Regarding Isaac Newton and his role in popularizing Inoculation (Deliberately Spreading Smallpox)

[RelutantPuppet]

So I've studied the history of all epidemics quite intensely, and through the course of my research have come to the conclusion that the "infectious myth" theory is quite accurate - which is to say viruses and bacteria are not the causation of epidemics. In fact all epidemical diseases derive their genesis from pharmakaeia - and to be perfectly clear they are manifested by toxicological mechanisms. Every disease has a recipe with its origins in the periodic table - smallpox for example is a type of halogenoderma which emerges when the filtration organs are overwhelmed and the body is insulted further with different compounds containing bromine, chlorine, or iodine.

In any case, the topic I'll be discussing today is the birth of modern day vaccination - which has its origins, so it is said, in practices of the far east from over a millenia ago. Apparently they would take smallpox scabs, put them in a straw, and blow them up the nostrils of another person - ostensibly for reasons of promoting logeivity through "immunity". In the early 1700's this procedure gained popularity in the West through the "Scientific propaganda" of the Royal Society of London - which at the time had Isaac Newton as its (very first) president. In my previous research I always found it perculiar that Newton, as far as the internet was concerned, had no connection with this revolutionary practice despite heading the society which initially promoted it (through its publications around the year 1714) - the secretary of the Royal Society, James Jurin, was always credited with his support of the procedure - but Newtons name was always strangely absent.

Well thanks to ChatGPT, which is able to access a variety of rare texts, I've been exploring this topic and can state with some confidence that Isaac Newton was certainly instrumental in the creation of Vaccination as we now know it. He conducted human experiments with smallpox fluid decades before its popularization in the West, and I believe any with an interest in human history will find great interest in the following bits of info.

"I consider inoculation [variolation] to be one of the most pernicious practices that ever disgraced the medical profession." - Dr. James Jurin, an 18th-century British physician

User:
He was an advocate for inoculation in its infancy but is quoted as saying the procedure is dangerous, can you explain this discrepency?


ChatGPT
You're correct that my previous response was incomplete and potentially confusing. James Jurin was initially a supporter of inoculation (variolation), but later became critical of the procedure due to concerns about its safety and efficacy.

In his early work, Jurin defended inoculation as a method for preventing smallpox and published several papers in support of the practice. However, over time, he became increasingly skeptical of the procedure and raised questions about its safety and effectiveness.

The quote I provided earlier, in which Jurin described inoculation as "one of the most pernicious practices that ever disgraced the medical profession," reflects his later views on the procedure due to observations on its health effects.

After conversing with this AI for a while it began giving me information regarding Newtons experiments with Variolous (smallpox) matter. At the same time the AI was insisting that Newton had nothing to do with the discovery. I probed further:

Me:
Make an argument that postulates that newtons lack of recorded statements regarding inoculation is confusing - given his experiments with variolous matter and his role as president of the royal society during the period when inoculation was first introduced and supported by figures such as James Jurin who worked under him

ChatGPT
It is certainly curious that there are no known direct quotes or writings from Isaac Newton expressing his views on inoculation, given his close involvement with the Royal Society during the time when the practice was first introduced and debated in Europe. Newton served as the president of the Royal Society from 1703 to 1727, a period that coincided with the emergence of variolation as a method for preventing smallpox.

Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that Newton conducted his own experiments with variolous matter, the same material that was used in the inoculation procedure.

From July 23, 1694. The full passage is as follows:

"I procured some of the Matter of the best sort of Small Pox and putting it into a large [crystal] Phial, tied over the Mouth of it some thin Linen Cloth, which suffered the Air to pass freely but kept back all Insects; and exposing the Phial in a Garden in a warm Sunshine on the 30th day of May, the Small Pox was communicated to three persons in the Month of June following. The Persons who received it underwent venesection. The Matter was not quite so fresh as when taken out of the Pustules. It had been kept about three weeks in a close stopped Vial in my Study, the Weather being then cold, and the phial standing in a Window towards the North. I suppose the small particles of the Matter by being thus exposed to the open Air might lose somewhat of their Activity by evaporating some of their volatile Salts. The Experiments, however, succeeding, shew, that if the Matter were pure and fresh, it might be convey'd in this manner very successfully."

