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your forgot of the third explanation: interdimensional
all ufos are interdimensional, no exceptions
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The insights of Jacques Vallée makes reality so much more complicated, and more difficult to figure everything out
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I don’t know how to look into other dimensions. For me it’s unverifiable, just like the Big Bang. There are a lot of various hypotheses out there. I lean on the side of the ones I can relate to.
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until you find the work of john keel, he basically took what vallee started with and made a plausible model out of itThe insights of Jacques Vallée makes reality so much more complicated, and more difficult to figure everything out
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I have to say I love Vallée but I don't got much out of reading Keel. Probably because white he has interesting ideas, I missed the scientific approach from Vallée. I don't remember many groundbreaking ideas from him that were easily to verify. In contrast, Vallée mapped all available phenomena and tried to create a model that makes the most sense. What's the most important aspects of Keel for you?
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his idea that the paranormal is purely electromagnetic in nature and due to atoms being basically energy, it can solidify
Reading over this thread for the first time, I wanted to throw in an important distinction.
Just because the US govt has a false flag alien invasion in their back pocket, does not imply that UFOs are either manufactured whole cloth or 100% military technology.
As a matter of fact, even if it was 99.999999% miltech, that means that there is a small, but assured "realness" to the UFO phenomenon. I had a UFO sighting back in 2012 which set me off on the journey I am on today, but even I can admit that that sighting was more than likely miltech than interdimensional. That being said, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that UFO sightings involve experiences that transcend anything the military could or would do to the people caught in the wake of one.
I won't belabor people here with a synopsis of Jacque Vallee's work as it seems most here know who he is. Furthermore, I don't think I could do his research any justice trying to create a blurb around what he was trying to say - - just read his books. If you do or have read them, the experiences he collects make no sense to be coming from a military organization.
Modern media and Hollywood are just as culpable in shaping the population's impressions of UFOs as the military. If there ever is a Project Bluebeam, it will only be successful because of the public's perceptions of what aliens are through TV, film, and science fiction. I can see why there would be a concerted effort to create dogma around the UFO phenomenon - - it is much easier to convince people that it is all little gray men from Mars who either want to destroy humanity or teach us the secrets of the universe, as if we are so special to deserve that kind of attention.
What is much harder to explain is that these are entities that exist interdimensionally, and can manifest itself in any number of ways depending on who is observing them. And that they can range anywhere from a full blown UFO attack with burning laser lights, to a passive light in the sky, to the ghost of an ancestor, or even what you perceive to be a flesh and blood human being.
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Something wicked this way comes, not a false flag UFO invasion, but we are going to start having more and more weather related catastrophes, so far it's rampant wild fires hitting the west coast, hurricanes and flooding on the east coast. And of course that has the perfect cover of global warming and rising sea levels, which is really happening to some extent. We will be seeing earthquakes and volcanic action really amping up, which is already all over the planet, whatever shape it is.
For some reason I feel we have moved past their window of opportunity for a UFO invasion, it's almost expected now, so gotta change it up.
I have one of those official government pamphlets that were so popular and ubiquitous in the 60's-70's that has a scientist telling a Congressional Committee "We've had control of the weather since the 50's". I always try to keep that in mind when I see these killer tornadoes, earthquakes or tsunamis of biblical proportions, etc. Apparently, it is even within TPTB ability to TURN tsunamis or tornadoes so it irks me greatly when I hear of all the loss of life due to those disasters.
Making people evacuate is also a nice way to conduct house to house searches without warrants.
Saw a meme that summed up my thoughts on aliens: The greatest proof of intelligent life on other planets is that they haven't tried to contact us.
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Hear, hear! Keel is a shitty writer, I have "Ultraterrestrials" and I'm not impressed with it. Vallée's book seems more interesting.
Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds by Jacques F. Vallée
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@whitewave, I know it's easy to be flippant and what have you, but I really feel something sinister is afoot, then I get paranoid only because I get paranoid about thinking I'm paranoid, because I know something isn't right! ARGH the being paranoid part is the ridiculous component. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't something(s) amiss.Oh yeah I wouldn't come near this messy place for nuthin'. I'm sure we aren't high on the most traveled planet's list. I think we would be like the last crappy old gas station on the outskirts of some desolate area. A place where you'd be very afraid to have to use the restroom.
