Immigration taking place in the West

[feralimal]

Why now?

Surely the answer is something like: 'immigration causes atomisation and therefore even greater dependence on the governance system'. And ever greater control of people is the governance system's aim. What next, is probably technocratic governance, facilitated by smart meters, smart phones and ai. And so it goes on.

 

[Jd755]

HMG is His Majesty's Government, right?

Yes.

The thing is though, isn't this idea of the past also just another illusion?

The entirety of the past is an illusion. Life is now. It cannot be put any simpler than that.
I am merely looking at comparisons as a way of trying to figure out why migration has become what it is today and specifically "why now" because I can and an interested enough to do so.
I don't buy all the various labels bullshit that lots of folk in these parts use to lay blame on.

 

[Jd755]

What next, is probably technocratic governance, facilitated by smart meters, smart phones and ai.

The future is just as much an illusion as the past. The only difference that could be argued for is the lived past is what we call experience.The future is an idea. Cute idea but just an idea.

 

[Jd755]

The fact of the matter is most people alive during my lifetime to date do not migrate. Most do not migrate even within their country of origin so migrants on the grand scale are and like as not always have been the minority.

Humans are selfish by nature. Few accept it but when looking at actions and ignoring sayings it becomes blindingly obvious. Selfishness is a good thing for humanity as a whole which is likely why it is put down dare I say demonised, constantly in all human societies I have looked into. (not comprehensive coverage but there it is.)
There is no point in pretending you can help others by not putting yourself first because if you are not in the best position you can be you are obviously unable to help yourself let alone others.

If that is accepted then the migrant is a migrant because something is wrong, not quite right, doesn't fit within whatever life they are living wherever they are living it. They are looking outside for a solution and that solution is a physical move.
It can be within the country they were born in. Most are big enough to enable a migrant to seek a solution within its borders. However if no solution is found within then outside the boundary of the country comes into consideration.
There are many ways to cross a border which, are lets be honest, other than being a geographic feature are all imaginary.
It is the crossing of the border which gives the individual the status label of migrant should they choose to adopt it and use it. I suspect most don't they just get on with their life in the best way they can for themselves.
A proportion must realise or discover actually the country of origin actually wasn't that bad and return just as a proportion just move to a third or fourth country in search of solution becoming slow motion nomads, if you will.
Some will settle. Some will integrate. Some will leave the entirety of the society of their country of origin behind. Some will navigate to enclaves within their chosen host country. Some will "return home" in retirement. Many, many doctors here do precisely that.
Some will pick up skills, abilities, wealth etc here and take them back to their country of origin long before retiring.
Some will send everything they possibly can "back home" to help family, friends, tribe etc in their country of origin.

If their act of migration can be funded and or facilitated by someone else then the upfront risk of the migration is lessened considerably. Often and I know this from personal experience its governments and ex migrants which are most likely to facilitate the process for the potential migrant.
People smugglers whilst they likely exist are not the big players the press and governments tell us they are.
I am also pretty sure a proportion of migrants are in reality slaves being moved by slave exporters for slave importers. If the government pays and facilitates this movement the slave traders are playing a win win game.
Again from personal experience this is why so many "illegal" migrants disappear from "the system" and so few "reappear" in Border Force raids.

Migration en mass can only be achieved with the active compliance of the government of the host country. The jurisdiction of said government begins and ends at the border. That border is not fixed, even with geographic borders, as disputes, war, treaty, agreement, annexation alters them but it is to all intents and purposes where the rules of governance meet.
If there are people and by people I mean men women and children, running from death in the form conflict or persecution with the intent of returning home when things improve then its sensible for them to head across the border with the nearest safe country whose government will accept them.
If its overwhelmingly men who make up the flow of migrants then something else is driving them. No man would choose to leave those he loves behind at risk of death unless he himself is at risk of death. I would argue that most of those men who are genuinely at risk of being knocked off wouldn't run and leave their loved ones behind
Men who cross continents seas and countries are not running from death.
They are seeking something else or have been offered something.

Trouble is for those who live in any country where the demographic is actively being altered is few can read the language in use in the countries where any marketing activity by governments, ngos, charities may be being run.
I have seen a few online but given the fact anything digital can be changed altered or adulterated a giant packet of salt needs to be taken.
Basically if there is overt marketing going on in foreign countries we Britons would only find out about it if we had friends and or family over there or those that knew about it who have migrated here.
Again a low chance of discovery.

There is evidence of organised migration being the dominant factor in play both for the legal and the illegal migrants. There is HMG compliance in play.
The illegal migration can be stopped instantly by the expedient of ripping up a piece of UN headed paper and Border Force stopping migrant boats and returning the occupants to France. But HMG people currently have no intention of doing either.
The legal migration can be stopped simply by putting a block on the process. Once again the intention is lacking.
Does this lack of intention signify that the demographic change is being undertaken for nefarious reasons?
If so what are the benefits of said change and who benefits?

 

[Jd755]

Well seen as I asked...

I have long held a notion that the society we are told is "the known world" is run from a triumvirate of locations by men and maybe some women who are nameless and faceless within the public domain.
The three locations are Vatican city, Washington District of Columbia and the City of London.
This is not the thread to go into the whys of how I arrived at this notion as its about the journey to the west (not not the Chinese book) aka the migrant going west.
Suffice to say these three locations are countries within countries and as such they are without the border, society and jurisdiction of the countries that surround their physical location.

