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[plamski]

Very often I read here that we cannot build as they used to. Below is an example that we can. But it's only possible when there are limitless funds for the building. Modern architecture today is ugly because it's commercialized, like everything else. The emphasis is on profit which means limited budget.

Play the clip full screen. The music freaks me out and so do some of the imagery inside. Religion does that to me. Esthetically I'd rate it 5/10 but it looks rich and detailed.

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Here's another "tartarian" building built in 2013 - The Potsdam City Palace (Germany). This one is 10/10.

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[plamski]

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Something interesting about pretty buildings and their pretty ornaments is the pirogranit invented by Vilmos Zsolnay in 1886.
It is made by mixing fired powder of low melting point clay and raw high melting point clay and high pressure press and steam.
It makes truly lovely buildings possible. The company still exists today, so i am confident if not all, but some buildings are built to be beautiful.

 

[plamski]

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Very often I read here that we cannot build as they used to. Below is an example that we can. But it's only possible when there are limitless funds for the building. Modern architecture today is ugly because it's commercialized, like everything else. The emphasis is on profit which means limited budget.

Play the clip full screen. The music freaks me out and so do some of the imagery inside. Religion does that to me. Esthetically I'd rate it 5/10 but it looks rich and detailed.


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Here's another "tartarian" building built in 2013 - The Potsdam City Palace (Germany). This one is 10/10.

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The Potsdam City Palace building as it stands now is merely the original building with a modern facelift and some trace evidence erased. It was left largely intact with a new skin added. We did not "build" it just restored it, and to a quality not matching it's original before it was damaged and before that when it was buried at some point.

That cathedral looks to be a restored structure as well. I'd need more information on it to make a real call but it looks like it was just cleaned up like the previous building.

There's a thread somewhere on here titled something like post mud-flood architecture about a building built in the place of an original that mimics it's style with the basement windows but the bland quality we introduce with our modern "flair" can be seen from miles away and doesn't compare honestly.

We'd have to see more convincing evidence before we say we're capable of building the same things. I'm sure a lot of old tech is still known TPTB but we never see it used straight forwardly.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 18:35:19
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The Potsdam City Palace building as it stands now is merely the original building with a modern facelift and some trace evidence erased. It was left largely intact with a new skin added. We did not "build" it just restored it, and to a quality not matching it's original before it was damaged and before that when it was buried at some point.

It was not merely a touch up reconstruction. The Potsdam City Palace was heavily damaged in WW2 and later dismantled by the East German communist regime. Potsdam was almost destroyed.

Below is the Palace in 1928

The Russian cathedral is brand new and it can be seen.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 18:49:46
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It was not merely a touch up reconstruction. The Potsdam City Palace was heavily damaged in WW2 and later dismantled by the East German communist regime. Potsdam was almost destroyed.

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The Russian cathedral is brand new and it can be seen.

The middle picture, is that the same building? If that's really been repaired then I'm impressed but I'll have to see what it should've looked like before it was blown up.

Where/what is the name of the cathedral? Anything's possible I guess. But I have yet to see a building in the same style and proportion of old ones built entirely from the ground up with no preexisting structure.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 18:50:58
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The middle picture, is that the same building? If that's really been repaired then I'm impressed but I'll have to see what it should've looked like before it was blown up.

Yes, that's the same building - the first and third picture. I added up a before picture.

Where/what is the name of the cathedral? Anything's possible I guess. But I have yet to see a building in the same style and proportion of old ones built entirely from the ground up with no preexisting structure.

Resurrection of Christ Cathedral. It's in the Patriot Park outside Moscow. That's an aerial view of the construction site.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 18:58:17
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Yes, that's the same building. I added up a before picture.



Resurrection of Christ Cathedral. It's in the Patriot Park outside Moscow. That's an aerial view of the construction site.

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Hmm. I'll admit, it's pretty beautiful on the outside. And pretty polished on the inside too. Gorgeous, and it's kind of reassuring stuff like this can still be made but... it's lacking a certain harmony that older cathedrals don't. I don't know how they made it and if it used geopolymer or anything like that or how vibrations would work in it but there's something unharmonious about the inside. I can't put my finger on it.
I don't get the impression this was built for anything other than to look cool, so maybe it's that it lacks the function older temples had when they were healing centres (or whatever else they were used for.) Function and beauty were close to one in the same in the past.
I could be wrong though because that's a ton of money to put into a pretty but useless church given that TPBT definitely know the functions they used to have so maybe there's a hidden purpose but I can't imagine it'd be something like healing.

