It's not a tumor, it's a dog?

[HollyHoly]

Okay this video from Trey the Explainer has so many WTF moments it I don't even know where to start

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A variety of dogs where bred among among the first people.
They were used for everything from wool to dinner to companionship and all the other things you associate with dog ownership. He goes on to say that these 'native breeds" were wiped out through disease upon European contact through exposure to European dogs,similarly to Native Americans dying of exposure to European diseases, They are called Pre Contact Dogs PCDs. It goes on using the usual Europeans kill everything they are exposed to narrative regarding the extinction of these dogs which amounts to almost the entire population of PCDs
A huge study involving dog mummies from PCds and world dog types from all over and american wolves and european wolves and american coyotes which concludes that PCDs had their origins in Eurasia from specificaly SiberiaZhokov dog He discuses the bewildering migrations of various dog types from Asia and Europe Dogs may have been domesticated more than once

Researchers led by Laurent Frantz, an evolutionary geneticist at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, sequenced this specimen’s entire nuclear genome—the first complete genome from an ancient dog to be published—and compared it to the nuclear DNA of 605 modern dogs from around the world. The team then created a family tree for the animals, which revealed a deep divide between European dogs (like the Newgrange canine and the golden retriever) and Asian dogs (like the shar pei and free-ranging village dogs from Tibet and Vietnam). “I was like, ‘Holy shit!’” says project leader Greger Larson, an evolutionary biologist at Oxford. “We never saw this split before because we didn’t have enough samples.”

Back to the original video besides the supposed almost (ok totally) incomprehensible supposed migration and seeding of North America of domestic dogs which are somehow from Eurasia and yet not related to any existing dog populations from Eurasia except the ones that are, there is this matter of THE TUMOR which is not a tumor but a clone of a PCD dog which implants itself through sexual contact CTVT.
All the CVTV in dogs is in fact a clone of one dog from 6000 years ago which now reproduces itself through contact with another dog ,a mere swab of one of these clone tumors is enough to infect a dog with this original dog. its not a tumor it's another dog

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1. so what are these migrations that somehow never produced huge devastating annihilating plagues ? Until 1492??
2. how come horses allegedly disappeared from the Americas at around this same time frame because plague? but were reintroduced 1492
3. This video lite my brain on fire about the migrations they are talking about all of which seem to originate in Siberia then somehow end up in places like the Amazon

There are so many holes in this whole narrative it just goes all over the place

another article about missing Native American dogs and the dog tumor Missing Native Dogs + CTVT

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Username: esgee1
Date: 2019-12-05 22:38:08
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That was a great video. Thanks for sharing it. Cheers!

There's certainly more to the history of dogs than what scientists have been able to extrapolate in modern times. If only we could time travel to know the exact story/evolution of dogs and association to human beings.

Reading about the tumor is gnarly! Here's a quote from the University of Cambridge (warning: graphic tumor photo if you click on the link):

How old is CTVT?

CTVT first emerged in a dog that lived about 11,000 years ago. All CTVT tumours carry the DNA belonging to this “founder dog”. By counting and analysing the mutations acquired by CTVT tumours around the world we can piece together how and when CTVT emerged and spread.

CTVT is thus the oldest cancer known in nature.

Fascinating!

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-06 18:54:23
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That was a great video. Thanks for sharing it. Cheers!

There's certainly more to the history of dogs than what scientists have been able to extrapolate in modern times. If only we could time travel to know the exact story/evolution of dogs and association to human beings.

Reading about the tumor is gnarly! Here's a quote from the University of Cambridge (warning: graphic tumor photo if you click on the link):


Fascinating!

this makes me wonder about soo many things like the original genetic dog that the tumor originated from is extinct long time now,yet all dog populations worldwide are infected and ...let this sink in, by one dog that lived 11000 years ago whose entire genus is now extinct except for this tumor
another article they even know what size breed and color and hair everything about this original dog Hiding in plain view

An examination of 23,782 SNP loci in CTVT and over 1100 modern dogs, wolves, and coyotes places the origin of the tumor at ~11,000 years before present with a second divergence of geographical strains of CTVT < 500 years ago. Principal component analysis suggests that the first dog with CTVT would be of ancient origin using modern classification schemes (6). Pairwise distance calculations place the Alaskan Malamute, a 4000 year old breed that originally came to America from Eastern Asia and Siberia, as the closest living relative of CTVT. In addition, the founder animal carried a mixture of “wolf-like and dog-like” alleles and was likely medium to large in size and had short, straight fur, a black or agouti coat, prick ears, and a pointy face. Fanciers will note that the morphologic description fits the modern Alaskan Malamute, but could also match that of any number of large spitz-type dogs.

