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Username: Searching
Date: 2020-02-05 04:24:13
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That's pretty much why I don't prescribe to that theory. TPTB are constantly changing, there are some groups that have historically maintained control for longer periods of time, but I suspect that they are all run by mortals who die (I am open to being proven wrong on this point). So priorities shift, plans change. There is always the dynamic of the controlled and the controllers, but I fear that's a consequence of human nature. When I look at human history, I don't see a centuries long plan, I see a mess of failed plans, cover-ups, grandstanding, and misdirection.

I'm in agreement. I think the messiness is intentional, by design. When we answer one question, we are presented with 20 more. We aren't meant to figure it all out.

 

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Username: Cl4ssyMF
Date: 2020-02-05 22:23:10
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Yeah, I stay out of this debate.
We can MAKE it whatever we want it to be. Hanging in the balance, we can choose our own reality.
I, personally, would find it a lonely universe if we decided to be all alone. But, then again, we need to stop letting others manipulate our beliefs and direct our "reality" for us.
Inception time.

we live in a tube we are all ninja turtles

 

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Username: Feralimal
Date: 2020-02-06 05:38:49
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we live in a tube we are all ninja turtles

Ninja turtles all the way down?

 

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Username: NeoGeo
Date: 2020-02-06 06:26:41
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I think because ignoring it is better policy than shutting things down and attracting attention that way. And I also really think that TPTB underestimated how badly old space footage would age or they didn't care because they personally would be dead by the time it looked dated.

I don't believe any one entity/agenda can control information getting out entirely. They can attempt to control the interpretation of that information or promote other information to obscure what they want to remain hidden. It's partly what KD calls "headline maintenance", combined with our educational indoctrination.

Because the majority of people don't have the stomach for a good conspiracy... The UN logo literally has the Flat Earth map on it... And the freemason compass and angle seem to be the best tools for navigating a circular map... Which is why they are in on the secret and nasa is full of freemasons... My thing is why lie about the cosmology like that? It was the jesuits who came up with the damn sphere anyway... Im starting to think the electric universe cosmology has a role to play in this world and if it does it opens up the possibility for aliens and other worlds which would be connected by like a plasma rainbow highway at the poles... I don't think its hard to imagine that everything is connected and the universe branches out like lightening, tree branches and human nerves.

Because the majority of people don't have the stomach for a good conspiracy... The UN logo literally has the Flat Earth map on it... And the freemason compass and angle seem to be the best tools for navigating a circular map... Which is why they are in on the secret and nasa is full of freemasons... My thing is why lie about the cosmology like that? It was the jesuits who came up with the damn sphere anyway... Im starting to think the electric universe cosmology has a role to play in this world and if it does it opens up the possibility for aliens and other worlds which would be connected by like a plasma rainbow highway at the poles... I don't think its hard to imagine that everything is connected and the universe branches out like lightening, tree branches and human nerves.

By the way I am a Tesla nut and been researching him like crazy... Its pretty amazing you can only buy books up to the point in his life concerning the Wardencliff Tower which was about 1905ish...and he lived to about 1943ish... He literally worked until the day he died and reading some of his insights about the way modern science was going into the realm of utter fantasy... He knew Einstein was a fraud... I think the Manahattan Project might be code named after Teslas lab in Manhattan that was sabotaged and burnt to the ground by JP Morgan and such... Luckly Tesla was out for dinner at the time but he was wise enough to pressure Morgan for funds after... I wouldn't doubt if his research was stolen and has been the alleged "alien" technology the government has been trying to back engineer.

 

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Date: 2020-02-21 01:40:28
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I, personally, would find it a lonely universe if we decided to be all alone.

Perhaps that is how the universe began. Maybe the source from whence all came became lonely, tired of being alone, and since all that existed was "him", "he" shattered himself into amnestic pieces to pretend "he" was not alone.

It is not that different from what we try to acheive through movies and imagination. Often, "reality" is unbearable, and one will do what one can to escape into oblivion.

We assign perfection to our deity, but if we are built in "his" image, we are just as likely to try to escape our fate as "he".

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-02-21 01:53:48
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The guy is wearing the Commander's Cross of the Order of Polonia Restituta. They can call it whatever, but the true nature remains:

• Knights Hospitaller
  • Today several organizations continue the Hospitaller tradition, most importantly the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.
• Sovereign Military Order of Malta

Certain things do not change, and mean certain stuff.

