Lunatic asylum and other strange structures of West Virginia

[Frostychud]

I recently took a trip to West Virginia. This state is a time capsule. I’ve traveled a lot in the United States, including to many of the forgotten places, but West Virginia is frozen in time to a degree I haven’t encountered anywhere else. Only Mississippi comes close.

I had a free day, so I went to Grafton to see the old abandoned train station and Weston to see the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.

Grafton is poor and depressing. Every city in West Virginia is full of meth demons skulking and staring with hollow eyes. It’s the most obese state in America and maybe the poorest as well. Grafton must once have been a happening spot, but it’s almost a ghost town today.

The railroad created the place, according to official history. Or maybe they just found the railroads here. Either way there was a handy plaque outside the abandoned train station and fancy hotel:

Exactly thirty-three trains a day, of course.

What struck me most about Grafton were all the old stone walls and staircases everywhere. I got the feeling in West Virginia that the pre-Reset past was right at the surface and would require very little digging to unearth. Check out the big stones under the bricks.

But Grafton was just an appetizer. Weston was the main dish.

To get there, I just hopped onto the following convenient highway cut and blasted through the mountains by doughty pioneers on horseback:

I wonder how they settled on that number?

I passed by some beautiful civic art on the way. Look, it says WV, kids! What a creative way to write it!

After arriving in Weston, I stopped at the conveniently located Gomart gas station to fill up:

Where have I seen that logo before?

I stopped for a delicious bag of Utz brand potato chips at the Mountaineer Mart:

Where have I seen that logo before?

As I was eating my potato chips I espied a disproportionately monumental building a few streets away. City Hall? The public library? The local high school mayhaps? I approached it to get a closer look.

...right. I think everyone is starting to get the picture. The Masons have West Virginia on lock, baby.

Why do they have such a big presence in Weston, population 3890?

It couldn’t be because of the giant stone castle located there, could it?

I have learned that the best approach to adopt when doing historical research is a kind of split mind. Half of my mind immediately buys into whatever hypothesis I am investigating while the other half remains strictly neutral. Regarding the dug-out cities hypothesis, I have enthusiastically read everything I can find documenting it. I am simultaneously convinced and skeptical…if that makes sense. That said, the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum is the closest thing to a smoking gun for the Mud Flood that I have ever seen with my own eyes.

Let’s start with the signs out front:

So let me get this straight. In 1858, when the population of Weston was between two and three hundred (according to the tour guide), the state decides to build the largest hand-cut stone building in North America…to house a few dozen lunatics?

According to the book West Virginia’s Dark Tourism, only the Kremlin tops it as far as hand-cut stone buildings go (!):

Please note as well that we have a big fat numerological wink in the construction date: March 22 or 322, the Skull and Bones code.

I mean, this place is huge. It really looks and feels like a European castle. I have never gotten such a strong Old World feeling in the United States.

The asylum was bought from the state by the Jordan family in 2007. They left it pretty much as is, thankfully, and make money by offering corny Haunted Tours led by guides in old-timey nurse costumes. Well, it’s better than tearing it down.

According to the tour guide, the stone was quarried and cut twenty-five miles away and carted by horse to the construction site. Is that realistic? Who knows? She also mentioned that the laborers were all prisoners sent over by the Governor. In other words, built (or dug out) using slave labor.

She described the building style as “rubble construction”. When I asked her if that meant the building was...reassembled from rubble, she said that it simply referred to the practice of putting imperfectly shaped stones together.

Years ago I stayed at a 17th century stone house in a remote mountainous area of the Lozere region of France. I was surprised when the host, a Swiss hippie, told me that when he and his father had bought the property thirty years earlier, the house was nothing but a pile of rubble. All they had to do was pick up the stones and stack them back up into walls over the building's remaining footprint. There was absolutely no way to tell that this house had ever been demolished and rebuilt. It looked exactly like all the other old houses around it. Two guys working occasionally on it for a few years was all it took.

I got excited when we went out back and saw this:

This is supposedly the oldest wing of the hospital, completed during the Civil War.

Why do they say it was completed during the Civil War? Simple, because the entire West Virginia statehood narrative is anchored to the place. West Virginia supposedly declared its independence from Virginia in 1863 to join the Union.

Here’s the laughable story:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wt...-gold-heist-in-what-is-now-west-virginia/amp/

Most Mountaineers have heard of how West Virginia became the 35th State to join the union, but there’s one crucial event that took place to help tip the scales that many don’t remember being taught in West Virginia History class. (...) The event in question is the seizure of gold from the Exchange Bank of Virginia in 1861.

To tell the story we need to go back a few years to 1850, where overcrowding and high demand led the Virginia legislature to approve the building of a new mental institution, which would later become the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.

"Overcrowding and high demand"

After touring several towns the Legislature picked Weston, then still in the state of Virginia. The towns’ people went all out to sway the legislations decision. They made sure their homes and businesses were freshly painted, repaired dilapidated streets and sidewalks, and even cleaned the streets of trash in preparation for the committee’s visit.

They even went as far as to meet the arriving committee with a brass parade. During the visit, the town folk made sure to show the committee all of the natural resources that would aid in construction including coal, stone, timber, and even water power from the local river. The efforts of the townspeople paid off and the committee chose Weston as the site for their new mental institution.

Of course.

Construction for the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum began in 1858. However, shortly after the Civil War broke out in 1861 the Virginia Legislature halted construction on the building and demanded that the remaining funds for the project, in the form of gold, be returned to Virginia to aid the state in its preparations for war. Governor of the Restored Government of Virginia, Francis H. Pierpont, feared this money would fund the confederacy and informed Union General George B. McClellan of the situation. General McClellan ordered the Seventh Ohio Infantry to march overnight to Weston to secure the funds, which were about $30,000 in gold.

At dawn on June 30, 1861, the federal troops arrived in the town. After securing a perimeter the Union troops made their way into the bank and secured the funds. The next day the troop escorted the gold north to Clarksburg and then placed it on a guarded train bound for Wheeling, where the funds helped finance the fledgling Restored Government of Virginia.

I mean…sure.

Continued in Part Two.

 

[Frostychud]

This is Part Two, please read my previous post before reading this.

We are given the following convenient painting of Civil War tents outside the completed first wing of the hospital:

See the hospital in the background?

So the fake Civil War story is used to prop up the fake construction story and vice-versa. This castle must have been the single most extraordinary piece of dug-out architecture in the region, so it was a natural choice to use it as the starting point for the fairy tale.

Going back to the outside photographs of the Civil War wing, we can see the tops of buried windows peeking out of the dirt.

The building is symmetrical. There is an identical wing on the other side of the main hall. You can’t freely walk around behind the other wing, but you can drive behind it. Here’s a photograph of it:

Now take another look at the identical wing on the other side:

Notice the difference?

The two wings are identical, except one is two stories and the other is one story!

The two rooves are the same height. It's the ground level that's different.