Naturally occurring transmissible tumors are extremely rare. The only other known example is the Tasmanian devil facial tumor (DFTD), which was first identified in 1996 and has since spread rapidly throughout the population. Unlike the canine tumor, DFTD is highly virulent, metastasizes readily, and is ultimately fatal (7). Sequencing of DFTD revealed a 3–8-fold increase in somatic mutations compared to human tumors as opposed to the >100 fold increase in the canine tumor (8). This likely relates to the age of the tumor as DFTD has been acquiring mutations for ~20 years while CTVT has been evolving for >10,000 years. In contrast to CTVT, DFTD is driving its population toward extinction, which will lead eventually to its own demise (7). It is possible the canine tumor also started as an aggressive cancer that developed into a stable pathogen. A close comparison of the mutations found in each tumor type might reveal variants important for understanding the different behaviors of the two tumor types.

which still fails to explain how PCDs are Eurasian dogs but were not related to any known lineages of Eurasian dogs HUH??

 

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Username: msadcei1
Date: 2019-12-10 04:34:28
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Interesting that both humans and dogs from Europe carried potentially species ending diseases to indigenous canines and humans. Why would not European humans and canines not fall to diseases carried by their American counterparts?

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-10 07:34:28
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Interesting that both humans and dogs from Europe carried potentially species ending diseases to indigenous canines and humans. Why would not European humans and canines not fall to diseases carried by their American counterparts?

Bingo!! exactly we never hear it go the other way . Like we're supposed to believe these sequential waves of migrants came to Merican shores and just lived an idealic existence until infected colonists and their infected animals came along and screwed up paradise?? and these migrants came from Siberia, or "Eurasia"and supposedly domesticated horses and reindeer and yaks and Bactrian camels and dogs but they decided not to bring ANY of those animals just dogs and lived without any beasts of burden expect dogs until the colonial powers arrived . This story just gets more unbelievable by day . Oh and actually why does no one blame this horrid cancer for the demise of the indigenous dogs??? The old world dogs apparently have a partial immunity to it but it has infected every dog population worldwide. Right now the only other clonal cancer like this is among Tasmanian devils Devil tumor and its very virulent and fatal to those animals because their gene pool is so inbred. This is expected to be an extinction event for Tasmainian Devils. So the European dogs didnt have the genetic makeup of the Merican Eurasian Siberian tumor dog and it somewhat protected them. Lots of things about the mainstream academic position on this doesn't hold up.

 

[wild heretic]

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Username: wild heretic
Date: 2019-12-10 17:28:12
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Okay this video from Trey the Explainer has so many WTF moments it I don't even know where to start

A variety of dogs where bred among among the first people.
They were used for everything from wool to dinner to companionship and all the other things you associate with dog ownership. He goes on to say that these 'native breeds" were wiped out through disease upon European contact through exposure to European dogs,similarly to Native Americans dying of exposure to European diseases, They are called Pre Contact Dogs PCDs. It goes on using the usual Europeans kill everything they are exposed to narrative regarding the extinction of these dogs which amounts to almost the entire population of PCDs
A huge study involving dog mummies from PCds and world dog types from all over and american wolves and european wolves and american coyotes which concludes that PCDs had their origins in Eurasia from specificaly SiberiaZhokov dog He discuses the bewildering migrations of various dog types from Asia and Europe Dogs may have been domesticated more than once

Back to the original video besides the supposed almost (ok totally) incomprehensible supposed migration and seeding of North America of domestic dogs which are somehow from Eurasia and yet not related to any existing dog populations from Eurasia except the ones that are, there is this matter of THE TUMOR which is not a tumor but a clone of a PCD dog which implants itself through sexual contact CTVT.
All the CVTV in dogs is in fact a clone of one dog from 6000 years ago which now reproduces itself through contact with another dog ,a mere swab of one of these clone tumors is enough to infect a dog with this original dog. its not a tumor it's another dog

1. so what are these migrations that somehow never produced huge devastating annihilating plagues ? Until 1492??
2. how come horses allegedly disappeared from the Americas at around this same time frame because plague? but were reintroduced 1492
3. This video lite my brain on fire about the migrations they are talking about all of which seem to originate in Siberia then somehow end up in places like the Amazon

There are so many holes in this whole narrative it just goes all over the place

another article about missing Native American dogs and the dog tumor Missing Native Dogs + CTVT

What's the bets that it was the creation of the American continent from a major earth expansion after it split off from Asia around 1490 that wiped out all these people and animals.