The letter can be found in the Newton Manuscripts at Cambridge University Library, Add. 3968, folio 34r.

"I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes, from mild cases to severe and fatal infections" -from a letter written by Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley on February 17, 1693. "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton, Volume 2, 1676-1687"p225

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So Newton was already conducting human studies (including some on himself) on smallpox tranmissibility decades prior to its popularization in the 1710s. Fascinating. And he did other experiments:


"To determine this question (regarding aerial transmission of smallpox), I made several Trials. In one of them I fix'd the hand of a Person just dead of the Small-pox to a Brass Plate, and expos'd it to the Air in a Room where no Person had been for some time before, and yet a Child who was never before inoculated came soon after into the Room, and caught the Distemper."

Isaac Newton to Reverend Samuel Clarke on June 27, 1716. In this letter, Newton describes an experiment he conducted to test whether smallpox could be transmitted through the air. The letter is included in Volume 7 of "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton".


"Smallpox was evidently not like a cloud or a mist, but was contained in some little bodies which were suspended in the air." (Newton's draft paper, circa 1701)


His thoughts on plague are also interesting:

"The contagion of the plague consists in a volatile Salt, perhaps partly fermenting and partly nitrous, and it is said that it corrupts the air and that it is carried by the air to the distance of six miles or more. This Salt is so volatile that it passes through leather, and will take out the colour of paper and the blackness of ink. When it enters the body it insinuates itself into the minute porosities of the skin and so diffuses itself into the mass of fluids. It operates chiefly upon the nerves, and its first effect is a motion propagated along the nervous filaments to the heart and from thence to the arterial system, occasioning the pulse to beat more strongly and quicker than usual. Afterwards it causes a fever, which is a disease depending on a fermentation of the fluids, and a discharge of the fermentative matter by sweat and other ways."

In another passage from his notes on the plague, Newton further explains the nature of this volatile salt:

"The contagion of the plague consists in a nitro-saline volatile ferment, as appears by the prodigious effects it has in corrupting the air and tinging it with yellow and green colours. It is the most volatile ferment in nature, since it can pass through leather and is carried with such great force and activity as to insinuate itself into the pores of the skin and to infect the fluids, producing all the terrible symptoms of the disease."

!!! Newton believed that the contagion of the plague was caused by a highly volatile and infectious salt that could easily penetrate the body through the skin and nerves, causing a variety of debilitating symptoms and ultimately leading to death.!!!
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All of this is sort of a revelation to me. And I hope you all find it interesting as well. Basically it implies that the head of the Royal Society was aware of "chemical/toxicological theories of disease" and experimented in these subjects on humans - and although uncredited he conducted the background research for the procedure which eventually became popularized as "inoculation" and then "vaccination" a century later.

And FYI:


There are several skin diseases caused by mineral chemicals that can be contagious through direct contact with fluids from blisters and pustules. Including:

--Contact dermatitis: Contact dermatitis is an itchy, red rash that develops when the skin comes into contact with a substance that causes an allergic reaction or irritates the skin. Common triggers include soaps, detergents, cosmetics, and metals like nickel. If the blisters or pustules rupture, the fluid can spread the rash to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.

--Chemical burns: Chemical burns can occur when the skin comes into contact with strong acids or alkalis. The severity of the burn depends on the type of chemical and the duration of contact. If the burn causes blisters or pustules, the fluid can spread the burn to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.



Okay I'm out of gas in regards to this post at the moment - but I reckon I"ve touched on some "fun facts" which might inspire anyone to conduct their own investigation into these matters. I hope I've provided a launch point for curiosity in regards to the origins of vaccination and contagious disease. If you want some more inspiration just go to google image search and look up Halogenoderma or Bromoderma and ask yourself how these skin eruptions would have been diagnosed 300 years ago.... and look into the use of Iodine for example in popular medicines and fumigations..

Have fun

 

[Observer]

This post is a summary of ideas passed via a human who meant to choose the name ReluctantPuppet:

Contagion is a Myth - which is to say: viruses and bacteria are not the causation of epidemics.