Notice as well that in the first photo, the masonry looks rougher below the line that corresponds to ground level in the second photo. Is that because the top story was reassembled and the bottom story original and dug out? Or maybe because being underground stains and erodes the stones?

Two possibilities:

1. The ground was lower on one side of the main hall, so they had to make one wing taller in order to keep the roof heights the same. Not really believable…I think it is more likely that in the case of uneven ground, they would just dig the foundation out to the same level before beginning construction.
2. They didn’t bother digging the whole building out. This seems hard to believe as well, considering how much work must have gone into reassembling the presumably dilapidated found structure, but it seems more likely. Did they dig this thing out in a hurry?

In other words, there is no good explanation for the discrepancy. It appears on the following drawing on the wall. When I pointed it out to a tour guide, she was surprised and told me she had never noticed that before. Zoom into the drawing and compare the left and right sides.

Left wing - one story:

Right wing - two stories:

Behind the building were a few newer outbuildings. They were on ground at least ten feet higher than the asylum. There was an artificial-looking depression between the two levels. I tried to photograph it, but you can’t really see how sharp the elevation difference is. It's much higher on the left. The asylum is on the right behind the crappy new wall. Either they built up the ground behind the asylum or they dug the asylum out. (Or both: they dug it out and piled the dirt up behind the building.)

I espied the following huge stone wall/foundation partially buried under a hilltop just beyond the newer outbuildings:

The photos don't give a good sense of how big this is. And is this a walled-off tunnel entrance?

I was really starting to get excited. Here was a literal half-buried ancient looking stone wall just peeking out of the ground. I asked the tour guide about it. She said it was “probably” the foundation of one of the (many) outbuildings that had been torn down over the years. But in that case, why were the stones buried under dirt? Shouldn’t they have demolished the buildings cleanly and completely?

There were photos inside the asylum of some of the old torn-down outbuildings:

When we walked past a staircase leading down to the padlocked basement level, I asked the tour guide if she had ever been down there. She informed me that any employee caught entering the basement for any reason was fired on the spot. Her tone told me this was a very serious rule that she found strange. However, she had been there as a child when her mother worked at the asylum, and she remembered…you guessed it…tunnels connecting the different buildings. Why? "To transport the patients more discreetly." Of course. Let me add that I have worked in psychiatric hospitals before. As a rule there is not even enough money for basic care, to say nothing of handcut stone towers and expensive tunnels which exist purely to vouchsafe the discretion of the lunatics. I mean, no one cares about psychotics. They don’t even care about themselves. I have seen firsthand how the state treats them. They are the single most disposable demographic in our societies. As everyone here has already pointed out, it is absolutely unbelievable that in 1858, at a time when supposedly there was no public infrastructure at all, when people were expected to fend for themselves in the most radical way, when simple survival was already an exploit in itself, that the state was building handcut Kremlin-class stone castles in the middle of nowhere to house and torture a few dozen lunatics.

The supposed architect of the building is Richard Snowden Andrews:

Richard Snowden Andrews - Wikipedia

The second-largest handcut stone building in the world was designed by a moonlighting artillery officer. Is that a mocking reference to the fact that this guy's entire job was probably demolishing other buildings like this with artillery? On his Wikipedia entry we read the following gruesome and to my mind, fictional-sounding story:

During the Civil War, Andrews organized the First Maryland Light Artillery. He was later promoted to major in charge of a battalion of artillery batteries. Andrews was first wounded during the Seven Days Battles in July 1862.[2]

In August of that year, the 31-year-old major was in charge of General Charles S. Winder's divisional artillery. On August 9, at the Battle of Cedar Mountain in Virginia, a Federal shell exploded close by, which nearly disemboweled Andrews when fragments struck his right side. Holding in his intestines with one hand and sliding from his horse, he fell to the ground and landed on his back. He lay there for hours before being sent to hospital. When surgeons examined him, they all insisted that the wound was fatal. In one account, the hospital surgeon insisted that there would be but one chance in a hundred of his survival. Reportedly Andrews answered, "Well, I am going to hold on to my one chance." The surgeon sewed him up with needle and thread and left him his one chance. Within eight months, and after being fitted with a silver plate over his wound, he returned to his unit. But luck left him again at the Second Battle of Winchester when he was wounded once more. Around this time, Snowden received the commission of colonel. After recovery from this third wound, he was assigned as an envoy to Germany.[3]

Andrews was sent to Germany near the end of the Civil War to negotiate with the Germans for arms. He, along with another Confederate envoy, had little luck with the German High Command in getting those arms and split up. Andrews stayed with the High Command. The story goes that when one evening at a dinner party Andrews showed the underlings of General von Moltke, Otto von Bismarck's chief military advisor, his wound, the advisors were so impressed that he had survived, they called in von Moltke (who was in the adjoining room). Von Moltke, in turn, was so impressed with the wound and Andrews's bravery, he immediately agreed to sell the Confederacy the armaments they wanted. Ironically, as Andrews was returning to catch a ship west, and before delivery was taken of the arms, the South surrendered at Appomattox (April 1865).

Sounds utterly fake. Do they really send guys with silver plates holding their guts in back into battle? In my research on New Orleans, I came across the spooky character of Judah P. Touro, a wealthy Jewish philanthropist and developer who was supposedly responsible for half of the antebellum buildings and institutions in New Orleans. He too miraculously survived a horrific battle wound thanks to the care of Rezin Davis Shepherd, yet another spooky character and part-time architect used to explain a big pre-Reset church in…Shepherdstown, West Virginia. The Davis name is all over both New Orleans and West Virginia (Davis & Elkins College, the town of Davis, etc.). Not to mention Jefferson Davis.

By the way, the mascot of Davis & Elkins College just down the road is…a Resetter in a top hat:

They call him a "senator".

I suspect that the “nursed back to health after a war wound” trope is some kind of Masonic scriptwriting cheat that they insert into their made-up stories to (1) create cheap drama and (2) signal to other initiates that the story is fake. It is my current suspicion that the Zodiac has its origins as a simple storytelling template. I mean, if a bunch of imaginationless hacks have to crank out backstory after backstory for their fake characters, they’re going to need a few simple formulae to follow. Maybe the "war wound" trope is the watermark of a specific scriptwriting crew.

Wikipedia also gives us an image of the architect’s father. Why does this guy get a Wikipedia entry?

There's the hidden hand.

That's all I have for now. I might dump some more photos later.

 

[Udjat]

It is one of the poorest states in the country and it also has the wonderful and very expensive Green Bank Telescope.
The Masons always leave a bread crumb trail, and believe it or not the historical society is in the Mason building in the town next to me. Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention the 86ft granite obelisk at Point Pleasant at the confluence of the Ohio and Kanawha rivers. It marked the "first battle of the Revolution". This place just gets weirder as you look into this state. Be well!