 

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Date: 2020-02-21 20:31:31
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Wouldn't you think that somewhere else there would be confirmation that he made this claim? To say he is and always has been a company man is an understatement. Order of Lenin | Soviet award

Two transcripts collected from another site where other Polish Speakers responded to this exact same video both confirm Cosmonaut Miroslaw Hermaczewski is making fun of the Flat Earth hypothesis.

Source: Cosmonaut Miroslaw Hermaczewski allegedly says earth is flat - [joke]

I speak Polish and listened to the entire interview. In my opinion General Hermaszewski is quite obviously joking. There are a few other things that he says in this interview that people have seemed to have conveniently ignored and just focused on the last flat earth question.

At around 11:30, the interviewer ask when was the first time that the General felt weightless and he responds by saying:

"To było po prawie dziewięciu minutach lotu rakietą kiedy już osiągnęliśmy wysokość orbity i przede wszystkim prędkość orbitalna..."

Translation:
"It was after almost nine minutes of flight on the rocket when we reached orbital altitude and, above all, orbital velocity..."

There he mentions two concepts that don't really fit into the flat earth model. The General then continues describing his flight and at around 12:20 says:

"Chciałem zerknąć na ziemie żeby zobaczyć, bo a nuż zejdziemy to... ale widzę, spojrzałem, okrągła rzeczywiście i zachód słońca bo lecieliśmy w kierunku wschodnim..."

Translation:
"I wanted to take a peek at the earth to see, in case we fall (back)... and looking, I see, it's actually round, and the sun is setting because we were flying in an easternly direction..."

He actually also makes a gesture with his hand showing the curvature (12:26). Then starting at 15:57, the interviewer asks if the General has seen any UFOs during his whole career as a pilot and cosmonaut. He responds by saying:

"Proszę pana ja wszystkiego nie mogę mówić, tym bardziej przy kamerach."

Translation:
"I cannot tell you everything, especially not on camera."

He then cracks a smile and laughs.

There are also a couple instances where the General needs to correct the interviewer regarding his training (on gliders), and the name of the commander of his space flight. He doesn't seem to be overly impressed by the caliber of questions and the preparedness of the interviewer.

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I also speak fluent Polish. This was an interview with a celebrated Pole, a general, and the (so far) only astronaut of Polish origin. The interview is him talking about his experiences in space, in orbit, around the globe. At the end, there is a comedy "...and finally". The interviewer feeds him a pre-planned question about "flat earth", the General feigns surprise, but volunteers that "It's flat". In the context of the interview, it makes for a hilarious ending, as well as good-naturedly poking fun at flat earth believers. The incongruity of discussing being an astronaut in orbit for half an hour and then saying it's flat makes it laugh-out-loud funny.

 

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Wouldn't you think that somewhere else there would be confirmation that he made this claim? To say he is and always has been a company man is an understatement. Order of Lenin | Soviet award

Two transcripts collected from another site where other Polish Speakers responded to this exact same video both confirm Cosmonaut Miroslaw Hermaczewski is making fun of the Flat Earth hypothesis.

Source.
Cosmonaut Miroslaw Hermaczewski allegedly says earth is flat - [joke]

I speak Polish and listened to the entire interview. In my opinion General Hermaszewski is quite obviously joking. There are a few other things that he says in this interview that people have seemed to have conveniently ignored and just focused on the last flat earth question.

At around 11:30, the interviewer ask when was the first time that the General felt weightless and he responds by saying:



There he mentions two concepts that don't really fit into the flat earth model. The General then continues describing his flight and at around 12:20 says:



He actually also makes a gesture with his hand showing the curvature (12:26). Then starting at 15:57, the interviewer asks if the General has seen any UFOs during his whole career as a pilot and cosmonaut. He responds by saying:



He then cracks a smile and laughs.

There are also a couple instances where the General needs to correct the interviewer regarding his training (on gliders), and the name of the commander of his space flight. He doesn't seem to be overly impressed by the caliber of questions and the preparedness of the interviewer.
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I also speak fluent Polish. This was an interview with a celebrated Pole, a general, and the (so far) only astronaut of Polish origin. The interview is him talking about his experiences in space, in orbit, around the globe. At the end, there is a comedy "...and finally". The interviewer feeds him a pre-planned question about "flat earth", the General feigns surprise, but volunteers that "It's flat". In the context of the interview, it makes for a hilarious ending, as well as good-naturedly poking fun at flat earth believers. The incongruity of discussing being an astronaut in orbit for half an hour and then saying it's flat makes it laugh-out-loud funny.

