspiracy debunking: The Van Allen Belts and Travel to the Moon

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What do you think, did they go through the Van Allen belts in 1969-1972?

KD:

I think the Moon 'landing' is the biggest bunch of baloney ever used by the tricksters. They lost the 'original' tapes of the Moon landing. A whole warehouse full of tapes disappeared and now they are saying they erased them.

NASA astronaut now says they destroyed the technology of the time we went to the Moon.

Smithsonian raises $1 million to restore Neil Armstrong's space suit. I remember when this was announced and they showed the suit laying on a table at the Smithsonian. The 'original' boots had an entirely different tread pattern on the bottom.
On the Moon, Flags & Footprints of Apollo Astronauts Won't Last Forever

I could not find the page with the MIT students saying we could not go to the Moon until we found a way to shield the electronics, people, and the exterior of the Space shuttle. The following video is of an NASA engineer explaining why we haven't been back to the Moon.

We didn't have cell phone service back then so how did they communicate with NASA. Many other questions are raised from the supposed Moon landing.

Is there a dome or firmament covering the earth? If so how did they get through it?

 

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Date: 2019-01-24 15:04:42
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Simple fact: radiation exposes film.

But it was broadcast LIVE, ya'll. No need to worry about bringing the film back.

Apollo 11’s lunar landing and specifically Neil Armstrong’s first steps on the Moon was, arguably, the biggest television event of the 20th century. Knowing the impact a live broadcast would have on the world, Deke Slayton went so far as to push NASA to include an erectable antenna on the LM so Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin wouldn't have to wait for a tracking station to come within range before stepping outside. NASA’s live broadcast of Apollo 11’s landing was nearly a decade in the making, and required some stunning feats of engineering.
From Popular Science itself, How NASA Broadcast Neil Armstrong Live from the Moon

I guess nobody thought to record it, though. Unfortunately, no VCRs back then.

 

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Date: 2019-01-24 15:46:20
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Radiation effects on communication performance. "Radiation enhances or deteriorates communication performance depending on dosage. " Not sure how much radiation electronic equipment is exposed to while passing through the VAB but maybe someone else knows.

 

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Date: 2019-01-24 15:52:38
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I think the Moon 'landing' is the biggest bunch of baloney ever used by the tricksters. They lost the 'original' tapes of the Moon landing. A whole warehouse full of tapes disappeared and now they are saying they erased them.

NASA astronaut now says they destroyed the technology of the time we went to the Moon.

Smithsonian raises $1 million to restore Neil Armstrong's space suit. I remember when this was announced and they showed the suit laying on a table at the Smithsonian. The 'original' boots had an entirely different tread pattern on the bottom.
On the Moon, Flags & Footprints of Apollo Astronauts Won't Last Forever

I could not find the page with the MIT students saying we could not go to the Moon until we found a way to shield the electronics, people, and the exterior of the Space shuttle. The following video is of an NASA engineer explaining why we haven't been back to the Moon.

We didn't have cell phone service back then so how did they communicate with NASA. Many other questions are raised from the supposed Moon landing.

Is there a dome or firmament covering the earth? If so how did they get through it?

I found this video after my post when looking up the Firmament. He makes some very good observations and also mentions operation Fishbowl which was done in the 1960's. These tests were done after Admiral Byrd came back from Antarctica in operation Highjump.

Operation Fishbowl - Wikipedia
Operation Highjump - Wikipedia

 

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Date: 2019-01-26 21:53:00
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So, they avoided damage from the radiation by...going through it super-duper fast?? / I guess you could run through a burning building really fast, but you'll probably still lose some skin.

 

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I don't think we went when we originally said we did but I'm curious about the reflector that scientists shoot laser beams off of that supposedly exists on the moon from one of our trips.

MIT and Russia both conducted "successful" lunar laser-ranging in 1962, no reflector needed. Apollo 11 allegedly put the first reflector on the moon in 1969.

To be sure, more and more, I’m accepting the notion of a secret “space” science program, I just have no idea of what such “space” involves or consists of, what has been explored from within it, what vehicles and mechanisms have been used to conduct such explorations, and for how long such exploration has been conducted.

 

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MIT and Russia both conducted "successful" lunar laser-ranging in 1962, no reflector needed. Apollo 11 allegedly put the first reflector on the moon in 1969.

