SH Archive Inconvenient questions about the war; Just a few queries the world should answer before we do it all once more

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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-05-21 20:38:23
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I notice that several years prior to another war beginning, the main stream Hollywood type folks come out with war films that young kids watch - you know, the young kids that will be asked to give their "life for their country" in a few years, when the next (planned) war starts. But what's interesting is the latest Star Wars, and Planetary Wars movies coming out - perhaps they have something planned for us?
 
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Username: trismegistus
Date: 2019-05-21 22:00:04
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I think it is no coincidence that the current "young adult" dystopian future movies (Hunger Games et al), Marvel superhero movies, Star Wars and the like are all promoted for this very reason.

I think the major thread that runs through all these Hollywood movies is: Something Is Coming, but trust your government/military/Chosen Exalted Ones to handle the situation correctly. Just sit back and do what they say because without them you'd be a lot worse off. It's okay that the heroes are just as likely to level the city that you live in as the bad guys, because in the long run it will be to save the world. After all, if you really were important you would have already been selected for your special powers or abilities.

I haven't seen it, but the climax of Avengers Infinity Wars involves the titular bad guy, Thanos, using his powers to erase half the population of the universe. After the release of that movie, there was a disturbing sentiment among fans of the series that supported the decision to do so (unless the sentiment never existed and the meme was created by TPTB themselves, of course). Sadly, these people must have absolutely no meaningful connections to anyone to think that seeing your friends or family eliminated in an instant would be completely justified. Are these people so delusional to think "their half" of the population would survive such a thing? If everyone you knew was suddenly destroyed by a despot, would you be satisfied in knowing that despot has created an abundance of food for you and the survivors? Is that a world worth living in?

If TPTB have already started infiltrating the minds of the plebs with ideas that the planet is "too crowded" and "human-caused climate change" will kill us all, then they have set up the perfect trap for a way easier culling than having to start a world war. These people will simply stop reproducing and will promote the culling of the population to "save the earth." Only problem with that plan is that the Military Industrial Complex won't be able to sell quite as many arms in a self-elected reduction plan :sneaky:


Back to WWII, I think it is entirely plausible and very likely that the Eastern front of WWII was a smoke screen for mass population reduction, specifically anyone who may have familial ties to the Old World (Tartaria/Grand Unified Culture/etc). That is also why I believe the terms WWI and WWII are a McGuffin for a 30-40 year period of massive population reduction masquerading as a battle of good vs. evil. If you eliminate the healthy, strong, and intelligent men from the society you have very little left over to fight a revolution against those that seek control and power. And just to put the nail in the coffin, get their kids hooked on experimental laboratory drugs and Hegelian Dialectic "peaceful protests" to ensure the project experienced no blowback in the ensuing years.

I just finished listening to Dan Carlin's 6 part series on WWI (regardless of your opinion on these wars being "true wars" its a fascinating listen), and one of the biggest take-aways I got from it was the impression that a lot of the boots on the ground may have figured out their fate, albeit too late. Someone who was sold the lie in their home country and ended up on the fields of Verdun or the Spring Offensive was hit with a heavy reality. That this was not the great fight against evil they were sold: it was a true meat grinder. If you disobeyed, you were killed by a superior officer. If you didn't fight, you would die of illness trapped like a rat in a foxhole. If you fought, your death was for nothing as the fronts of WWI hardly moved over the course of years. Anyone unfortunate to make it out alive was plagued with "shellshock" for the rest of their lives, it seems almost an insurmountable task for any of them to properly reintegrate into society after surviving something like that.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-05-21 23:15:51
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Yes, and strange enough, we usually fall for it. I remember watching the WWII movies of the Battles at Sea, and it encouraged me to later join the Navy during the Vietnam war. Sadly, I did realize the folly of that choice. But indoctrination does not begin in boot camp, does it?
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-05-22 23:18:21
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There's also been a drastic shift in attitudes towards soldiers. During Vietnam, the soldiers were accosted at home with accusations of "Baby killer!" even though many had been drafted and had little choice but to go fight in a war they didn't believe in. Today, soldiers are given standing ovations at the airport and total strangers buy them dinner even though there is no longer a conscription and all the soldiers volunteer to go fight in these wars overseas.