The people who invoked, invented, called into being the apparatus of demographic change do their work within these locations and use the network of people connections to implement them through time, society and geography.
Very little is known of what actually goes on inside these three places and even less is known about the people working there. All three have been in existence for hundreds of years. How long is anyone's guess as institutions rise and fall on a different timescale to the humans who work within them. Suffice to say the humans who invented them are long gone.
And yes, humans. Not any other imaginary living being, humans.

It could be that the physical locations change over time but other than catastrophe taking one out I woud argue there is always three of them because that number is used to mimic the role of the human in this reality as I see it which if anyone is interested can be found by putting 369 jd755 into the site search.

Right. So if one accepts that notion as being likely near if not 'on the money' what is to be gained by the people in these locations imposing demographic change and again "why now"?

As these people are literally beyond knowing any guess about their motives, beliefs, ideas, reasons, religion etc can never move into the realm of probability. Its a fruitless endeavour. Fun but fruitless.
Looking at the actions that can plausibly be attributed to their network of connections may be as close as one can get. In that regard its the numbers being moved that give lie to the likelihood its orchestrated action across the known world. Just as the lie of the banking system is similarly orchestrated.
The parallel with banking is justifiable because banking is hierarchical in nature as in fact are the majority of the systems that can be plausibly attributed to the network and its originators/current operators. It follows that migration is a hierarchical undertaking.
The level with overriding control is always anonymous. The network operators are answerable to the above are sometimes sort of obliquely visible before vanishing again in a flood of misinformation.

With migration the host country's government and indeed the countries of the emigrants government as a whole is likely oblivious to existence of the network controllers but a few named and or faced people will know. To further muddy the pattern NGO's and 'local and international charities' which exist on government and corporate money are used as the vehicles of implementation.
Just as with banking anything that can be boxed off is.

Migration is used as a duality. Benefit and detrimental. Good and bad. You know the age old usage of duality as the obfuscation method. Irrespective of what any of the people involved experience its always presented by the mechanism of government as a duality. This effective prevents the truth of why getting traction within the population of the host country.
It could simply be that, that is the reason orchestrated migration exists.

Migration is also used to disrupt the established order of how things are run on a day to day basis. Absorbing new people who have nothing invested in the system in operation they are entering inevitably disrupts. Once again duality comes into play as the disruption can be beneficial and detrimental to both individual and the whole depending on circumstance and time.
Even the appearance of a few new people into an established dare I say stable society, large or small, will disrupt it. If those people are literally "only here for what they can grab" and they replace established people resentment builds in those immediately affected and in those that remain but have to work with the newcomers. Tensions build across many situations.

The most marked differences in this little town where I have lived my entire life is the appearance of foreign faces & appearance and the sound of foreign tongues. Secondary to that is the number of foreign speakers who work in or own retail businesses and the number of them who work in the care segment, sector, industry.
There have always been foreign men and women working in hospitals and doctors surgeries, restaurants, cafes and the like. Occasionally crews of ships and submarines being built for foreign navies brought their nuclear families with them so its not like foreigners were completely unknown here but today its very different.
Its not me harking back to "the old days" I am just noting the change and how marked it has become.

Looking at it as I am "supposed to do" to "fit in" with my peers its not clear if the appearance of large numbers of people who have nothing invested in this country, its people its ways and customs let alone this town itself its not easy to see the benefits. The detriments are more obvious to be brutally honest perhaps because they are more noticeable.

Back in the day encountering foreigners here was universally, for me, a pleasant experience during which I did not give any thought to them being born in another country. Today its a much more mixed bag. Most frankly don't interact. They stare, they gawp on occasions but most pay no heed. The few that do are always pleasant. The variety of foreigners here has increased beyond reckoning. An awful lot are only seen once or twice then they disappear.
The migrant and ex migrant population is a flowing population far more than the native population is.
There has only been some argy bargy between Kurds pretending to be Turkish and actual Turks, Albanians and Indians employing "undocumented individuals", some Arabs and Indians flogging "illegal stock" a bit of actual hands on sexual harassment of young women by Indians and lots of low level harassment by various men of various nationalities.
On the positive side of things. Most of the migrants and ex migrants don't seek to recreate the country they were born in. They fit in where they can or where they have too and cause no trouble to anyone.

As I said hard to establish a position one way or the other on the purpose of having these people in town.

 

[AntiSoof]

Well seen as I asked...

I have long held a notion that the society we are told is "the known world" is run from a triumvirate of locations by men and maybe some women who are nameless and faceless within the public domain.
The three locations are Vatican city, Washington District of Columbia and the City of London.
This is not the thread to go into the whys of how I arrived at this notion as its about the journey to the west (not not the Chinese book) aka the migrant going west.
Suffice to say these three locations are countries within countries and as such they are without the border, society and jurisdiction of the countries that surround their physical location.

The people who invoked, invented, called into being the apparatus of demographic change do their work within these locations and use the network of people connections to implement them through time, society and geography.
Very little is known of what actually goes on inside these three places and even less is known about the people working there. All three have been in existence for hundreds of years. How long is anyone's guess as institutions rise and fall on a different timescale to the humans who work within them. Suffice to say the humans who invented them are long gone.
And yes, humans. Not any other imaginary living being, humans.

It could be that the physical locations change over time but other than catastrophe taking one out I woud argue there is always three of them because that number is used to mimic the role of the human in this reality as I see it which if anyone is interested can be found by putting 369 jd755 into the site search.

