Jerusalem and the Secret History of America

CatELyst · Sep 10, 2022

ProfessorHotStuff said:
The most persuasive theory I've read is that Moses was essentially from a different religion than the Jews of old, so he marched them around the desert until the elders died (and their actual traditions died with them) and then trained the survivors in his preferred religion, telling them that it was theirs. This could happen on any continent. This could also explain the strange sources of water he knew about - they would planted there by confederates of his plan as he led the people round and round.

PantaOz · Sep 11, 2022

As an Archaeologist and Historian of Art, I really have a problem when people set up a theory and they do everything to fit the "evidence" that suits them proving those theories, and ignoring anything that goes against it. At the end all our truth will be is "what we want to believe" that somehow plays in the hands of the creators of the Great Reset!

I am not saying that it's happening in the case of Jerusalem in the USA but we need more evidence and thorough investigation. I had a friend who wrote a book about the pyramids and all the theories about the stars, and the perfectly cut stones with a laser... and I was sucked in... believed him... until I went to Egypt to see the pyramids...

What I saw was completely different from the theory! Do these stones look like laser cut to to you?

Not at all! Some of them were so badly connected that had smaller rocks fitted in between to hold the big ones steadier.

So, my suggestion is to explore the differences, provide ll the evidence that matches and does not match your theory... and be honest in the research... When I compare the photo of the Mount of Olives I took, with yours... I have to say , I could get almost identical result if I wanted or needed if the old houses were not on the way of a good photo.

I would recommend to visit the place of your research... both places... and to feel the Jerusalem in Palestine... you will see what I mean. There is some unbelievable energy there... and that is keeping still all the faiths at the same spot...

nap4 · Dec 2, 2022

PantaOz said:
As an Archaeologist and Historian of Art, I really have a problem when people set up a theory and they do everything to fit the "evidence" that suits them proving those theories, and ignoring anything that goes against it. At the end all our truth will be is "what we want to believe" that somehow plays in the hands of the creators of the Great Reset!

I am not saying that it's happening in the case of Jerusalem in the USA but we need more evidence and thorough investigation. I had a friend who wrote a book about the pyramids and all the theories about the stars, and the perfectly cut stones with a laser... and I was sucked in... believed him... until I went to Egypt to see the pyramids...

Regardless of the location of Jerusalem or whether we are all playing into the hands of the controllers or not, this type of investigation certainly gives a good exercise to challenge our assumptions. Sure it could be wrong in many ways but it also could be right in others.

Who knows, maybe both you and your friend are right. Maybe the Egyptian pyramids are the fake ones and they gave us an insolvable problem. And then the Bosnian pyramids are the actual ones of historical importance, (Which they do seem to be since they are larger).

I like the Kantian idea that the senses don't lie, only our interpretations of them do. Because evidence doesn't hint, or suggest, or say anything. But we do. It's silent, but we always speak for it. Alternative history is about the struggle of challenging the claims to sufficient evidence. The Holy Lands are no exception. For all we know, it could be someone elses history entirely that we borrowed or patch-worked together.

JimDuyer · Dec 2, 2022

The Tartars changed, as people do. While in the East they were not skilled - when they moved into what is now modern Russian areas they picked up skills from the locals. There was a Tartar outpost in northern Europe - between Finland and Sweden, as well. Just as the Turks who now occupy Turkey were not that bright when in East Asia, but as they migrated and took over Anatolia with its long history of Greek influence and knowledge, they changed as well. Although their morals perhaps did not change that much.
Homer, the famous Greek poet, born circa 8th century BC, and the legendary author to whom the authorship of the Iliad and the Odyssey belongs informs us:

Far off, where deepest beneath the earth is an abyss;
and which elsewhere he and many other poets have called Tartarus.

For all the rivers flow together into this chasm
and flow out of it again;
and each becomes such,
as the earth through which it also flows.

TheImp · Dec 2, 2022

Gladius said:
It's not just a theory, it's the actual stance of Judaism on the matter.

