Mappe Monde Celeste Terrestre et Historique 1787

[Code For Faith]

I think 'cures' refers to religious buildings (vicarages);

I was hesitating between the two. Thanks for correcting me!

The sun returns to the same place in the zodiac at spring equinox every 33 years or 12053 days, accurate to within 20 seconds … Iesus, the son/sun born on winter solstice, dies at 33. Religions are star gazer myths. Encoded sacred/secret knowledge.

Well, I know you don't believe in Him, but thank you for sharing this information. God really shows His design and will in every thing.
By the way, the Bible doesn't clearly say what day Jesus was born.

 

[Gladius]

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FRANCE

Called GAULE from the hebrew Galaath, Rain because of its frequent floods, or from Gala Laict because of the whiteness of its people

It's very interesting to see that the Gauls were called this way because of the floods. I saw a reference to this yesterday: Sixteenth century maps from Tuscany

With every other example, I begin to assume that the author is either referring to a different language as Hebrew, or he's sort of making things up to give credibility to his explanations, assuming that people at the time had no way to compare etymologies with Hebrew, as the Jewish communities were very closed off to outsiders.

Galaath is not a Hebrew word as well.
"Rain" can be translated as 'Matar' or 'Geshem'. Still unrelated. (Same word in Aramaic)
France is called Tsarfat in Hebrew.
The closest thing we have here, is the placename Galil.
Galil is identified as Jesus' land, in north Israel, as the region is also named today. My personal view places Galil in France, Gaulia, or Galatia in Asia Minor.
Hebrew etymology for Galil means: 1. A region, province 2. Cylinder shape

I don't have the skills to do it myself. Could you check the words bow and cruel in aramaic and in yiddish? Thank you!

Yiddish is not so relevant here as it's practically German with some influence from Hebrew, Aramaic and Slavic languages.

In Aramaic these words are identical to Hebrew.

One more point here,
I don't know what kind of French is this text considered to be in,
but the old Jewish dialect of France
(Zarphatic language) is virtually identical to Middle French, with almost no loanwords from Hebrew (unlike Yiddish). This dialect is no longer spoken, but was spoken by Jews way after the French had ceased to use it. Some great Jewish scholars continued to write books in it almost up to modern era.
Could that be the "Hebrew" the author refers to?

 

[busy.baci]

Many regions of Australia seem to be named with Dutch nomenclature from real cities in the Netherlands like:

Terre de Diemen
Terre de Arnhem
Terre de Leuwin
Terre de Endracht (the famous Dutch ship)

I guess these names were given by the first Dutch explorers who sailed over there like Willem Janszoon from the Dutch East India Co. But then I guess, every toponym and land mark was named by the English.

 

[ThomasDeDenker]

I noticed that too, Australia is called Nouvelle Hollande ( New Netherlands )

Many regions of Australia seem to be named with Dutch nomenclature from real cities in the Netherlands like:

Terre de Diemen
Terre de Arnhem
Terre de Leuwin
Terre de Endracht (the famous Dutch ship)

I guess these names were given by the first Dutch explorers who sailed over there like Willem Janszoon from the Dutch East India Co. But then I guess, every toponym and land mark was named by the English

 

[Gladius]

I have no idea how they came to any of the informations about the nations displayed on the map. Those are also not listed in the Almanach of 1760. Maybe that was "secret" info for the King Louis .. but it was rather a "Trojan Horse" !
Meaning of Moscow could be "dissolving or melting star", as taken hebrew letter roots from "Ancient hebrew lexicon of the Bible":
MaSKaB ? MS KB dissolving star?

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yes, I think there are a few references on the map with "ebreux" ou hebreux, I can collect them, if you want.

What language are those pictographs from? (It's not Hebrew)

That etymological explanation is a huge longshot.
"Mas" is indeed the root of 'melt' but is never used. The word can be used as Namas (melted) L'hamis (to melt) and more forms. Mas also means Tax, and that's how the word is truly used.

Star is Kokhav. כוכב
The letters כב KB do not represent it as a root, neither does כאב (sorrow, pain).

This together with the weird pictograph explanation sounds as if someone already had a predetermined answer and wanted to make everything fit by force. Even if it was realistic, why would anyone name Moscow in a cryptographic manner to mean "melting star"? It's useless coding.

Moscow is Mosvka in Slavic, and written מוסקבה in Hebrew, MVSKVH.
In older Hebrew, מוסקווא MVSKVVA.

 

[PuzzleBear]

What language are those pictographs from? (It's not Hebrew)

I do not speak hebrew, nor can I read it, unless I copy it to google translator. Those are pre-hebrew letters, from "Ancient hebrew lexicon of the Bible" from Jeff Benner, I attach the pdf file. I am also interested where words originate from and hebrew letter-roots are indeed very interesting, but off topic !

Meanwhile I think that the map displays also astronomical knowledge

4 religious founders or SEA.SONS see.SUNs
1 + 5 = 6 x 4 = 24 we have 24 hours per day

4 seasons à 3 months = 12 months = 1 solar year
3 star constellations with 3 decan stars each = 9 decans per season
9 x 4 = 36 decan stars per year ... decan stars were usually separated by 10° and were used to tell time during the night

13 full moons per years, below on the map are shown 13 bustes (2x2) + (3x3)

there are 18 circles, but only 8 are visible (with inscriptions)

there's more for sure

 

[Frits]

What always interests me about these kinds of maps and history in general is: is it correct?
You can read books by who or what it was written by, I can't verify it: I think of Orwell's statement, "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." There is a tremendous truth in that. Don't you sometimes replace things you've done with something else or make something more fun than it is? Well that's what I try to look for in what people think happened in the past. It's an adventure book and I don't know who wrote it, but do know it's just a book. The real history of being cannot be found outside of yourself; it is hidden within you waiting for you to find it.
Anything can take place in the human imagination. I think that man is a very unique being, created by a high intelligence. Nature with all its beautiful connections, mathematical and spiritual, is not a coincidence. It is too perfect and therefore very beautiful.