Right. So if one accepts that notion as being likely near if not 'on the money' what is to be gained by the people in these locations imposing demographic change and again "why now"?

As these people are literally beyond knowing any guess about their motives, beliefs, ideas, reasons, religion etc can never move into the realm of probability. Its a fruitless endeavour. Fun but fruitless.
Looking at the actions that can plausibly be attributed to their network of connections may be as close as one can get. In that regard its the numbers being moved that give lie to the likelihood its orchestrated action across the known world. Just as the lie of the banking system is similarly orchestrated.
The parallel with banking is justifiable because banking is hierarchical in nature as in fact are the majority of the systems that can be plausibly attributed to the network and its originators/current operators. It follows that migration is a hierarchical undertaking.
The level with overriding control is always anonymous. The network operators are answerable to the above are sometimes sort of obliquely visible before vanishing again in a flood of misinformation.

With migration the host country's government and indeed the countries of the emigrants government as a whole is likely oblivious to existence of the network controllers but a few named and or faced people will know. To further muddy the pattern NGO's and 'local and international charities' which exist on government and corporate money are used as the vehicles of implementation.
Just as with banking anything that can be boxed off is.

Migration is used as a duality. Benefit and detrimental. Good and bad. You know the age old usage of duality as the obfuscation method. Irrespective of what any of the people involved experience its always presented by the mechanism of government as a duality. This effective prevents the truth of why getting traction within the population of the host country.
It could simply be that, that is the reason orchestrated migration exists.

Migration is also used to disrupt the established order of how things are run on a day to day basis. Absorbing new people who have nothing invested in the system in operation they are entering inevitably disrupts. Once again duality comes into play as the disruption can be beneficial and detrimental to both individual and the whole depending on circumstance and time.
Even the appearance of a few new people into an established dare I say stable society, large or small, will disrupt it. If those people are literally "only here for what they can grab" and they replace established people resentment builds in those immediately affected and in those that remain but have to work with the newcomers. Tensions build across many situations.

The most marked differences in this little town where I have lived my entire life is the appearance of foreign faces & appearance and the sound of foreign tongues. Secondary to that is the number of foreign speakers who work in or own retail businesses and the number of them who work in the care segment, sector, industry.
There have always been foreign men and women working in hospitals and doctors surgeries, restaurants, cafes and the like. Occasionally crews of ships and submarines being built for foreign navies brought their nuclear families with them so its not like foreigners were completely unknown here but today its very different.
Its not me harking back to "the old days" I am just noting the change and how marked it has become.

Looking at it as I am "supposed to do" to "fit in" with my peers its not clear if the appearance of large numbers of people who have nothing invested in this country, its people its ways and customs let alone this town itself its not easy to see the benefits. The detriments are more obvious to be brutally honest perhaps because they are more noticeable.

Back in the day encountering foreigners here was universally, for me, a pleasant experience during which I did not give any thought to them being born in another country. Today its a much more mixed bag. Most frankly don't interact. They stare, they gawp on occasions but most pay no heed. The few that do are always pleasant. The variety of foreigners here has increased beyond reckoning. An awful lot are only seen once or twice then they disappear.
The migrant and ex migrant population is a flowing population far more than the native population is.
There has only been some argy bargy between Kurds pretending to be Turkish and actual Turks, Albanians and Indians employing "undocumented individuals", some Arabs and Indians flogging "illegal stock" a bit of actual hands on sexual harassment of young women by Indians and lots of low level harassment by various men of various nationalities.
On the positive side of things. Most of the migrants and ex migrants don't seek to recreate the country they were born in. They fit in where they can or where they have too and cause no trouble to anyone.

As I said hard to establish a position one way or the other on the purpose of having these people in town.

Duality!
You describe duality.

And I find that correctly stated, and it reminds me of the non-duality I have studied for ten years; a way to become more grounded in reality by transcending it. I mean transcend duality to non-duality. To understand more and to see light, beauty, wonders.

(An example is language. It is dualistic in nature because it is an illusion. The word 'chair' is actually not a chair, but it describes the properties of a thing we sit on. But that word itself does not exist. It is an agreement between us. Many people now forget that words are agreements and view them as truth-in-themselves. That gives rise, among other things, to the duality; language itself.

That is also partly the ego; language. But words do sometimes hurt, for example. Then the ego is wounded. That is, of course, good, except when psychology exploits it. As Freud's cousin discovered. But this phenomenon has, of course, been known to the elite for much longer.)

Non-duality is calm and peace, attention to the true and the beautiful 'things'. Wisdom and transcending ignorance. And transcending the ego that always wants to have the final say, in a way to be more realistic and less stupid.

From this it can follow that duality continues to be sown to pit people against one another; divide and conquer.

Those are/seam the Satanists who turn everything upside down; war is peace, right is wrong, and so on. They sow division instead of unity. Unity creates power, and the elite want to retain power, at all costs.

Perhaps that is what it is about. They, the elite, see themselves as Caesar(s) and live merrily in the pleasure gardens, leaving the people toiling in confusion. Lol.

 

[Jd755]

Perhaps the biggest impact, possibly a reason for the migration now is the subtle yet determined impact on the native population.