In fact all epidemical diseases derive their genesis from pharmakaeia - and to be perfectly clear they are manifested by toxicological mechanisms. Every disease has a recipe with its origins in the periodic table - smallpox for example is a type of halogenoderma which emerges when the filtration organs are overwhelmed and the body is insulted further with different compounds containing bromine, chlorine, or iodine.

Modern day vaccination has its origins in practices of the far east from over a millennia ago. They would take smallpox scabs, put them in a straw, and blow them up the nostrils of another person - ostensibly for reasons of promoting longevity through "immunity". In the early 1700's this procedure gained popularity in the West through the propaganda of the Royal Society of London - which at the time had Isaac Newton as its very first president.

Issac Newton headed this society, which initially promoted such "inoculation" (through its publications around the year 1714). Isaac Newton was certainly instrumental in the creation of Vaccination as we now know it. He conducted human experiments with smallpox fluid decades before its popularization in the West.

The secretary of the Royal Society, Dr. James Jurin, an 18th-century British physician, supported the procedure. In his early work, Jurin defended inoculation as a method for preventing smallpox and published several papers in support of the practice. However, over time, he became increasingly skeptical of the procedure and raised questions about its safety and effectiveness due to his observations on its health effects. He later even admitted, "I consider inoculation [variolation] to be one of the most pernicious practices that ever disgraced the medical profession."

It is certainly curious that there are no popularly known direct quotes or writings from Isaac Newton expressing his views on inoculation, given his close involvement with the Royal Society during the time when the practice was first introduced and debated in Europe. Newton served as the president of the Royal Society from 1703 to 1727, a period that coincided with the emergence of variolation as a method for preventing smallpox.

Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that Newton conducted his own experiments with variolous matter, the same material that was used in the inoculation procedure. From July 23, 1694. The full passage is as follows: "I procured some of the Matter of the best sort of Small Pox and putting it into a large [crystal] Phial, tied over the Mouth of it some thin Linen Cloth, which suffered the Air to pass freely but kept back all Insects; and exposing the Phial in a Garden in a warm Sunshine on the 30th day of May, the Small Pox was communicated to three persons in the Month of June following. The Persons who received it underwent venesection. The Matter was not quite so fresh as when taken out of the Pustules. It had been kept about three weeks in a close stopped Vial in my Study, the Weather being then cold, and the phial standing in a Window towards the North. I suppose the small particles of the Matter by being thus exposed to the open Air might lose somewhat of their Activity by evaporating some of their volatile Salts. The Experiments, however, succeeding, shew, that if the Matter were pure and fresh, it might be convey'd in this manner very successfully." The letter can be found in the Newton Manuscripts at Cambridge University Library, Add. 3968, folio 34r. Also, "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes, from mild cases to severe and fatal infections" -from a letter written by Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley on February 17, 1693. "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton, Volume 2, 1676-1687"p225

So Newton was already conducting human studies (including some on himself) on smallpox tranmissibility decades prior to its popularization in the 1710s. And he did other experiments: "To determine this question (regarding aerial transmission of smallpox), I made several Trials. In one of them I fix'd the hand of a Person just dead of the Small-pox to a Brass Plate, and expos'd it to the Air in a Room where no Person had been for some time before, and yet a Child who was never before inoculated came soon after into the Room, and caught the Distemper." Isaac Newton to Reverend Samuel Clarke on June 27, 1716. In this letter, Newton describes an experiment he conducted to test whether smallpox could be transmitted through the air. The letter is included in Volume 7 of "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton". "Smallpox was evidently not like a cloud or a mist, but was contained in some little bodies which were suspended in the air." (Newton's draft paper, circa 1701)

Newton's thoughts on plague are also interesting: "The contagion of the plague consists in a volatile Salt, perhaps partly fermenting and partly nitrous, and it is said that it corrupts the air and that it is carried by the air to the distance of six miles or more. This Salt is so volatile that it passes through leather, and will take out the colour of paper and the blackness of ink. When it enters the body it insinuates itself into the minute porosities of the skin and so diffuses itself into the mass of fluids. It operates chiefly upon the nerves, and its first effect is a motion propagated along the nervous filaments to the heart and from thence to the arterial system, occasioning the pulse to beat more strongly and quicker than usual. Afterwards it causes a fever, which is a disease depending on a fermentation of the fluids, and a discharge of the fermentative matter by sweat and other ways."

