SH Archive Is General Robert E. Lee dead in this 1865 photo?

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-06 03:36:58
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Just out of curiosity, how is it related to a possibility of some political figures of the 19th century possibly being made out of wax?

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-08-12 01:51:43
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When I try to go to page 1 to see what your post is referring to, it just comes up "Fatal Error". Anyone else having that problem?

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-12 03:46:16
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When I try to go to page 1 to see what your post is referring to, it just comes up "Fatal Error". Anyone else having that problem?

Works for me.

 

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Username: ion.brad
Date: 2018-08-14 07:16:14
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I have indeed watched Philipp Druzhinin videos... a couple of them today as he did a walking touru of another area of Moscow and chould the ankle level windows..

After reading the brilliant idea of Apollyon from this thread I am thinking at a combination of Charles Hoy Forth and Apollyon with or without soil liquefaction. Forth has compiled lot of unusual rains all over the Earth: why not some sand and/or dust rains also?

It depends which is cheaper for our infrared master: generating the required intensities for soil liquefaction in a designated area or generating the storm needed for covering in dust/sand the same area. Sometime liquefaction could be cheaper and sometime the storm could be cheaper from the energy consumption viewpoint. That does not excludes the cases where both are necessary, like in case of a town with many skyscrapers; we do not know how many towns are buried under sand/soil all around the Earth.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-19 18:35:27
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Ok, lets leave earthworks in the sub-forums where they belong, please. This thread is about possibly made up historical individuals.

 

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Username: Apollyon
Date: 2018-08-25 17:29:10
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Couple more stiffs



Ill add this guy because i don't have enough for its own post (Jules Brunet)

few mor

Ahh how has no one noticed this until now?? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.



A different angle. Not sure what to think about this. Still more questions than answers.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-25 18:39:17
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I do not entertain the possibility of them being dead any longer. Too much work when you have Madam Tussaud, and the British Crown for masterminds.

I think it’s a full scale operation to either fake the entire war, or to substitute the true meaning/causes of that war.

 

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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-08-31 21:41:24
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The last photo looks like they may have put that stand there to help him stand up straight and maintain a "dignified" pose better for even the minute or so it took to set the picture. Personally, I think many of the pictures looked weird, but the ones of Lee looked like he was very much alive, practically looking right at you. The girl standing in the white communion dress looks very alive. How do you know for sure she was dead?

I mostly wanted to make a statement on the Civil War and whether it existed as we were told. I do not think so what so ever. I agree that it seems to be a cover up for "other" ways to cause destruction. I spent hours this morning going through pictures of Richmond before, during, and after the day Richmond burned and things are most definitely off, but I can leave that for another post. I lived in Richmond for years. I went to college there, VCU, right in the city, although up the hill from downtown Richmond where it was burned, but know that city very well.

About why the "Civil" war seems contrived:

All of my ancestors, apparently going back to mid-1700's, were Southern on my mothers side. There is definitely "Cherokee" blood from our ancestors, as a great many southerners have. I think we lived harmoniously with the Indian tribes for generations, "european" and "native". The native blood line evidence is just too prominent otherwise. It could also be african american blood. Records were not really kept.

As someone else mentioned already, only about 1% of southerners had slaves. Who would these people be? Well, the wealthy elite. Certainly not the farmers, merchants, lawyers, doctors that were the majority of the people. I doubt regular folks had much to do with the gentry at all. Especially southerners who are more likely to be more concerned with their agriculture but obviously NOT plantation owners. I do not think they would be extremely invested, what so ever, in whether or not the weathiest, most elite owned slaves or not. I actually think they would be appalled by it. Most southerners were considered rather poor and were probably more concerned about keeping their land. I do find it weird that there really are not any first hand accounts of the people who lived in the cities at the time they were destroyed. Were they told to evacuate? Apparently Richmond was completely evacuated, all 33,000 people which included approximately 11,000 slaves). Ofcourse the newspapers were up and running and distributing 2 days after the downtown was destroyed DURING a supposed WAR. But now was convieintly under Union ownership (in 2 days) and printed what the union told them to. (I have this article).