The British people I grew up around were overall a stoical lot. Not that I realised it at the time. Didn't suffer fools, yet elected fools. They called a spade a spade and if someone didn't like it tough titty. They had a grasp on right from wrong and everyday disputes were sorted without resorting to "government people'.
Sure there were lots of things that were bemoaned, complained about that are just as complained about today but there was an overwhelming cohesion in society at large, at least in this town, that most were good people moving in the right direction.

Migrants were few and far between. Most were actually migrating from somewhere else in Britain. In fact I struggle to recall anyone migrating to this town unless you count some of the Irish chaps who worked in the shipyard. Piss taking about anything and everything was everywhere. Very, very few took offence. Most gave as good as they got. Even when it came to blood and blows what's done was done and that was that life goes on.
Point being it was the cohesion that seems to be a possible threat to whoever it is in the City of London running society.

Certainly long before the flow of migrants became the flood the cohesion of the people has been deliberately undermined by decisions being made outside of the public domain that are implemented within the public domain by people in the employ of HMG.

Anywhere where people can gather and talk have been and still are being closed down by both government diktat and government taxation alongside fake charity and NGO involvement inculcating behavioural change.
Running alongside it has been the demonising of women as mothers and the pure lie that women can do everything men can do and often better which leads to more and more women choosing work or career over children which further breaks up the nuclear family which was the bedrock unit of the cohesion add in the financial costs only ever increase so two wages are required where one used to be sufficient.

Truth be told men and women are a team together. The two working together for the benefit of both. A cohesive family automatically leads to cohesive circle of friends and acquaintances which becomes a cohesive community in and of itself which is flexible responsible and resistive to change being imposed on it externally.

Well I have the notion that it is precisely this cohesion that stood in the way of whatever the people in the triumvirate of locations want to bring about, fulfill, achieve or wotnot. Once they decided that all decisions and instructions handed out through the network sought to utterly destroy it. And it feels as though they have all but achieved it.
The zombies clutching their in hand computer always connected to "the world wide web" aka "the convenience" stand sit walk drive ride as testament to it.
That singular device has fundamentally changed humanity into a slave society far quicker and far, far more effectively than any other invention including the written word.

Now here is where it likely gets too wacky for a lot of people.
The triumvirate of locations are where they are for a reason to which I am not privy. There is something about their placement that mattered to the originators that presumably still matters today. It could be anything or nothing but my guess specifically for here on the island of Britain is its the people of Britain.
Not the fake labels overlaid on the people by the use of historical fabrication but people of Britain. This island has a breadth of resource that no other land of the same size can even come close to. My notion is that this concentration or matrix, if you will, includes the people and it imbues in them a sense of innovation and cohesion that is unique to them and this island.

And of course it isn't always innovation that turns out for the better for the majority and not the minority, the invention of industry being an example that was demonstrably worse for most of the people involved at the time and subsequently for a good number of years and it could easily be argued still is today.
Its more the capability within the cohesion of people that matters.
But today there is very little cohesion here and innovation has been all but eradicated by societal change other than inventing more words on paper that can be used to ensure it doesn't see a resurgence.

The introduction and implementation of demographic change is another layer that pushes what was further away from the collective native population as it pushes the multicultural inclusive accomodation of all people of all religions of all demographics and any beliefs they and practices they engage in. In short the native population is today so cowed its surreal. The physical migrants just add bulk to the mix. They are just as cowed as the British.

Most migrants cling to the land of their birth one way or another. British migrants do the same thing wherever they go in the world. It must be something innate in humans that the country one grows up in, rather than the one they are born in has a hold on the human that is felt and as a feeling is inexplicable. Perhaps its the silver thread that some esoteric writers write about.
Whatever it seems quite clear a majority of migrants have little to no attachment to the country they migrate into. Children of those migrants tend to see things differently. Again going by personal experience.

So all that said the only handle I can get on "why now" is the device that enables it was invented and people almost to a man seek the convenience it offers over all else.

Its probable that the orchestrated controllers are real and working to some goal, agenda or code known only to them and they have the means to enable it through a network of people they directly control or equally possible they may know how to put their thoughts into the minds of other humans in such a manner the recipient mind cannot identify the source so assumes its intrinsic to it.

I would love to read what the experience is from someone living in the far east in regards migration and its impact on their country as this forum is for the most part full of "westerners" of one form or another.

 

[AntiSoof]

Perhaps the biggest impact, possibly a reason for the migration now is the subtle yet determined impact on the native population.

The British people I grew up around were overall a stoical lot. Not that I realised it at the time. Didn't suffer fools, yet elected fools. They called a spade a spade and if someone didn't like it tough titty. They had a grasp on right from wrong and everyday disputes were sorted without resorting to "government people'.
Sure there were lots of things that were bemoaned, complained about that are just as complained about today but there was an overwhelming cohesion in society at large, at least in this town, that most were good people moving in the right direction.

Migrants were few and far between. Most were actually migrating from somewhere else in Britain. In fact I struggle to recall anyone migrating to this town unless you count some of the Irish chaps who worked in the shipyard. Piss taking about anything and everything was everywhere. Very, very few took offence. Most gave as good as they got. Even when it came to blood and blows what's done was done and that was that life goes on.
Point being it was the cohesion that seems to be a possible threat to whoever it is in the City of London running society.

Certainly long before the flow of migrants became the flood the cohesion of the people has been deliberately undermined by decisions being made outside of the public domain that are implemented within the public domain by people in the employ of HMG.