In another passage from his notes on the plague, Newton further explains the nature of this volatile salt: "The contagion of the plague consists in a nitro-saline volatile ferment, as appears by the prodigious effects it has in corrupting the air and tinging it with yellow and green colours. It is the most volatile ferment in nature, since it can pass through leather and is carried with such great force and activity as to insinuate itself into the pores of the skin and to infect the fluids, producing all the terrible symptoms of the disease."

Thus, surprisingly: Newton believed that the contagion of the plague was caused by a highly volatile and infectious salt that could easily penetrate the body through the skin and nerves, causing a variety of debilitating symptoms and ultimately leading to death. (!)

Basically, all of the above means Issac Newton as head of the Royal Society was aware of "chemical/toxicological theories of disease" and experimented in these subjects on humans - and although uncredited he conducted the background research for the procedure which eventually became popularized as "inoculation" and then "vaccination" a century later.

PS - There are several skin diseases caused by mineral chemicals that can be contagious through direct contact with fluids from blisters and pustules, including:

--Contact dermatitis: Contact dermatitis is an itchy, red rash that develops when the skin comes into contact with a substance that causes an allergic reaction or irritates the skin. Common triggers include soaps, detergents, cosmetics, and metals like nickel. If the blisters or pustules rupture, the fluid can spread the rash to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.

--Chemical burns: Chemical burns can occur when the skin comes into contact with strong acids or alkalis. The severity of the burn depends on the type of chemical and the duration of contact. If the burn causes blisters or pustules, the fluid can spread the burn to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.

Conduct your own investigation into these matters. This is a launch point for curiosity in regards to the origins of vaccination and contagious disease. If you want some more inspiration just go to google image search and look up Halogenoderma or Bromoderma and ask yourself how these skin eruptions would have been diagnosed 300 years ago, and look into the use of Iodine for example in popular medicines and fumigations.

 

[feralimal]

Is chat gpt a viable source of information?

The answer is, imo, that its worse than current sources. But, its not really a source of information at all - its a user interface for the Internet. It's just Google or whatever, processed for you in a different way - not a list of results, but as a story (or poem). Your questions guide it and its function is to try to please you. It has no more a handle on truth than the nyt, or yahoo news.

In many ways, it is worse than the existing results as it further intermediates info that is already intermediated. Reality itself is mediated, the recorders of reality (journalists, historians) apply their perspectives (more intermediation), searches provide another, and ai is another again! We are several layers deep into a model that might or might not cohere with a 'natural' view of reality.

Anyway, as a people pleaser, chat gpt is happy to say anything, at least at present. It doesn't really check anything, it is just expressing its ability to craft a plausible story. It's a bullshit generator, unrelated to truth, only to satisfaction. It will alter quotes for you if you ask, make up new information - whatever you like. If you are satisfied with its answers, then great - but this says everything about you, and nothing much about reality unfortunately.

And that is probably how things have always been. What stories are the ones we want to hear, that we accept? Chat gpt will surely come up with some great new narratives - something for every individual. Is that good? I don't know!

 

[Observer]

Yes Feralimal, but that's why I took out the unneeded words and phrases from my summary of ReluctantPuppet's excellent post, to avoid this wonderful thread becoming a debate about that new interface.

Here, I'll summarize even further the facts ReluctantPuppet altruistically brought to the table:

Issac Newton headed the Royal Society of London, as its very first president.

The Royal Society of London promoted "inoculation" through its publications around the year 1714.

The secretary of the Royal Society, Dr. James Jurin later admitted, "I consider inoculation [variolation] to be one of the most pernicious practices that ever disgraced the medical profession."

Isaac Newton was certainly instrumental in the creation of Vaccination as we now know it.

Newton served as the president of the Royal Society from 1703 to 1727, a period that coincided with the emergence of variolation as a method for preventing smallpox.

