SH Archive Human Origins: Are We Hybrids?

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-02 10:51:06
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You were arguing for hybrids, but this seems to be about genetic modification. And the 2 theories seem incompatible. I guess the general point is that humanity is a 'tinkered' creation.

I also can't help noticing the pic of a 'dogmatic creationist' vs a 'dogmatic evolutionist'. Well, if you pick the most extreme positions and put them in antithesis, of course you can make them look ridiculous.

But somehow you fall on the science side of things on this highly speculative creation story, and dismiss the spiritual side. I guess that that dismissal on your part, is what I struggle with.

As pure speculation, no doubt your hybrid/genetic mod. line of thinking is possible, but to me the spiritual side also remains possible, whereas for you it has been dismissed. I wish I could understand why! Perhaps it's just that your interest is only in the objective, real world explanation? But I don't think that's it...
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-02 12:11:13
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The theory is about hybrids too. It does not specify exactly what species were used as a base but his observation about the lack of fur is spot on and something E. McCarthy has missed out (as far as I can tell). Also our extreme susceptibility towards disease is another give away sign that something is off.

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The human origin seems to be a mixture of evolutionary forces and creationism (by aliens) in the same way as we "tinker" with other animals and create new breeds. The difference with us though is that our "breeders" were more advanced and somehow they managed to input a certain consciousness or a thought frame into our minds as to ensure our survival. We do something similar with animal training but it's basic. We brainwash the dog to follow our commands. And we do that because it is/was done on us too.

The author suggests that the experiment was rushed and the end result has many flaws, which I happen to agree with. In part 2 I talked about how incompatible we are with our environment and we need additional social structures and special physical infrastructure to survive - we call it civilization.

It is obvious that we were created with the idea to be exploited and again we do the same with other animals. This strange behaviour can not be observed with any other species and it's a legacy from our creators. The fact that we have a vertical social hierarchy reveals our slave mentality. Democracy is supposed to be horizontal but the fact that it never works properly reveals this "flaw" in us.

On spirituality

When people talk about spirituality I find it hard to understand the concept. If real, the so called "spirit" seems to be bound to a physical body and totally dependent on it. No spirit can withstand an extended period of starvation or extreme weather conditions. So I don't think there's anything separate from the body. The physical organism is the spirit (the energy).

Talks about divinity and spirituality always originate in the religious thinking which itself is born out of fear. It is very strong with humans again for the same reasons mentioned above - we are a somewhat flawed creation.

As I have mentioned in my previous replies to this topic, this idea is bound to be rejected and labeled as too negative but in my opinion it is in fact THE key to throwing off the shackles of our exploiters. Can it be done? I don't know but unless we are totally honest with ourselves we can not find out why we are the way we are. To evolve further we first need to stop exploiting each other and then be able realize who on top wants to exploit us.

If we continue to think that we are somewhat special and spiritual beings, THEY will continue to exploit this dream like state.

It's time to wake up!
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-02 13:59:59
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I think I start to see where you are coming from. Have you read brave new world? Is it a book you like? It sounds like you are taking that idea of epsilon babies etc as your starting point.

Yes, but this isn't natural. It's forced. I think you object to it. I definitely do. I think this is nurture not nature. Perhaps you take democracy seriously, but I don't - I think it's a cover story for the oligarchs or whoever really controls us. TPTB certainly have a pretty good hold of the objective world (money, education, health, history, etc) - they do control the stage, and are mighty powerful wrt the nurturing they can impose.

Sweeping! I'd agree that fear has a major role, and I do see how a fear of death creates religious thinking (another control structure) but not spiritual thinking.

I can have a sense of awareness, such that it makes me pay greater attention to a situation or myself. A sixth sense. I'm not saying I have this but at times I have thought so. Perhaps a better example would be personal synchronicities that arise. Neither of these are fear related. And what about values, such as knowing right from wrong? Where do those come from? Did the engineers create them? Or perhaps they couldn't subdue them?

Do you know, I don't like this directive at all? Maybe it's me, but rather than being given instruction I need to understand the reasoning. And at present I still don't know why we aren't spiritual beings in your book.
 
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Username: Janet
Date: 2020-06-02 14:19:06
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One of Churchill’s quotes are cats look down on you dogs look up to you and pigs look you straight in the eye
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-02 15:24:28
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I have to question the whole genetic engineering premise.