 

[Code For Faith]

How about checking what was said by the cartographer of the Jewish religion?

I start with the center medal and then go from left to right.

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MOYSE NAI en 2464 RECEU SA LOI en 2544 MORT en 2584

Il y a eu 4 Sectes parmi les Iuifs touchant les actions humaines et leur principe. la première des Pharisiens, la 2em des Saduceens, la 3em des Esseniens et la 4em de Iuda.

La première donne a la destinée, et a la liberté ; veut l'Immortalité des ames punies et récompensées, partie, retenüe dans l'autre monde, partie qui revient en celui-ci.

La Secte des Saduceens, veut que tout depende de nous, soit le bien soit le mal. que les Ames meurent avec le Corps, que l'observance de la Loi suffit et qu'on ne doit ceder en Sagesse a personne

La Secte de Esseniens veut que tout depende de la Providence, que l'ame soit immortelle, et que l'on doit travailler de tout son pouvoir pour pratiquer la Iustice

La Secte de Iuda, est comme celle des Pharisiens, sinon quelle veut Dieu seul pour Seigneur et Roi et que lon doit plutost soufrir la mort que de donner ce nom a persone

MOSES BORN in 2464 RECEIVED HIS LAW in 2544 DIED in 2584

There are 4 Sects among the Jews touching human actions and their principle. the first of the Pharasees, the 2nde of de Saducees, the 3rd of the Essenes and the 4th of Judah.

The first gives to destiny, and to freedom; wants the Immortality of souls punished and rewarded, a part, is held in the other world, a part of which comes back to this one.

The Sect of the Saducees, wants all to depend on us, either the good or the bad. that the Souls die with the Body, that the observance of the Law is enough and that we must not yield in Wisdom to anyone

The Sect of the Essenes wants all to depend on Providence, that the soul be immortal, and that we must work with all one's might to practice Justice.

The Sect of Judah, is as the one of the Pharasees, except that it want God as only Lord and King and that one must rather suffer death than to give this name to anyone

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That was interesting! I often wondered what were the Pharasees and Saducees believing. And from what I see here it matches was is said in the Bible.

With every other example, I begin to assume that the author is either referring to a different language as Hebrew, or he's sort of making things up to give credibility to his explanations, assuming that people at the time had no way to compare etymologies with Hebrew, as the Jewish communities were very closed off to outsiders.

That may very well be the case. Too bad because in the end it on hurts his credibility!

I don't know what kind of French is this text considered to be in

It's modern french, with some variation in spelling here and there. For instance, like in english, we no longer us the long s (ſ). They use "i" for "j" and "u" for "v", etc...
But objectively speaking, it's as close to modern french from France as Canadian french is.

(Zarphatic language) is virtually identical to Middle French, with almost no loanwords from Hebrew (unlike Yiddish). This dialect is no longer spoken, but was spoken by Jews way after the French had ceased to use it. Some great Jewish scholars continued to write books in it almost up to modern era.
Could that be the "Hebrew" the author refers to?

It's the first time I hear of this language. Maybe that explains why the maker of this map is so confident giving etymologies that look sketchy to us. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a zarphatic dictionary to verify this.

Those are pre-hebrew letters, from "Ancient hebrew lexicon of the Bible" from Jeff Benner, I attach the pdf file.

Thanks for the PDF. For those interested, here is their website: The Ancient Hebrew Alphabet | AHRC

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[PuzzleBear]

What always interests me about these kinds of maps and history in general is: is it correct?

literally everything we are presented or allowed to know about is controlled by THEY. I've come to the conclusion, that our HIStory before 1800 is highly suspicious to have been mainly forged

this map is forgery too

The map was created in 1718/1719 ! The date of creation of the world shows this: 5772 – 4053 birth of Christ = 1719.

Then there is this calender from 1718 – 1749, with the dominical letter of the years (leap years have 2 letters) and the number of the Epactes, which are the days added to the lunar year of 354 days.

As there are also the dates of 1785 and 1786 to be found, the map is a forgery to mislead us. Make-believe. The commencement of the Republiques and Kingdoms and founders are likely ALL wrong. The "greek" philosophers mentioned on the botton are a German invention from around the mid 1700s. Except Hercules with Lyre, both star constellations, but there are yet no Olympians mentioned ;-)

They would never have dedicated a map to the King where the calender on it from 1719-1749 was already outdated by 37 years !!!

Translation of the calendar:
Outer circle :

Epactes sont les jours ajoutes a l’année lunaire qui est de 354 jours.
Epacts are the days added to the lunar year which is 354 days

Cycle lunaire nombre d’or de 19 ans
Lunar cycle golden ratio of 19 years

Bisextile est un jour mis de 4 en 4 ans après le 24 février
Leap year is a day put every 4 years after February 24

Cycle solaire de 28 ans cycle d’indice de 15 ? unsure for 15
28-year solar cycle index cycle of 15?