Anywhere where people can gather and talk have been and still are being closed down by both government diktat and government taxation alongside fake charity and NGO involvement inculcating behavioural change.
Running alongside it has been the demonising of women as mothers and the pure lie that women can do everything men can do and often better which leads to more and more women choosing work or career over children which further breaks up the nuclear family which was the bedrock unit of the cohesion add in the financial costs only ever increase so two wages are required where one used to be sufficient.

Truth be told men and women are a team together. The two working together for the benefit of both. A cohesive family automatically leads to cohesive circle of friends and acquaintances which becomes a cohesive community in and of itself which is flexible responsible and resistive to change being imposed on it externally.

Well I have the notion that it is precisely this cohesion that stood in the way of whatever the people in the triumvirate of locations want to bring about, fulfill, achieve or wotnot. Once they decided that all decisions and instructions handed out through the network sought to utterly destroy it. And it feels as though they have all but achieved it.
The zombies clutching their in hand computer always connected to "the world wide web" aka "the convenience" stand sit walk drive ride as testament to it.
That singular device has fundamentally changed humanity into a slave society far quicker and far, far more effectively than any other invention including the written word.

Now here is where it likely gets too wacky for a lot of people.
The triumvirate of locations are where they are for a reason to which I am not privy. There is something about their placement that mattered to the originators that presumably still matters today. It could be anything or nothing but my guess specifically for here on the island of Britain is its the people of Britain.
Not the fake labels overlaid on the people by the use of historical fabrication but people of Britain. This island has a breadth of resource that no other land of the same size can even come close to. My notion is that this concentration or matrix, if you will, includes the people and it imbues in them a sense of innovation and cohesion that is unique to them and this island.

And of course it isn't always innovation that turns out for the better for the majority and not the minority, the invention of industry being an example that was demonstrably worse for most of the people involved at the time and subsequently for a good number of years and it could easily be argued still is today.
Its more the capability within the cohesion of people that matters.
But today there is very little cohesion here and innovation has been all but eradicated by societal change other than inventing more words on paper that can be used to ensure it doesn't see a resurgence.

The introduction and implementation of demographic change is another layer that pushes what was further away from the collective native population as it pushes the multicultural inclusive accomodation of all people of all religions of all demographics and any beliefs they and practices they engage in. In short the native population is today so cowed its surreal. The physical migrants just add bulk to the mix. They are just as cowed as the British.

Most migrants cling to the land of their birth one way or another. British migrants do the same thing wherever they go in the world. It must be something innate in humans that the country one grows up in, rather than the one they are born in has a hold on the human that is felt and as a feeling is inexplicable. Perhaps its the silver thread that some esoteric writers write about.
Whatever it seems quite clear a majority of migrants have little to no attachment to the country they migrate into. Children of those migrants tend to see things differently. Again going by personal experience.

So all that said the only handle I can get on "why now" is the device that enables it was invented and people almost to a man seek the convenience it offers over all else.

Its probable that the orchestrated controllers are real and working to some goal, agenda or code known only to them and they have the means to enable it through a network of people they directly control or equally possible they may know how to put their thoughts into the minds of other humans in such a manner the recipient mind cannot identify the source so assumes its intrinsic to it.

I would love to read what the experience is from someone living in the far east in regards migration and its impact on their country as this forum is for the most part full of "westerners" of one form or another.

The English might be related to a Brutus from Pompeii, if the YouTube video I saw about that isn't mistaken. He supposedly arrived in Britain with a few others and massacred the giants, I learned from that YouTube video. That is perhaps why it is called Britain.

Perhaps that is why the City is located in London? Because that is simply where the centre of power lies, alongside the two other centres. (One of those centres in America used to be called 'Rome' too.)

All of this also seems to be based on ancient books like the Bible. But the ancient Greeks and Romans also appear to play a major role. Think of the mythology surrounding them.

Some believe that the Roman Empire still exists.

By the way, things aren't pleasant in the Netherlands either, and I recognise a lot in what you write about what is happening here.

Personally, I tend to view Rome as the director these days. With the White and the Grey Pope, plus the ultra-rich elite of the Florence days. Some say that they are reenacting the Book of Revelation from the Bible. Furthermore, I think it is not without reason that the elite do learn Greek and Latin in their schools. Much of politics seems to be connected to that. And science, philosophy, and art also originate from there. Think of the Louvre, for instance.

But once again; much is an illusion in the mind, I think; what matters is being a little happy. In short: food, drink, a roof over one's head, some companionship, and good health are already quite a lot.We must see the madness with the mind and thus realise that much is an illusion, and simply try not to let it bother us too much. Changing the system isn't going to be easy, after all.

 

[Tomkat]

Some believe that the Roman Empire still exists.

This comment made me think of this thread Imperial Rome: New York City
It's a great one if you haven't read it.

But once again; much is an illusion in the mind, I think; what matters is being a little happy. In short: food, drink, a roof over one's head, some companionship, and good health are already quite a lot

I agree with you AntiSoof. These are things that matter. Easier said than done of course, particularly when there are those who wish to deny us these most basic of things.

.We must see the madness with the mind and thus realise that much is an illusion, and simply try not to let it bother us too much. Changing the system isn't going to be easy, after all.

I feel your sentiment here and agree with it. I try not to abide sayings like "isn't going to be easy" because whose to say? It could happen in the blink of an eye through no concerted effort by people. Also, it's just where I'm at these days, but 'changing the system ' is one of those phrases that betrays that we live in their world; what system exactly? The intent of everything that they do is ultimately the same: destroy what is good.