Assuming humans are a genetic experiment AND assuming we are the result of a "rush job" (2 assumptions for the foundational premise), then why are we still flawed?

Aliens have supposedly had thousands of years visiting Earth; surely they've had time to tweak the flaws from the original?

We have evidence of protohumans or other humanoid creatures cohabitating Earth in our past yet none today suggesting we either killed them all or were simply better adapted to survive.

If aliens are so superior to us and capable of creating an entirely new species which becomes the dominant species on a planet, why has it taken so long to fix their mistakes?

If current UFO sightings are any indication, aliens are still interested in the goings-on of human beings. So, it's not like they hurriedly created "good enough" humans to do their gold mining or as sex toys and then just left us to die out naturally (as happens to all genetically flawed creatures). They keep coming back. What are they looking for? What are they waiting for?

Surely sometime in the past several thousand years they had time to correct the errors in our genetic code and let the tweaked superior version wipe out us puny flawed creatures as we did to those who came before us.

Again, why keep us? Or maybe the better question is, why keep us as we are? Are they incapable of fixing their mistakes or unwilling? An "affirmative" answer in either direction does not bode well for their alleged god-like status.

If they made us, they're horrible parents. Or cruel scientists.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-02 17:44:17
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Transhumanism?

Feralimal and whitewave, all this is just a theory and considering the harsh reality it suggests it might not even be explored further. But one thing for sure though, it does explain a lot about our world.

If anyone can give me alternative answers, I will listen:
  1. How come we don't have fur?
  2. Why 23 pair of chromosomes and low fertility?
  3. Why are there so many physical (and mental) similarities between us and pigs?
  4. Why are we physically so incompatible with our environment?
  5. How come we don't know what we're supposed to eat and not to eat?
  6. Why are we devolving? Genetic Entropy
  7. Why is there is so much exploitation and greed in the world?
  8. Why do we chase the carrot so slavishly?
  9. Why is there so much conflict between people?
  10. Why is there a ruling elite who does not seem to care?
  11. Why do we need an elite at all?
  12. Why is there a push towards transhumanism?
  13. How come we have a drive to go to space but it seems we're stuck down here?
  14. Are we on permanent lockdown?
  15. Why is there so much hidden about our history?
  16. Why is there so much lying in general?
  17. Why so much fear?
  18. Why aren't they any genuine revolts against the elite and yet we are ready to die for the elite in wars?
  19. How come we outnumber the controllers by 99.9999 to 0.0001 and yet they stay in control?
  20. Why are we so passive and easily manipulated?
  21. Why do we need religions that promise us happiness after death?
  22. Why not just be happy here and now?
  23. Why is there so much disagreement between people?
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-02 19:35:44
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Well that's a lot of questions to attempt answering in a post response. I think I've addressed a couple of your questions already, although apparently not to your satisfaction.
That's a whole philosophical "meaning of life" discussion ill suited as a topic for this site.
If you were geographically closer it would be great to have such a chat over coffee (or tea, I guess if you're British).
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-02 19:47:21
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whitewave, thank you for the invitation. I'll reserve it for next time I'm in US.

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I was looking at road kill statistics and found that an estimated 1.3 million animals die every day after being struck by cars and trucks in Brazil alone. What kind of divine spiritual beings would do that?
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-02 20:17:42
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Its a plausible theory, but that's not what G ranckles me. The bit that I don't understand is how you are able to dismiss God from the equation and be so adamant that is a materialistic world. God/spirituality/creation force seems plausible too, in many ways more so, not to mention that it is also satisfactory in other ways. The no god/no spirituality assumption that runs through your idea here, needs further explanation.

On your questions, there are some good ones! The hair one is one I have considered in the past. Hair will keep on growing indefinitely - how is that sensible wrt evolution or living naturally? And the difference between male and female head hair (beards, etc). Also, while pigs maybe a little like humans too, aren't dogs and cats also similar, with specific character traits, rats even?

On lying, cheating, bad stuff.. I would say that is not our natural state. It think we are honest, joyful, trusting creatures. But the system we are born into demands that we adapt in certain ways in order to survive. Fear is the system's mode of moulding us. And it contorts us into something we would not be left to ourselves. I think.

