SH Archive Pardon me, but I have a few humble questions about Tartaria

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-06-06 22:09:39
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USA would only be a police force of the higher level controllers, in my opinion. Not of the highest, but of the higher.

Maybe USA are the new lictors. If so, who are we protecting?

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-06-06 22:15:28
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The ones who don’t carry any fasces I assume. The ones who need no military force to get protected, for they have others to protect them. For starters, I’d look at these 22 first, before anything else:

• 22 Countries In The World That Do Not Have An Army

To me, only Monaco and Vatican stand out.

Then I would look at this wonderful, and always neutral Switzerland.

 

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Username: SonofaBush
Date: 2019-06-06 23:54:44
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The ones who don’t carry any fasces I assume. The ones who need no military force to get protected, for they have others to protect them. For starters, I’d look at these 22 first, before anything else:

• 22 Countries In The World That Do Not Have An Army

To me, only Monaco and Vatican stand out.

Then I would look at this wonderful, and always neutral Switzerland.

Some such as Panama and Iceland have small naval and maritime forces. Many of those countries are too small to pose a threat to anyone. I would think many countries would rush to the aid of the Vatican since many populations in Europe and South America would settle for no less and as for Monaco, I am surprised its alliance with France works, looks suspicious now that I think about it. There is a big Hoover or Dyson sucking sound when it comes to capital. Wonder why France has not at some point been lead by a hostile "rogue" administration let alone some other country.

Despite having a military, my bets are we are "protecting" Israel and Saudi Arabia. Personally, I think it is more complicated than that and that it is a complicated agenda / arrangement with many methods and objectives I have a hard time getting my head around. I do not buy "oil" and "only dumbocracy (not a misspelling) in the Middle East".

 

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Username: mythstifieD
Date: 2019-06-07 04:57:01
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Evidence shows one global architectural style, which in turn suggests that there was one similar culture all over. Judging by architecture and street layouts alone, some 170 years ago we would not know which country we are in. Today, on the other hand, only very culturally similar countries share architecture. Which probably means that back in the day there was one school. Not geographically , but curriculum wise.

I watched an interesting video where the guy is trying to show that the Irish were actually the legendary Phoenicians and it's actually Irish architecture that's found around the world, not Roman. But... Fomenko does a pretty good job exposing UK history as yet another rather close reflection of Byzantine history.



The Issue with Great Britain

From this perspective any colonization later, could only be a consequence of the previous system being broken, a certain region becoming dominant, and other places unable to defend themselves.

I can only see Tartary in the above context, if they really advanced in their conquest as far as Europe, and possibly Americas.

This reflects closely to Fomenko's theory, although I feel like I haven't yet gotten to his fully fleshed "THIS IS HOW IT ALL FELL APART" explanation yet. Some of what he has mentioned though is that as Tartary expanded, and scandal unfolded in the empire (reflected to us today in the Biblical accounts of Judean Kings, and Roman Emperors, but in reality Byzantine Emperors alone) people started to engage in civil wars to break free and claim their independence. Fomenko states that the Ottomon's were sent to cleanse the west of the plague, and they did so by mass genocide. We know this as the Muslim Invasion of Europe after Mohamed died in the 600s, but in reality this happened in the 1400s. This got reflected in the Book of Revelation (yes, written AFTER the onslaught) when plagues and wars and rumours of wars were very much in recent memory. Some other battles happened, and eventually the Romanov's squeezed into power and Tartary fell apart.

Now of course, we in the west say "ahhh nice try, you're erasing western history and claiming everything happened in the East? That even Queen Elizabeth isn't what we think?" but aside from our xenophobic impulse, why not? What if?

Yet, personally, I do not consider Tartary being that World unifying order I mentioned in the first paragraph. They might have preceded the Roman Empire, but they were not that major civilization of the initial builders.

Preceded? I honestly have a very hard time shaking his proofs that the Roman Emperor didn't actually happen.