The story of the 40 Years in the Desert contains many theological / mystical meanings in the Jewish literature, and it's if they themselves do not treat it as a real, earthly event, but as an allegory to the purification of the people's souls before entering a holy land.
Not one religious scholar of Judaism is trying to locate the place of their wandering nor defend the story against modern critics. When they themselves don't believe it, I don't see the point in trying to locate a physical location to the story.

The story might have evolved from a real time period (of perhaps 40 years or close) when Jews did not have a home and were refugees in one or more countries, until they moved to a new place that became their home.

But looking at the basic symbolism, I tend not to even think it is anything physical:
Later in the Bible, they spend 70 years in the Babylonian captivity, where they "forget" their religion, and must be retrained by Ezra to prepare them for worshipping God in the holy land (again). So it is a motive that repeats itself.
The desert in Judaism symbolizes not an actual desert, but a spiritual desert, where a person's soul is barren of any mystical value.
In the Babylonian captivity, we're talking about Babylon, called Bavel in Hebrew, which symbolizes Confusion or Mixing-Up. The Jews are in a place of confusion, not knowing who their God is.

Given current day and how easily people are confused in the span of a few years, 70 years does not seem incredible, especially if the controlling group sought to make people forget intentionally by way of diversion, intentionally bad leadership, and social scorn. I mean heck, look how big a difference there has been since the 1980s when religiosity abounded on a national scale in the US. Sure the media-backed leaders of that movement had very questionable ties, but the average believers of the era did not. And ever since that recent high point, we've seen nothing but a falling away from Christianity (so-called or true) in the general populace and outright demonization and mockery in pop culture. It had a small resurgence post-9/11, but nothing like the '80s. Add in the increasing number of time-wasting activities, the 24/7/365 bombardment of politics and general insanity, and look where we are.

So when religious beliefs are attacked from without and within on a daily basis, I can totally see people who had "faith by association" (which, let's be honest, is the majority of any religious group) losing their way, since they either didn't truly believe or were led far astray by those who they trusted to lead them. And this is easily observable over a 40 year span when a lot of information is readily at hand for people to read and communication with likeminded groups is more easily done.

TheImp · Dec 5, 2022

Also, Jon Levi released a video that is of interest to this discussion about two weeks ago:
View: https://youtu.be/20oSVHucAqQ

WhiteSwan · Feb 10, 2023

Thank you for posting. Have you identified where the Mt of Olives would be? Have you looked for a mountain split down the middle so as to form two mountains with a great valley in between? If we are in Rev 20 then this is the land mark we need to find as Jesus would have already split the mountain. I lean heavily away from that idea but I'm always looking.

The anomolous X2 mtdna has always been widespread as seen from ancient samples worldwide. Today its only found among populations that have been more genetically isolated since a time when it was more common. The Basque and Native American Clovis cultures are similar, both have higher frequencies of X2 along with Druze of the mid east and European Hutterites. I'm X2 with a family history of European and Native, and received 100% European from 23&me, while Genome Link gave me 20% Native. There are companies that specialize in Native testing because so many white Americans have family history including native and it doesn't show up on their results, which I posit is because these people are of essentially the same race. The Natives speak of this common origin as well. The Hopi prophecy tells that the red brother was told by the Great Spirit to stay and guard the land while the white brother was sent East to spread the light of the Great Spirit to the other families of the earth, then to work his way back to reunite with the red brother and prepare for "the pale one" (Jesus). Mind the obvious modern political spin put on the interpretations of the white Brother's return, wherein the Great Spirit is effectively silenced by the modern elders, which was also actually part of the prophecy.

Mormons historically have done some tinkering, like the Ghost Dance, wherein Mormon leaders worked with Native Chiefs to construct a fictitious variant of a blend of Christianity and native beliefs to gain support for an anti-settler movement that directly contradicted the teachings of the original native prophecies that hold real similarities to Christianity. Mormonism I think of as a gatekeeper/honeytrap for those who would discover whatever it is that we are onto here regarding the true history and peopleing of the Americas. Just take a look at all the buildings in America that the Mormons claim to have miraculously built with few tools, few men, and few years. They can be seen today putting cheap looking facad over beautifully heun masonry.