If they didn't use geopolymer (and it looks like they didn't with the pics you've added) that's probably why it cost so much. And if it's just a mimicry with inferior tech and no purpose that may account for why I get an uncanny feeling from it. Other than that it's, you know, a church honoring propaganda.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 19:01:47
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I get a creepy feeling about it too. But it's quite an effort.

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 19:12:45
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Glad it's not just me. And the aerial view doesn't make it any less.... uncanny. It seems like a corrupt copy/mockery of an old power grid.
The exterior is quite intricate and honestly, pretty exceptional and in terms of fine detail close to the level and maybe equaling that of old buildings that are in good shape or when they were in their original state ages ago, but there's a lack of harmony to it that lends it a flamboyant feel. Or maybe it's just "different".

It's beautiful, but different. Before I became aware of SH I probably wouldn't have noticed the weird vibes from it that I do now. Like the looping pattern at the top of the arches below the dome.
But it's the inside that really gives me a weird vibe. It's polished and in some ways the decorations on both are more intricate than some old temples but it feels too... sharp? Pointy? Offensive? I don't know what the word is. Other than it having no purpose, there's something unharmonious about some of the decoration choice. Too many sharp corners and weird shapes.

It was obviously made with a deep understanding of older structures but taken in a different direction, hence no purpose, but there's some aesthetic choices that may or may not be related to that lack of purpose that also make it uncanny compared to it's contemporaries. I shouldn't take the fact it's not serving it's purpose as a healing center or power generator to say we couldn't make those things if TBTP OK'd it though.

But damn, it's got a weird feel. And it's not the religious or military imagery it's in the decoration and something about how it looks like vibrations from the inside would feel. Like a mimicry made to the same quality but with a nefarious purpose. Maybe there's something going on there that offends the subconcious by design instead of making it feel welcome like old buildings often do. Perhaps it has the inverted purpose but made to the same standards.


I have less to say about the Potsdam Palace because the inside looks.... really quite beautiful and normal. Nothing out of the ordinary I notice other than how immaculately clean it is. The outside strikes me as a bit plain looking for some reason but that's it. Something's off about the cathedral that isn't for the palce though, despite being equally intricate. Palace has more harmony inside. Interested in knowing more about the palace reconstruction because I find it hard to believe it was done purely for the sake of art without some kind of purpose or agenda behind it where the cathedral is obviously partly made for propaganda.

 

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Date: 2020-06-21 19:34:24
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Of course we can build just about anything. The question is how many of these we can build simultaneously, and can we inundate the entire world with structures like this? Here is Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino.

As far as the OP mentioned Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces goes. It's price is approximately $86,317,770.

• The cost of the Shoigu temple exceeded 6 billion rubles

Do we have enough artisans in the world to build 300 of these simultaneously?

 

[plamski]

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I always felt like the technology had been around up to recent history but hadn't seen any examples of it used in the current day.
I tried to keep an eye out for door frame size to indicate renovation age and I don't think any buildings exist with the true first floor excavated. Always suspected the architectural understanding existed at least until the mid 1800s when all the floods took place and you see fancy 8-10 foot stone door frames on buried apartments.

Maybe the money issue is more of a fabricated barrier to keep stuff like this from ever becoming commonplace to the average man again. Putin clearly shows that if someone powerful wills it these can pop up anywhere but it needs the go-to.

 

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Date: 2020-06-21 19:56:57
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Also, are we building cargo cult structures with looks of the originals but void of their functionality?

And then we have the complexity of what we are building today vs. yesterday, and how long it takes.

• 1882: Spain. Sagrada Família by the architect Antoni Gaudí

What would today's cost of something like this be, and what would it take to build it?

 

[plamski]

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Date: 2020-06-21 21:10:21
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As far as the OP mentioned Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces goes. It's price is approximately $86,317,770.

• The cost of the Shoigu temple exceeded 6 billion rubles

Do we have enough artisans in the world to build 300 of these simultaneously?

The cost does not seem very high even for Russian standards of funds management, if you know what I mean.

I am sure that the artisans will be available so long as the demand is there. 300 of these type of buildings around the world is not too far fetched. There's a lot of grand building projects going on right now, only problem is, the style's ugly, vulgar and not very durable.