You may have seen these statistical graphs in his books, but for those who haven't, what Fomenko has shown here is that not only do the Kings and Queens seem similar to each other (the width of the graph -- ie. died of poison, married 3 women, ascended to the throne young, had co rulers, etc etc), but they also ruled almost exactly the same duration of time... IN SEQUENCE! That's statistically impossible unless we're looking at PLAGIARISM. This is what DID IT for me, I have a very very very hard time refuting this.

We're supposed to believe that Rome fell, everyone COMPLETELY FORGOT about it, until in the 1400's some guy started finding dusty manuscripts in dusty monasteries that dimwitted monks had no clue what they were, and managed to translate them an found out "HOLY MOLY! LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN ITALY 1000 YEARS AGO!" and then suddenly more and more of these books got found, with more elaborate stories? I don't buy it.



And this monster capture from his History Science or Fiction goes into great detail showing the parallels between the 2nd and 3rd empires (you'll have to download the image to be able to read it, can't zoom enough here)

 

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Username: SonofaBush
Date: 2019-06-12 02:49:57
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...My biggest problems with what I have read so far is the last mini-ice age. Apparently it was at its worst from sometime in the early 1400s to sometime in the early 1800s. Of course, since we are lied to about just about everything it is possible this Little Ice Age narrative is being pushed just to protect the Scaliger-Petavius timeline. Nevertheless, if true then Byzantium / Tartary would have probably had to settle / colonize America early enough to reach Jamestown, Virginia long before 1607. Why would Tartaria be limited to the western part of North America as many Jewtubers (actually Ziontube, but that doesn't have the same ring to it) and posters in forums such as these seem to think?

Actually, in HOW It Was In Reality, Chapter 8, Fomenko & Nosovskiy claim that America rebelled against Tartary, not Great Britain.

I forgot that I had read in a post by KorbenDallas in a previous thread on this forum that the 1815 Tambora Eruption / Summer of 1816 (or lack thereof) did not affect Russia much. It also looks like there probably was no "Little Ice Age" in reality.

I Gulaged ""siberia" "little ice age"" and so far have found a lot of sites claiming that an Ice Age, perhaps much worse than the recent "little" one is the real threat. However, more relevant to what I was looking for is that so far all articles on why it occurred and what happened seem to indicate 1) not much is known about what happened to the the more sparsely populated regions of Siberia in terms of glaciation, 2) the cause seems to be unidentified and lacking (even the end of the LIA in the Alps at least wasn’t triggered by rising temperatures according to Roger Andrews The end of the Little Ice Age Energy Matters), and 3) that the "Little Ice Age" is most likely in fact a result of the Slutsky Effect where random data appears to be cyclic when smoothed by moving averages but really is not. Is Europe’s Little Ice Age a myth? | World Economic Forum (and elsewhere on many sites)

So while the Little Ice Age may not be a problem for the Fomenko-Nosovsky chronology, I cannot understand why it appears that they do not address it directly.

 

[Samson4prez]

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Username: Samson4prez
Date: 2019-08-06 07:04:50
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Found USA HAS ISSUES WITH MAPS OF 18th CENTURY with a Gulag search. Hits closer to home considering that I live in the country that is tarrifing, sanctioning, and bombing everyone, like why did the TPTB globalize to begin with? I'm starting to think MAGA means Make America Glass Again.

Even if hybridization with Neanderthals was required for technological development (H.s.n. traits for inventing the wheel and Hs.s. traits for coping the wheel, that is a hybrid species with two behavioral universals), that still gives us 40,000 years or so, perhaps subtract a few thousand for positive selection of H.s.n. traits). See The Neanderthal theory of autism, Asperger and ADHD Of course if catastrophism is correct and not uniformitarianism, then anything is possible and the analysis beomes much more cumbersome and the truth much more difficult to come by, meaning that H.s.s and H.s.n could be much older or much younger than is believed..