Third, Living in Richmond, there is a large, nice neighborhood called Jackson Ward. It is known as a previous prominent black neighborhood (you can look it up on Wiki). When I went to college there in 1991 it was right next to the university, going down into the center of Richmond. It is a large neighborhood. They have a statue of Bojangles there. By 1991 it was already known as a previous historical black neighborhood, meaning blacks were already pushed out and literally living in the projects just on the outskirts, in 1991. They had plaques up telling all the white peole living there the whole great history, even thought they are now a mile down the road in the projects. Not sure when, why, or how that happened, but in what point in history, from the civil war to 1990 does it make sense that there would be a huge prominent black neighborhood, all early 1900's or so it appears, architecture, but not many black people living there anymore? White flight and then gentrification? Maybe. The thing is, this is ALL over the south. Major areas, look like 1900's or so architecture, all known as prominent black neighborhoods, in southern cities. But now regular housing and african americans are instead in the projects? What happened? With the racist narrative so strong these days (southerners were ALL racist apparently) it seems more like racisim was contrived and pushed on people, maybe starting in the 40's-50's. until now. Now it's practically at fighting state. Sorry, I currently live in Charlottesville, VA where they are pushing this narrative strong. Anything related to the Confederacy they want destroyed...interesting, huh?

Speaking of Charlottesville, they completely razed the entire black neighborhood in the 50's so they could build new downtown areas for the rich merchants?!? Everyone knows about this, there are pictures of it everywhere, but is no one asking how and why these prominent thriving black neighborhoods were started after the war, during so called segregation, but then destoyed and now the Charlottesville downtown black community predominately lives in the projects? Something went backwards there. And they are re-creating all sorts of racial tensions again (which I think they started manufacturing in the early part of the 20th cent to bring about what we had in the 60's (massive civil unrest) and what we have today (destroying remnants of the confederacy and racial tension...again).

And speaking of Charlottesville, how about good old Thomas Jefferson and his slave mistess and the children they bore together? First the "official" historians tried to deny it completely, but after DNA tests were taken (and yes, it had to come to that), thay had to fess up it was true. Now apparently they know ALL about it (I think all BS). Go read up on it on Wikipedia.

But last, all the pictures and narratives I pull up about the burning of Richmond do not add up. I can go into that later.

And the pictures: What if they are just hired people to pose, like the crises actors of today? As for Lee, he went to West Point just like the other generals, so he was just playing the part like any other career military officer. Sherman was part of the story of moving through the cities, destoying them one by one. Part of his job to make sure they came down. Somewhere along the way, 1900 or so the people came back and the story was in place.

I think all the major players, Generals ect. were all dead by 1900 so no one could reveal the real story.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-31 22:30:28
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As for Lee, he went to West Point just like the other generals, so he was just playing the part like any other career military officer.

This is what the official version states. Once we start questioning the official narrative, what part of it we choose to believe and what part to question? What is our way of knowing there was a person like this even enrolled in West Point?

For the person of Lee's historical importance he has all but 4 photographs? How is that possible? Sure we can find a plausible explanation, but it would not stand the common sense test.

 

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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-08-31 22:46:35
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This is what the official version states. Once we start questioning the official narrative, what part of it we choose to believe and what part to question? What is our way of knowing there was a person like this even enrolled in West Point?

For the person of Lee's historical importance he has all but 4 photographs? How is that possible? Sure we can find a plausible explanation, but it would not stand the common sense test.

These could be manufactured characters and stories, certainly. I do think society, history is blank before the supposed 1900's. No universities, elite families, or history we can grasp. But there were people....right? Very, very few, I admit, but someone would have staged the story? The whole narrative about Lincoln seems completely contrived to me. Thomas Jefferson and his university (which I live right next to) seem contrived. I know the story of the Civil War is made up. But I know nothing else. This could have all been staged in the 1900's before the reemergence of society. Whenever that was.

We have an actual photograph from after the Civil War of my relative posing in a chair with his missing leg and in uniform with his wife standing behind him. From the war, right? What war? There are lots of photos like that. We have an original......What do you think went on?

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-08-31 23:17:52
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Oh, there definitely was a war. It’s just do we have the correct understanding of what that war was fought over?

Majority in the US think that our invasion of Iraq was to rid the world of the Iraqi WMDs and to instill democracy.

I personally think the true motive and causes of the Civil War were substituted with the ones provided to us.

There is a little touch up on the issue here: Where were US flags prior to the Civil War?