Thank you for your insight.

I do not subscribe to any shape. I do, however, notice inconsistencies, improbabilities, and things that just flat out do not make any sense.

During their time in orbit, Klimuk and Hermaszewski carried out various geoscience experiments and photographed the Earth – orbiting it 126 times.
...carried out a total of eleven different experiments while in space that had been planned internationally as part of the programme.
Mirosław Hermaszewski - Wikipedia

Links in Wiki are denoted in blue, like geoscience. One would think all these photographs taken of earth from this mission that orbited Earth 126 times would have links to the pictures. One would also think those eleven different experiments planned by an international space program would be listed and their outcomes given, but nah.

This life is akin to reading a novel. We are given enough information for everything to seem plausible, but events and characters are never fully fleshed out, and only just enough details are given for surface plausibility. We fill in the details ourselves without realizing the story and characters are just a suggestion; it is we who fill in the blanks and assign credibility with our own imagination.

 

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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-02-22 06:06:11
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Something doesn't add up,






Having said that, I recently got excited by the ideas behind "crater" earth.
Specifically, that there are vast "uncharted" areas of Earth.
Those that we send our mars rovers to, and where our space walk happened.

Would explain a lot of "earth" like qualities but lack of easily identifiable surroundings.

I mean maps are so ubiquitous, definitely pretty easy to conceal whole continents.

 

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Date: 2020-02-23 00:01:31
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Thank you for your insight.

I do not subscribe to any shape. I do, however, notice inconsistencies, improbabilities, and things that just flat out do not make any sense.

During their time in orbit, Klimuk and Hermaszewski carried out various geoscience experiments and photographed the Earth – orbiting it 126 times.
...carried out a total of eleven different experiments while in space that had been planned internationally as part of the programme.
Mirosław Hermaszewski - Wikipedia

Links in Wiki are denoted in blue, like geoscience. One would think all these photographs taken of earth from this mission that orbited Earth 126 times would have links to the pictures. One would also think those eleven different experiments planned by an international space program would be listed and their outcomes given, but nah.

This life is akin to reading a novel. We are given enough information for everything to seem plausible, but events and characters are never fully fleshed out, and only just enough details are given for surface plausibility. We fill in the details ourselves without realizing the story and characters are just a suggestion; it is we who fill in the blanks and assign credibility with our own imagination.

Your criticisms are valid and are rationale questions: Nothing wrong with you or your logic, but suppose you just forget about the shape of earth and instead go about this from another angle and instead explain things that fly which don't have wings.

There are many reports of flying beach ball/basket balls. One was photographed destroying a SpaceX rocket, they have been filmed making crop-circles, and seen flying along at tree top and lower height. This stuff is real and not delusional or fictional.

So in regards to gravity and the truth, am I to believe that a species which made supersonic jets, atomic weapons, sent people in to space and the moon, have made submarines that have dived to the deepest parts of the oceans, whom created computers, machine intelligence, created mass production, carried on global warfare, operate routinely a planetary logistical manufacturing, supply, and food system can't figure out something as simple as gravity and travel to the stars?

Ya know, I'm just a very simple guy with a moderate education of average intelligence but gravity is not complex and yet they want me to think it is, but even I can see that we have no real government, it is being operated by billionaires in a votes for money scheme, and even I can see the system is now preying on it's own citizens in a frenzy of savagery; bleeding them to death without care, engaged in high treasons of all kinds, taxations without regard or representation, leaving it's soldiers on the streets and begging for help on TV with limbs blown off, missing eyes, hands, legs, and half their brains. Sitting in Wheelchairs on street corners across America, and even I can see a child homeless starving and begging for money to buy food outside of Winco Foods, the only food store that apparently still has enough humanity left to permit it, so long as it's on the corner and not in the doorway, and yet all this is not enough, and so now they have to make you doubt what you were told and taught as well. The more stupid and gullible we seem the more justified the sociopathic quest for totalitarian rule.