 

[Otherlane]

Very interesting. I have been to Harpers Ferry WV several times as it’s one of my favorite places in the US. I was always amazed not just by the stone buildings but how the stones in the mountains where the railroad still runs appears to have been quarried. I’d love to hear you or someone do a deep dive into WV splitting from VA in the Civil War. I think there is much more than the official story with that bit of history.

 

[Frostychud]

It is one of the poorest states in the country and it also has the wonderful and very expensive Green Bank Telescope.
The Masons always leave a bread crumb trail, and believe it or not the historical society is in the Mason building in the town next to me. Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention the 86ft granite obelisk at Point Pleasant at the confluence of the Ohio and Kanawha rivers. It marked the "first battle of the Revolution". This place just gets weirder as you look into this state. Be well!

I read the following description of the obelisk here:

Point Pleasant Battle Monument

This rough-hewn granite obelisk commemorates the daylong battle that occurred here on October 10, 1774. It also commemorates Livia Simpson-Poffenbarger's tireless efforts to have the nation recognize the importance of the engagement, which she considered the first battle of the American Revolution. Her persistence paid off when the U.S. Congress appropriated $10,000 for the monument in 1908. Armed with additional funds, the Ladies Monument Association contracted with Boston's Van-Amringe Granite Company, which had also erected monuments at Gettysburg, to furnish plans and specifications. For $16,000, including shipment and erection, the ladies ordered “a monument of Balfour granite, the statue thereon to be of Westerly granite. The shaft is an obelisk with a base twenty-four feet square, the height to be eighty-two feet. The statue is to be that of a colonial soldier of the primitive Virginia style, dressed in hunting shirt, coon skin cap, leather breeches and long rifle.” One hundred fifty-two granite stones were cut and numbered at the quarries of the Balfour Pink Granite Company, near Salisbury, North Carolina, and shipped to Point Pleasant by railroad. The cornerstone was laid on June 9, 1909, the capstone set on August 22, and the monument dedicated on October 10, the 135th anniversary of the battle. A number of human bones found during excavation for the monument's foundations were reinterred, and an arrowhead was placed in a sealed box set under the capstone.

An 8-foot granite soldier with a coonskin cap in his right hand and a long rifle in his left faces eastward in “at ease” position at the monument's base. The Smith Granite Company of Westerly, Rhode Island, provided the statue. Albert Russell and Sons of Newburyport, Massachusetts, cast the bronze plaques that detail the history of the battle and list the names of its participants. The monument, one of West Virginia's earliest and still one of its largest memorials, dominates the point where the Kanawha flows into the Ohio. Whether it commemorates the first battle of the American Revolution is another matter.

Also on the grounds are monuments to Chief Cornstalk, reinterred here in 1909, and “Mad Anne” Bailey (1742–1825), a popular pioneer heroine whose exploits have been so blown out of proportion over the years that it is hard to separate fact from myth. Near the Ohio riverbank a plaque identifies the site where French explorer Pierre-Joseph Céloron de Blainville buried a lead plate on August 18, 1749, claiming the Ohio, or Belle Rivière, for France. It was uncovered almost a hundred years later.

The numerology alone reveals this is probably all made up. The battle supposedly took place on October 10, an aces and eights day. The cornerstone was laid on June 9, 1909, 6/9/09, or 666, which is a hard one to sneak in there. "Chief Cornstalk" - CC or 33, C being the third letter. I guess the original scriptwriters got too imaginative with their "Mad Anne" Bailey character and have to play it down today. She died on 11/22, a 33 day we all know because of Kennedy. They made a movie about her, which is in my opinion a sure sign she never existed.

My favorite part is the hundred-year-old lead plates dug up in 1849 on yet another aces and eights day, August 18th or 8/18. Talk about a lazy fake. Here's a photo of it:

From Wikipedia:

The Battle of Point Pleasant forced Cornstalk to make peace in the Treaty of Camp Charlotte, ceding to Virginia the Shawnee claims to all lands south of the Ohio River (today's states of Kentucky and West Virginia). The Shawnee were also obligated in the Treaty of Camp Charlotte to return all white captives and stop attacking barges of immigrants traveling on the Ohio River.[7]

Colonel John Field, an ancestor of United States Presidents George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, was killed in the battle.[8]

So this battle, which either (1) never happened or (2) happened, but not the way we are told, is the cover story for the Reset in Kentucky and West Virginia. The Bushes are also a Reset family, which of course we could have guessed.

Very interesting. I have been to Harpers Ferry WV several times as it’s one of my favorite places in the US. I was always amazed not just by the stone buildings but how the stones in the mountains where the railroad still runs appears to have been quarried. I’d love to hear you or someone do a deep dive into WV splitting from VA in the Civil War. I think there is much more than the official story with that bit of history.

I wanted to go to Harpers Ferry but didn't have the time. @Otto_Didactic says that the Battle of Harpers Ferry was a cover for the destruction of an intact found manufacturing town. He is still getting his website organized, so I couldn't easily find the dedicated article, but anyone interested in this topic should visit its-all-fake.com. Otto Didactic, if you see this, perhaps you could provide a more specific link.

Also, there are way too many prominent 22nds of the month here. So far we've seen:

- The Grafton train station opened on August 22
- The Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum was begun on March 22 and finished on October 22
- Mad Anne Bailey died on November 22
- The capstone of the Point Pleasant obelisk was set on August 22

Considering that the two other ritual dates listed in the article concerning the obelisk are obvious code dates, 666 and 818, I find myself wondering what 22 might signal.

 

[Frostychud]

I have a few more images and reflections to add about the region and the asylum.

What struck me while driving around was how many stone blocks there were everywhere. Every little street in every little town was lined with them:

A lot of houses are built on top of stone foundations. The contrast between the cheap wood houses and the massive cut stone bases is often startling:

This funny shack is in Philippi, where we also have a covered bridge, an early Civil War skirmish, and...two mummies.

Zoom in on the incredible foundation under the porch of this random house in (I believe) Grafton:

I cannot imagine there was ever a time in history when massive stone masonry was cheaper than brick or wood or in any way affordable for private citizens. Remember, the settlers of West Virginia were supposedly pioneers with no money.

Unless those stones were just found sitting on the ground or scavenged from existing structures. Then they might be cheaper.

Here's another fine home:

These impoverished towns are completely built out with stone walls.

I drove past an unusual stone structure on the side of the road, apparently an old iron furnace. Notice how it's partially buried by the hill:

I have no idea if this is true or not. Did they cut the stones that they piled up into pyramidal furnaces, or find them?

Here's an image found online of the nearby Henry Clay furnace, which I didn't visit:

I found two different historical markers:

Read them both carefully. Do you see it?

One attributes the furnace to Leonard Lamb, while the other attributes it to Leonard Laws. GOTCHA, suckers. Catching errors like this always gets me jazzed. These people don't exist, they are simply code names invented with that spook-signal double first letter. The other furnace is attributed to John Johnson, also a double letter. These names appear to have the same function as the 11 and 22 dates we saw in the last post: signaling fakery.