Earth @IceNine, sorry if I was flippant. I used to watch the Ancient Alien shows just to see some of the amazing architecture and lesser known discoveries before this site came along. I think my husband hated watching it with me because I'd point out the logical fallacies in their conclusions throughout the entire show. I just can't believe that Earth is some vacation spot for E.T. joyriders who travel a gazillion miles through space to come make spirograph patterns in our grain fields.
As a Christian, I guess it's easier to avoid the paranoia because I believe God is in control (despite evidence to the contrary-
). From what I've read about Mars, WE may BE the Martians. It's possible that some of the cataclysms that are in our genetic memory and ancient documents may not all have occurred on this planet. One of the cataclysms may have brought our ancestors to this planet for all I know. We may be looking for evidence of global catastrophe in the wrong place.And, as with any global catastrophe, there are always survivors. Even the extinction level event that wiped out the dinosaurs left a few dinosaurs in the form of crocodiles and a few other reptiles/fish. Since we're still here, we're the evidence that there have always been survivors. It may be that, if we originated on another planet, the survivors of the home planet are here checking to see if the grass is greener on the other planet and leaving us encrypted messages.
I'm a long-time prepper but since there's not a blasted thing I can do in the event of an alien invasion (hostile or not), I try to focus on other things that are within my realm of control. If the sun burns out, oh well. I can't restart the sun. Heck, I can't even restart the electric in case of an EMP. Worrying about things that may or may not happen (alien invasion) just seems like an unnecessary ulcer to me.
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Oh gee whitewave, I didn't mean you I meant me being flippant about stuff. Especially when I sound like I need a tinfoil hat. Oh we still watch Ancient Aliens, at least we get to see interesting places, even if they get a bit over the top in explanations about things.
All of your above take on things pretty much mirror myself, even though I'm not religious. I've thought that before, maybe we are Martians and or we could be experiencing genetic memories, no matter where we are from. I just feel like we are being recycled sort of. We just keep reliving things and having do overs, heck I don't know.
We talk about being prepared, we figured we can make it a few months. I think we are in for an interesting time, atleast weather wise, or a good solar flare.
Encrypted messages in crops.
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In my opinion, flat earth and globe earth are merely material perceptions. 3D thinking is a gridlock, and surpassing it is damn near impossible, but so worth it.
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The spinning ball is bullshit, but alien civilizations could just be all around us...
That does not imply they are green or grey or whatever, they could be exactly like us.
In my opinion;
The odds of the earth being flat are precisely zero, and the odds that UFO's are inter~dimensional are precisely zero, or not correctly understood as hyperspatial and not inter~dimensional, because there is a significant and important distinction between the two. One is a field of hyper velocity which can be accessed to obtain hyper velocities for travel purposes, and while the other, interdimensional, implies that other worlds exist next door and that space craft travel between worlds, which is entirely different from speeding across space at several billion times the speed of light as is possible with hyperspatial travel.
I've posted this video before and if you have not taken the time to observe it then that may explain the continual insistence that the earth is flat or that ufo's are interdimensional. It is my opinion and the opinion of others whom are familiar with the new dielectric simplex theory that this is a real device and not something fraudulent.
Ok I laughed, and so then you laughed, but Globehead UFO's are just machines, and that's the point of the video, and the purpose of the flat earth hypothesis is help keep real knowledge from peoples thoughts. The flat earth is about hiding the crimes of the empire by turning truth on it's head. It's all about obscuring what creates gravity and then what these machines are being used for.
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You don't necessarily need evidence for earth being a flat plane. There is plenty, if you open your eyes (and mind) but it's not where I would start.
The entirety of NASA and indeed every other space agency's claims are all proveably false.
If you still believe that this "machine". https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5927.jpg
that appears to be made from curtain rods and black paper, traversed an infinite vaccuum, with a pressure differential that would crush our most advanced military submerines in an instant, then you may well have been deceived.
A few questions for you to ponder about the heliocentric beliefs you hold.
How can a pressurised system (earth's atmosphere, 14.7psi) exist in an infinite vaccum without the necessary antecedent of a container (or firmament)?
That breaks the second law of thermodynamics...
How can a rocket propel itself in a vacuum? Also breaks the second law of thermodynamics.
How can you not feel the acceleration of the earths orbit?
How is it that we can see 1200 miles with infrared photography, with no curvature in sight?