The societal shift in attitudes is also noted in that there are popular talking heads insisting we have "mercy killing" vans that go around and euthanize old people who are just useless eaters wasting health care dollars and who are no longer a valuable cog in society's machinations. There are people complaining that just because that mass of cells has a detectable heartbeat, we should still have a right to snuff out that heartbeat for convenience sake. (Not arguing for or against abortion-just noting society's radical change in attitude toward killing others).

We need to ask a lot of inconvenient questions because it seems we're always gearing up for another war. I'd like to just once see people united in raising the valid question of "why should we plebians risk our lives because you elites can't get along?".

During the Regan era I saw something on TV-not really a commercial as nothing was being sold-no dialogue- but it had a deep impact on me which I've never forgotten. It was 2 old guys in suits on top of a mountain (one looked alarmingly like Reagan and the other closely resembled Gorbachev). They stood glaring at each other for several seconds then both attacked in a mano-e-mano battle with each other. It was vicious, no holds barred-just two old guys beating the crap out of each other. It ended with no determined winner but I think the point was made: you guys fight your own battles and leave the rest of us out of it. Only saw it aired once. I think it was pulled for obvious reasons.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-05-22 23:56:14
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I remember landing in California after having lived overseas for 4 years during Nam. We landed at Travis AFB, and as we deplaned, there was a group of civilians on the level above us. I thought maybe they were going to cheer us on - but they spit on our heads instead. It made me wonder why I bothered to return.
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I remember landing in California after having lived overseas for 4 years during Nam. We landed at Travis AFB, and as we deplaned, there was a group of civilians on the level above us. I thought maybe they were going to cheer us on - but they spit on our heads instead. It made me wonder why I bothered to return.
 
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Username: Obertryn
Date: 2019-05-23 00:17:33
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@trismegistus, I'm fairly sure "overpopulation" is a meme pushed by the TPTB, seeing as there is actually MORE food being produced nowadays than is required to feed Earth's entire population (makes you wonder why people in Africa are still supposedly starving) and there is a projected demographic decline worldwide. The problem is that teenagers and college students in their early 20's, who are the main targets of this propaganda, want to stand for something greater than themselves, so they fall for it hook, line and sinker. That being said, the notion seems to be fading away as the Overton window shifts from the left side further to the right. Now it's more about white/black/pick-a-color genocide.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-05-23 00:37:11
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I got dragged into one of those stupid conversations yesterday so I asked, "How white does one need to be to qualify for genocide? 50%? Obama was 50% white; does he qualify? I know card-carrying native americans who are pastier than am I, have blues eyes and blonde hair; do they qualify for extinction even though technically they're not white?" The surprising answer was, "You just have to look white."
Some people are just too stupid to talk to (and I told them that) or they're broken beyond fixing. I used to hope that maybe with the advent of the internet and social media people might gradually wake up to the brainwashing to which we're all daily subjected but they're not just asleep-they're comatose.
 
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Username: WorldWar1812
Date: 2019-05-24 20:09:33
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Aham.
Why they didn't send several divions to help spanish republicans in 1936, on the spanish civil war? In site to send a few NKVD (KGB) officers losing their time in Barcelona's worst whore's cabarets?
 
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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2019-05-24 20:18:04
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The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces.[7] The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic when few other nations would do so; thus it was the Republic's only important source of major weapons. Joseph Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact. However, unlike Hitler and Mussolini who openly violated the pact, Stalin tried to do so secretly.[8] He created a section X of the Soviet Union military to head the operation, coined Operation X. However, while a new branch of the military was created especially for Spain, most of the weapons and artillery sent to Spain were antiques. Stalin also used weapons captured in past conflicts.[9] However, modern weapons such as BT-5 tanks[10] and I-16 fighter aircraft were also supplied to Spain.

Many of the Soviet deliveries were lost, or were smaller than Stalin had ordered. He only gave short notice, which meant many weapons were lost in the delivery process.[8]Lastly, when the ships did leave with supplies for the Republicans, the journey was extremely slow. Stalin ordered the builders to include false decks in the design of ships. Then, once the ship left shore it was required to change its flag and change the color of parts of the ship to avoid capture by the Nationalists.[8] However, in 1938, Stalin withdrew his troops and tanks as Republican government policy floundered. Historian Hugh Thomas comments "had they been able to purchase and transport good arms from US, British, and French manufacturers, the socialist and republican members of the Spanish government might have tried to cut themselves loose from Stalin".[11]