So, what are these pyramids? Are they really iron furnaces, or something else? Were they found in this state, or were they just assembled with found stones? Anyone know?

Next let's connect the asylum with MKULTRA.

Displayed prominently on the wall is the following sign:

Along with the following photo:

Strong Illuminati Tranny vibes here.

I checked this spooky character out. Apparently in the 70's (after "her" stint at Weston) she wrote a book called "Sybil" popularizing Multiple Personality Disorder. Sybil was supposedly a nice Christian girl who had been abused by her mother and as a result developed sixteen different personalities. Her real name was Shirley Ardell Mason.

The book was made into a movie starring Sally Field, another piece of evidence the whole thing was scripted. Sally Field also starred in Not Without My Daughter, the transparent 80's propaganda piece selling Islamic radicalism.

Maybe it's too much of a stretch, but if you remember, we saw the Field name earlier in connection with West Virginia fakery:

Colonel John Field, an ancestor of United States Presidents George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, was killed in the battle.[8]

I tried to connect Sally Field with Colonel John Field but I am not so good at the genealogy stuff. She IS, however, descended in a direct line from Revolutionary War Fields, so my original guess may not be so far from the truth. Considering that the Revolutionary War story is probably fake, it suggests she may be continuing the con.

I also learned that John Field was the brother-in-law of William Clark of Lewis and Clark. So the Bushes are also connected with that big fake.

I found three different death dates online for Wilbur, suggesting trickery:

Born on 8/26/08. That's triple 8's.

That's a man, and those eyes are diabolical.

The last paragraph is creepy.

I can understand the possible confusion between April 9 and April 10, but where does September 20 come from?

The book sold millions of copies, put MPD on the map, and made Wilbur famous.

The problem with Wilbur's book is that the entire case was a hoax, according to this New York Post article:

‘Sybil’ is one big psych-out



“Sybil,” the shocking true story of a woman shattered into 16 distinct personalities that helped her to dig up repressed memories of monstrous childhood sexual abuse, sold nearly 7 million copies when it was published in 1973. A serialized version ran in newspapers around the nation as readers gasped at “scenes of Sybil’s demented mother defecating on lawns, conducting lesbian orgies and raping her daughter with kitchen utensils. This kind of sex and perversion had never before been published on the ‘women’s’ pages,” writes author Debbie Nathan in a new book. “Sybil” was adapted into an Emmy-winning 1976 TV miniseries starring Sally Field and Joanne Woodward that was viewed by one-fifth of the American public.

And it was an utter fraud.

"A serialized version ran in newspapers around the nation": in other words, a heavily-promoted psyop straight from the top.

The Post article claims the fraud was perpetrated for money and fame. I suspect this is misdirection and damage control, and that the real truth is that the "Sybil" version of MPD was sold to the public to cover up an even more sinister reality, namely that MPD is the result of trauma-based brainwashing, which I suppose was practiced at the Trans-Allegheny Asylum, given that this creepy tranny mind-controller ran the place for a few years.

Wilbur also founded a clinic for MPD sufferers in Lexington. I guess "her" job was catching strays and re-brainwashing them.

At the following book review we read that Wilbur pumped Mason full of amphetamines and barbiturates, used her as a literal house slave, and tried to have "herself" nominated for a Nobel Prize: Book review: The sordid story of Sybil

They also met in Omaha, another Reset city which is rumored to be a center for this kind of thing.

Let's look at Shirley Mason:

Shirley Mason was born and raised in Dodge Center, Minnesota, the only surviving child of Walter Wingfield Mason (a carpenter and architect).

So her father was a "carpenter and architect" named Mason.

Ace Weekly

According to Swales, Mason moved to Lexington from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, in an effort to maintain her privacy. Speculation suggests, however, that Mason relocated so as to be closer to Dr. Wilbur. By the time she moved to Lexington, Mason had severed all ties from her family in Dodge Center, Minnesota, where she was born in January 1923. She never married.

Wait, so this woman lived in tiny Point Pleasant, the site of the fake history theme park we keep seeing?

Point Pleasant is a city in and the county seat of Mason County, West Virginia, United States,[6] at the confluence of the Ohio and Kanawha Rivers. The population was 4,101 at the 2020 census.[3] It is the principal city of the Point Pleasant micropolitan area extending into Ohio.

So Point Pleasant is in Mason County? Is this all just punning? Did any of this actually happen?

Flora Rheta Schreiber, the third participant in the Sybil hoax, is an even more in-your-face tranny deceiver than Wilbur:

You have to laugh.

Finding out in my 40's that our world is run by sadistic transvestite history forgers is not something I could have imagined as a young philosophy student puzzling over the mysteries of existence. Not even close. I try to look at the bright side. It means that ontologically, the field is wide open.

It's always breathtaking to me the way these fakes fit together like jigsaw puzzles, with the Reset as the bedrock lie. Here we've gone from dug-out buildings to Elite Gender Inversion to MKULTRA.

I was NOT expecting to find any of this.

 

[papaganda]

I recently took a trip to West Virginia. This state is a time capsule. I’ve traveled a lot in the United States, including to many of the forgotten places, but West Virginia is frozen in time to a degree I haven’t encountered anywhere else. Only Mississippi comes close.

you should check out wyoming.

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/a-major-old-world-architectural-clue-from-wyoming.6662/

hopefully by the time you see it the thread will be up. same category.

In researching that (I posted it on Reddit) I came across this, which I think falls in line with your theories…

Powerhouse near Beckley found eligible for national register

interesting to me is that this article is ostensibly about how important it is to *preserve* this building. I for one appreciate that. Is it a West Virginia thing or, are some clues supposed to be left for us?

 

[RedNeckGoober]

you should check out wyoming.

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/a-major-old-world-architectural-clue-from-wyoming.6662/

hopefully by the time you see it the thread will be up. same category.

In researching that (I posted it on Reddit) I came across this, which I think falls in line with your theories…

Powerhouse near Beckley found eligible for national register

interesting to me is that this article is ostensibly about how important it is to *preserve* this building. I for one appreciate that. Is it a West Virginia thing or, are some clues supposed to be left for us?

WV is *impressive* when it comes to old-world architecture - and there are few buildings in existence that compare with the Greenbrier in White Sulphur Springs, WV. The 'history' of the 'hotel' as told on the official site is as believable as the holocaust.

In another thread, I mentioned a massive private home that resembled a smaller version of this that my father described to me as 'old world' (his words). He told me that his father told him that the house had been standing for longer than anyone could remember and that no one knew who actually built it. Well - that home was in West Virginia.

Courthouses literally ALL OVER West Virginia look like the one in Jackson County.

And for the record, there was NO drug problem anywhere in West Virginia until the FBI showed up in Bridgeport.