I personally find the metaphor of a spiritual battle useful in explaining how we are here, but I'm open to other explanations (eg that what we find is a outward expression of our collective unconscious). Perhaps there is a standard path to get to become 'elite', and that it involves all the things that are abhorrent to our natural selves, secrecy, deception, cheating, unfairness, etc. Out perhaps it is a familial thing, or something else. Whatever, once you have control, if you keep that going over generations, perhaps you can subvert the whole world into believing up is down, left its right etc. If you make it your business to hide yourself and control things from the shadows, who would even know? Like I say, I think our default is that we are joyful, trusting creatures, but for the sake of sanity here, I think it is better to trust nothing and no one and to verify things for oneself, or live with the uncertainty. Perhaps that is our spiritual mission even.
 
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Username: wild heretic
Date: 2020-06-02 20:26:33
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I equate annunaki to gods and i equate gods to noah and his descendants. The genesis thing came before that. So in that regard i agree that gods made us in a rush job. Maybe adam takes far too long to create or maybe god has left the building to make over worlds. The chinese say they are from the moon. Maybe god had a base there in the sun. Lots of questions, who knows. Just gotta keep researching and see what comes up.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-02 20:36:27
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Feralimal, the way I see it, we humans are neither good nor bad but our slavish mentality is hard to ignore. Also the fact that it has persisted since the very beginning suggests that we need to look at the initial design to find out what is going on.

When we look at history, it is important to not just make a catalog of the events but look for repeating patterns. One very prominent patterns is that we have always had a non-benevolent elite and many many wars thanks to their policies. But to cloud our judgement we have been sold the idea that there's a good god and although things are bad down here, we will be awarded afterwards. Black psy-op 101.

What if god(s) and his agents are the ones keeping us in violence?

And you might be onto something.
 
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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-06-02 21:25:29
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I don't have much faith that being a student of history will teach us anything much at all, I'm afraid. We are living through historical times, and I think we can see what is being written - and it's not as we understand things. What would be the lessons to take from the official story? That wearing masks and social isolation was right? My view is that we cannot trust others, so history, which has passed through many hands is still less trustworthy. The value of it to me is finding the most inconsistencies - these inconsistencies themselves may be the best guide we have to indicate the lies.

Things that are on firmer ground IMO, when considering one's personal objective and subjective experiences. You may be lied to etc, but if you are attempting to verify the truth and respond to the real reality (as best you can interpret it) as opposed to the show we are presented with, you will do better, feel more sane, happier, etc - good. There may even be times when events may transpire in a remarkable way that may indicate to you that there is something more, but I don't think there will ever be proof of it, such as TV footage!
I don't discount that! Very gnostic. But also spiritual, which is against your thesis.
 
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Username: Cap'n
Date: 2020-06-03 03:22:19
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I'm glad you made this post; it was on my mind as well. I came across this theory few years back from KoanicSoul where he expands on a bit further here, and his other articles: Boar raped Bonobo = First Human: The Horrifying Implications

and here:

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This seems to reinforce my animal/temperament association with phenotype, as in: various bird face, frog face, owl, etc etc. Why people are drawn toward dog breeds which resemble themselves. Alliances formed on basis of similar phenotypic and memotypic characteristics. I have my own theory on face reading that would belong in another thread.

I am with Bunnyman in that I believe there has occurred on more than one occasion, intelligent interference in the human genome via genetic engineering/hybridization probably 'annunaki' with various animals as you mentioned in the same vein as The Island of Dr. Moreau by none other than, yet again!, H. G. Wells. This 'tampering/corrupting' has likely contributed to the downfall of man in my opinion. (I was actually going to post the movie today and now I see you mentioned it here in this thread by happy coincidence).

Here is an article which I had bookmarked some time back as well: Pigs and humans share more genetic similarities than previously believed

.... convergent evolution...HA!

It is not coincidence either in my mind that various fruit, vegetable, and nuts resemble the various part of the human body which they fortify. The walnut is in the shape of a brain, and good for the brain (also look like a pair of lungs?), the tomato is red and has four chambers like the heart, is good for the heart, the avocado usually grows in pairs and resemble the testicles of a man (in Aztec language of Nahuatl, Aguacatl is testicle) and are good for the testicle, the cashew in the shape of the prostate, etc etc.

All in all, I believe this ties into a deeper and more expansive and sinister agenda which is related to the transhumanist agenda above mentioned and a total corruption of that which was originally created and intended for this world.