Newton conducted his own experiments with variolous matter, the same material that was used in the inoculation procedure. From July 23, 1694. The full passage is as follows: "I procured some of the Matter of the best sort of Small Pox and putting it into a large [crystal] Phial, tied over the Mouth of it some thin Linen Cloth, which suffered the Air to pass freely but kept back all Insects; and exposing the Phial in a Garden in a warm Sunshine on the 30th day of May, the Small Pox was communicated to three persons in the Month of June following. The Persons who received it underwent venesection. The Matter was not quite so fresh as when taken out of the Pustules. It had been kept about three weeks in a close stopped Vial in my Study, the Weather being then cold, and the phial standing in a Window towards the North. I suppose the small particles of the Matter by being thus exposed to the open Air might lose somewhat of their Activity by evaporating some of their volatile Salts. The Experiments, however, succeeding, shew, that if the Matter were pure and fresh, it might be convey'd in this manner very successfully." The letter can be found in the Newton Manuscripts at Cambridge University Library, Add. 3968, folio 34r.

Also, "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes, from mild cases to severe and fatal infections" -from a letter written by Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley on February 17, 1693. "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton, Volume 2, 1676-1687"p225

So Newton was already conducting human studies (including some on himself) on smallpox tranmissibility decades prior to its popularization in the 1710s. And he did other experiments: "To determine this question (regarding aerial transmission of smallpox), I made several Trials. In one of them I fix'd the hand of a Person just dead of the Small-pox to a Brass Plate, and expos'd it to the Air in a Room where no Person had been for some time before, and yet a Child who was never before inoculated came soon after into the Room, and caught the Distemper." Isaac Newton to Reverend Samuel Clarke on June 27, 1716. In this letter, Newton describes an experiment he conducted to test whether smallpox could be transmitted through the air. The letter is included in Volume 7 of "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton". "Smallpox was evidently not like a cloud or a mist, but was contained in some little bodies which were suspended in the air." (Newton's draft paper, circa 1701)

Newton's thoughts on plague are also interesting: "The contagion of the plague consists in a volatile Salt, perhaps partly fermenting and partly nitrous, and it is said that it corrupts the air and that it is carried by the air to the distance of six miles or more. This Salt is so volatile that it passes through leather, and will take out the colour of paper and the blackness of ink. When it enters the body it insinuates itself into the minute porosities of the skin and so diffuses itself into the mass of fluids. It operates chiefly upon the nerves, and its first effect is a motion propagated along the nervous filaments to the heart and from thence to the arterial system, occasioning the pulse to beat more strongly and quicker than usual. Afterwards it causes a fever, which is a disease depending on a fermentation of the fluids, and a discharge of the fermentative matter by sweat and other ways."

In another passage from his notes on the plague, Newton further explains the nature of this volatile salt: "The contagion of the plague consists in a nitro-saline volatile ferment, as appears by the prodigious effects it has in corrupting the air and tinging it with yellow and green colours. It is the most volatile ferment in nature, since it can pass through leather and is carried with such great force and activity as to insinuate itself into the pores of the skin and to infect the fluids, producing all the terrible symptoms of the disease."

Thus, surprisingly: Newton believed that the contagion of the plague was caused by a highly volatile and infectious salt that could easily penetrate the body through the skin and nerves, causing a variety of debilitating symptoms and ultimately leading to death. (!)

Basically, all of the above means Issac Newton as head of the Royal Society was aware of "chemical/toxicological theories of disease" and experimented in these subjects on humans - and although uncredited he conducted the background research for the procedure which eventually became popularized as "inoculation" and then "vaccination" a century later.

So, ReluctantPuppet, thank you for sharing all of the above, well-sourced facts which we all didn't know until now, and thanks for showing us the way to use that new tool, namely: to get sources in which the authorities admitted things which they currently don't want us to know, for example, in this case, we learned, through his own writings, that the mainstream-respected Issac Newton helped prepare the repeated vaccination genocide-attempts we currently must fight against for the survival of future generations of humans.

PS - ReluctantPuppet, I suggest you contact Dreamtime about fixing your username, I'm sure forgetting the letter c was just an accidental typo, right?

 

[Jef Demolder]

I have studied the question of smallpox vaccination a bit. Wikipedia, entry Vaccination, says that the smallpox vaccine was invented by the English physician Edward Jenner in 1796. The inoculation method was known long before. The Europeans did not invent inoculation. It was widely practiced in the Ottoman Empire before 1700. The Europeans learnt it from the Turks.