We should have hover boards, should have had them in the 70's at the latest, we should have flying cars and interplanetary ships, if not interstellar, and we don't. Instead we have us questioning if our own planet is round. I understand doubting but there are truths that don't change.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-02-23 01:24:25
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That's pretty much why I don't prescribe to that theory. TPTB are constantly changing, there are some groups that have historically maintained control for longer periods of time, but I suspect that they are all run by mortals who die (I am open to being proven wrong on this point). So priorities shift, plans change. There is always the dynamic of the controlled and the controllers, but I fear that's a consequence of human nature. When I look at human history, I don't see a centuries long plan, I see a mess of failed plans, cover-ups, grandstanding, and misdirection.

Really? like you, I see different groups with different names but the same plan.

 

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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-02-23 01:56:14
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Really? like you, I see different groups with different names but the same plan.

I'm just only really sure that some people like controlling other people. There could be different motivations for this, from simple egomania to appeasing "gods" to misguided attempts at "helping" to things I can't even begin to conceive.

What do you think "the same plan" is? I am genuinely curious because I honestly can't hazard a specific guess that isn't so generalized that it's possibly just a feature (bug?) of humanity.

 

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Date: 2020-02-23 03:42:34
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Your criticisms are valid and are rationale questions: Nothing wrong with you or your logic, but suppose you just forget about the shape of earth and instead go about this from another angle and instead explain things that fly which don't have wings.

There are many reports of flying beach ball/basket balls. One was photographed destroying a SpaceX rocket, they have been filmed making crop-circles, and seen flying along at tree top and lower height. This stuff is real and not delusional or fictional.

So in regards to gravity and the truth, am I to believe that a species which made supersonic jets, atomic weapons, sent people in to space and the moon, have made submarines that have dived to the deepest parts of the oceans, whom created computers, machine intelligence, created mass production, carried on global warfare, operate routinely a planetary logistical manufacturing, supply, and food system can't figure out something as simple as gravity and travel to the stars?

Ya know, I'm just a very simple guy with a moderate education of average intelligence but gravity is not complex and yet they want me to think it is, but even I can see that we have no real government, it is being operated by billionaires in a votes for money scheme, and even I can see the system is now preying on it's own citizens in a frenzy of savagery; bleeding them to death without care, engaged in high treasons of all kinds, taxations without regard or representation, leaving it's soldiers on the streets and begging for help on TV with limbs blown off, missing eyes, hands, legs, and half their brains. Sitting in Wheelchairs on street corners across America, and even I can see a child homeless starving and begging for money to buy food outside of Winco Foods, the only food store that apparently still has enough humanity left to permit it, so long as it's on the corner and not in the doorway, and yet all this is not enough, and so now they have to make you doubt what you were told and taught as well. The more stupid and gullible we seem the more justified the sociopathic quest for totalitarian rule.

We should have hover boards, should have had them in the 70's at the latest, we should have flying cars and interplanetary ships, if not interstellar, and we don't. Instead we have us questioning if our own planet is round. I understand doubting but there are truths that don't change.

Pointing out fault does not denote advocation of its opponent.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-02-23 03:54:55
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I'm just only really sure that some people like controlling other people. There could be different motivations for this, from simple egomania to appeasing "gods" to misguided attempts at "helping" to things I can't even begin to conceive.

What do you think "the same plan" is? I am genuinely curious because I honestly can't hazard a specific guess that isn't so generalized that it's possibly just a feature (bug?) of humanity.

Yeah, the bug is sin. However everything I look into history-wise goes back to some cult, family, lineages who are are all ultimately related (with various names, but the same agenda) up to right now. is it coincidence, or a human plan that could possibly span the centuries? Or is it something bigger.

Here’s an example I just heard and thought of this. This modern actress dresses her 3 yr old boy as as a girl, saying he wants to be a girl. Okay, but next comes drugs that basically castrate him at a little older age (he’s lost a large part of his free will at the beginning).
Yes, it’s a fad, and there’s a feminist war on men, and futher perhaps TPTB don't want any testosterone messing up their control plans and the boy will be a genetic dead end, and there seems to be pedophilia revolution right around the corner (sexualizing children counts).
But wait! many in Hollywood worship Baphomet (the trans god). Who’s pulling Baphomet’s strings? I think Satan is the obvious answer. He want to steal, kill and destroy and is the father of lies from the very beginning. I’m really beginNing to see his repertoire doesn’t change much, but we seem to fall for it over and over And God seems to be resetting to slow it down.
Many ask why God would do/allow this.