I definitely have some Neanderthal in me.

 

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Username: Bl0ue
Date: 2019-10-01 05:30:22
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USA HAS ISSUES WITH MAPS OF 18th CENTURY is my favorite one so far. It's absolutely amazing. Have you read it all yet? He reorders the maps based on increasing knowledge and shows an amazing coincidence between Pugachev being defeated in 1775 and suddenly the American Revolution in 1776.

As for political rants, I don't think this is the place. I will note that Trump descends from royalty on his mother's side. I can't decide if Globalism is a rise of Tartarian values or the antithesis of it, Nationalism seems to have been Tartarias demise however it also led to the false history we now teach our kids (because we for some reason wanted to obliterate any memory of the horrible Tartarians)

If it's true that all historical legends actually happened in Tartaria and not Israel or Rome.. All the bloodshed and betrayal and rotten politics... Then Tartaria was NOT a good place and perhaps was forgotten with good intentions? I didn't get into it but if I kept writing questions I wld have eventually opined on how Hitler and Nazism was trying to revive Tartary.

By that theory, Trump is anti Tartaria and might explain why TPTB hate him so much

If they did rewrite history to have happened in Rome and Israel, then they would have rewritten it from their perspective, not from the Tartarian perspective. Look at Game of Thrones and you came understand how the writer thinks. Little care for the common populace, in fact, not a single mention of the well being of "peasants". Most of the show is drama between diferent rulers that end up making the average persons life hell.

Then we can say that any event that has been rewritten by an "outsider" will have an "outsiders" perspective on how events went down. We will probably never know the Tartarian perspective of these events went.

The ones who don’t carry any fasces I assume. The ones who need no military force to get protected, for they have others to protect them. For starters, I’d look at these 22 first, before anything else:

• 22 Countries In The World That Do Not Have An Army

To me, only Monaco and Vatican stand out.

Then I would look at this wonderful, and always neutral Switzerland.

Doesn't the Vatican has a secret service of sort?

 

[feralimal]

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2019-10-01 08:28:21
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I'm not really familiar with Fomenko's work, though I have heard him mentioned many times in the last 2 years.

Perhaps this is a stupid question, but are there any interviews of Anatoly Fomenko discussing his work? I've just taken a look online, and I can't find anything of him speaking. I'd really like to see a wide ranging interview where he shows a good grasp of the issues he raises in his books.

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Actually, I did find this:
There are 2 parts. It looks like the same guy in the photos. Somewhat reassuring that there's a source for his existence as an actual person.

It's not much video output, but I guess the rest of the time he's writing maths books, researching the new chronology, and creating art works.

 

[DanFromMN]

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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-03-05 21:10:26
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I had no clue thee was so much grabbling going on historically.

This is nuts. Off to the rabbit hole generator I go.

 

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Username: AnthemOfChao
Date: 2020-03-05 22:16:44
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As far as Trump's concerned he's an enigma to me. He's directly attacking and being attacked by TPTB while at the same time his ascension is suspicious at the least. He's clearly connected and there's a control structure behind it. It's possibly a Schism between two factions of TPTB. He's opposed to the central banks at least from appearances, opposed to their old systems of control (Their trade and de-industrialization functions) yet in other ways seems suspiciously in line with them. If we see mass arrests of the known corrupt entities in the States then I'll be reasonably sure the split is real and not an illusion.

Biggest thing for me is that he continually references a Golden Age, cures for disease, references "Things you wouldn't believe", stating the best is yet to come repeatedly. If I was less jaded and suspicious the evidence would suggest that he's a mechanism against the reset and is a step towards the release of knowledge of what is, was, and will be.

As far as the Tartary connection, thats one thing he hasn't mentioned that I've been waiting to see. Even if it's just references to countries written out of history. The amount of declassified documents relating to Stolen History and the secrets kept has been increasing steadily in the past three years, as well as a suspicious growth in the Truth Communities which has been subject to censorship by his opposition. Time will tell whether he's just another foil in a plot that's beyond our reach, or if he really is bringing back the "Golden Age" which seems linked at least in part to Tartary and the history there.