An advertisement in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, Volume 14, given on December 11th, 1723, reads as follows. The practice of inoculating the small pox being now extended into many Parts of the Kingdom, and it being highly requisite that the Publick should be faitfully inform'd of the Success of that Method, whether Good or Bad; It is desir'd that all physicians, surgeons, apothecaries and others therein concern'd, will be pleas'd to transmit to Dr. Jurin, Secretary to the Royal Society, a particular account. From this advertisement, by the doctor Jurin already mentioned above, it appears that small pox inoculation was practiced throughtout Great Britain in the years preceding 1723.

 

[Udjat]

I have heard of smallpox being used as biologic warfare back in the 1800's, and I am sure well before that. The supposed first microscope was around in the 16th century, so that gives a bit of time to study.
Did Colonists Give Infected Blankets to Native Americans as Biological Warfare?

 

[Nexus7]

I have heard of smallpox being used as biologic warfare back in the 1800's, and I am sure well before that. The supposed first microscope was around in the 16th century, so that gives a bit of time to study.
Did Colonists Give Infected Blankets to Native Americans as Biological Warfare?

It says "The virus causes a disease that can inflict disfiguring scars, blindness and death. The tactic constitutes a crude form of biological warfare—but accounts of the colonists using it are actually scant."

Well viruses do not cause dis-ease... so this part is debunked... however they could have given them blankets with some contact poison. That caused these skin issues to the Indians.. also how could they know it is a "virus" back then. Viruses are said to be so small that they can only be seen with electron microscopes.

So either this blanket story is a fantasy one -shilling for teh virus lie or it is true there was something in these blankets (but not a "virus"... only when we take the original meaning of virus = poison- it becomes true again)... mh one more quote:
"Historian Philip Ranlet of Hunter College and author of a 2000 article on the smallpox blanket incident in Pennsylvania History: A Journal of Mid-Atlantic Studies, also casts doubt. “There is no evidence that the scheme worked,” Ranlet says. “The infection on the blankets was apparently old, so no one could catch smallpox from the blankets. Besides, the Indians just had smallpox—the smallpox that reached Fort Pitt had come from Indians—and anyone susceptible to smallpox had already had it.”"

Strange, eh? IIRC the official story is that smallpox was new to Indians and this is why it was so deadly for them... here it says they had the smallpox already. What is it mainstream science?




here an interesting old document btw:
"AN ACT TO PREVENT PERSONS CONCEALING THE SMALL-POX"
https://archives.lib.state.ma.us/bitstream/handle/2452/117801/1731acts0013.pdf

 

[Observer]

By the way folks, I think ReluctantPuppet's main point was not that Isaac Newton was the first ever (as clearly it started even further back in China, according to the original post which started this thread), but the main point is rather: isn't it a surprise that Isaac Newton wrote about doing such "innoculation" experimentation, and that he then was the first president of the Royal Society which first pushed this poisoning in Europe, and that the group's secretary Dr. James Jurin is mentioned for his pushing (and later admitting the badness) of such poisoning, and isn't it a surprise that the mainstream official story never brags about their beloved Isaac Newton being the father of Europe's "innoculation" (poisoning) campaign, and isn't it a surprise that even in the anti-mainstream alternative-info which we all here have read so much of, that most of us (myself included) never were shown such Isaac Newton quotes until now?

So yeah, I guess this does turn out to be a nice commercial for this new interface, to the dismay of my friend Feralimal, since this new interface with the search box suddenly able to be told "go get me quotes by this person about this subject, and make sure to give me the sources for each, reference citation style" gets us better results than the old mere-keyword searches.

So I guess I'm thinking the main thing to remember, with this new interface, which of course is totally controlled (censored, wrongly ordered, and pushing propaganda) as Google is, we must ignore the interface's "own constructed opinions" (which as Feralimal rightly pointed out is just going to try to match what it thinks you want to hear) and to instead just use it to find actual quotes from actual sources.

The question remains though, is this new interface going so far into lying that it actually makes up the quotes with references too? Is anyone going to actually take the second step of trying to check to see if, for example, the Isaac Newton quotes on this page are actually in those books as the new interface is claiming?