Inner circle: (4 different times to start the year)

Les peuples romains à l’equinoxe vernale
The Roman peoples at the vernal equinox

Les Septentrionaux (peuples du Nord) au solstice d’hiver
The Septentrionals (people of the North) at the winter solstice

Les A. ? Hebreux à l’equinoxe automne. Unsure for A.
The A. Hebrews at the Autumn Equinox

Les Egyptiens à la canicule
Egyptians in the heat wave (dog days)

Bullseye : Revolution of the Epactes

Here is another example how THEY forge events and characters:

In the Almanach 1760 the 19 year lunar cycle is explained and that Méthon of Athenes found it in the year 432 AFTER Christ (après la Naissance de N.otre S.eigneur, after the birth of O.ur L.ord)

Now, 262 years later:

Quote Wiki : Meton of Athens (Greek: Μέτων ὁ Ἀθηναῖος; gen.: Μέτωνος) was a Greek mathematician, astronomer, geometer, and engineer who lived in Athens in the 5th century BC. He is best known for calculations involving the eponymous 19-year Metonic cycle, which he introduced in 432 BC into the lunisolar Attic calendar.

That’s 864 years of difference by changing AD and BC. INVERTING everything !

Now imagine everything DIGITAL, they can change whatever pleases them within the blink of an eye.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Cycle lunaire nombre d’or de 19 ans
Lunar cycle golden ratio of 19 years

It's the golden number, not the golden ratio, as you said in your prvious post.

Cycle solaire de 28 ans cycle d’indice de 15 ? unsure for 15
28-year solar cycle index cycle of 15?

It says: CYCLE SOL. DE 28. ANS CY. D'INDIC. DE 15
The translation is: solar cycle of 28 years cycle of the indiction of 15 (years)

more about the indiction here: The Indiction problem

 

[Gladius]

How about checking what was said by the cartographer of the Jewish religion?

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MOSES BORN in 2464 RECEIVED HIS LAW in 2544 DIED in 2584

There are 4 Sects among the Jews touching human actions and their principle. the first of the Pharasees, the 2nde of de Saducees, the 3rd of the Essenes and the 4th of Judah.

Is he speaking of the sects in present form?
Those sects existed in the supposed antiquity, before the destruction of the Temple in the alleged 1st century A.D.
In Jewish history, their existence is to blame for the division between Jews leading to being overpowered by the enemy. Since early middle ages, only 2 primary sects allegedly exist: Rabbinical and Karaites, with the Rabbinicals eventually becoming nearly absolute by the time the map is released.

Perhaps the sects existed later than thought.

That may very well be the case. Too bad because in the end it on hurts his credibility!

Or, he's referring to something we fail to understand.

It's modern french, with some variation in spelling here and there. For instance, like in english, we no longer us the long s (ſ). They use "i" for "j" and "u" for "v", etc...
But objectively speaking, it's as close to modern french from France as Canadian french is.

It's the first time I hear of this language. Maybe that explains why the maker of this map is so confident giving etymologies that look sketchy to us. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a zarphatic dictionary to verify this.

There is no Zarphatic dictionary, since it's not an actual language. Jews have developed a community dialect in every country they lived. In most cases, the dialect is identical to the local language, but the pronouncing of words is different. Yiddish is practically German, but Germans have a hard time understanding it when spoken, just as they have difficulty understanding dialects within Germany.

The question is, how do the early modern French writers call Middle French? Do they ever address the existence of the language that preceded them? I know for example that modern English tends to ignore Middle English in those times.
If the French people have some kind of a "black hole" between the Middle and Modern, then the only people speaking Middle in the mapmaker's time would be French Jews, and in his perspective, "Hebrew" is Middle French, but he is not aware of it, perhaps. "Hebrew" can be translated as "The language that the Herbews speak", and not the Hebrew that you perceive today.
Also, keep in mind that those Hebrews themselves did not speak Hebrew at those times, as most of France's Jews do not speak it until today. They can pray in it, but it is out of memorization, just as a Catholic could pray in Latin without understanding it.

Thanks for the PDF. For those interested, here is their website: The Ancient Hebrew Alphabet | AHRC

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I have serious doubts about how genuinely "ancient Hebrew" this alphabet is. We basically have the so called Semitic/Phoenician alphabets found in many variations from the Levant, to Cyprus, North Africa, Italy and such. They're all allegedly made by seafaring people who brought and mixed those variations with them, so you have no way of knowing what is really "Greek Phoenician" or "Levant Phoenician", also called "Canaanite".
Why do I doubt it? It's all based on Israeli archeology, which is purely a scam practice. Even the global archeology organizations (which include some con artists themselves) do not value the Israeli findings as genuine(!).
Their findings are highly politicized, composed in massive forgery, and sponsored by very shady characters and propagandists. If there's any archeological piece coming out of Israel, you can be sure that it passed the heavy censorship.
Archeology performed elsewhere in the Levant: Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, not even worth to talk about. While the Israeli forgeries are made for narrative, the others simply make it for money and fake art wholesale. And this goes back many years.
Take for instance the "Qumran Scrolls" that people hold in such a high regard.
They literally tell you that an Arab boy found it in cave, kept in a pot, intact, and then sold it to a guy who sold it to a guy.
In the 50's, that story was enough for people just to get some affirmation of "Judean history" in Israel. They even show you a picture of the cave, which is out in the open, exposed, and supposedly nobody thought to go inside for 2,000 years.