To be sure, more and more, I’m accepting the notion of a secret “space” science program, I just have no idea of what such “space” involves or consists of, what has been explored from within it, what vehicles and mechanisms have been used to conduct such explorations, and for how long such exploration has been conducted.

see YouTube channel secretspaceprogram

 

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Do these "belts" actually exist? The explanation for them includes the same science quackery that has been around for 100 years...

 

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Is that really what they expect us to believe is the moon lander? I thought it was a poor man's representation of what it looked like. I think I could go to the local craft store and then make something like that myself.

Yeah, im 100% sure that the guys at NASA commissioned this project to some kids in the elementary school.

 

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Do these "belts" actually exist? The explanation for them includes the same science quackery that has been around for 100 years...

I was wondering that, myself. Maybe they are completely mistaken about how radiation works in space. And they also come up with idiotic notions like black holes and dark matter, trying to explain features of the universe that are more readily explainable as electrical phenomena. Who knows what is really real anymore? I feel like I'm just hanging around this world to find out what happens next and who turns out to be right.

 

[Mavis]

Apollo Program
1969 to 1972

How many times has the human race stepped on the Moon?

• 6 times. All being the Apollo programs. Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 respectively between 1969 and 1972.

How they got past Van Allen Belts.

Popular Science: "There was no shortage of threats facing Apollo astronauts on missions to the Moon. Like radiation. Specifically, the dense radiation environment of the Van Allen belts that surround our planet. When it launched Apollo missions through the Van Allen belts on a path to the Moon, NASA didn’t just hope for the best. The agency had studied the “Van Allen problem” as it were, knew the risks, and made the decision to go anyway. And not one astronaut died from passing through the Van Allen Belts."

Popular Mechanics: "It's always difficult being the first, especially when you're going into space. The Apollo program encountered many difficulties on its trip to the Moon, ranging from mechanical to astrophysics. The issue of the Van Allen belt and its radioactivity was a particularly serious concern while planning the mission. Fortunately, it was a problem with a solution, one that involved skirting the most dangerous parts of the belt, and making sure the astronauts got through it as quickly as humanly possible."

Clavius: Yes, there is deadly radiation in the Van Allen belts, but the nature of that radiation was known to the Apollo engineers and they were able to make suitable preparations. The principle danger of the Van Allen belts is high-energy protons, which are not that difficult to shield against. And the Apollo navigators plotted a course through the thinnest parts of the belts and arranged for the spacecraft to pass through them quickly, limiting the exposure.

Huff Post: "The answer, simply, and which has been explained in detail elsewhere, is that the Apollo astronauts were not in the Van Allen belt for long enough to have to deal with dangerous levels of exposure to radiation. The Apollo astronauts did return to Earth having been exposed to significant radiation - but not more than is allowed by US law for workers at nuclear power stations, for instance."

Van Allen radiation belt - Wikipedia

21st century

Conspiracy debunking: The Van Allen Belts and Travel to the Moon

* * * * *

What do you think, did they go through the Van Allen belts in 1969-1972?

KD:

They didn't

 

[Just]

You will enjoy Dave McGowan's 14 part write-up on the inconsistencies of the moon landings.

This is the moon lander, somehow this rickety and flimsy looking pile of tin detached from the main craft landed on the moon and also protected the astronauts from radiation and, well, all the other deadly debris floating around waiting to rend your craft asunder in space- oh and then it blasted off the surface of the moon and made it all the way back to couple with the main craft.

I always was a firm believer in the fact we went to the moon, until I spent any time at all looking into the inconsistencies. Dave's blog does a good job explaining them, the fact its a blog and he can get a little smug at times is annoying but the content is irrefutable.

Wagging the Moondoggie

Talking of blasting off from the moon in that flimsy tin can, who filmed that happening and how did they pan up to follow the craft rising?

 

[Mavis]

Talking of blasting off from the moon in that flimsy tin can, who filmed that happening and how did they pan up to follow the craft rising?

In 1984, I took my three youngest children (ages 10, 14, and 15) to see the Space Shuttle Enterprise at Brookley Field in Mobile, Alabama. We stood a distance off. I think they expected to go inside. That didn't happen. I sensed they wanted to ask (but didn't) what's it all about, Mama? I'm glad they didn't. I would of had to say, I don't know. The four of us were silent all the way home. There wasn't anything to talk about (There's a video on You Tube of the Enterprise at Mobile, Alabama in 1984). Love your words flimsy tin can. Looking back, I wonder if the four of us were thinking in terms of 'just a big tin can.' Sort of a 'the Emperor has no clothes scenario.'