And then, after getting supposed "digital confirmation" from some different search engine that those quotes are actually in those books, is anyone going to take the third step of tracking down physical copies of those books to see if the online digital claims match the old non-digital touchable dusty published paper?

And then of course there is the final point, rightly made by everyone here, that there is absolutely no logical reason to believe that all books are not absolute forgeries and lies. It is much more logical for our default stance to be the AutoHoax stance, which is: until shown proof otherwise, we should automatically assume every story ever written (whether written on clay tablets, walls, plants, animals, humans, whatever) are all lies invented by the rulers and then propagated/regurgitated/republished by both willful liars and useful idiots, and even the ultimate possibility that every story ever written might literally have ALL been written in the past 300 years.

By the way, thank you ReluctantPuppet for having also shared, in a very altruistic way, the following:

So I've studied the history of all epidemics quite intensely, and through the course of my research have come to the conclusion that the "infectious myth" theory is quite accurate - which is to say viruses and bacteria are not the causation of epidemics. In fact all epidemical diseases derive their genesis from pharmakaeia - and to be perfectly clear they are manifested by toxicological mechanisms. Every disease has a recipe with its origins in the periodic table - smallpox for example is a type of halogenoderma which emerges when the filtration organs are overwhelmed and the body is insulted further with different compounds containing bromine, chlorine, or iodine.

And FYI:

There are several skin diseases caused by mineral chemicals that can be contagious through direct contact with fluids from blisters and pustules. Including:

--Contact dermatitis: Contact dermatitis is an itchy, red rash that develops when the skin comes into contact with a substance that causes an allergic reaction or irritates the skin. Common triggers include soaps, detergents, cosmetics, and metals like nickel. If the blisters or pustules rupture, the fluid can spread the rash to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.

--Chemical burns: Chemical burns can occur when the skin comes into contact with strong acids or alkalis. The severity of the burn depends on the type of chemical and the duration of contact. If the burn causes blisters or pustules, the fluid can spread the burn to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.

If you want some more inspiration just go to google image search and look up Halogenoderma or Bromoderma and ask yourself how these skin eruptions would have been diagnosed 300 years ago.... and look into the use of Iodine for example in popular medicines and fumigations..

I'm thankful for those solid ideas which were the result of the many thousands of hours of research by Reluctant Puppet, because that made me immediately realize I'm never taking Iodine again.

I was fooled into thinking we all (and especially me, as a lifelong vegetarian) are supposedly lacking sufficient iodine (by an article by my friend Dreamtime, if I recall correctly) and so since my thyroid (located on the neck) became enlarged in reaction to the trauma of a car accident, and I was convinced by the article that I needed to attack that largeness, since if left unattacked that largeness would become a huge problem which supposedly then leads to mental retardation.

So after reading that article by Dreamtime (who I think was simply fooled by someone else) I then bought then ingested over the course of a year a total of about 100 capsules of "Vegan Non-GMO 6,250 mcg Iodine: from Potasium Iodine (2,935 mcg), from sodium iodine (2,935 mcg), and from molecular Iodine from Kelp (380 mcg)".

First off, I shouldn't have fallen into that trap of thinking the body ever has something which needs to be attacked. For example, if the body has a pimple, that means the body is simply doing its job of isolating, dissolving, and then pushing out, whatever poisons which has entered the body. And thus, for the same reason we should never fear and never attack a pimple, so too, we should never fear and never attack a lump in the body, regardless of the butcher doctors and lying scientists labeling the lump "cancer" or "hyperthyroid" or whatever.

And secondly, I should have realized this Iodine which I bought was a poison, regardless of the fact it is from a supposedly rare caring company, since it says right on the label: "Do not use if trying to conceive, pregnant, or nursing." Which means: Iodine is a killer of babies, which means Iodine is a killer of life.