 

[Sunny]

I'm rather surprised and somewhat humbled that no one has made this connection as of yet. I believe that our stolen history is a puzzle of which we all posess at least one piece.

Thanks to all of you who do the hard work gathering these pieces together.

Here is my modest offering. The orphans of orphan train fame, were the children of those imprisoned in the "asylums". Forgive me if this is not a new idea.

Any feedback on this concept would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Just]

I'm rather surprised and somewhat humbled that no one has made this connection as of yet. I believe that our stolen history is a puzzle of which we all posess at least one piece.

Thanks to all of you who do the hard work gathering these pieces together.

Here is my modest offering. The orphans of orphan train fame, were the children of those imprisoned in the "asylums". Forgive me if this is not a new idea.

Any feedback on this concept would be greatly appreciated.

What I believe with all the supposed incarcerations of people, whether the excuse given is poverty (workhouses) / homes for ‘fallen women’ / mental asylums / orphanages/ homes for disturbed children (borstals in the UK) / prisons etc, is that they provide a perfect excuse for the previous construction of huge, costly, ornate old world buildings. I don’t believe any of them were ever used for any of the purposes attributed to them. A catastrophic event in the mid 19th century (or later) meant that most adults died except the few wealthy freeloaders (aka masons) who emerged to exploit the children who survived. (Why they survived may be to do with their having been kept somewhere ‘safe’ or that the adults were given something to ensure their demise). The children were too young to remember their history. No one was left who would put them straight. All knowledge and history which emerged in the mid 19th century onwards is a distortion of the truth or an out and out lie. I have no evidence for any of this, but, in the almost 7 decades I’ve been in this distorted reality, I have known this. It never made sense to me and it continues to make no sense. I hope I find out some of the truth of the lies in this lifetime

 

[Sunny]

What I believe with all the supposed incarcerations of people, whether the excuse given is poverty (workhouses) / homes for ‘fallen women’ / mental asylums / orphanages/ homes for disturbed children (borstals in the UK) / prisons etc, is that they provide a perfect excuse for the previous construction of huge, costly, ornate old world buildings. I don’t believe any of them were ever used for any of the purposes attributed to them. A catastrophic event in the mid 19th century (or later) meant that most adults died except the few wealthy freeloaders (aka masons) who emerged to exploit the children who survived. (Why they survived may be to do with their having been kept somewhere ‘safe’ or that the adults were given something to ensure their demise). The children were too young to remember their history. No one was left who would put them straight. All knowledge and history which emerged in the mid 19th century onwards is a distortion of the truth or an out and out lie. I have no evidence for any of this, but, in the almost 7 decades I’ve been in this distorted reality, I have known this. It never made sense to me and it continues to make no sense. I hope I find out some of the truth of the lies in this lifetime

I agree with the "perfect excuse", as most of us here likely do. The possibility that these structures were never actually asylums etc had not crossed my mind, which all things considered, makes me feel kind of stupid. They lied about everything else, why not the asylums? But the orphans were real, and they had to be someone's children. Aargh.
It's my belief that there are a small percentage of the population that are genetically predisposed to question our reality, of which I am one. I never trusted anything I was told in school. But it is only in the last few years that I fully realized that basically everything I have ever been told is an elaborate and evil fabrication. With one exception.
I was raised Evangelical, I learned early on (mid 20's) that modern christianity was mostly bunk, particularly in relation to the End Times.
However, I'm completely convinced that Jesus Christ Himself was and is perfectly real, the One aspect of our past that they could not hide or obfuscate, regardless of their tremendous efforts to do so.
As far as truth is concerned, at this point in my journey I can confidently assert, that Christ is the only One who has never lied to me. Declaring Himself to be Truth personified, and unequivocally so. I find Him to be the most believable figure in what we call history or His Story. His story in fact, is so unbelievable that it would only make sense that it is actually true, and it goes a long way towards explaining the numerous related fairy tales we are told from childhood.
I never lied to my children about the Easter bunny, Santa etc, because I am not a liar for one, and because I knew that the more lies they were told, the harder it would be for them to determine true reality when the time came for them to do so.
Thanks for your reply, something else to consider for sure.

 

[RedNeckGoober]

With one exception.
...I'm completely convinced that Jesus Christ Himself was and is perfectly real, the One aspect of our past that they could not hide or obfuscate, regardless of their tremendous efforts to do so....

Since you went there, I'm only going off topic for a split second... Really? Who owns (and has owned) the publishing houses? Who owns and has owned all aspects of the media? When have either of these ever *really* tried to hide or obfuscate any aspect of christianity? There are thousands of books and movies about it. And finally who wrote EVERY BOOK of the bible? Hint: the answer to all of the above questions is the same. By all definitions, christianity is a divide and conquer psyop - plain and simple. And it's one of the most effective ever created.

I find Him to be the most believable figure in what we call history or His Story. His story in fact, is so unbelievable that it would only make sense that it is actually true

I'm not trying to bait you. I'm not. I just have to tell you that these statements are out of the scope of reason or critical thinking.

Back on track - It's my opinion that these structures were not asylums either. I've been ALL OVER the one in Weston, WV. I've also spent a lot of time in White Sulphur Springs researching the Greenbrier. They are *SAME* architecture as the 'lath and plaster' buildings that were 'burned down' or 'dismantled' in the Worlds Fairs.

 

[Jd755]

In this photo you can see the underlying structure is common bricks.
Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum

These are low fired bricks that are not impervious to water. They have to be protected by cement render and in this case glazed tiles as evidenced in the photo.
These are white glazed tiles on a cement render base. All the other rooms in that flckr album of the asylum feature either white or brown glazed tile walls.
There are a group of white glazed tiles and fragments witting on the window sill.
The window frame also appears to be of iron or steel and the glass is glazed in with putty.
There is also what looks like the bottom of a steel I beam supporting the window opening.

These things point to there existing at the time of construction was a brick making factory and a terracotta tile factory along with an iron and steel smelter and iron and steel foundries. Where these were located and the names of the companies involved is one avenue worthy of exploration as it would either corroborate any dating claim or disprove it.

However a lot of rooms and all the corridors are of painted render. The tiled rooms would be tiled for hygienic reasons and could easily be hosed down and disinfected.
I have been in a hospital her called North Lonsdale Hospital 1885 and it too had glazed tiles on its walls for this reason.
NORTH LONSDALE HOSPITAL, BARROW-IN-FURNESS. | The National Archives

The concrete floors would have been cast on site requiring copious quantities of sand, cement and gravel. Sand and gravel pits near to the location of the asylum would be my guess as to the ones that supplied these bulk materials. Finding evidence of their locations would again shine light on build dates.

Also worth investigating is proximity to a railroad and if one existed going along said railroad to see if the materials involved were in fact produced along its route and transported to site by train.

Its the infrastructure and logistics that help reveal the likely truth.

In this photo you get to see what happens to iron and steel pipework and infrastructure over time. It corrodes externally and internally. None of this plant could be put back into use today.

