SH Archive Human Origins: Are We Hybrids?

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-16 20:28:12
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Also, it's extremely disingenuous (not of you but of the article's author) to claim humans have alien DNA when we don't have any alien DNA with which to compare it. We could just as easily conclude that having over 200 genes not shared by any currently living creature is what distinguishes us as uniquely human.

All theories start with an assumption. It is obvious that modern humans do not fully fit in the environment in the way the other Earth's natural species do. We behave like guests who overstayed. We even want to stop animals from farting to save the planet - how more arrogant can we get?

Devolving is what nature intends, me thinks. Interestingly, you cant really start with a small brain and evolve into apex species. Goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Evolution would have you decrease entropy, while 2nd law of thermodynamics has you increasing entropy. However, there are observable self-organizing systems. Even more interestingly, to achieve self-organizing, you need chaos. Because everything that was, is and will be, is right there in chaos.

True. We're rapidly devolving too. Maybe that's why the designer wants to tweak with us again - dna vaccines - gmo - humans muzzles - isolation.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-17 02:07:27
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ZERO hostility here, only some of my own complementary thoughts. I think it's a great article and a really great authentic thoughts. The idea was conveyed in an excellent manner. Made me laugh out loud at times. So, I'm simply going to add my thoughts to it.

This supposition does a real great way of binding of the ZZ Top and pearl necklace song and Jesus's saying don't go giving pearls to pigs. Haha, furthermore most religions stating, "don't eat pork" we assume due to commuitive diseases and parasites they may contain. Also that they are pack animals with high intelligence. But it might be don't eat then because there more like you than you know. *Creator wink

I have pondered this for the past few days. I'm also known to the idea if you make enough suffering and souls crying out, to death. You can invoke spirits, demons, angels, whatever to give you advice inorder to make you stop doing it. Much like the Aztecs, or Nazis extermination of large groups. I've heard stories of this brings forth different worldly things. I've never bought into people being capable of "Just Doing It". I would dread it, killing all day - ick the PTSD of it all. Then with the current flu happening. I've heard that many million pigs have been killed & buried. Recall that Bible-Jesus cast souls into pigs then killed them. Why could they not hold similar advanced spirits and fears that humans have? Then get similar help/communication if you have a vrill like group in contact at the same time.

A few other random thoughts. The Germans found a paradise in Antarctica. Though I really think there's a better chance around the North Pole. (You know... No intelligence without counter intelligence) then remember that sub taking images of the giant cigar shaped spaceship emerging from the waters near NP (USS Trepang SSN 674 submarine in March 1971). Then with the technology they had they were able to take over the world's government's (Washington flap) and now Nazis run the place for space craft construction? I don't know anyone just theories. I welcome you to share any outlandish ones you have in reply. No hostility please.

These are simply my musings and trying to put like sounding puzzle pieces. Hope someone reads and enjoys!

 

[feralimal]

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Date: 2020-07-17 09:24:25
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All theories start with an assumption. It is obvious that modern humans do not fully fit in the environment in the way the other Earth's natural species do. We behave like guests who overstayed. We even want to stop animals from farting to save the planet - how more arrogant can we get?

True. We're rapidly devolving too. Maybe that's why the designer wants to tweak with us again - dna vaccines - gmo - humans muzzles - isolation.

I think you make some interesting points plamski. But I find your perspective always tends to the negative and disassociative. As far as I can tell, all you are doing is opening new, unfalsifiable lines in fear porn.

For the sake of argument, let us accept that all you say is true, that we are hybrids and degenerating. What of it? Should we just wring our hands, shake our fists in the air, blame others?

So, what value do you get from holding an unfalsifiable belief that makes you feel impotent, angry and in despair? Is it that no one can prove you wrong? It seems a conscious choice of yours to seek the worst, in a disempowering way.

Why would you not hold another unfalsifiable belief, say that God loves you, or that this experience is a growth opportunity? These are equally well evidenced, I think. The advantage of that sort of belief may result in a more positive experience of real life for you.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-07-17 12:07:44
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All theories start with an assumption. It is obvious that modern humans do not fully fit in the environment in the way the other Earth's natural species do. We behave like guests who overstayed.
We could also assume that we didn't originate on this planet but adapted well enough to survive.
True. We're rapidly devolving too. Maybe that's why the designer wants to tweak with us again - dna vaccines - gmo - human muzzles - isolation.