Back to the thread, but it ties in:
Greek Planos (from Plane)
Example Matthew 18:12-13; Matthew 22:29; Matthew 24:4-5; Matthew 24:11; Matthew 24:24 - King James Version - KJV - Bible Study Tools

Definition

to cause to stray, to lead astray, lead aside from the right way to go astray, wander, roam about metaph. to lead away from the truth, to lead into error, to deceive to be led into error to be led aside from the path of virtue, to go astray, sin to sever or fall away from the truth of heretics to be led away into error and sin

 

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Username: Dorothy
Date: 2020-02-25 17:30:29
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There is an incalculable amount of space junk many countries have contributed to, as independents or collectively, much of what goes up is also nowadays meant to return and aside that, they all use transmittable data and storage on board. It doesn't bother me what earth shape my only hesitation has been education system correction of new truths if it is flat. The longer they leave a lie hanging the more stupid they look. Are we to believe we go to Mars etc and are still unable to get a snap shot of earth as it rotates. Maybe we should simply sponsor Samsung on its next phone release to make a mission up there, small change $ for changing the world view. Maybe North Korea will soon spill the beans, supply evidence and have the greatest laugh. The trip wires to truth and determining matters of distraction is usually complex, flat versus round earth must be a distraction I conclude. I await the face saving cra-pola to come.

 

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Date: 2020-02-26 01:48:17
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Pointing out fault does not denote advocation of its opponent.

I realize that. All I'm saying is the lies are so great, so fantastical, and so numerous that we are all losing our sense of reality. I blame Einstein for this flat earth success. That idiots ideas would never have passed without the assistance of the billionaires ownership over the mass media.

Gravity is a process of inducted energies which create micro-magnetism in matter, also known as incoherent magnetism: Therefore the planets have to be round because gravity is essentially simply magnetism, but whether the Earth is round or flat or a bowl is something you're never going know if you cannot see what the truth is for yourself. To do that means creating this gravity so we can end the doubts.

Ultimately preventing a real understanding of how gravity is created is what lies underneath the flat earth meme, and this business about the shape of the Earth or even other heavenly bodies is what the enemies of humanity are actually trying to keep obscured by preventing a real understanding of what creates gravity, and that's where this whole debate over round vers flat comes in.

To prevent a real and true understanding of what creates gravity is the object of this flat ver round debate, because that knowledge is precious, it is their preciousness, their precious ring, and that knowledge is what they do not want anyone but themselves to have control over let alone talk about. They have already killed many times over this this supposed sacred forbidden knowledge, and it's so stupid and such a waste, and they have done this sometimes on the most absurd pretenses, so they are deadly serious about keeping you and me down in the muck and that's what this is about; keeping us down in the muck.

If you doubt any of that I challenge anyone to explain gravity using conventional physics because you're not going to be able to complete that mission. I know, I went that route already it's pure bull .... and ya know it's all very interesting that with all our successes in physics and yet we cannot explain gravity or replicate it in any meaningful and useful way. Accidental? Not hardly.

 

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Username: Raven
Date: 2020-02-26 04:16:50
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It's possible flat earth is a psy-op that happens to be a truth they just threw out there as an experiment to see what Darwin's Monkey People would do with it. They don't care what we think as long as we are arguing and creating rancor or otherwise distracted by their insipid bread and circus puppet shows.

There is a possible compromise that explains the polarity- earth is a toroidal energy formation holding/energizing flat plane space for organic life to form a living library. This also explains the inner earth realms/poles that appear as energetic vortexes and why they are so paranoid about Antarctica. (Or it really is just plain flat and Antarctica is an ice wall as depicted on ancient maps. Either way is fine with me; I tend to hold a neutral position in most matters.) Since earth is a 3d realm, a torus field would be visible to us (and all our elementary/binary 3d technology) as a sphere. Can't prove it of course, but there are two things I do know: 1) They lie about everything. 2) Water never lies.

This torus model is my personal perception. I have not looked to see if anyone else has thought of it, mostly because I chose to become distracted by mud floods and star forts instead.

 

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Date: 2020-02-26 04:40:47
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I'm with the toroidal model in that it is energy, but no set shape.

"It is the spiritual life which is the real life; the material life being only a copy of the former, and encompassed with errors."
-The Celestial Telegraph
L.A. Cahagnet

 

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Username: NovaFeedback
Date: 2020-02-26 10:03:34
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Earth is a realm really, I suppose we stand on a flat surface inside a torus field... torus field it's like a giant donut, and the hole is the (north) Pole.