And lastly, I also wanted to add that human hybridization that resulted in Adam and Eve (via cloning of Adam using his mesencymal stem cells from rib pereosteum - see link above for further discussion) may be from the same source which engineered what I call the various 'fake' animals around the world, i.e. the platypus, narwhal, cheetah etc. Are Cheetahs the result of ancient genetic engineering? These animals likely have been released into the wild as novelties and curios to both confuse and throw off the public from unadulterated creation or specifically designed to be domesticated for work related purposes; i.e. just as the Golden Retriever was bred with a soft mouth to retrieve small birds without damaging them on a hunt, so to the cheetah likely played a similar role as well as status indicator. The dolphin was certainly domesticated in some remote Atlantean time to herd schools of fish for fisherman in the same way sheep dogs are used to herd sheep, etc etc.
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-06-03 04:14:34
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Part of the premise for plamski, correct me if I'm wrong, is that essentially consciousness then is created from the flesh. I think (therefore I am?) that it's completely the opposite. Not sure there could ever be anything to convince me otherwise, and for what little it's worth, I like to consider almost anything as a rule. I am not interested in changing anyone's mind on this, but I would also say that just because spiritual belief can be used to manipulate, it does not have any bearing on the veracity of that belief. Things can be largely true and still serve a controlling agenda.

I am definitely not a fan of the whole alien creator business, for a myriad of reasons, though perhaps it is somewhat truthful from a certain point of view. I doubt any of us will figure it out in our lifetimes, so for me, I'm just gonna enjoy that this being a possibility:

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The slavish part is also a duality though which is manifested in the human race. There are sheep and shepherds. Being a sheep is less work and you have a lot of shepherds encouraging it in both subtle and overt ways. So it's not really surprising or necessarily indicative of some sort of inherent species design that they would constitute the majority.
Yes, but it is too much for me personally to then conclude that the totality of the concept of a "higher power" is all a psy-op. Your comment reminds me why religion does have a lot to pay for as far as smearing spiritual concepts for personal glorification and control. Though it seems that the classical religions basically already have. They're not the "new hotness" anyway, that's for sure.

And you don't have to sell me on the psy-op component of a lot of "New Age" spiritual beliefs either. I've read the Changing Images of Man... which would also suggest that the strict materialist mindset serves similar agendas.
 
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Username: Cap'n
Date: 2020-06-03 15:54:54
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I believe the platypus is the product of hyprid experiment of duck and beaver.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-04 15:14:55
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HUMAN ORIGINS: ARE WE HYBRIDS? PART III

The Naked Ape

The official narrative tells us that the last Ice Age, known as the Pleistocene Epoch (Quaternary Glaciation), began almost 1.8 million years ago and lasted until approximately 11,700 years ago. Before that there were other periods of very cold climate. In the definition of the Quaternary Glaciation it very plainly states that we are CURRENTLY in it.

The reality is that during our existence we have never had a fully thawed planet. That means that the human race appeared on a cold planet. If we were a result of natural evolution we would have developed features to make our lives easier during the cold, but no, in fact the opposite is true - we have no protective layer, we’re furless! Our body average temperature is rather low compared to other mammals. In result, we always struggle in the cold climates. For that reason, we borrow protection by stripping other animals of their fur or we make it ourselves in the form of clothes and we make rather sophisticated shelters and fire.

The human babies are born with almost no hair and necks so fragile that they can die if they aren’t supported and tiny fingers that can’t hold onto anything properly. They are totally helpless for a long period, almost up to ten years. In comparison, other animals’ babies are born almost ready to face the day. The reptiles, for example, don’t even need to take care of their babies – they are totally independent from day one. Ours can’t even see initially. In general though, All babies of the so called Great Ape have longer postnatal development. Chimp babies have almost the same length of early development as humans. The higher the relative intelligence, the longer the postnatal development. Also, when a human is more intelligent they usually have a weaker body. As one characteristic increases, others diminish. It’s a trade-off.

But chimps have fur and we don’t. Fur is such a good adaptation that no primate would be caught without any. In the most sweltering jungle monkeys and apes have lots of fur, as fur keeps them from losing heat at night, keeps the bugs off them during the day, and keeps them from sun burning or getting scratched up when going through the bushes. There is no reason why an evolving hominid would lose fur on a cold planet.

Let’s see what mainstream media has to say on the subject of no fur. There are three main theories:

The Heat Theory suggests that:

“Africa was hot when we were evolving. Real hot. Walking upright got us up and away from the hot soil. Losing our fur allowed us to lose heat more easily. Sweating increased evaporative cooling and cooled us down. Once we got upright and started to walk around in the sunny savannah we were no longer in the cool forest of our ape ancestors and we had to lose the fur to make it easier to rid ourselves heat.”

