SH Archive Movie | - 2001 A Space Odyssey (1968)

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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-05-31 15:17:07
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No doubt 2001: A Space Odyssey is one of the most enigmatic movies ever made, but I find myself going back to the original book by Arthur C. Clarke and wondering about the differences between the movie and the book(s). It's not like the book was written first and then Kubrick adapted it, it was loosely based on Clarke's short story "The Sentinel" but the actual book was written while the filming was on-going! We are told that the special effects required to re-create an orbit around Saturn was beyond their capability, so they switched it to Jupiter. Hmmm...

Then there is the last page of the book which has puzzled me for decades, which made me go look up the final pages of all the other books in the Odyssey series.

Pretty frigging interesting, here they are for your consideration:

2001: A Space Odyssey
There before him, a glittering toy no Star-Child could resist, floated the planet Earth with all its peoples.
He had returned in time. Down there on that crowded globe, the alarms would be flashing across the radar screens, the great tracking telescopes would be searching the skies-- and history as men knew it would be drawing to a close.
A thousand miles below, he became aware that a slumbering cargo of death had awoken, and was stirring sluggishly in its orbit. The feeble energies in contained were no possible menace to him; but he preferred a cleaner sky. He put forth his will, and the circling megatons flowered in a silent detonation that brought a brief, false dawn to half the sleeping globe.
Then he waited, marshaling his thoughts and brooding over his still untested powers. For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next.
But he would think of something.

2010: Odyssey Two
The Europans would be surprised to know with what intensity and baffled wonder that black monolith is also studied by the minds behind those moving lights. For centuries now their automatic probe has made a cautious descent from orbit -- always with the same disastrous result. For until the time is ripe, the monolith will permit no contact.
When that time comes -- when, perhaps, the Europans have invented radio and discovered the messages continually bombarding them from so close at hand -- the monolith may change its strategy. It may -- or it may not -- choose to release the entities who slumber within it, so that they can bridge the gulf between the Europans, and the race to which they once held allegiance.
And it may be that no such bridge is possible, and that two such alien forms of consciousness can never coexist. If this is so, then only one of them can inherit the Solar System.
Which it will be, not even the Gods know--yet.

2061: Odyssey Three
The famous building, towering in solitary spendour above the woods of central Manhattan, had changed little in a thousand years. It was part of history, and had been reverently preserved.
Like all historical monuments, it has long ago been coated with a mircrothin layer of diamond, and was now virtually impervious to the ravages of time.
Anyone who had attended early meetings of the General Assembly could never have guessed that more than a thousand years had passed. They might, however, have been intrigued by the featureless black slab standing in the Plaza, almost mimicking the shape of the UN building itself. If -- like everyone else -- they had reached out to touch it -- they would have been puzzled by the strange way in which their fingers skittered over its ebon surface.
But they would have been far more puzzled -- indeed, completely overawed -- by the transformation of the heavens.
The last tourists had left an hour ago, and the Plaza was utterly deserted. The sky was cloudless, and a few of the brighter stars were just visible; all the fainter ones had been routed by the tiny sun that could shine at midnight.
The slight of Lucifer gleamed not only on the black glass of the ancient building, but also upon the narrow, silvery rainbow spanning the southern sky. Other lights moved along and around it, very slowly, as the commerce of the Solar System came and went between all the worlds of both its suns.
And if one looked very carefully, it was just possible to make out the thin thread of the Panama Tower, one of the six umbilical cords of diamond linking Earth and its scattered children, soaring twenty-six thousand miles up from the equator to meet the Ring around the World.
Suddenly, almost as swiftly as if it has been born, Lucifer began to fade. The night that men had not known for thirty generations flooded back into the sky. The banished stars returned.
And for the second time in four million years, the Monolith awoke.

3001: The Final Odyssey

Whatever godlike powers and principalities lurked beyond the stars, Poole reminded himself, for ordinary humans only two things were important -- Love and Death.

His body had not yet aged a hundred years; he still had plenty of time for both.

EPILOGUE
“Their little universe is very young, and its god is still a child. But it is too soon to judge them; when We return in the Last Days, We will consider what should be saved.”
 
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Username: Magnetic
Date: 2020-05-31 17:04:23
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None of the dialogue by AC Clarke is in the movie.
 
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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-05-31 19:10:51
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You have a timestamps from the movie where that is? I'd live to not have to watch it to find it.

Thanks!
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-06-01 14:25:11
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I see how one can think that is possible but Kubric is no ordinary slovenly wannabe film maker, and because of the depth of Kubric's films as literature and as artistic works it is pretty clear that he had, one way or other, some fine education in the humanities some~where's along the line.