And, they seem to enjoy it while they do it. And if you ask me that's fine, because I believe in the truth. And because of that I know that this utterly ridiculous place called earth will not last. Stupid and evil and bad don't stick around.

 

[Tetromino]

Why now?

Surely the answer is something like: 'immigration causes atomisation and therefore even greater dependence on the governance system'. And ever greater control of people is the governance system's aim. What next, is probably technocratic governance, facilitated by smart meters, smart phones and ai. And so it goes on.

We're stronger together and nothing is stronger than a bond by blood.

 

[Seiya]

Don't get carried away. It was a suggestion to help a forum that is slowly dying from a paucity of contributors and activity.
The veiled accusation within your comment is more revealing than anything else.

To get back to the op. That there is a concerted effort to alter the demographic of Britain is undeniable. How long its been going is just beyond my lifetime so no personal recollection of its beginning but that said talking with my elders it seems it began in the fifties.
The difference to today is the scale and speed have been ramped up.

HMG is the front organisation that facilitates it. Legal migration far and away outnumbers the so called "illegal migration' with the latter being used as propaganda cover for the former.
These migrants once they get the 'right status paper' from HMG then go ahead and import their 'family' apractice encouraged and facilitated by that same HMG. This can be a nuclear family of parents and their kids or it can be their 'wider multi generational family'. Once here they go on benefits.
Thats the current mechanisim. HMG is the facilitating organisation.
But.

Without a doubt, immigration in Great Britain is a huge problem, and it's getting worse every day.
And this

This part of the immigration law, "family reunion," is just insane.
Actually, it is not just family; it includes the word "dependent" as well.
You can have a visa if:

Your family members has visa,
Your family members has had visa,
Your family member currently married to or has previously held a valid visa
Your family member is related to someone who previously had a visa but no longer lives in the UK.
Your family members died but had visa

And have this in the end.:
"If you cannot afford the fee, you may be eligible for a fee waiver in certain situations – for example, if you cannot afford a place to live or your essential living costs."

Now tell me, who has the "power" to propose such legislation? Who has the "power" to buy or blackmail MPs? Who would benefit from this? The one and only "the chosen ones".

There has been something else going on in parrallel even more devastating and therefore more effective at destroying the society of the people of Britain and few make the what is too me obvious connection to migration.
The massive increase in the size of HMG, its reach into all aspects of life here, the over regulation, the volume of restrictions over my lifetime is plain to see. British people have been turned into self policing slaves and few notice.

Not something else, but many hundreds things else. This is the result of have "the chosen ones" seated in every single power positions of the country + the population are under mind control.
Guess who manipulates the population? English? Scottish? Welsh? Irish? Pakistani? Brazilian? Russian? Moroccan? African? Or "the chosen ones"? Do you know who developed the entire field of psychology, especially in its deepest and darkest corners?

I really understand the frustration. Now I think the question must be: "Why accept everything that is imposed? Why am I afraid of being called things I'm not? I Afraid that maybe could receive consequences?"

I know it's easy to say and hard to do. And don't think that someone can just go anywhere out of nowhere, alone, and demand and yell that they do the right thing, blah blah blah. If I'm there, I'd be the first to call security or the police to get you out, lol.

The reliance of the British born Briton on HMG is now so ingrained mothers are putting newborns into childcare funded by HMG ostensibly for them to "get back to work".

Well, this is just the end of the story, and the victim isn't really a victim. The white-born British Islands is a victim of both mother and father. HMG is just taking advantage of the result.

Women possess the most incredible capacity. Inside a woman, three things come together and life begins in this world, and through her, this life takes shape, and not a simple shape, but the most complex systems structure made of various unique materials that interconnect to form the life-material body.

How is it possible that every woman isn't proud of this? What could be more fantastic or more valuable than that? Then come "the chosen ones" promoting the deception called Feminism.

Here come "the chosen ones" promoting the deception called Feminism.
Because a woman's natural tendency is to act on feelings rather than reason, two things happen: she is manipulated and accepts corruption, making it easier for her to become corrupt herself.

That is why women are the most impactful tool used by "the choose ones". And the impact and damage in the last 10 years is enormous.

 

[Seiya]

To facilitate that reliance the commerce of Britain had to be and has been destroyed. For a long time machines have been replacing human endeavour but over my lifetime machines have been joined by computerisation, which leads to new processes which in turn remove more humans. Today its mobile hand held computers called phones and the digital software therein that is the final nail in the coffin of the life I knew in my youth as the new "applicatiin" processes replace the older computer machine processes.

No machine is or ever will replacing man. The machine is where man shouldn't have been in the first place. I like rice and I like milk so should I have a rice paddy and a cow? People should either be working manually all day on a huge farm or invent an object that does that hard work so they can use their time producing something more unique, personal, that adds real value.

The problem with technology is that the vast majority of people don't know how computers work and believe all the misleading propaganda that "the chosen ones" put out on Black Cube Black Mirror. Mobile phone never was a phone in the first place, always was a small computer using computer function cold send wave of computer code to a other computer place in a tower around that will convert to voice command or signal.