I wouldn't mind some wings this time

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-17 16:12:30
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Hi Feralimal, how are you doing, mate? I'm here in the next couple of weeks if you'd like to pop in.

I think you make some interesting points plamski. But I find your perspective always tends to the negative and disassociative. As far as I can tell, all you are doing is opening new, unfalsifiable lines in fear porn.

For the sake of argument, let us accept that all you say is true, that we are hybrids and degenerating. What of it? Should we just wring our hands, shake our fists in the air, blame others?

So, what value do you get from holding an unfalsifiable belief that makes you feel impotent, angry and in despair? Is it that no one can prove you wrong? It seems a conscious choice of yours to seek the worst, in a disempowering way.

Why would you not hold another unfalsifiable belief, say that God loves you, or that this experience is a growth opportunity? These are equally well evidenced, I think. The advantage of that sort of belief may result in a more positive experience of real life for you.

The paradox is that, for me personally, this realization is in fact a relief. We've been fooling ourselves for millennia about our origin and our nature with both branches, the theist and the atheist, providing only half of the picture. They haven't delivered what they promised - the theist fooled us with the sweet trap of all-loving god and atheists (the scientists) mislead us to believe that we are native species to this planet (only we are darn scared of them bugs - the most abundant creatures here).

If we all realize what our true origin is, perhaps it will humble us down and provide us with the right attitude to exist on Earth. At the moment we behave as if we're owe the space. Mind you, I am not in any shape or form aligning with the modern environmentalists, their agenda has nothing to do with preservation and adaptation.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-17 16:46:15
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We even want to stop animals from farting to save the planet - how more arrogant can we get?

We can, but you cant do it because animal cruelty and would threaten gas providers profits.

 

[feralimal]

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Date: 2020-07-17 21:08:39
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Hi Feralimal, how are you doing, mate? I'm here in the next couple of weeks if you'd like to pop in.

The paradox is that, for me personally, this realization is in fact a relief. We've been fooling ourselves for millennia about our origin and our nature with both branches, the theist and the atheist, providing only half of the picture. They haven't delivered what they promised - the theist fooled us with the sweet trap of all-loving god and atheists (the scientists) mislead us to believe that we are native species to this planet (only we are darn scared of them bugs - the most abundant creatures here).

If we all realize what our true origin is, perhaps it will humble us down and provide us with the right attitude to exist on Earth. At the moment we behave as if we're owe the space. Mind you, I am not in any shape or form aligning with the modern environmentalists, their agenda has nothing to do with preservation and adaptation.

I'm glad it's relief to you. If you feel like you have eliminated other possibilities and this is what remains, I can see how it could be a relief to get some clarity. Mind you, I don't understand how you can eliminate metaphysical causes (not religion) and science, yet hold to aliens being the ones affecting us.

My position is different. I agree that we have been fooled, but for millenia? I just can't get back that far. I know that is what we are told but that seems like just another story. I certainly don't trust science either. I don't even know what is meant by planet. I'm not sure that the lights in space are actual places, and that aliens can come from there. I'm skeptical of anything that I can't or haven't personally verified.

 

[plamski]

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Ape-human Hybrids - Mammalian Hybrids - Biology Dictionary
Ape-human hybrids have been a viral topic on the internet. And many people think a cross between a human and a great ape might be feasible. However, despite the fact that apes and humans are so close in terms of their taxonomic classification, an extensive search of the literature has revealed little really reliable evidence that such a cross has ever occurred. Rarely do stories like these end up with competent biologists investigating; and never are the results of any such investigation published.

Augusto Dembo. In January 2020, reports went viral about an Angolan woman claiming on her deathbed that she had had a longterm sexual relationship with a wild chimpanzee and that her 12-year-old son, Augusto Dembo (shown at right), was a hybrid resulting from that relationship. However, photographs cannot prove hybrid ancestry, and it seems Augusto has not been examined via genetic testing. He now lives with his uncle and aunt in the capital city of Luanda. In the reports Dr. António Mendes of the Hospital Municipal do Moxico, in the city of Luena there in Angola, is quoted as saying that “Sexual relationships between humans and chimpanzees are fairly common in the region but this is the first time a pregnancy is officially reported.” It's true, however, that reports about Angolan women hybridizing with apes have been appearing for more than three centuries.