The Republic had to pay for Soviet arms with the official gold reserves of the Bank of Spain, in an affair that would become a frequent subject of Francoist propaganda afterward (see Moscow Gold). The cost to the Republic of Soviet arms was more than US $500 million (in 1936 prices); the entire of Spain's gold reserve, the fourth-largest in the world. 176 tonnes was transferred through France.[12]

The Soviet Union also sent a number of military advisers to Spain (2,000[13]–3,000[14]).[15] While Soviet troops amounted to no more than 500 men at a time, Soviet volunteers often operated Soviet-made Republican tanks and aircraft, particularly at the beginning of the war.[16] In addition, the Soviet Union directed Communist parties around the world to organize and recruit the International Brigades. Another significant Soviet involvement was the pervasive activity of the NKVD all along the Republican rearguard. Communist figures like Vittorio Vidali ("Comandante Contreras"), Iosif Grigulevich and, above all, Alexander Orlov led those not-so-secret operations, that included murders like those of Andreu Nin and José Robles.
 
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Username: codis
Date: 2019-08-27 06:05:21
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Excluding people which obviously do not have the mental facilities (which is not their fault), I came to a different conclusion.
Many people willfully and consciously close their eyes. They just do not want to see an inconvenient truth, and never review their petty worldview.
I even met people that told me straight to the face.
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2019-08-28 23:12:38
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WW2 is still a mystery for all of us to unravel; the mainstream books are barely useful.

Everyone should thank the Russians for their supreme contribution back in 1941-45. They took the damn brunt.
As for seriously high USSR losses during the war, 40M I read, there is no mainstream "bombs and bullets" explanation worth a shit pfennig.
That type of carnage would take weapons of mass destruction. New ones.

But Hitler would have grimaced at using old-school gas or biological weapons against military targets, though he did freely use it against his own people in the lousy concentration camps. He was blinded by gas in WW1, and knew the weapons as mostly fruitless. Cruel, too. They killed as many Germans as they did allies. The Spanish Flu was probably an IG Farben deal. It did not start in Spain.
There's a rumor that the Swedish Embassy in Oslo was the go-between for Hitler and Stalin. Both wanted no part in those two weapons, too indiscriminate. And both said so in a supposed document. Pathological madmen, yes, idiots, no.

However...

Author/researcher Joseph P. Farrell has spoken publicly and in his books that the Germans, especially the well-equipped SS units, may have had thermobaric air/fuel bomb rockets on the eastern front. Huge firepower against masses of opposing manpower. It makes good sense.
I have researched much on the SS over the years and have read between the lines of lies and text.

Polish researchers like Igor Witowski have pointed out that crude thorium-based nuclear weapons may have also been used on the Russians. If so, allied intelligence services like the OSS, G2, and MI-6 would have hushed this up toute suite. Hoo-boy!
Delivered by truck or tracked vehicle using Jewish prisoners and a "false flag," it was then detonated by radio signal. Crude but effective. Cheap. Horrifying. Perhaps a disguised Russian tank was used. Even a horse-drawn wagon would have worked. No lead shielding needed with prisoners, sadly. The bomb would be relatively light in weight.

It's my supposition that the Germans may have created multitudinous smaller bombs and delivered them across a wide front, ensuring mass casualties and slow-killing radiation burns. One mass attack perhaps. Maybe two. Yikes.

To deliver them by air was impossible at the time. The added lead shielding to protect the Luftwaffe units in charge would have rendered a 3-5 kiloton bomb at nearly 10 tons estimated. No German aircraft save for a precious, rare, lumbering JU-390 transport could attempt that feat. And it would have been shot down as fast as a cat with hot curry paste on its ass in a Soviet combat area. (Sorry cat lovers). Big slow target, and not a bomber.
The American B-29 Superfortress could b-a-r-e-l-y lift off the long, long runway at Tinian island with the A-bomb in 1945. And it was a powerful plane with 10,000 bhp.

This theory holds a lot of water for me, and for many reasons I can't state here due to complexity and brevity factors.
The Germans scoured everywhere for thorium and it's well documented they did so, especially in the desert theater. Most of the good quality thorium deposits are from Egypt to India. Found in bauxite and euxite deposits.