Welsh and Native languages hold more similarities to Hebrew than one might assume. Phonecean and Paleohebrew are even admittedly the same language, but mainstream academics write this off as borrowing between unrelated peoples, which would make sense if it weren't that there was a growing mountain of evidence against their narrative that offers a perfectly viable explanation which also points to a motive for a coverup.

Oh yeah, and just to brainstorm, you know how the proposed Mt Sinai in Saudi Arabia is guarded by military personnel? That got me wondering about area 51. What if that is being guarded in likewise manner because it is an important historical/spiritual location? Most of us already know that "disclosure" and anything alien based associated with the government is a psyop, so then what is really going on there? Maybe it has to do with this. Could be anything, but I'll do some digging, let me know if you have anything.

JimDuyer · Feb 10, 2023

WhiteSwan said:
Thank you for posting. Have you identified where the Mt of Olives would be? Have you looked for a mountain split down the middle so as to form two mountains with a great valley in between? If we are in Rev 20 then this is the land mark we need to find as Jesus would have already split the mountain. I lean heavily away from that idea but I'm always looking.

The anomolous X2 mtdna has always been widespread as seen from ancient samples worldwide. Today its only found among populations that have been more genetically isolated since a time when it was more common. The Basque and Native American Clovis cultures are similar, both have higher frequencies of X2 along with Druze of the mid east and European Hutterites. I'm X2 with a family history of European and Native, and received 100% European from 23&me, while Genome Link gave me 20% Native. There are companies that specialize in Native testing because so many white Americans have family history including native and it doesn't show up on their results, which I posit is because these people are of essentially the same race. The Natives speak of this common origin as well. The Hopi prophecy tells that the red brother was told by the Great Spirit to stay and guard the land while the white brother was sent East to spread the light of the Great Spirit to the other families of the earth, then to work his way back to reunite with the red brother and prepare for "the pale one" (Jesus). Mind the obvious modern political spin put on the interpretations of the white Brother's return, wherein the Great Spirit is effectively silenced by the modern elders, which was also actually part of the prophecy.

Mormons historically have done some tinkering, like the Ghost Dance, wherein Mormon leaders worked with Native Chiefs to construct a fictitious variant of a blend of Christianity and native beliefs to gain support for an anti-settler movement that directly contradicted the teachings of the original native prophecies that hold real similarities to Christianity. Mormonism I think of as a gatekeeper/honeytrap for those who would discover whatever it is that we are onto here regarding the true history and peopleing of the Americas. Just take a look at all the buildings in America that the Mormons claim to have miraculously built with few tools, few men, and few years. They can be seen today putting cheap looking facad over beautifully heun masonry.

Welsh and Native languages hold more similarities to Hebrew than one might assume. Phonecean and Paleohebrew are even admittedly the same language, but mainstream academics write this off as borrowing between unrelated peoples, which would make sense if it weren't that there was a growing mountain of evidence against their narrative that offers a perfectly viable explanation which also points to a motive for a coverup.

Oh yeah, and just to brainstorm, you know how the proposed Mt Sinai in Saudi Arabia is guarded by military personnel? That got me wondering about area 51. What if that is being guarded in likewise manner because it is an important historical/spiritual location? Most of us already know that "disclosure" and anything alien based associated with the government is a psyop, so then what is really going on there? Maybe it has to do with this. Could be anything, but I'll do some digging, let me know if you have anything.

I find that my research tends to track your comments above to a great extent. Although the split mountain part eludes me - I believe that I have pinned down the location "in the middle" that separates the man of lawlessness and continues the end times thread, but I have not seen that, or else passed over it with eyes wide shut.
I'm not sure of the spiritual location at Area 51 - I would think most of those are in the four corners area to the northeast of there, but I could be wrong.
X2 was also found in South America, among a tribe that had not met with modern humans until late in the 20th century. They were supposedly one of the last to enjoy our presence, although they do not seem to do that at all. Later this was wiped from all science sources and no longer available to searches, but I have copies of it. Even more interesting, some trace of it was also found in the Andaman Islands - and those are supposedly head hunters to this day, and off limits to outsiders for some reason beyond just the taste of human flesh.
Hope to chap more with you in the future. Jim

emperornorton · Feb 16, 2023

WhiteSwan said:
Thank you for posting. Have you identified where the Mt of Olives would be? Have you looked for a mountain split down the middle so as to form two mountains with a great valley in between? If we are in Rev 20 then this is the land mark we need to find as Jesus would have already split the mountain. I lean heavily away from that idea but I'm always looking.