Anyway this is not the thread's subject, but I just want to accent that as far as I'm concerned, all those "ancient Hebrew" letters cannot be taken as real or relied upon for any research.

 

[Code For Faith]

L'INDE DECA LE GANGE

A êté appellé par les Hebreux HODU, Loüange ou Confession, a cause de ses richesses et de son Ciel, qui la fait loüer et reconnoitre pour la plus belle contrée du Monde. Cette Peninsule placée entre les Golfes de l'Inde et de Bengala, composée de plusieur Royaumes outre l'Isle de Ceylan, abonde en toutes sortes de pierreries, en perles or, argent et [épices], tout proche sont les 12000 Maldives divisées en 13 Atollons ou parties, toutes dépendantes d'un Roy qui retient esclave ou fait mourir tous ceux que les Courans y jettent. l'Idolatrie qui adore le [Bem...] la Religion de la pluspart de ces Royaumes que les Portugais ont découvert en 1597.

INDIA BEYOND THE GANGES

Was called by the Hebrews HODU, Praise or Confession, because of its riches and of its Sky, that makes it praised and acknowledged as the most beautiful country in the World. That Peninsula placed between the Golfs of India and of Bengala, composed of several Kingdoms beyond the isle of Ceylan, abounds in all sorts of precious stones, in pearls gold, silver and [spices], very close are the 12000 Maldives divided in 13 Atollons or parts, all depending on a King that keeps as slaves or cause to die all those the are thrown there by the Currents. the Idolatrie that adores the [Bem...] the Religion of the most part of these Kingdoms that the Portugueses discovered in 1597.

Again a place's name somehow connected to the hebrew language... was it some type of lingua franca like greek or latin ?

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Is he speaking of the sects in present form?

The title of this map is "MAPPE-MONDE CELESTE TERRESTRE ET HISTORIQUE" which means "CELESTIAL TERRESTRIAL AND HISTORICAL WORLD MAP" so the author could very well be referring to the past.

The question is, how do the early modern French writers call Middle French?

I guess they still called it "french" since it was the language they spoke daily. It makes sense, maybe the english we speak right now is going to be called "neo-english" in a hundred years to describe the evolutions that started from the time of the second world-war when english became the business language of the world.
In the case of french, it became the official language of France in 1539 Middle French - Wikipedia.
Around that time a very famous author called Rablais wrote the first novels in what is now called middle french and the Bible was translated for the first time in (middle) french in 1535 Bible d'Olivétan - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But at the time, who could have make a clear cut between old french, all the other languages spoken in France at the time and middle french?

perhaps. "Hebrew" can be translated as "The language that the Herbews speak", and not the Hebrew that you perceive today.

In 1611, the KVJ Bible was translated in England from hebrew based on Masoretic text -- like, legit hebrew. So I think the author was aware of what actual hebrew is.

It's all based on Israeli archeology, which is purely a scam practice.

Are you saying that the Jews are lying to us?! Y--, you, you anti-sem--... NO! NO! NOOOO!

 

[PuzzleBear]

There are 24 star constellations around each map-circle (11x2) + (2x1), a total of 48, which are the 48 ancient star constellations.

THEY have changed, divided them, added 40, so that today there are 88 star constellations. Imo, to hide the fact, that star constellations do not change, the fixed stars never leave their trails, just the wandering stars aka planets. Part of the celestial clock.

I still have to translate them & find the corresponding zodiac sign. Like "La Flèche" = The Arrow = Sagittarius.

The names of the winds are quite telling, as they are derived from the MARINER'S WINDROSE

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Well, the GREEK mysterium !

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The names of the winds on the Vatican anemoscope, written with latin & koine letters.

Then I have to share the following, I really laughed about their "greek" forgeries. What a CLOWNS World.

On the map about the 3 systems of the world, the first of Ptolemée, Egyptian, who puts earth immobile at the center of the world.

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nowadays ... how to call someone who was born in Egypt, died in Egypt, whose family name was egyptian, whose christian name was roman ??

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Of course .. he was GREEK !!!
He wrote 13 books, interesting number ...

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Again a place's name somehow connected to the hebrew language... was it some type of lingua franca like greek or latin ?

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Are you saying that the Jews are lying to us?! Y--, you, you anti-sem--... NO! NO! NOOOO!

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rather a lingua SECRETA like greek and latin, never used by common people, but by THEY for secret and safe communication.
And to conceal knowledge.
Hebrew was a DEAD language until 1890, when it was "revived". It served THEIR plan.

THEY are laughing about us IGNORANTIS

 

[Gladius]

INDIA BEYOND THE GANGES

Was called by the Hebrews HODU, Praise or Confession, because of its riches and of its Sky, that makes it praised and acknowledged as the most beautiful country in the World.

This one can be tricky.
India is indeed called Hodu in Hebrew.
The word Hodu is a form of Hodaya, means Thanksgiving, and in Hodu form means "thank (the lord)" for example.
The accent however is different. Hodu (India) is pronounced HOdu, and Hodu (thank) is pronounced hoDU. In Hebrew it is significant enough to indicate the words are not of the same origin.
The map author was close in his exploration. But, there is a bigger problem:

It isn't absolutely accepted that Hodu is India in Hebrew. Jewish scholars have argued the location of Hodu over the centuries. In modern Hebrew it was decided to officially call India "Hodu" and so it became "final".

You can read more about it in an older post I made. It touches the subject of the Hodu phrase in the Bible.

Again a place's name somehow connected to the hebrew language... was it some type of lingua franca like greek or latin ?