 

[plamski]

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Ape-human Hybrids - Mammalian Hybrids - Biology Dictionary
Ape-human hybrids have been a viral topic on the internet. And many people think a cross between a human and a great ape might be feasible. However, despite the fact that apes and humans are so close in terms of their taxonomic classification, an extensive search of the literature has revealed little really reliable evidence that such a cross has ever occurred. Rarely do stories like these end up with competent biologists investigating; and never are the results of any such investigation published.

Augusto Dembo. In January 2020, reports went viral about an Angolan woman claiming on her deathbed that she had had a longterm sexual relationship with a wild chimpanzee and that her 12-year-old son, Augusto Dembo (shown at right), was a hybrid resulting from that relationship. However, photographs cannot prove hybrid ancestry, and it seems Augusto has not been examined via genetic testing. He now lives with his uncle and aunt in the capital city of Luanda. In the reports Dr. António Mendes of the Hospital Municipal do Moxico, in the city of Luena there in Angola, is quoted as saying that “Sexual relationships between humans and chimpanzees are fairly common in the region but this is the first time a pregnancy is officially reported.” It's true, however, that reports about Angolan women hybridizing with apes have been appearing for more than three centuries.

Thank you. He does look like hybrid. Hybrids are far more common than we think. It'd be interesting to find out later if he'll be able to procreate.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-23 08:41:06
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Sexual relationships between humans and chimpanzees are fairly common in the region

What

 

[aj00148]

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Date: 2020-07-23 20:39:22
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Nothing I’ll say can be proven or disproven but that’s what this forum is for, throwing out ideas and theories to trace back and understand our origins.

I’ll add that I haven’t knowingly eaten pork or anything that has pork derived products in over 20 years. I wanted to include that based on what the first post said.

I think it’s a misnomer to credit aliens with creating genetic hybrids. There’s a famous scene in the movie Repo Man where the character Miller says that ufos are time machines. Now - this stuck with me, I think that the things we call aliens are simply other humans, perhaps further advanced, but still from the same concept. Maybe they’re from other planets or dimensions, maybe from our own past and future. A witness to the Rendleshem Forest ufo incident claimed after touching glyphs on the craft, he retained the following binary code, which translated to this:



Notice the coordinates referenced, it could be bs, but I believe him.

And think of how a human body would evolve if taken off earth, if it grew on another planet or in a place with little gravity. Would it resemble a frail, alien like appearance? I don’t know.

Other threads have mentioned giants - are they any less human than we are? Or a clue to what once was?

I apologize but I’m going further off the deep end now - bear with me.

We’ve carried star knowledge with us as far back as conventional history can accept. The question is - why? Some wonder why did the ancients bother with positioning structures to align with stars? Why did so many apparently unconnected cultures do that? Because they understood the heavens speak to us, they are the creative expression and influence of the demiurge. It’s the same as if you took rotting garbage and left it in a room - the room begins to smell - flies come in, etc. Now think about the relationship between our earth and everything else. These forces have power over us, we once understood how to be in harmony with it, but only a sliver of that knowledge remains and is respected. These are the gods revered in our past. Understanding of the relationship between earth, other planetary influences, and constellations requires galactic knowledge, not just flight. Alternatively, it requires humans with such advancement mentally and spiritually, that they can remotely view or astral project themselves into the heavens. Astrology isn’t a religion or entertainment column in the paper, it’s the oldest knowledge we have of the universe. Which means to me it came from somewhere far away from earth.

It’s really hard to imagine until you’ve seen it, but if you go deep into a place without light pollution, the stars and universe at night are literally the most amazing and beautiful thing you’ll ever see. It’s crazy to imagine that ancient humans could’ve made sense of it without an outside influence.

Unfortunately there was a war, one that almost destroyed the planet and made the moon and Mars barren. What was leftover after this war and great flood is anyone’s guess - people recall Atlantis - which if you look at the interior of Australia, does it spark something in you? Do you wonder why the outback is there? Or how did Africans end up there 75000 years ago? Or about the unique plant and animal life? And what happened to the land bridge that connected it to the east Asia? And why it took thousands of years for Europeans to discover something known to Africans? And what does the aboriginal Dreamtime represent?