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-10 18:27:20
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What's the bets that it was the creation of the American continent from a major earth expansion after it split off from Asia around 1490 that wiped out all these people and animals.

Thats an interesting theory 1492 is world reset time date alright like BC or AD but I dont think because of Columbus, because colonialists had been in the Americas long before that date

 

[wild heretic]

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Username: wild heretic
Date: 2019-12-10 19:21:23
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colonialists had been in the Americas long before that date

Yeah, when it was part of Asia.

Marco Polo and the "Romans" may have even been there.

 

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Username: antiquitech
Date: 2019-12-10 19:22:18
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A few tidbits, but sounds *very* tainted... The author lecturing us on how it is good to use "cultural relativism" to view "history" is beyond a red flag. Also the idea that "old germs from Europe" were special and the cause of wiping out "indigenous" American people & dogs is bogus.

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-10 20:00:35
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A few tidbits, but sounds *very* tainted... The author lecturing us on how it is good to use "cultural relativism" to view "history" is beyond a red flag. Also the idea that "old germs from Europe" were special and the cause of wiping out "indigenous" American people & dogs is bogus.

precisely

 

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-12-11 02:23:30
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Why didn't the Vikings germs wipe out the American population? They were here before Columbus, et al. For that matter, why didn't the Americans germs wipe out the Vikings?

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-12 19:20:30
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Why didn't the Vikings germs wipe out the American population? They were here before Columbus, et al. For that matter, why didn't the Americans germs wipe out the Vikings?

well thats pretty interesting ,because to my knowledge there were no Vikings here during the last 'colonial 'incursion< that of the somewhat simultaneous arrival of the British, French and Spanish Ummm

 

[feralimal]

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2019-12-12 19:48:43
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Pardon me, but I'm confused as to what the alternative theory is here. Is it that after 1492 there were germs introduced but that this was no accident (a sort of germ warfare), or is it that there had already been a sort of reset and the germ theory is just a cover up?

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2019-12-12 21:19:03
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Pardon me, but I'm confused as to what the alternative theory is here. Is it that after 1492 there were germs introduced but that this was no accident (a sort of germ warfare), or is it that there had already been done sort of reset and the germ theory is just a cover up?

It not so much a theory Feralimal as a series of questions . that this article got me thinking about so Im asking the forum to help me think it out. The original video gives conventional academic view of the disappearance of PCDs as being the result of European diseases. The glaring issue of the tumor is not considered a factor in conventional academia.I think that it actually appears that an American dog has infected the rest of the world population of dogs. The population that Tumor dog belonged to no longer exists.European dogs have some resistance to it and can sometimes completely rid themselves of it through immuno response .I posing the idea that Euro dogs are significantly divergent genetically so that CVTV is not always fatal to them but was for the PCDs that were closest to it. That makes the story the reverse of what mainstream is claiming.This whole narrative just brings up more and more questions like that for me.
okay so Im leaving this here some info regarding CVirus and dog dna being used to create vaccines so yes it winds up back at dog vector for cross species disease..... about minute 6:00

 

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Username: FlyChaos
Date: 2020-06-14 03:46:26
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okay so Im leaving this here some info regarding CVirus and dog dna being used to create vaccines so yes it winds up back at dog vector for cross species disease..... about minute 6:00

it was obv a good video......

 

[HollyHoly]

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Username: HollyHoly
Date: 2020-06-14 04:38:54
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it was obv a good video......View attachment 47435

I keep tryin 'FlyChoas but the chinese algorithms just wont let me drop that info

 

[JimDuyer]

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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-06-20 00:45:36
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If the natives of America came from Siberia or China, etc. (they did not), then why do they not have the early immunity that the Chinese were able to build up? Historically speaking, every single dreaded plague has found its origins in China or nearby.
And this relates to my new question - when are we going to start boycotting the crap that China produces?
Can't we simply throw on the floor any item that someone (yes that's you traitor Walmart and Dollar Store) is selling, and refuse to buy it? Even if this one escaped from a lab, haven't we learned enough from the thousands of years of epidemics?