There was a tendency in those years for many Christian scholars to learn some Hebrew and involve it in their works. While Latin was already an established "academic language", Hebrew was newly exposed to them and they perceived it as something from the "old world", or just the new cool thing. Like in our era, where people post entire research material on Sumerian texts and stories, that IMO are forged by Masons in the early 20th century. Apparently it doesn't bother some truthers to regard it as a "primal" and "true" language, while the fakers of history themselves use it to credit their fake storylines of how civilization came to be. That could be the case with Hebrew too, a language which suddenly appears and all the researchers of the time strive to learn and base their theories on.

Are you saying that the Jews are lying to us?! Y--, you, you anti-sem--... NO! NO! NOOOO!

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All archeology is based on lies, in some countries it is more extreme due to how fake their narrative is. I'd say the Israeli archeology is probably as fake as the Chinese one, for example.

 

[busy.baci]

As there are also the dates of 1785 and 1786 to be found, the map is a forgery to mislead us. Make-believe. The commencement of the Republiques and Kingdoms and founders are likely ALL wrong. The "greek" philosophers mentioned on the botton are a German invention from around the mid 1700s. Except Hercules with Lyre, both star constellations, but there are yet no Olympians mentioned ;-)

Yes I do agree the story of making this map is a bit muddied and does have some questions marks.

Taking as a reference 1787 Jaugeon / Desnos Wall Map of the World in Hemispheres website which has a good description of the story of this map and they do sell the original of it, we can understand a bit more about the cartographers of it and how much effort they put into it, in order to have a decent work as mapmakers.

So just reading this, Charles Desnos and Nicolas Jaugeon had already made their mind up that earth is a ball because their work is based on the conclusions of the known explorers like: Columbus, Magellan and Vasko de Gama. Even though the curvature of the parallels in the Atlas is likely out-curved much more in tune with the Convex Earth model than with the ball one. That, still is proof of nothing, but it's just something to think about.

The first edition of this Atlas was published by Nicolas Jauegon in Paris 1688 and later it had subsequent engravings of it from different engravers through the years.

The Atlas of the world has to reflect and depict CPT. James Cook voyages and I've seen other Atlases being like this one from more or less the same time period. It just makes sense that every cartographer was copying a version of Mercator and updating it constantly with new "accepted" discoveries, whether the edits were commanded or were mandatory (just like App's updates).

Learning a bit more about Charles Desnos we can understand that he had a bad reputation as a map maker, because he had a series of law battles with other Parisian map makers regarding his accuracy in depicting maps, validity of them and copyright issues. He was paid by the King of Denmark, Christian VII with a salary of 500 Livres/year, just so he could make maps for him regularly as a royal map maker.

That means he just mass-produced maps without caring much of his product. He even married a widow which was the doughter of a famous map maker, Nicolas Hardy.
A real unscrupulous opportunist in my eyes.

Nonetheless, I think there is still good bits of information to be extracted by old maps, whether those are just copies of each-other or they're a genuine product of a good cartographers. There is always something that slips through the censure, a good info to make a researcher have that bright smile in his face.
It's just that it's boring to sift through everything to have that "aha" moment.

Happy hunting.

 

[PuzzleBear]

There is always something that slips through the censure, a good info to make a researcher have that bright smile in his face.
It's just that it's boring to sift through everything to have that "aha" moment.

Happy hunting.

yes, it takes a lot of time to read, going from link to link

there are 48 ancient constellations and according to this site:

The constellations are listed in the same order as they appear in the Almagest, namely 21 north of the zodiac, the 12 constellations of the zodiac, and 15 south of the zodiac.

But they name the zodiac constellations, which is not the case on the map.

Some constellations no longer exist, here is a list of them in french

Constellation La Mouche = The Fly was named like that in 1690 by Johannes Helevius . Before it used to be called The Bee or The Wesp. It's part of ARIES now.

Here is a picture I found of Andromeda, Perseus and The Fly. Note the GIRAFFE on the left upper corner.

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This is the list as far as I have it established now. Have added the place where to find it with N or S and Quarters where to find them as noted here in this constellation list. Those in bold lie on the Aequator and should be the Zodiac signs.

(NQ3) Dragon, DRACO, circumpolar - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ4) Cephee CEPHEUS circumpolar
(NQ3) Hercules, HERCULES, - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ4) Lyre LYRA, contains Vega 5th brightest star
(NQ1) Persee, PERSEUS
(SQ3) Lièvre, LEPUS, south part of Orion, the « boat » of Orion
(SQ2) La Coupe, CRATER, the cup of Apollo
(NQ3 AE) Le serpent SERPENS
(NQ1 AE) Orion, ORION
(SQ3) Corbeau CORVUS (MidY)
(SQ2) Le Poisson Volant, VOLANS -
(SQ2) Le Cameleon CHAMAELEON
(SQ2) Le grand Chien, CANIS MAJOR,
(NQ2 AE) le petit chien CANIS MINOR = LEO called the Dog in Ireland
(SQ4) la Couronne, CORONA AUSTRAL,
(SQ4 ) l’inde , INDUS
(SQ1 AE) La Balene, CETUS, one of the largest in Southern sky
(N) L’Oye ANSER (created 1690, no longer in use)
(SQ3 AE) Ophiuchus, OPHIUCHUS,
(AE) Antinous ANTINOUS = today part of the EAGLE
(NQ4 AE) L’aigle, AQUILA,
(NQ4) La Flèche = SAGITTAE (Sham)
(NQ4) Le Dauphin, DELPHINUS,
(SQ3) le Triangle TRIANGULUM NQ1 SQ3