This has been brought up before but there’s clues to the story - but it isn’t clear.

ATLANTIS AND THE PRIESTS OF SAIS | open.conted.ox.ac.uk (beta)

In the story, an Egyptian priest Sonchis recalled to an Athenian statesman Solon that Atlantis had been destroyed 9000 years prior. The Egyptian priesthood and religion was (and still is) the root of all religion and esotericism. It maintained an unbroken line of knowledge about the history of our planet - maybe even our galaxy. The great tragedy is that it was taken from us, the truth of our past, our origins

When no one was left on earth to pick up the pieces from our last great destruction, someone or something stepped in. It could have been the remnants of Atlantis - who possibly possessed the spiritual prowess for reteaching truth to what was left of humanity?It’s not a coincidence that the law of Ancient Kemet mirrors the Law of Moses.



Who gave him the law? Who raised him to humanity? Who created man(kind) - kind being the operative word? It’s more than hybrid genetics, it like in 2001 a space odyssey, when the apes touch the monolith. The roots and potential were there, but we were running around in loincloths, while they retained the ancient knowledge of our universe. They faded and we multiplied.

 

[plamski]

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It’s not a coincidence that the law of Ancient Kemet mirrors the Law of Moses.
Who gave him the law?

Religion, law and state go hand in hand - all to oppress and deceive.. Law is like a door in the middle of an empty field and only slaves walk through it.

 

[plamski]

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Here's a thought that just occurred to me whilst discussing something similar with a friend. I thought it might be relevant to this thread.

Now I'm no expert so may be wrong here, but if you look at the great apes, within each species they don't seem to have the same visually distinct racial differences that we see among different races of humans? Especially in facial features and skin colour variation. You could extend the same to other mammals in nature e.g. Asian and African lions facially seem to look essentially the same (or am I just not looking closely enough? )

Whereas if we take the domesticated dog, they are a sub-species that have been manufactured from an original species (the wolf obviously) by a more intelligent species (us obviously). Then through generations of experimental and selective breeding the result has been an incredibly diverse range of breeds. Under the skin they are still the same species yet each breed has visual markers and physical characteristics that clearly identify it as belonging to that breed.

So could it be said that the different races of humans are more like what we see with different dog breeds than what would be seen if purely natural selection? e.g. we even have pygmy peoples

Which may back up the theory that humans were originally manufactured/hybridised by a more intelligent species.

PS: I still consider myself an atheist and my default position if pushed would still be plain old natural selection based evolution, until I have irrefutable evidence presented to me that convinces me otherwise. But am much more open minded than I once was since the 'official story' we are fed on so many things seems to become more absurd by the day.

 

[plamski]

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Here's a thought that just occurred to me whilst discussing something similar with a friend. I thought it might be relevant to this thread.

Now I'm no expert so may be wrong here, but if you look at the great apes, within each species they don't seem to have the same visually distinct racial differences that we see among different races of humans? Especially in facial features and skin colour variation. You could extend the same to other mammals in nature e.g. Asian and African lions facially seem to look essentially the same (or am I just not looking closely enough? )

Whereas if we take the domesticated dog, they are a sub-species that have been manufactured from an original species (the wolf obviously) by a more intelligent species (us obviously). Then through generations of experimental and selective breeding the result has been an incredibly diverse range of breeds. Under the skin they are still the same species yet each breed has visual markers and physical characteristics that clearly identify it as belonging to that breed.

So could it be said that the different races of humans are more like what we see with different dog breeds than what would be seen if purely natural selection? e.g. we even have pygmy peoples

Which may back up the theory that humans were originally manufactured/hybridised by a more intelligent species.

PS: I still consider myself an atheist and my default position if pushed would still be plain old natural selection based evolution, until I have irrefutable evidence presented to me that convinces me otherwise. But am much more open minded than I once was since the 'official story' we are fed on so many things seems to become more absurd by the day.

Yes, indeed.

A pet is a disgrace to nature – it is a domesticated wild animal that is dependent on humans for survival. The reason humans create pets and other domesticated animals is because we ourselves are domesticated wild Homo Erectus cross bred with more intelligent species.