For example, great works of literature, film, art, have hallmarks which earn them recognition because they have depth of meaning and are able to speak to people throughout the stages of their intellectual psychosocial and sexual levels of development, and most importantly cross time and speak to generation after generation: Stories within stories and meaning within meaning.
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-06-01 14:52:40
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I agree and did not mean to imply that Kubrick was any less than a genius in his field. I just wonder if he would have actual conscious knowledge and planning of his movie potentially representing the magnetic pole reversal and the myriad of other coherent interpretations. It's a bit like asking Mozart what his Symphony No. 40 represents.
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-06-01 16:37:15
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Let me interlatrude.
Creative inspiration. Artistes. (Is that French or Greek? ?)
Watched Ready Player One recently. Spielberg took some creative license here and there with Cline's story. Changed a few things.
Usually a good adaptor will keep the original creator around to do it right. Happens with Frank Miller, JK Rowling, etc.
And I had just read The Shining last year, so I was extra clued in to creative differences.
Back to the RPO reference. Spielberg changed one of the challenges to The Shining and in the clue it said "a creator that hates his own creation". It had multiple meanings (nesting dolls), but directly referred to Stephen King not liking Stanley Kubrick's version of his story.
Kubrick was a visual artiste. Some symbology, sure, but...
Happened with Alan Moore and Zack Snyder as well. Who's also heavy into his visuals and look. (And too much action.)
I guess my point is it's all just art. We're influenced on multiple planes.
I try not to compare books with movie counterparts but treat them as separate individuals.
Metaphor. Hyperbole.
This giving power away shit needs to stop.
Celebrities. Politicians. "Famous" people. Who gives a shit?!
On some level, we ALL know everything and have all the clues. Creativity and artistic expression are closer to the fount.
Get creative and see what comes out.
 
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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-06-02 02:39:14
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Kubrick knew exactly what he was doing.

Have you ever watched the shining forwards and backwards at the same time? It's a thing.

Check it out. Wish I had a link.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-06-02 09:43:43
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What would be the purpose of that?
 
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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-06-02 11:45:55
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It was trippy. Theres a point where based in where the people were at the moment in question, you would see Jack telling the hotel manager that he's perfectly safe and looking forward to so much time alone while also he's out in the maze telling Danny he's going to kill him.

Its REALLY worth a search. I'll do my best to try and find it today, but it's certainly worth a look.
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These are stills from the movie. These screenshots are essentially the same distance in both directions from the exact middle of the movie.

Very interesting. One looks almost like jack is holding a small version of himself.... amongst other things....
 
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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-06-09 06:33:51
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2010 The Year We Make Contact (1984) directed by Peter Hyams is the sequel and maybe you would be interested to include an analysis in this thread.

Below is the full movie


Source
 
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Username: GlobeHead69
Date: 2020-06-09 07:34:15
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Can I suggest we be extremely cautious when we go looking for 'hidden agendas' in films?

Your mind is an extremely powerful pattern recognising supercomputer. It's running at 40,000,000 bits of data per second.

Do you see the issue here? If you get it in your head that X film has a hidden meaning, your mind will find things that match what you are expecting.

Confirmation bias.
 
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Username: Magnetic
Date: 2020-06-09 16:34:09
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Everything I have pointed out is there. I stand by my decode.
 
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Username: GlobeHead69
Date: 2020-06-09 17:54:26
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This is exactly how you would expect to perceive the situation, given the confines of our understanding of our own minds.

The fact that you're so sure, this is the reason I remain skeptical
 
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Username: Magnetic
Date: 2020-06-09 18:22:57
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I remain skeptical of people who do not perceive and use generalities.
 
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Username: revelinmusic
Date: 2020-06-11 02:47:41
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If magnetic was not so sure, chances are you would remain skeptical still.
 
Went back and read this whole thread, specifically for @Magnetic decode

With the Delta variant taking hold, the part about the virus lasting as long as needed feels very very relevant

Also wanted to comment on the back and forth between Magnetic and @Dielectric. Was a fun read.

One thing that stood out to me was Dielectric talking about how magnets flip instantly. Well in Magnetics decode there is a dialogue from Hal that says something along the lines of “yes, it’ll work fine up until then” when talking about 72 hours.

To me, part of that decode/dot connection is HAL letting them know the failure will happen at once. Like Dielectric said.
 
Went back and read this whole thread, specifically for @Magnetic decode

With the Delta variant taking hold, the part about the virus lasting as long as needed feels very very relevant

Also wanted to comment on the back and forth between Magnetic and @Dielectric. Was a fun read.

One thing that stood out to me was Dielectric talking about how magnets flip instantly. Well in Magnetics decode there is a dialogue from Hal that says something along the lines of “yes, it’ll work fine up until then” when talking about 72 hours.

To me, part of that decode/dot connection is HAL letting them know the failure will happen at once. Like Dielectric said.
There is a weird hissing sound when Frank is working on the dish communication box replacement that HALucifer says will fail, which I have in my decode to mean that the air is leaking out of the pressurized earth dome during a magnetic reversal. In the Bible Joshua(?) the sun stops in the sky for a fairly long period of time 3 days(?) which means the magnetic field does not instantly flip completely. In the movie Anamatrix the characters experience very, very low gravity situations for a long period of time. An analogy can be made of a motor heating up if too much current is going through it. There are references to hot rain falling when this event happens. In a early script HALucifer opens the airlock to the Discovery spacecraft hoping to kill Dave after HALucifer kills Frank and wants to keep Dave from reviving the other astronauts in hibernation.
 
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