(NQ2) Grande ourse, URSA MAJOR, circumpolar - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ3) petite ourse, URSA MINOR circumpolar
(NQ1) Andromede, ANDROMEDA
(NQ2) le cocher AURIGA ... TAURUS ??
(NQ3) le bouvier, BOOTES -
(NQ3) la chevelure COMA BERENICES
(NQ4) le Pégase, PEGASUS - - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ4) le petit cheval EQUULEUS
(N) la mouche, MUSCA BOREALIS . exists no longer
(NQ1) le Triangle TRIANGULUM NQ1 SQ3
(SQ4) la grue, GRUS
(SQ1) la dorade DORADO
(SQ1) le phoenix PHOENIX
(SQ2 AE) l’ydre HYDRA - one of the largest in Southern sky
(SQ4) le paon, PAVO
(SQ4) poisson australien PISCIS AUSTRINUS
(SQ2) le navire, ARGO - no longer exists, today Carina, Puppis & Vela (SQ2)
(SQ3) l’encensoir AUTEL ARA or arab: d’AL MIJMARAH (MIDY)
(SQ3) le loup, LUPUS
(SQ3) le centaure CENTAURUS one of the largest in Southern sky
(SQ4 - AE) le po. AQUARIUS
(NQ4) le cygne CYGNUS, also called Cross of the North
(NQ1) Cassiopee, CASSIOPEIA, circumpolar
(NQ3) la couronne CORONA BOREAL,

This is the sun on summer solstice, and that is no coincidence. Fix stars never change their path.

And as the Moon mirrors the sun, the full moon in December happen around the same place, a bit more excentric, due to the moons ecliptic that is not as fix as the suns.

Another thing is, that when NEW MOON is mentionned in old texts, it's what we call FULL MOON.
Everything was based on observations and it's not possible to observe something invisible.

When I saw this picture in the book Sun, Moon, Earth from Robin Heath of a curbstone from Knowth, I KNEW

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This is the original from the book with the text from the author:

 

[busy.baci]

Great post, that's a lot of depth that you put into it through inquisition of the constellations. By the way, I did count 26 constellation on the map and not 24. I have no idea really why those aren't 48 though, it might be a mistake by the cartographer's part or just some decision they made which I'm not in a position to judge on the 'why' they included only 26 constellations.

Something interesting I noticed about the Knowth K53 lunar cycle is the serpent like pattern with 30 turns. That reminds me of a Sine wave being the wave-function of the moon's cycles that controls it's phases like a clock work mechanism. And I think that using the Lunar calendar with 354 days is better than using the Gregorian calendar which is a Solar calendar with 365 days and has to account for Intercalation.

Since each lunation is approximately 29+1⁄2 days,[1] it is common for the months of a lunar calendar to alternate between 29 and 30 days. Since the period of 12 such lunations, a lunar year, is 354 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, 34 seconds (354.36707 days),[1] purely lunar calendars are 11 to 12 days shorter than the solar year. In purely lunar calendars, which do not make use of intercalation, like the Islamic calendar, the lunar months cycle through all the seasons of a solar year over the course of a 33–34 lunar-year cycle.

The solar or tropical year does not have a whole number of days (it is about 365.24 days), but a calendar year must have a whole number of days. The most common way to reconcile the two is to vary the number of days in the calendar year.

In solar calendars, this is done by adding to a common year of 365 days, an extra day ("leap day" or "intercalary day") about every four years, causing a leap year to have 366 days (Julian, Gregorian and Indian national calendars).

The Decree of Canopus, which was issued by the pharaoh Ptolemy III Euergetes of Ancient Egypt in 239 BCE, decreed a solar leap day system; an Egyptian leap year was not adopted until 25 BC, when the Roman Emperor Augustus successfully instituted a reformed Alexandrian calendar.

It seems to me that the Lunar calendar is more in sync with the rotation of the heavens and the bodies that move below or above it. It is a calendar which maintains synchronicity with even parts and numbers. 365 days it's not an even number so it will lead cycles to go out of sync and the need to correct it every time, basically it does not respect symmetric patterns. Something like these in sync wave patterns below.

Sine Wave in Frequency Domain​

We left what was simpler and easier in order to complicate and confuse our time keeping ways, just so we could worship everything that has to do with the Sun.

 

[PuzzleBear]

By the way, I did count 26 constellation on the map and not 24. I have no idea really why those aren't 48 though, it might be a mistake by the cartographer's part or just some decision they made which I'm not in a position to judge on the 'why' they included only 26 constellations.

Something interesting I noticed about the Knowth K53 lunar cycle is the serpent like pattern with 30 turns. That reminds me of a Sine wave being the wave-function of the moon's cycles that controls it's phases like a clock work mechanism. And I think that using the Lunar calendar with 354 days is better than using the Gregorian calendar which is a Solar calendar with 365 days and has to account for Intercalation.

Yes, 30 turns = 15 days, 1 x up + 1 x down = 1 whole circle , 1 revolution
I'm digging into those different cycles for the moment.

And trying to figure out what the numbers at the side of the constellations mean.

On each map are 11 x 2 + 2 x 1 = 24 constellations x 2 = 48
I add again the list with the screenshots of the constellations, as I can no longer edit the post from before.