 

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Username: sharonr
Date: 2018-08-31 23:46:23
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Saw that thread, thanks. Wasn't even sure which thread to post my civil war comments on. They are all related in some way, but not necessarily on exact topic. But I agree totally. Sort of my point (at some point during all I wrote) that I think they are definitely lying about the reasons. I've thought this and wrote about it quite a bit elsewhere, but I live in a very brainwashed town, ultra "liberal", so it is hard to discuss. I think they planted the seeds for racial tension and it is working quite well. Let the community destroy themselves. Wish I could go back and talk to my ancestors and find out what the hell was going on.

I'll leave here with a tintype of my two great great gandfathers Bascom and Dunlap (yes, both) from Levy Co. Florida, circa 1870. Apparently after this photo, the son of Bascom shot and killed Dunlop in a shootout, ending the friendship (ya think?).

 

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Username: PrincepAugus
Date: 2018-09-01 07:33:29
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Very nice history you've shared here @sharonr!

 

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Date: 2018-09-18 17:40:03
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@KorbenDallas

And that Matthew Brady guy also made the only available photograph of Matthew C. Perry, who genourously "liberated" Japan from it's isolation in 1853.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-09-18 17:59:09
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And that Matthew Brady guy also made the only available photograph of Matthew C. Perry, who genourously "liberated" Japan from it's isolation in 1853.

Wondering who even writes these articles for Wikipedia.

Matthew Perry (1794–1858) was a Commodore of the United States Navy who commanded ships in several wars, including the War of 1812 and the Mexican–American War (1846–48)

Wondering what ships he commanded in the War of 1812 when he was 18 years old.

 

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Username: Searching
Date: 2018-10-19 15:59:10
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Why do so many important figures, such as generals, have clothes that are too tight? Looks like clothes have been taken from wardrobe department and female dummies have been dressed in them. The sleeves are too big on many of them. In battle, seems like they would not want a bunch of extra material around their arms that could get caught on something.
The proportions are all off. Some look as though their shoulders and arms have been padded or stuffed. Those whose shoulders haven't been padded - the shoulders are way to small for their heads.
In the Lincoln photo - the president can't afford a coat that fits? Look at those hips! Shoulders way too narrow for a man that tall. The arms look too long. And would such a tall man wear such a tall hat? I think wardrobe knew this man was going to be an epic figure of the false history we were being fed and wanted to give him an accessory that would really set him apart from other presidents.
I won't even get into all of the obvious editing done on these pictures.

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2018-10-19 16:51:23
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Does he look like he has 6 fingers? The thumb would be up under his beard or, if it were parallel with his other fingers (rather than a natural splay) then, it wouldn't be as long as shown here. One finger above the beard length button, one below, one under the next button, and two under that. If that top digit is his thumb then it's half the width of his chest.

 

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Username: Searching
Date: 2018-10-19 16:53:45
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The guy in the first pic has a clip above his ear similar to the one Lincoln has in this picture:

Is it holding on a mask?

View attachment 10651 Does he look like he has 6 fingers? The thumb would be up under his beard or, if it were parallel with his other fingers (rather than a natural splay) then, it wouldn't be as long as shown here. One finger above the beard length button, one below, one under the next button, and two under that. If that top digit is his thumb then it's half the width of his chest.

Yeah. It's all so screwy. Looks like they had D-list movie money to make this "civil war".

 

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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2018-10-19 18:46:18
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LOL, everyone putting their right hand into the jacket.

They were like "Guys, don't forget to make it as obvious as possible to our group that all of this is a giant joke, we need to make sure they don't start to believe this absurdity is even remotely real 100 years from now"

 

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Date: 2018-10-21 06:22:13
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Why do so many important figures, such as generals, have clothes that are too tight? Looks like clothes have been taken from wardrobe department and female dummies have been dressed in them. The sleeves are too big on many of them. In battle, seems like they would not want a bunch of extra material around their arms that could get caught on something.
The proportions are all off. Some look as though their shoulders and arms have been padded or stuffed. Those whose shoulders haven't been padded - the shoulders are way to small for their heads.
In the Lincoln photo - the president can't afford a coat that fits? Look at those hips! Shoulders way too narrow for a man that tall. The arms look too long. And would such a tall man wear such a tall hat? I think wardrobe knew this man was going to be an epic figure of the false history we were being fed and wanted to give him an accessory that would really set him apart from other presidents.
I won't even get into all of the obvious editing done on these pictures.

Even the wealthiest and most prominent Americans dressed poorly compared to the British. This fact was noted and lamented upon in the famous 1920s etiquette-book by Emily Post.