"smart"phone never will substitute a regular computer. Do you think any environment that uses a digital system to function run by a smartphone or even a laptop? no isn't possible, it's run in a computer, computer which from the beginning until today has had the same structure: motherboard, memory, storage disk, hard disk, processor, video card and other extras if need. Turn off any internet of your "phone" and see how many app work properly or work at all. Work for basic functions. Data is stored locally on the user's device and synchronized with the server when a connection becomes available. Such an app requires a more complex architecture, conflict resolution mechanisms, and more storage space on the device.

I do not understand why children or teenager are allow to have phones. Allow by parents, what on earth a 10 years have to say that need a permanent communication device or any of other the functions?

The physical infrastructure here is collapsing and has been for decades as in house work has been done away with and farmed out to contractors who have nothing invested in the place they are working and the standard of work falls through the floor and the humans pride and satisfactiion of a job well done is eroded.
British industry has been destroyed. British raw material usage has all but ended. British standards, the once exmplorary kitemark which guaranteed high qualty went decades ago when HMG, that organisation again note, went into bed with the moribund motherland currently named Europe Union.
Being British used to mean something weirdly tangible and intangible at the same time. Today it means nothing.

Maybe because "the british" was always a illusion, so much so that black or Chinese or "the chosen ones" can and many are British. Be british is a tittle that the UK Corporation sell, a paper with a strollman name that people believe are them.
What they cannot be English or Welsh or Scottish or Irish.
When I listen to a black say "I'm English", it is comic and ridiculous. It is the same if I say "I'm Japanese", is it comic and ridiculous, isn't? So so guess what, black say "I'm English" too, the difference is we had being manipulate using mind control and behind techniques by "the choose ones". Shape your mind until normalize

Who owned these factories and industries in the past? "the choose ones"
Does anyone believe that these factories and industries existed for the benefit of the people or the nation? Mental manipulation and pure, dry lies were used to make people believe, feel proud, be a good employee, and not cause problems.

Until they found an easier way to accumulate more money, and a large part of the population already accepts corruption. The British are intelligent and will be used in this new industry to make more money = power to "the chosen ones" in the Financial Sector. Now there is automation in factories; any underdeveloped people can do so, so it was put in the 3rd world. The services sector (mainly finance and retail) is the economy's key driver, accounting for over 80% of the U.K.'s economic activity

Convenience has replaced work. That is why so many foreign born people migrate here. They do not have to work to get hold of credits to pay for anything and there are too few jobs for the so called "working age population" to do and every remaining commercial endeavour is under attack by HMG in the form of taxes, rules, regulation, the pure insanity of the net zero carbon cost lie is prime example of this, so the number continues to shrink...and yet the migrants come.

Economie all Financial Sector is a lie, never work and never will. We live under Marital Law Cestui Que Vie Act 1666

Doubt? Check the government website

Cestui Que Vie Act 1666

Of all the problems mentioned, the least of the British problems is immigration, but it's the most visible. It's as if they were placed there by someone to divert attention. Now think, could you be being manipulated?

 

[AntiSoof]

No machine is or ever will replacing man. The machine is where man shouldn't have been in the first place. I like rice and I like milk so should I have a rice paddy and a cow? People should either be working manually all day on a huge farm or invent an object that does that hard work so they can use their time producing something more unique, personal, that adds real value.

The problem with technology is that the vast majority of people don't know how computers work and believe all the misleading propaganda that "the chosen ones" put out on Black Cube Black Mirror. Mobile phone never was a phone in the first place, always was a small computer using computer function cold send wave of computer code to a other computer place in a tower around that will convert to voice command or signal.

"smart"phone never will substitute a regular computer. Do you think any environment that uses a digital system to function run by a smartphone or even a laptop? no isn't possible, it's run in a computer, computer which from the beginning until today has had the same structure: motherboard, memory, storage disk, hard disk, processor, video card and other extras if need. Turn off any internet of your "phone" and see how many app work properly or work at all. Work for basic functions. Data is stored locally on the user's device and synchronized with the server when a connection becomes available. Such an app requires a more complex architecture, conflict resolution mechanisms, and more storage space on the device.

I do not understand why children or teenager are allow to have phones. Allow by parents, what on earth a 10 years have to say that need a permanent communication device or any of other the functions?


Maybe because "the british" was always a illusion, so much so that black or Chinese or "the chosen ones" can and many are British. Be british is a tittle that the UK Corporation sell, a paper with a strollman name that people believe are them.
What they cannot be English or Welsh or Scottish or Irish.
When I listen to a black say "I'm English", it is comic and ridiculous. It is the same if I say "I'm Japanese", is it comic and ridiculous, isn't? So so guess what, black say "I'm English" too, the difference is we had being manipulate using mind control and behind techniques by "the choose ones". Shape your mind until normalize

Who owned these factories and industries in the past? "the choose ones"
Does anyone believe that these factories and industries existed for the benefit of the people or the nation? Mental manipulation and pure, dry lies were used to make people believe, feel proud, be a good employee, and not cause problems.

Until they found an easier way to accumulate more money, and a large part of the population already accepts corruption. The British are intelligent and will be used in this new industry to make more money = power to "the chosen ones" in the Financial Sector. Now there is automation in factories; any underdeveloped people can do so, so it was put in the 3rd world. The services sector (mainly finance and retail) is the economy's key driver, accounting for over 80% of the U.K.'s economic activity


Economie all Financial Sector is a lie, never work and never will. We live under Marital Law Cestui Que Vie Act 1666

Doubt? Check the government website

Cestui Que Vie Act 1666

Of all the problems mentioned, the least of the British problems is immigration, but it's the most visible. It's as if they were placed there by someone to divert attention. Now think, could you be being manipulated?