Left map circle, start at noon or North

(NQ3) Dragon, DRACO, circumpolar - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ4) Cephee CEPHEUS circumpolar

(NQ3) Hercules, HERCULES, - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ4) Lyre LYRA, contains Vega 5th brightest star

(NQ1) Persee, PERSEUS

(SQ3) Lièvre, LEPUS, south part of Orion, the « boat » of Orion

(SQ2) La Coupe, CRATER, the cup of Apollo
(NQ3 AE) Le serpent SERPENS

(NQ1 AE) Orion, ORION
(SQ3) Corbeau CORVUS (MidY)

(SQ2) Le Poisson Volant, VOLANS -
(SQ2) Le Cameleon CHAMAELEON

(SQ2) Le grand Chien, CANIS MAJOR,
(NQ2 AE) le petit chien CANIS MINOR = LEO called the Dog in Ireland

(SQ4) la Couronne, CORONA AUSTRAL,
(SQ4 ) l’inde , INDUS

(SQ1 AE) La Balene, CETUS, one of the largest in Southern sky
(N) L’Oye ANSER (created 1690, no longer in use)

(SQ3 AE) Ophiuchus, OPHIUCHUS,
(AE) Antinous ANTINOUS = today part of the EAGLE

(NQ4 AE) L’aigle, AQUILA,
(NQ4) La Flèche = SAGITTAE (Sham)

(NQ4) Le Dauphin, DELPHINUS,
(SQ3) le Triangle TRIANGULUM NQ1 SQ3

Right map circle, start at noon:

(NQ2) Grande ourse, URSA MAJOR, circumpolar - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ3) petite ourse, URSA MINOR circumpolar

(NQ1) Andromede, ANDROMEDA
(NQ2) le cocher AURIGA TAURUS ??

(NQ3) le bouvier, BOOTES -
(NQ3) la chevelure COMA BERENICES

(NQ4) le Pégase, PEGASUS - - one of the largest in Northern sky
(NQ4) le petit cheval EQUULEUS

(N) la mouche, MUSCA BOREALIS . exists no longer
(NQ1) le Triangle TRIANGULUM NQ1 SQ3

(SQ4) la grue, GRUS
(SQ1) la dorade DORADO

(SQ1) le phoenix PHOENIX
(SQ2 AE) l’ydre HYDRA - one of the largest in Southern sky

(SQ4) le paon, PAVO
(SQ4) poisson australien PISCIS AUSTRINUS

(SQ2) le navire, ARGO - today Carina, Puppis & Vela (SQ2)
(SQ3) l’encensoir AUTEL ARA d’AL MIJMARAH (MIDY)

(SQ3) le loup, LUPUS
(SQ3) le centaure CENTAURUS one of the largest in Southern sky

(SQ4 - AE) le po. AQUARIUS

(NQ4) le cygne CYGNUS, also called Cross of the North

(NQ1) Cassiopee, CASSIOPEIA, circumpolar
(NQ3) la couronne CORONA BOREAL

This one can be tricky.
India is indeed called Hodu in Hebrew.
The word Hodu is a form of Hodaya, means Thanksgiving, and in Hodu form means "thank (the lord)" for example.
The accent however is different. Hodu (India) is pronounced HOdu, and Hodu (thank) is pronounced hoDU. In Hebrew it is significant enough to indicate the words are not of the same origin.
The map author was close in his exploration. But, there is a bigger problem:

It isn't absolutely accepted that Hodu is India in Hebrew. Jewish scholars have argued the location of Hodu over the centuries. In modern Hebrew it was decided to officially call India "Hodu" and so it became "final".

We have 48 star constellations total, 12 of them are Zodiac signs, so the rest is 36, the same number of nations are mentionned.

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW

Imo, the nations are called after places in the firmament, especially after having read this : In Mexico the ancient cities were built to mirror certain star constellations and each city had its own Star.

Like India being related to a word meaning Thanksgiving is very telling. That is in Autonm, and it's listed in the third compartiment.

That's how THEY confuse us by changing or adding vowels, different pronounciatioun, but often the letter-roots stay the same.

Each culture had different names for the star constellations, or seasuns and Temples, Templars from french "temps" = time teller by watching the heaven (stars, moon, sun). Those explications about trying to figure out solar & lunar cycles and seasons were kept secret, written in secret languages for the insiders, and then later turned into religions, like the secret/sacred books of the Old Testament, written in dead language hebrew or even if it was "greek" ... same holds true .

THEY once visited all those places, gathered info and then invented HIStory, turned some of those names into ancient cities and Kingdoms that in reality never existed, like Babylon, a name for the Winter Season, Jerusalem = Summer Solstice, Zion = Winter Solstice .. etc and many names appear today as global companies ... Achsah, the ankle of Virgo .. AXA ... Milkah, Gilead, ... See Hebrew Mythology

 

[Gladius]

We have 48 star constellations total, 12 of them are Zodiac signs, so the rest is 36, the same number of nations are mentionned.

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW

Imo, the nations are called after places in the firmament, especially after having read this : In Mexico the ancient cities were built to mirror certain star constellations and each city had its own Star.

Like India being related to a word meaning Thanksgiving is very telling. That is in Autonm, and it's listed in the third compartiment.

That's how THEY confuse us by changing or adding vowels, different pronounciatioun, but often the letter-roots stay the same.

Each culture had different names for the star constellations, or seasuns and Temples, Templars from french "temps" = time teller by watching the heaven (stars, moon, sun). Those explications about trying to figure out solar & lunar cycles and seasons were kept secret, written in secret languages for the insiders, and then later turned into religions, like the secret/sacred books of the Old Testament, written in dead language hebrew or even if it was "greek" ... same holds true .