In terms of reset theory this fact is of great significance.
If such a building as this was abandoned, as it is for the most part today in actual fact, then any iron and steel work inside will corrode.
If people were knocked of or moved on by some unknown catastrophe the corrosion process will carry on regardless without human intervention to prevent it.
This would render all such materials as being beyond use when the new people shipped in from who knows where turned up.
The same fact would apply to any smelters, foundries and factories that were required to produce the original material. All would be beyond use for their intended purpose.
To date I have yet to see any iron and steel plant of any kind be labelled "reset building".

As for the claim of it being the second largest hand cut sandstone building in the world. Marketing hyperbole quite frankly. Yes its a big area structure but it is primarily a brick built structure not a stone one.

It is very well designed in terms of natural lighting. That is obvious from the photos in the photostream. It in fact mirrors the hospital I mentioned and this workhouse turned hospital which I had free rein to wander through as it was being stripped for demolition. It opened in 1880.
Barrow Poor Law Parish and Workhouse
ROOSE WORKHOUSE AND INSTITUTION | The National Archives
In many structural respects its the same as the asylum but if its walls were much thicker. Its site and the brickyard and slate quarry that supplied the materials were on the same railtrack. Adjacent to it is a sand and gravel quarry literally right next door in fact.
These are the logistical clues that rarely get investigated in regards the stories claimed for these structures and frankly its an omission that can allow imagination and speculation to run riot.

 

[Sunny]

Since you went there, I'm only going off topic for a split second... Really? Who owns (and has owned) the publishing houses? Who owns and has owned all aspects of the media? When have either of these ever *really* tried to hide or obfuscate any aspect of christianity? There are thousands of books and movies about it. And finally who wrote EVERY BOOK of the bible? Hint: the answer to all of the above questions is the same. By all definitions, christianity is a divide and conquer psyop - plain and simple. And it's one of the most effective ever created.

I'm not trying to bait you. I'm not. I just have to tell you that these statements are out of the scope of reason or critical thinking.

Back on track - It's my opinion that these structures were not asylums either. I've been ALL OVER the one in Weston, WV. I've also spent a lot of time in White Sulphur Springs researching the Greenbrier. They are *SAME* architecture as the 'lath and plaster' buildings that were 'burned down' or 'dismantled' in the Worlds Fairs.

Well Goober,
That's quite a bit to respond to, but I'll try do so without taking too much of your time or starting an off topic debate in this thread. You can have the last word as there's another forum to discuss these matters.
That being said...
I'm going give to you two first hand accounts of two different men who met Jesus Christ personally and you can do with this information as you please.
The first was a young man I met about 30 years ago, he was severely emotionally disabled, possibly down syndrome, I'm no physician. He was almost entirely incapable of normal human interaction and completely dependent upon his caregivers. I think he was about 20 at the time. This young man claimed to have had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ, he was very devout within the realm of his obvious limitations, a very fine young gentleman all things considered. I moved away and lost contact with him. Ten years or more later I ran into him at a social gathering. To make a long story short, in the time since I last saw him he had been totally transformed. There was not one single unusual thing about him outside of a few physical characteristics that remaied from his birth defects. But other than that he was as normal in behavior and human interaction as you or I. At first I did not recognize him and had to be convinced that he was even the same person I recalled from all those years ago.
He was making a living as some type of music producer and 100% self sufficient, and the same great guy, just completely changed. Let me emphasize, he was not trained to function within the confines of his disability, he had NO disability.
The second man came from an abusive home with no father, had been sexually molested as a child, kicked out of his house at 16, and did unspeakable things to survive on the streets for the next 6 years or so. He became addicted to alcohol and was a frequent drug abuser, in and out of jail, violent and deceitful, prone to bouts of rage and depression, exhibiting pathological tendencies across the entire spectrum of cluster B personality disorders, alternating between debilitating depression, fear of death and suicidal ideation, obsessive compulsive and suffering from frequent panic attacks. And might I add, full of pride and arrogance, unable to tell the truth, or for that matter, even the difference between reality and fiction.
That second man was me.
On the day of my 23rd birthday, I fell upon my knees and called out to the universe for help, any help. When I awoke the following morning, I was no longer the same person. It took a little while to realize what had happened to me, but over time it became apparent that it was Jesus Christ who had answered my prayer. Just like my friend from years ago I had been transformed, though my transformation was more immediate and immediately noticeable to everyone around me.
There is no amount of reason or critical thinking that will ever explain the changes that happened to myself, my friend, or the many others that I have personally known who tell a simllar story. I suppose it could be said by someone such as yourself, that we are all suffering from some mass psychosis or other form of delusion, victims of the psyop. And maybe you're right. But if God and His son Jesus Christ are nothing more than that, hallelujah, I'll keep putting faith in this delusion, world without end, or until He returns at last to set everything right.
I know better than to make arguments from authority, but I simply can't resist. "Thinking themselves wise, they bacame fools." and "The fool says in his heart there is no God."
That's in the Bible, and a great many other truths as well.
I dont expect anything I've said here will change your mind, you seem to have it all figured out. As for me, every day I discover just how little I know and how so very much I thought I knew, I was completely wrong about. It's humbling, and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. And lastly but most important of all, I am learning just how real God is and how deeply He loves His creation, which includes you and me.
Love God with all your heart. Love your neighbor as yourself. If the world could keep just those two commandments from that made up psyop, oh what a beautiful place it would be.
Peace and love my friend.
Have a beautiful and blessed day.

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

These are white glazed tiles on a cement render base. All the other rooms in that flckr album of the asylum feature either white or brown glazed tile walls.
There are a group of white glazed tiles and fragments witting on the window sill.
The window frame also appears to be of iron or steel and the glass is glazed in with putty.
There is also what looks like the bottom of a steel I beam supporting the window opening.

Thank you for the professional analysis!

As for the claim of it being the second largest hand cut sandstone building in the world. Marketing hyperbole quite frankly. Yes its a big area structure but it is primarily a brick built structure not a stone one.

Yeah, this actually gives me an explanatory theory: maybe the taxpayers paid for stone but ended up getting brick covered by glazed tile.

A mundane explanation for the strangely ornate asylums and poorhouses, etc:

What if they are pork projects designed to make cronies lots of money? That is, what if the politicians or project directors made these buildings so ornate in order to inflate building time and cost, enriching their contractor friends (or possibly family members)? That would explain why they were designed by random soldiers (etc) instead of traditional architectural firms. The soldier (or whoever) was in the know, possibly a friend or relative of someone in power. It's like when governments give huge building or weapons contracts to tiny companies no one has ever heard of (one example being the $300,000,000 contract for restoring power to hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico in 2017 being given to the newly-formed Montana company Whitefish Energy).