First we don’t know how hot Africa really was and secondly being naked when it’s hot during the day has many disadvantages: the skin can burn more easily, one would have more bites from insects and one would lose too much heat during the night when it get colder.

Some desert mammals, such as camels, use dense fur to prevent solar heat from reaching their skin, allowing the animal to stay cool; a camel's fur may reach 70 °C in the summer, but the skin stays at 40 °C. So contrary to what this theory suggests, the fur in fact protect against the heat.

The second one, The Aquatic Ape informs us that:

“… our apelike ancestors lived a semiaquatic lifestyle. They foraged on foods found in shallow waters. Hair is a terrible insulator in water, so we lost it as the dolphins and whales did.”

Considering that we developed on a cold planet, being in water most of the time would have been even more unbearable for the naked humans. Yes, we do have subcutaneous fat under the skin to provide some protection from cold but the amount of our fat is a lot less than other aquatic or semi-aquatic mammals for it to be an adaptation to buoyancy. Plus, we are not the only terrestrial mammals who can swim. Most do.

The third one is called The Parasite Theory. It does not even need to be debunked as it’s self-defeating. It is not sure which came first, the fur or the clothes:

“It’s no secret that fur hides ticks, lice, flies, and other nasty ectoparasites. These creatures aren’t just annoying and blood-sucking, but they bring deadly illnesses like one of the world’s number one killers: malaria. As human’s brains grew (largely due to the ability to successfully hunt, cook, and eat meat) we became smart enough to make clothes, build shelters, and create fire. This enabled us to lose the fur to avoid the parasites while being able to stay warm at night with our shelter/fire/clothing combination.”

We are not the only naturally occurring furless or reduced fur mammals, so let’s take a look at the other:
  • whales, dolphins & porpoises
  • dugongs & manatees
  • some pinnipeds such as walruses
  • hippopotami
  • elephants
  • most rhinoceros
  • babirusa & some pigs
  • naked mole-rat
  • naked bat
  • naked dog (domesticated)
The first three are aquatic or semi-aquatic mammals. The ancestors of pigs, elephants and rhinos spent a significant part of their past evolving in or near rivers, lakes or swamps and lost most of their fur. The naked mole-rat lives entirely underground, where fur is more of a hindrance than a benefit.

In conclusion, the Aquatic theory is perhaps the only one which has some sort of logical explanation of why we are furless.

The hybrid theory of chimp+furless pig could explain it too with the only problem that it suggests that the backcrossing was with more chimpanzees not pigs. So we would have more fur.

The extra-terrestrial Anunnaki theory proposed in the article posted here suggests a more “exotic” idea that we were genetically modified hybrids and the creators were rushed for some reason.

So why are we furless on a cold planet?
 
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Username: Lilis
Date: 2020-06-04 18:13:30
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We are not hybrids, we are parasitized / intervened. They, the bugs, the astral parasites, seek to hybridize us. They always program as if it had happened in the past to make it really happen in the future. Believe (be live), in Spanish creer/crear = believe/create.
The stories in the so-called "holy books" are not stories that supposedly happened in the past, they are programming for the future.
We don't know anything about our past. Why think that they would let you know a sacred book to know it, when they have erased / manipulated everything else? It is a crazy and stupid idea.
 
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Username: MrB0N3s
Date: 2020-06-04 22:48:52
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The same way designers and coders have bugs and technical glitches in expertly designed software has always made me surmise editing and curating life such as a farmer might selectively crossbreed will take an awful lot of maintenance and observation.
 
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Username: plamski
Date: 2020-06-06 21:15:48
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That's a very profound thought. Thank you.
 
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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-06-07 03:29:26
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That resonates with me. We seem to be certainly running on a script and manipulation of what we see as reality is no question to most here. The prophets seem to be inside traders.

But it is also possible that there are no "sides". We are perhaps all ethereal beings. We create worlds out of the Akasha/Astral/Aether/Heaven or idea substance. Those ideas are played out in the created lower vibrational realm (Hell). That maybe where we originate and come from and where we return after our game is up. The influence of our brethren in "heaven" on us in the thick soup may seem parasitic and negative, but that maybe just what we came here for to experience.
 
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