We, humans are also incapable of fending for themselves, we are dependent and that was the point of our creation, because when you are dependent on the gods then you can be manipulated by the gods.

Why did we domesticate animals? For control of food and labor. If we are domesticated what does that mean? There is a higher power using us for food, labor, energy control. Since humans are conscious with good senses the aliens must remain hidden otherwise humanity would openly revolt. But we are detecting them and we are coming to realize that any alien presence on earth can only mean one thing – they are up to no good.

To keep us in line they created our myths and ruling class, the Illuminati are a special bloodline set up to control us. They have the ‘pure’ blood. Religion and politics are crafted to keep us in bondage and slavery. The only reason they can pull this off is because we do not belong here, we are not natural, we are alien hybrids incapable of existing on our own.

 

[Whitewave]

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Yes, indeed.

A pet is a disgrace to nature – it is a domesticated wild animal that is dependent on humans for survival. The reason humans create pets and other domesticated animals is because we ourselves are domesticated wild Homo Erectus cross bred with more intelligent species.

We, humans are also incapable of fending for themselves, we are dependent and that was the point of our creation, because when you are dependent on the gods then you can be manipulated by the gods.

Why did we domesticate animals? For control of food and labor. If we are domesticated what does that mean? There is a higher power using us for food, labor, energy control. Since humans are conscious with good senses the aliens must remain hidden otherwise humanity would openly revolt. But we are detecting them and we are coming to realize that any alien presence on earth can only mean one thing – they are up to no good.

To keep us in line they created our myths and ruling class, the Illuminati are a special bloodline set up to control us. They have the ‘pure’ blood. Religion and politics are crafted to keep us in bondage and slavery. The only reason they can pull this off is because we do not belong here, we are not natural, we are alien hybrids incapable of existing on our own.

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Humans are quite capable of managing on our own and so are dogs for that matter.

I live in the country and city people dump their domesticated , neutered, declawed pets out here all the time. I have to keep shooting them because they keep surviving well by raiding my rabbits, chickens, and goats.

Humans have domesticated themselves and, left in a "wilded" environment, we'd probably have a harder time than the dogs but survival is doable. I've done it.

And if aliens are so advanced, why would they be in the least bit concerned about us finding out about them? Why would they bother hiding from us?
I don't worry about a goat uprising or hide from my livestock.

And saying that aliens made us is just shifting the goalpost. Who made the aliens? There has to be an a priori, a first cause.

The odds of life, any life (nevermind the overwhelming diversity of its multitudinous forms) spontaneously arising are beyond astronomical. For such an event to happen again on another impossibly distant realm strains credulity.
It actually takes less faith to believe a supreme being/ intelligent designer created us by breathing into a handful of dirt.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-27 22:13:46
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If you think about Natural Selection, a human being is an impossibility. The very process of selection keeps the specie fit in the environment. A deer is surrounded by food, it eats everything in reach, and at night it’s fur keeps it warm. A deer fits perfectly into the natural world, but a human does not.

 

[plamski]

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If you think about Natural Selection, a human being is an impossibility. The very process of selection keeps the specie fit in the environment. A deer is surrounded by food, it eats everything in reach, and at night it’s fur keeps it warm. A deer fits perfectly into the natural world, but a human does not.

Perfect idea why humanity was seeded here.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-07-28 09:14:54
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If you think about Natural Selection, a human being is an impossibility. The very process of selection keeps the specie fit in the environment. A deer is surrounded by food, it eats everything in reach, and at night it’s fur keeps it warm. A deer fits perfectly into the natural world, but a human does not.

The environment is gone, circadian rythm and red light adaptation shows a different environment not so long ago.

 

[dreamtime]

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The environment is gone, circadian rythm and red light adaptation shows a different environment not so long ago.

But why is everyone except humans still adapted to the current environment? It's as if we are from somewhere else.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2020-07-28 14:12:07
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But why is everyone except humans still adapted to the current environment? It's as if we are from somewhere else.

Warning, personal opinion: I believe we are from somewhere else. Mars, maybe? I think we may be the descendants of escaped survivors or explorers. Not a shred of proof, of course, but would answer a lot of questions (at least for me).