That could also explain the random hodge-podge of who the inmates were (at first genuine crazy people, then the poor or unwed mothers, then they would admit people for practically any reason) and why the numbers grew. The corrupt officials were trying to cram them full of bodies to justify the construction of new facilities to start the whole cycle over again. "Our humongous overpriced facility is filled 1000% over capacity, quick taxpayer - fund a new project!"

 

[Frostychud]

Thank you for the professional analysis!

Yeah, this actually gives me an explanatory theory: maybe the taxpayers paid for stone but ended up getting brick covered by glazed tile.

A mundane explanation for the strangely ornate asylums and poorhouses, etc:

What if they are pork projects designed to make cronies lots of money? That is, what if the politicians or project directors made these buildings so ornate in order to inflate building time and cost, enriching their contractor friends (or possibly family members)? That would explain why they were designed by random soldiers (etc) instead of traditional architectural firms. The soldier (or whoever) was in the know, possibly a friend or relative of someone in power. It's like when governments give huge building or weapons contracts to tiny companies no one has ever heard of (one example being the $300,000,000 contract for restoring power to hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico in 2017 being given to the newly-formed Montana company Whitefish Energy).

That could also explain the random hodge-podge of who the inmates were (at first genuine crazy people, then the poor or unwed mothers, then they would admit people for practically any reason) and why the numbers grew. The corrupt officials were trying to cram them full of bodies to justify the construction of new facilities to start the whole cycle over again. "Our humongous overpriced facility is filled 1000% over capacity, quick taxpayer - fund a new project!"

I was actually going to write something like this, so thanks for beating me to it. This kind of thing is very common today, so there's no reason why it shouldn't have been common in the past as well. When I started to look more deeply into how our economies function, I came to the depressing conclusion that above a certain point in the economic food chain, there is nothing but boondoggles and money laundering. Legitimate businesses are strictly for the peasants. However, this observation does not invalidate the original theory presented here, namely that these buildings were found and rehabilitated. After all, renovating an old building is just as good of a money-laundering opportunity as building a new one. Maybe even better, since you can "buy" (on paper) all of the materials that you actually find. My guess is that after the original group of investors got rich "building" all these structures and there was nothing left to dig out, the only way to keep the Ponzi scheme going was by...inventing a pretext to tear them down and build new (inferior) structures, just like today. Let me use Paris as an example. The gorgeous Baltard market halls were constructed between 1852 and 1870 in the very center of the city.

The problem with these old halls, I guess, was that after a certain moment they weren't generating (enough) revenue. So the vultures figured out that by tearing them down and rebuilding them, they could funnel a few billion euros to themselves and get the taxpayer to foot the bill. In 1969, to the horror of the citizens of Paris, the wrecking crews came in and razed the site to the ground. In its place they built a hideous underground mall that quickly became a drug-dealing hot spot.

I was mugged and robbed there myself! By the early 2000s the mall, now only thirty years old, was an eyesore hated by all Parisians, so it was time to do the flipper trick again. It was torn down and the city spent something like three billion dollars building an equally hideous newer mall whose ugly toenail fungus green canopy was sold to the peasants as somehow being eco-friendly.

This thing won't last twenty years before it's torn down again.

It reminds me of a paradox once brought to my attention by a linguist. All languages apparently tend towards entropy, in other words, they lose complexity over time. But if that's true, how did they become complex in the first place? That's why I suspect these buildings (like our languages) may have been found.

@Jd755, I would be curious to have your professional opinion on the phenomenon I pointed out earlier, namely the mirror-image left and right wings being identical except for the fact that one is two stories and the other one story with what look like buried windows. Regarding the "second-largest handcut stone building in the world" claim, you’re correct that this sounds like hype. The asylum is impressive but nowhere near the Louvre or Versailles or Chambord Castle or a hundred other such structures in Europe.

 

[Jd755]

Let me state I am NOT a professional. I am not paid by anyone to do anything.
What I do have is up close and personal experience of a wide variety of buildings and some insight into what they are built of and construction methodologies. Its far from comprehensive but its served me well over the years.

The rough cut or as the terminology calls it "rusticated" stone on the ground floors of those wings is likely to be the original building phase if you will. The number of inmates was small in comparison to the numbers in the years prior to closure. At some point one has to use official numbers as a base in the absence of anything else but they need to be taken in relation to each other rather than set in stone actual factual numbers.

The two story wing obviously has much more finely worked stone on its upper level. This suggests it was installed as a later expansion. Later as in not part of the original.
The ground level windows are light wells for the rooms they are fitted in. Going off of the photos of the interiors the amount of natural light inside the structure is impressive and shows considerable thought and skill in both the design and construction of the buildings.

I would suggest, stressing suggest, that the rusticated stone was also impervious to water. I cannot tell what type of stone it is from photos and haven't looked for the US historical building data which will state what the stone is. But having impervious walls/foundations is fundamental to maintaining dry basements. In an asylum ostensibly there to help disadvantaged people, even if that often meant keeping them from annoying the "advantaged people" by locking them in dry basements in the original build would be fundamental to the well being of all who used them so the specification of the stone in regards to the prevailing water tables winter limit would be given high regard.

As you say the main building is lower than the later builds so the water table height becomes more of an issue. Its worth considering the tree cover of the surrounding area prior to and at the time of the original construction. Trees maintain spring lines, they also maintain the water table to give them optimum growing conditions. I would argue that as originally built the water supply to the building would likely be a spring or springs. High quality potable spring water would to my mind be a good reason to locate the building where they did.
I don't know, haven't look quite honestly but it would be fair to say the tree cover today is less than it was when the asylum was constructed and the water table is likely to have dropped and the springs might well be dry or only accessible by wells which makes piped water more attractive.
Did you notice any mention of wells or springs or see any on your visit?

The biggest problem for grouping mere hundreds of people in one building is sewage. It has to be accounted for in the original design if it is to be a clean and hygienic structure. It has to be readily removed outside of the building to either discharge into a waterway or into sewage pits or reed beds. Its no good looking at the plumbing items on view today to establish where the sewers are and where they outfall you really need to get in what looks to be the oldest parts of the building to have a hope.
Old plat maps or Sanborn insurance maps could be of great assistance in that regard. These document may also shed light on the different constructions over time.

Sewers require either salt glaze pipes or engineering bricks. Both are impervious to water and both are long lasting. Salt glaze pipes are fragile in comparison to the brick built sewers but they are faster and easier to lay so they would be my guess as to what the original toilet facilities are connected to.
They may well run into a brick built sewer further on. Manholes belie the presence of sewers and the older looking the manhole cover (they are usual very ornate cast iron affairs) the further back in time the sewer they give access to goes.

Another water consideration is the guttering and downspouts. Few people pay any heed to these things but getting water away from the fabric of a building is fundamental to its longevity and low maintenance.. I noticed a downspout near the main entrance in one of your photographs just ends in a shoe which tips on the grass right by the rusticated stone wall. Its of cast iron so odds favour it being original to the building and as there doesn't seem to be a drain under the shoe (there might be one but it cannot be seen in the photo) it adds further to the builders and architects trust in the impervious nature of the stone.