 

[Just]

In 1984, I took my three youngest children (ages 10, 14, and 15) to see the Space Shuttle Enterprise at Brookley Field in Mobile, Alabama. We stood a distance off. I think they expected to go inside. That didn't happen. I sensed they wanted to ask (but didn't) what's it all about, Mama? I'm glad they didn't. I would of had to say, I don't know. The four of us were silent all the way home. There wasn't anything to talk about (There's a video on You Tube of the Enterprise at Mobile, Alabama in 1984). Love your words flimsy tin can. Looking back, I wonder if the four of us were thinking in terms of 'just a big tin can.' Sort of a 'the Emperor has no clothes scenario.'

I feel as if, at this point, the only thing holding this story together is collective apathy and inability to question or look into anything because none of it stands up to scrutiny.

In 1984, I took my three youngest children (ages 10, 14, and 15) to see the Space Shuttle Enterprise at Brookley Field in Mobile, Alabama. We stood a distance off. I think they expected to go inside. That didn't happen. I sensed they wanted to ask (but didn't) what's it all about, Mama? I'm glad they didn't. I would of had to say, I don't know. The four of us were silent all the way home. There wasn't anything to talk about (There's a video on You Tube of the Enterprise at Mobile, Alabama in 1984). Love your words flimsy tin can. Looking back, I wonder if the four of us were thinking in terms of 'just a big tin can.' Sort of a 'the Emperor has no clothes scenario.'

I feel as if, at this point, the only thing holding this story together is collective apathy and inability to question or look into anything because none of it stands up to scrutiny.

I feel as if, at this point, the only thing holding this story together is collective apathy and inability to question or look into anything because none of it stands up to scrutiny.

And just to add, I was 14 when they were supposed to have landed on the moon and the blurred and grainy black-and-white pictures were on tv every day when I came back from school and I remember feeling really unimpressed by how bad the whole thing looked. I was a big fan of Dr Who which started six years before the moon landing and I was used to cheaply made special effects and shaky space crafts - well this was worse and I kind of didn’t believe it even then (although scepticism wasn’t allowed or encouraged for anything on the BBC - unlike now ).

 

[Mavis]

Your feelings are on target. However, looking into things and holding them up to scrutinity is what gives a person inner power. No one can take that away from you. The day will come when people that had the determined ability to search for truth will possess the power, will be the strength that will deliver what's left of ages of darkened humanity into restored truth.

On the day of 'we're off to see the man in the moon' supposed moon landing, I went to my parents house. My father looked disgusted. What's wrong, Pa, I asked. There's something wrong with this Country, he said. Why do you say that? I wanted to know. No one's going to the moon, he said. Those high-ups aren't fooling me. No one's going to the moon

 

[Just]

Your feelings are on target. However, looking into things and holding them up to scrutinity is what gives a person inner power. No one can take that away from you. The day will come when people that had the determined ability to search for truth will possess the power, will be the strength that will deliver what's left of ages of darkened humanity into restored truth.

On the day of 'we're off to see the man in the moon' supposed moon landing, I went to my parents house. My father looked disgusted. What's wrong, Pa, I asked. There's something wrong with this Country, he said. Why do you say that? I wanted to know. No one's going to the moon, he said. Those high-ups aren't fooling me. No one's going to the moon

Reminds me of a couple of years ago when my mum at 99 refused the covid jab and when they asked why she said ‘I don’t believe in this ‘coronavirus’!’ That shut them up!

 

[Mavis]

Three Cheers for Mum! I ran into that myself with a retired nurse right after the kill shot rolled out. She was taking some other Seniors to the Publix Grocery Store Pharmacy. She meant well but people's good intentions can lead to all sorts of bad intentions when all's said and done.

You're on my list, she said. And what list's that, I asked.

The Covid shot, she said.

You better take me off your $&)@&?/?$!&?! list, I said. She didn't talk to me for a long time after that tirade. My standard response when the word Covid comes up is, I'm not going to let someone purposely kill nor maim me for whatever remaining days I have left.