You usually hear that the Mount of Olives is east of the city, a tradition that comes, I think, from a verse in Zechariah. On the other hand, the tomb of Absalom and a couple other holy things associated with Mons Oliveti are consistently sited west of the city. However, insofar as the "new" city was constructed east of the "old" city, it's possible that everyone's right except maybe Josephus, who is always wrong, and who claims the Mount of Olives is fourteen mule-years east of the temple or something dumb like that.

Anyway, the real significance of the place, it seems to me, was that it was the viewpoint summit in the area, like Twin Peaks in San Francisco or something. On that basis, which is consistent with the traditional Absalom and "Mount of Offense" sites, I would guess that the Mount of Olives is the part of "Table Mountain" that's in the McKenzie Table Mountain Preserve—not the part in the popular Table Mountain Gaming Rancheria just down the road, which latter location I'm going to say is actually the site of Golgotha, a conjecture made without any inductive foundation whatsoever, but you know that's how they operate.

The gap you refer to is actually right there too. I think it's called the "Boling Gap" nowadays and it fits the bill exactly.

Where I think the Mount of Olives is. The picture at upper left is looking toward the south-east through the gap. The Mount of Olives would be to the right of a spectator in this position (blue circle). Worst map ever, I know...

And here's some more pictures I took on the spot:

Above and below: in the gap

Above left: Is there some kind of terraced ziggurat apocalypse-surprise lurking under the topsoil here? Above right: Red rocks and patches of red dirt for miles.

I have video too (if anyone wants to see) but I don't know if I can upload it here or if I have to dump it somewhere else first and link to it...

greengrey · Feb 17, 2023

Gladius said:
It's not just a theory, it's the actual stance of Judaism on the matter.

The story of the 40 Years in the Desert contains many theological / mystical meanings in the Jewish literature, and it's if they themselves do not treat it as a real, earthly event, but as an allegory to the purification of the people's souls before entering a holy land.
Not one religious scholar of Judaism is trying to locate the place of their wandering nor defend the story against modern critics. When they themselves don't believe it, I don't see the point in trying to locate a physical location to the story.

The story might have evolved from a real time period (of perhaps 40 years or close) when Jews did not have a home and were refugees in one or more countries, until they moved to a new place that became their home.

But looking at the basic symbolism, I tend not to even think it is anything physical:
Later in the Bible, they spend 70 years in the Babylonian captivity, where they "forget" their religion, and must be retrained by Ezra to prepare them for worshipping God in the holy land (again). So it is a motive that repeats itself.
The desert in Judaism symbolizes not an actual desert, but a spiritual desert, where a person's soul is barren of any mystical value.
In the Babylonian captivity, we're talking about Babylon, called Bavel in Hebrew, which symbolizes Confusion or Mixing-Up. The Jews are in a place of confusion, not knowing who their God is.

Kadesh Barnea.
40 years in the desert, but with long stays in places:

14 months after leaving Egypt, they arrived to Kadesh Barnea, and stayed there for 19 years.

bamidbar- 33:3
shemot 12:37,13:20 ....

Gladius · Feb 17, 2023

greengrey said:
Kadesh Barnea.
40 years in the desert, but with long stays in places:

14 months after leaving Egypt, they arrived to Kadesh Barnea, and stayed there for 19 years.

bamidbar- 33:3
shemot 12:37,13:20 ....

Perhaps, however the appearance of so-called physical locations in the story do not necessarily make it a physical story. Kadesh Barnea and other 'stations' might as well be a symbolizstion of spiritual aspects. The orthodox Jews definitely treat it that way, and it might be so

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