 

[Whitewave]

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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-03-05 23:26:29
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Every day my news feed has articles backpedaling the narrative of history. It's possible they're reading this site and offering lame excuses but more probable history is being rewritten now for the coming reset. I keep waiting/expecting to see something about Tartary but maybe it's supposed to be completely erased from our history/memory, never to be revived even in altered narrative form.

 

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Username: AnthemOfChao
Date: 2020-03-06 00:20:32
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Every day my news feed has articles backpedaling the narrative of history. It's possible they're reading this site and offering lame excuses but more probable history is being rewritten now for the coming reset. I keep waiting/expecting to see something about Tartary but maybe it's supposed to be completely erased from our history/memory, never to be revived even in altered narrative form.

If history is a guide it'll simple be regurgitated with new names, small details changes, and poised as a new advancement or discovery.

 

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Username: TeachMe
Date: 2020-03-06 03:27:34
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I am unfamiliar with this author so I have started reading at the links you've provided. It seems clear that there has been a concerted effort to hide the real history of the world, but I'm always left with wondering why they would go to such trouble. So many theories, but many just suggest that it is for control of the masses. Can you provide a brief summary of this author's theory on the reason for it all? I know you don't want to have to regurgitate all the facts, but just a sentence or two would suffice.

This reminds me of a thread started years ago on ATS, "All Roads Lead to Rome". I remember finding it very interesting but I don't recall if they were basing their theories on this particular author or if it was just a potluck of research.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-03-06 03:36:23
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Every day my news feed has articles backpedaling the narrative of history. It's possible they're reading this site and offering lame excuses but more probable history is being rewritten now for the coming reset. I keep waiting/expecting to see something about Tartary but maybe it's supposed to be completely erased from our history/memory, never to be revived even in altered narrative form.

I think they say ‘mongols’ or Golden Hoard type thing to keep up the deflection. Seems like I just saw an article something along those lines and went to search it. The following is not what I remembered but..

The Air Force Wants to Unleash a Robotic “Golden Horde” on Adversaries
Because nobody expects Genghis Khan in 21st century warfare. (This is part of the title not me)

The Air Force Wants to Unleash a Robotic “Golden Horde” on Adversaries

 

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Date: 2020-03-06 13:23:22
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Actually, in HOW It Was In Reality, Chapter 8, Fomenko & Nosovskiy claim that America rebelled against Tartary, not Great Britain.

I forgot that I had read in a post by KorbenDallas in a previous thread on this forum that the 1815 Tambora Eruption / Summer of 1816 (or lack thereof) did not affect Russia much. It also looks like there probably was no "Little Ice Age" in reality.

I Gulaged ""siberia" "little ice age"" and so far have found a lot of sites claiming that an Ice Age, perhaps much worse than the recent "little" one is the real threat. However, more relevant to what I was looking for is that so far all articles on why it occurred and what happened seem to indicate 1) not much is known about what happened to the the more sparsely populated regions of Siberia in terms of glaciation, 2) the cause seems to be unidentified and lacking (even the end of the LIA in the Alps at least wasn’t triggered by rising temperatures according to Roger Andrews The end of the Little Ice Age Energy Matters), and 3) that the "Little Ice Age" is most likely in fact a result of the Slutsky Effect where random data appears to be cyclic when smoothed by moving averages but really is not. Is Europe’s Little Ice Age a myth? | World Economic Forum (and elsewhere on many sites)

So while the Little Ice Age may not be a problem for the Fomenko-Nosovsky chronology, I cannot understand why it appears that they do not address it directly.

The problem with this idea, is the people who want to get rid of the idea of a little ice age and medieval warm period before that.... the climategate emails show that data tampering in order to drive the climate crisis hysteria for political reasons is a real thing