When I read The Cestui que Vie Act 1666, I see nothing strange. It concerns a tenant of real estate who goes missing and the consequences when he reappears.

 

[Seiya]

When I read The Cestui que Vie Act 1666, I see nothing strange. It concerns a tenant of real estate who goes missing and the consequences when he reappears.

of course, the tenant call Brutus who goes missing in Pompeii and the consequence was call this land of Brutany

 

[Tomkat]

We're stronger together and nothing is stronger than a bond by blood.

We are stronger together. But I disagree blood is the strongest bond; we are beings of mind and spirit and flesh. Our strongest bond is when we commit to each other.

 

[Jd755]

"the choose ones".

Good god grow a pair and just call a spade a spade.

Of all the problems mentioned, the least of the British problems

Amazing. An assessment by a foreign born migrant who was able to migrate o this "troubled population" on this little island thanks to rules put in place by whatever group the chosen ones are. Makes one wondee why you stay after such a damning revelations were revealed.

As the thread is about migration to the west and its something you have done getting your insight on why you chose to do this is of value.

Have any answers to the multitude of problems?
A solution to the manipulation being prerpetrated by the chosen ones?
As for the group.
Here's a group of chosen ones who are so sure of what they are they wrote a musical ditty themselves and performed it themselves. Its a good song that took me back in an instant to a much younger me.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ksOYyvcbXY

 

[AntiSoof]

of course, the tenant call Brutus who goes missing in Pompeii and the consequence was call this land of Brutany

I don't understand you. You think people live under that 1666 Act? But I read in the Act that it has applied since 1666 to situations where the tenant of real estate goes missing, and how to properly resolve the resulting problem. And then you bring up a history? Of England from thousands of years ago? I mention this specifically because in the conspiracy world, this Act is often cited as very serious and unjust. But I do not see the injustice.

 

[Seiya]

Good god grow a pair and just call a spade a spade.

Lol Can you refute what I said with facts or evidence?

Amazing. An assessment by a foreign born migrant who was able to migrate o this "troubled population" on this little island thanks to rules put in place by whatever group the chosen ones are. Makes one wondee why you stay after such a damning revelations were revealed.

As the thread is about migration to the west and its something you have done getting your insight on why you chose to do this is of value.

Have any answers to the multitude of problems?
A solution to the manipulation being prerpetrated by the chosen ones?
As for the group.
Here's a group of chosen ones who are so sure of what they are they wrote a musical ditty themselves and performed it themselves. Its a good song that took me back in an instant to a much younger me.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ksOYyvcbXY

Here we go again. The thread is not about me.

Everything you wrote above is irrelevant because because it adds nothing to the discussion. Feelings don't change the truth. I presented facts and evidence, whether you like it or not. We're adults, aren't we?
Stop the distraction and dramas. Is a very old trick of "the choose one".

 

[Jd755]

Can you refute what I said with facts or evidence?

Changing your belief is not in my gift.
Cheerio.

 

[Seiya]

I don't understand you. You think people live under that 1666 Act? But I read in the Act that it has applied since 1666 to situations where the tenant of real estate goes missing, and how to properly resolve the resulting problem. And then you bring up a history? Of England from thousands of years ago? I mention this specifically because in the conspiracy world, this Act is often cited as very serious and unjust. But I do not see the injustice.

I'm sorry but you really don't. The first thing you should do is research what you want to discuss, give opinions on, or especially argue.
You don't understand what you're reading and think it's about renting and resolving issues. That's an imaginary world, a mind-control world. Is 2026 and believe "conspiracy world" is a thing?

This subject is extremely long and complex to explain here. I will only clarify a few things.

Maritime Law is the law of the sea and the banking systems and your strawman bond to you sense your birth, and bond with that is bond to life and death - Dead Entity - Live Beaning Coorporation, Commerce....

I will tell you what the world "tender ":

A tender is a boat for communication between ship and shore, and a ship that usually provides supplies to other ships as well. In the world of commerce as it stands, tender is something that is used as an official medium of payment. A medium is someone or something that serves as an intermediary between the living and the dead, and this makes sense when one understands that the purpose of commerce is to charge the dead so that they can be reborn.

Pender is the middle tool that acts as this form of communication. A tender also known as something which is used to propose a payment with and the words are used on government legal tender promissory notes erroneously referred to as money.

To propose something is to be in a positive position with the offer, hence pro for positive and pose being a synonymous word for position. If the offer is accepted, the positions of polarity have been reversed between propose are an accept her. The medium of exchange has thus been diminished of its own capacity through the energy used in this interaction, which is why all legal tender promissory notes lose their value with each use, just like a battery that loses its charge with each cycle of its protons and electrons through the neutron. This process has been called inflation,

The same apply to Americans. American admiralty and maritime law originally developed from British admiralty courts present in American colonies which operated separate from courts of law and equity.

That's no my believe or conspiracy. That's a fact with evidence. It is in the American Constitution U.S. Const., art. III, § 2

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-3/section-2/

Through the Judiciary Act of 1789, the U.S. Congress placed admiralty and maritime law under the jurisdiction of the federal district courts.

Landmark Legislation: Judiciary Act of 1789 | Federal Judicial Center