THEY once visited all those places, gathered info and then invented HIStory, turned some of those names into ancient cities and Kingdoms that in reality never existed, like Babylon, a name for the Winter Season, Jerusalem = Summer Solstice, Zion = Winter Solstice .. etc and many names appear today as global companies ... Achsah, the ankle of Virgo .. AXA ... Milkah, Gilead, ... See Hebrew Mythology

It is indeed a plausible direction.
I'm personally not very knowledgeable in star constellations, so I can't really comment on your findings.
What I can tell you is, that Hebrew and the Hebrew written Bible particularly, is indeed very coded, allegorical, describing more of the 'above' than the 'below', and it is very prominent in Kabbalah studies.

While the common Jewish texts (such as Talmud) deal with more "earthly" matters, the school of Kabbalah deals entirely with the hidden, metaphysical meaning of letters, words and heavenly concepts of good and evil.
Unfortunately, Kabbalah is impossible to understand unless you're well versed in Hebrew, and in order to grasp it 100% it's required to know Aramaic, and be familiar with a jargon of Hebrew words that only a religiously trained person could know.
Most texts were never translated. Any Jewish Kabbalah text presented or explained in non-Hebrew is not worth much: it's a broken telephone, it's like explaining your country's jokes in another language.

In my previous dabbling in Kabbalah texts, which I tried to do independently without influence, I did realize that almost everything there is explained in the as above so below, from names of people, places, animals, plants, to events described in the Bible, and general life concepts.
The problem is that the volume of texts is large, and certainly some of them were released as bait for the non-Jews of the 17th-18th centuries who strived for Jewish knowledge. Many texts were also released by crypto-Sabbateans, who were chaotic and fully driven on confusing everyone, including the Jews. There's no way of knowing what is genuine and what is garbage, the Kabbalah students consume it all by the way, so you can't even trust their opininon. In the Jewish world, it's recommended not to read the Aramaic "Zohar Book" until one is 40 years old, because it will "mess with your head".

In regards to the book you posted, I read a few pages and it seems interesting, I will continue to explore it. What has my attention though, connecets to Fomenko's research.
In that book the author shows patterns of how Kings and their rule time relates to seasons and signs. Fomenko in his known graphic timeline comparison of Kings rule in different Empires, also showed the Jewish Kings timeline to be a part of the same scheme. I assume you know what I mean.
That makes 2 possibilities:
1. The author is wrong
2. The author is right, and the timelines of Imperial kings (Rome, Holy rome etc.) are also based on stars and signs as inspiration.

Well I didn't actually read the book though. Interesting still.

 

[PuzzleBear]

It is indeed a plausible direction.
I'm personally not very knowledgeable in star constellations, so I can't really comment on your findings.
What I can tell you is, that Hebrew and the Hebrew written Bible particularly, is indeed very coded, allegorical, describing more of the 'above' than the 'below', and it is very prominent in Kabbalah studies.


In that book the author shows patterns of how Kings and their rule time relates to seasons and signs. Fomenko in his known graphic timeline comparison of Kings rule in different Empires, also showed the Jewish Kings timeline to be a part of the same scheme. I assume you know what I mean.
That makes 2 possibilities:
1. The author is wrong
2. The author is right, and the timelines of Imperial kings (Rome, Holy rome etc.) are also based on stars and signs as inspiration.

Well I didn't actually read the book though. Interesting still.

All the sacred/secret books deal with natural phenomena. They had to figure out the exact cycle of a year. EASTER is when the sun PASSes OVER the Aequator, rises exactly EAST and enters the North part.. North = summer, female, South = winter, male. Btw, also Muscovy related to men with bows being cruel, is the sun being in Sagittarus (has a bow). The sign the sun was in was shown with an arc or boat.

The "ancient Romans" once had only 10 months, then came the change to 12 months. That's to be found explained in those scared/secret books of the Old Testament, if one knows what they really deal with. If now their months or time calculation, do no longer match with the heavenly cycles, Easter will be celebrated too early or too late, if not corerecting it will be in summer or in winter. Also agriculture was depending on seeding and planting the correct times. So observations were necessary, calendar comes from "calare" = to announce, call out, when the timeteller first saw a star, or a moon phase. And of course, the RhoMan "calens", when debts fell due ... PI rats

Source pic​

THEY have inserted years (the DARK ages) and had to fill them with events (multiply and displace in time and location), also to pretend how long THEY have been here on DIVINE RULER mission. If Pompeii 79AD was 1631, then it's 1552 years. But it's likely more sophisticated. Anyway THEY put a lot of effort and money to erase our past, modify HIStory, so it must be important to keep us IGNORANT about this.

I've found this picture of the Calendario Pasquale on this Date of Easter page

Source pic​

Shall present the Dates of Easter for the years 532-632 = 100 years.
It's in the Museum of Ravenna Cathedral Italy. But it is somehow related to the Copts and their calendar system, the egyptian or alexandrian,

The circle is divided into 20 parts, but not evenly.
A line above letters either indicates that it is abreviated or for numbers it means this number multiplied by 1000.
Cannot edit ??

The circle is divided into 19 parts, not 20 ! (I need glasses ! )

The year 532 when the church adopted that calendar or the year 325 council of Nicea ... 2,3,5 are prime numbers and Fibonacci numbers
235 are the numbers of lunations in the 19-year metonic cycle. 19 = prime too.