I'm currently writing an historical novel about this very topic now. Rommel was after oil, ports, ancient archeological sites, and thorium in Egypt, Iraq, and beyond. India would have been his final destination after he conquered the entire Middle East (or made them allies), and he would have hooked up with the Japanese there if the Japanese had defeated the Brits. To the north, the two axis forces would have shared in Tibet's hidden treasures––that was the plan. I won't go into the SS expeditions that went looking for lost genetic traces of mythical "Aryans," but I will say that the SS Ahnenerbe Society was nuts about the mysterious Tibetan Bon people and their quaint animistic traditions. Hmmm...Agartha, anyone?

This desert theater history has been strongly suppressed, not to mention the possible "nuke" part in Russia.
It took me years to connect the strangest of puzzle pieces, and some of them are just plain weird.
Thorium was also vital in classified German non-linear physics experiments––of which there were many! (See: Red Mercury plasma).

It is my firm belief that WW2 was yet another proxy war, a massive occult death ritual perhaps as it was seen in esoteric circles, but still a conflict between light and dark forces. The light won, but only by the scantest of margins. We are NOT told how much of a close run thing it really was. No way. If the Germans had dropped a bigger, more powerful thorium bomb on London or Moscow, the European war may have been lost in a single day.
They were much closer than we were told. All we hear is the stuff on Uranium 235 and heavy water experiments.

Funny thing: No Nazi official ever signed off on the armistice and surrender. General Alfred Jodl did, Wehrmacht Chief of Staff, Reims, May 7, 1945.

Why no Nazi party member signatures at all?
I'd like to hear YOUR answers and theories...

JWW


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Username: codis
Date: 2019-08-29 06:15:30
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The German experiments with thermobaric weapon are, AFAIK, well documented. They mostly used coal dust.
Which is kind of obvious, thinking about the role of that material in mining.
I don't know of any confirmed military use. Since it leaves no longterm traces, it is easy to deny.

I never heard much about Thorium-based nuclear weapon or their WWII military use, except from the somehow dubious J.P. Farell.

However, some other researchers reported the controlled test explosion of a 104 gramm Plutonium-based nuclear device on a military training ground near Ohrdruff/Thuringia in April 1945. Something what was later called "tactical nuclear weapon", not to be officially achieved before the mid-fifties.
About 600 casualties were reported, mostly prisoners, but some SS guards as well. Several dozen witnesses were interviewed later, but the communist regime in the Soviet occupied zone made it easy to cover up. The whole thing is still strenuously denied by officials.

BTW, another report regarding Ohrdruff dealed with a test of a solid-fuel rocket in April '45, hitting in Hammerfest within 1km of the designated target area.

Kammler had some real things to deal his and the lives of his companions for with the Allies.
 
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Username: JWW427
Date: 2019-08-29 14:26:15
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Agreed on Hans Kammler and the SS E4 division at the Skoda Works.
He was the second most important man in Germany in March 1945.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2019-08-29 23:01:08
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fast as a cat with hot curry paste on its ass Now that's a memorable phrase! J.P. Farrell - PhD. in the study of early Church Fathers. I thought Icke was boringly slow when he gave one of his speeches on youtube - I nearly killed myself in boredom before he finished what he was droning on about. And then I had a chance to read a few chapters of a book by Farrell - wow, he really does milk a subject out even more than Icke does! Amazing!
 
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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-08-30 00:37:46
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This thread is on Russia but the other countries have a lot to answer for too. Start with Roosevelt and Churchill if you like. This is one of the topics I can barely stand because, until very recently, I used to believe.
 
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Username: Cemen
Date: 2019-08-30 11:21:51
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I repeat, the article consists of fiction and manipulation, the author is clearly a fan of Rezun, Sozhenitsyn, Shalamov and the like (their lies on Russian resources have long been disassembled verbatim).
It could be sorted out by points, but I'm afraid it will take too much time.
If you are interested in certain aspects, I will try to answer them.
 
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Username: perplexed
Date: 2019-12-16 16:22:54
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One must always factor in the various occult rituals and ceremonies taking place during wars, and the significance of the timing and dates of events. The firebombing of Dresden was meant to destroy both the culture and energy of love and respect, as well as offering a true holocaust (burnt offering) to the possessed entity that hijacked our timeline and unity consciousness.
Check out Michelle Gibson's YT channel, or better yet her website piercingtheveilofillusion.com
Evert page has a video, I prefer to read as it's quicker.
 
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