In summation if sewage, potable water, rainwater, ground water are looked at and looked for it reveals far more truth about a structure than any other avenue of investigation...in my experience.

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

In summation if sewage, potable water, rainwater, ground water are looked at and looked for it reveals far more truth about a structure than any other avenue of investigation...in my experience.

Excellent points. The style of plumbing would absolutely indicate the general time period when the structure was built. Structures built even a few years apart can have massively different plumbing based on new developments and trends at the time (my professional observation as a real estate agent and renovator).

Big projects would likely use whatever was newest, whether it was a private castle or public building. Everyone hates plumbing problems.

 

[Jd755]

The thing with sewage specifically it leaves as a flow. This means all the in ground pipework has to have an angle of fall from building down to the outfall. This is fundamental to a having a hygienic building built to house hundreds of people.
This pipework is installed before the building goes up.

Question is IF this building was a mudflood survivor as postulated where is the evidence of sewers and internal sewerage pipework being retrofitted?
It would have to be retrofitted after the building was dug out to a new ground level as whatever watercourse o treatment effort that was dealing with the sewage pre mudflood would no longer exist so the original sewerage pipework would be beyond use.

If as is also postulated the human population of the building was done away with by unknown means by unknown persons or event which left this building intact and abandoned the incoming people must at least have had sufficient knowledge to check and restore the water supply and check and repair anything they found to be blocked or broken in the sewerage system.

Its never discussed how long these reset buildings, towns, cities even actually sat there abandoned but nevertheless the longer the time the worse the state of building and infrastructure. Once either goes beyond a certain point in time they become unviable.
Of course abandoned buildings and infrastfuctured can be restored today. People are doing it all the time but take a moment to look into what they use, where they get the stuff from, the expertise they either have themselves or buy in.

In a mudflood scenario both people and materials disappear as do the factories workshops machines that produce the materials.
In a reset scenario best I can tell people alone disappear for an indeterminate length of time as do their skills and knowledge.

In a mudflood its inconceivable that any building afflicted it survived with minimal damage in a dry enough state to simply be reused as did any store or production facility of materials.
In the reset people who knew what was there and what they were doing are gone. Who the incoming people are, where they are from, why they are moving is unknown and crucially what skills they had are equally unknown.

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What follows might be deemed off topic so it might vanish.

I should add that I feel something is not right with the history we are told and sold and that something is the people who gain from rule of authority do so by basing their claim in their invention of a past.
I feel they had to invent one because nobody knows what the actual history was.

So they explain the inexplicable purely within the confines of their invention. Academia and the alternative are both either knowing and unknowing guardians of the invention. The best example I see is the Roman barrier in British archaeology, history, academia.
Its a real barrier only the minds of these people.
Dissent from the agreed and aaccepted position is not allowed and anything found can only be discussed from the accepted position.

The invention that really allowed this historical fantasy to take shape was a a calendar. Nothing other than a human has any use nor need for such a thing. I would argue humans have no need for one either.
There is a use value in paying attention to patterns and cycles and this pattern recognition is intrinsic in all manner of life humans included but when those patterns are codified with numbers and words they are set solid.
The world we walk in is not set solid its motion seemingly without beginning or end.
That's the trick someone somewhere pulled and hence we get the world we have today where the calendar literally stops motion for humans who follow it.

In terms of hidden history its all hidden by the calendar. We all seek to explain it with a calendar. Its seemingly very difficult for people to just sit down and observe and be in physical reality yet in doing so they invigorate their pattern recognition ability.

That there are seemingly anonomalus buildings and built infrastructure around everywhere is obvious. Just a mile or two away from me is a sandstone abbey said to be over 900 years old (calendar use again!!) however there is no way to prove it one way or the other. Sitting with it I see patterns in the work, the style of ornament, the degradation of the stone which show up the more times I visit but as for dating it or figuring out who built it and why nor even why its where it is is as difficult as spotting the various repairs done to the structure on numerous occassions, difficult as in currently impossible.
All I can say with any degree of certainty is it was there when I was born simply because my mam and dad never mentioned anything about it being built in their lifetime.

A long way of saying to me the test of theories lies in the gift of the knowledge of practicalities. The needs of human life don't change, potable water, food, shelter, warmth the way in which they are provided is where the methodology lies in establishing a handle on "when" not in terms of calendar chronology but in terms of what method, process, material superseded another.

Frostychud if this ramble is in the least bit off topic in your estimation please say so and I'll amend it.

 

[Frostychud]

Frostychud if this ramble is in the least bit off topic in your estimation please say so and I'll amend it.

I appreciate your ideas about the calendar and largely agree. The more I try to make sense of history and science, the less I trust the symbolic and numerical systems that supposedly render it transparent.

I wanted to go back to something you said about the rusticated lower levels of masonry and take a closer look. If nothing else, I think I can show a contradiction or two in the official story based on the evidence we have so far.

First, let's look again at the following two photos:

The first photo is of the "Civil War Wing", which supposedly was the first to be completed in 1861, so three years after construction started. The second photo is of the identical wing on the opposite side of the main building.

We are given the following painting of the hospital as it existed at the time of the Civil War and the supposed gold heist:

What you see in the back left is the Civil War Wing, #1 above. Here it appears to have two stories, not one. Construction of the central hall has not even begun.

We are told again and again that the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum is a classic example of a structure built according to the Kirkbride Plan. In other words, it was not built piece by piece but rather conceived as a whole.

QUESTION: is it normal construction practice to complete a small side wing before even beginning the central structure?

Let's assume that that's what happened, since that's what the painting shows and what the tour guide told me. We now encounter our first contradiction. The one-story Civil War Wing was built of the smoother, non-rusticated stone we see on the second floor of the mirror-image two story wing. But shouldn't the earliest-built structure feature the rusticated stone, which clearly was used earlier on the rest of the building, as evidenced from the photographs?

Next contradiction, the buried windows we see peeking out in the Civil War Wing:

Jd755, you suggest that these buried windows were put in to allow light to get into the basement. But look again at the two photos above. In photo #1 we have buried basement windows, but in photo #2 we have none. In other words, were the basement windows intentional, we should ALSO find them in wing #2. We don't, which tells me the windows we see peeking out in photo #1 are indeed full-fledged windows that belong to a buried first floor built of rusticated stone.

I don't know what this proves about the larger structure, but to my mind it conclusively disproves the idea that the basement windows were designed that way. There is a buried first floor under the Civil War Wing. Of that I am 95% certain. Why? Putting aside all other speculation and all other circumstantial evidence, this fact alone suffices to tell me that the story we are told about this building is incomplete at best and an outright lie at worst. There will be no inconsistencies in the truth. Figuring out what really happened will always involve speculation, imagination, and error, but figuring out what didn't happen is something we can do with relative certainty.