Sorry for the length of this reply. It's as brief as I can make it.
Well I'm glad you replied and I'm even happier I edited my original post. To clarify my position, let me state that I don't care whether the earth is flat or not, what I care about is figuring out how to get off of it to see what's is what, and ultimately that's what really matters.
There is no disagreement from me that what we have been told isn't right. Nobody is going to agree with you more than I will about that. If you can explain the physics of a flat earth so that they also can explain how a UFO might work, and without resorting to magic like Einsteinian Physics requires, then I will be much more inclined to give the flat earth hypothesis more credence.
Now about these questions you've asked; I am not really the person who should answer the questions you've raised. If I were to be a prosecutor or a lawyer I wouldn't be seeking someone like myself out to answer the questions you've raised, that would be stupid, but then again would I seek out a person like your own self to answer them? That doesn't mean we shouldn't be asking questions. It just means the level of competency may not be able to adequately provide a satisfactory explanation because of our own limitations.
What we need to remember are the guiding principles of an investigator; just because we can't get a satisfactory explanation for one question, that failure doesn't necessarily invalidate an entire hypothesis, and nor does the failure to answer one or more questions automatically validate another secondary hypothesis, and we may not even be asking the right questions.
The bottom line here is that the questions you're asking are not the right questions. They are questions which have been provided to you by others, much like Einsteinian Physics was once provided as a pat answer to such questions, and which today the even more ludicrous quantum theory is seeking to augment. These and the questions you've raised are all designed to guide you in to a kill box.
The earth is neither a vacuum bottle nor a pressurized cylinder. It loses it's atmosphere at a relatively steady rate. The atmosphere itself is magnetic and magnetically conductive, which is what the surrounding space is also made from, and which comprises a magnetically conductive/reactive field. Let me define that a field is an all pervasive substance, meaning it is everywhere, in every place, and at all times.
Until you can look at the questions you've raised and answer them for yourself, and without resorting to magical imaginary things like glass domes and other complete horse shit, such as bendable "Space+Time" like some other jackass, it will be a waste of energy and time on my part to carry this any further.
If you seriously want to understand you're going to have to read Ken Wheeler's book which is a field theory of how Universe Works. It's been called the Dielectric Simplex Theory. Others here on SH have read this and know what I'm talking about when I say you need to read this. You can download and read it for free.
Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism : Ken L Wheeler : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
I can not tell you how much time I wasted trying to make sense of Einsteinian Physics in order to understand how a flying saucer could levitate. I finally came across Harold E. Puthoff's papers only to discover that what's required to "Bend Spacetime" (which would be necessary to make a UFO work according to Einsteinian physics) requires energy on a planetary scale. Later Puthoff told Steven Greer that wasn't how it worked (that antigravity didn't work according to the physics of Einstein), but that if he told him or others how it worked, then he and his entire family would be killed. OK, so there you have it. Einsteinian physics is a contrived counter intelligence program designed to keep secret the working which enable UFO's, and hence travel among the Star's.
Well ya know by the time that happened I was already about 99.9% sure that Einsteinian Physics was not right and that revelation of Harold's about needing energy on a planetary level really cinched it for sure, and yet there they were, the UFO' and I know they are real because I've seen them myself and when I say I've seen them I mean like you see a car driving by on the highway. So ya know I was pretty frustrated.
The thing here is that if you read Ken's book then maybe you will be able to put together a hypothesis of how a flat earth would work and maybe that would make more sense. I don't know but I do know right now you are a supporter of that hypothesis. If it is right, as you and other maintain, then there is no way that Ken's field theory should not be able to be applied to understanding how a flat planet would work to create weight in mass, which is what we know as gravity, and do so in a workable manner.
Having said that, Wheeler himself, like myself, deny it's possible but maybe we don't yet see something. I'm not going to say something is impossible when I do not have proof of that, but I can say it's unlikely based on what I understand and everything else ken Wheeler has put together is spot on. So while everyone else is either denying Alexey's flying junk pile (seen in the video) is a fraud or else seeing imaginary fishing lines, the oldest shill claim there is, it's Wheeler's dielectric simplex theory which actually explains what's taking place, not only with the Alexey device but with UFO's. Basically people are seeing that previously posted video and responding exactly like they were looking at a UFO and that says something.