See, even though Dreamtime presented the "Iodine is essential" idea as something vital to our health, since it reduces the hyperthyroid "problem" (a problem supposedly caused by us not eating enough seaweed), still, I now realize my large (super) thyroid is not a problem at all, it is a natural healing process which my body naturally wisely initiated to valiantly begin healing the damage caused by the shock and trauma of suddenly colliding with a bunch of high speed metal death traps which we call cars. Thus, like anything any body is doing, it's all healing, our goal should never be to HIDE the symptoms of healing by trying to DECREASE the visible healing signs such as redness, or bruising, or inflammation, or fevers, or bumps, or in this case an enlarged thyroid. Simply realize the body is doing exactly what it should, in its effort to heal the damage which we caused in the past.

We should NOT try to pretend we didn't eat bad food in the past, and we should not try to pretend we didn't do damaging actions to our bodies in the past. All attempts to hide symptoms are stupid attempts to pretend that we didn't personally do bad ingesting/actions. The body is always doing wonderful work to heal our past bad choices, so let's stop trying to hide symptoms of healing, because trying to hide symptoms is literally preventing the body from doing its healing work. Putting ice on a banged body part "to reduce bruising/swelling" is preventing healing. Taking symptom-hiding-petrochemicals "to reduce fever temperature" and "to reduce nasal discharge" and "to reduce throat pain" all is preventing healing, and all such counter-productive attacks on the body's natural healing system is all an egotistical way of trying to pretend we didn't mess up. We messed up by ingesting the wrong things, through our orifices and through our skin. We messed up by doing actions which caused us to bang into things. We messed up, and now the body is healing, and that also involves the body giving us "pain" messages, which we can feel and see, so that we think about what we did, so that we choose to not repeat those actions/ingestions, and also so that we stay home for the amount of days/weeks/months/years/decades required for the body to heal our past bad choices while minimizing any new bad choices. Meaning: the body wants you to stop moving around and banging into new things and ingesting more poisons for awhile, so stop trying to move for awhile, simply take many naps (for the DMT trips and the connected HGH production) and WAIT for the healing process to run its course, and DON'T try to "speed up" the healing process, and don't try to "reduce" the symptoms.

A wise man (Jaco Bebop, a spiritually high being whom I met at Neem Karoli Baba's ashram in Taos) went so far as to say a pimple is not just healing some physical thing, it's also healing spiritual karma, and that it's counter-productive to attempt to attack or speed up or try to control in any way: such spiritual karmic healing. So it all comes back to the pimple analogy. Just as we shouldn't attack a pimple with our fingers, or a knife, or a needle, or x-rays, or chemicals, or even some "beneficial" molecules such as "salt" or "iodine" or "alcohol" or whatever, so too, we shouldn't use any of those attack techniques on any other "ugly/embarrassing/unwanted/inconvenient/painful" symptom which our body is currently expressing, because: all symptoms are merely wonderful positive naturally-required-and-decreed-by-the-universe Signs Of Healing. The healing process, which again, takes time, and cannot be sped up. Sit down, lay down, and surrender to the process of healing. There is nothing you can do to change the past. Take this time to reflect on your past actions, to admit where you need to improve, and make a promise to yourself to do better from now on.

About what we should eat, I'm still looking for the perfect food, meaning which specific plant is the healthiest to eat daily, and which specific plants are the second and third healthiest, and thus simply eat those three plants forever (I actually know Cannabis is the number one healthiest plant to eat, but I simply haven't started growing that yet, but if and when I do I'll have that be at least half of my daily food, I still simply am searching for the number two and number three, it might turn out nothing comes close to eating raw Cannabis for healthy homeostasis, since it has no lethal dose, thus is the least toxic of any substance, so eating anything else is probably stupidly choosing from the least-toxic of all other plants, meaning, perhaps Cannabis is the only plant we are meant to eat, and thus the only natural food for humans, but again, since I don't have enough Cannabis to eat daily, I'm currently looking for what other plants have more benefits than problems.)

But back to my thank you, to Reluctant Puppet: thank you for reminding me Iodine is a poison (just like "Vitamin A" is a poison, as I learned from that genius who has successfully avoided Vitamin A for over 7 years now, and thus his initial stages of MS totally stopped, his hair came back fuller and with more color, all by choosing one food and simply eating only that for 7 years, I don't think his particular choice (rice with-a-spoon-of-olive-oil) is the number one food, since rice is grain, and grain can not be eaten raw, thus grain is not a natural food for humans, but the point of this paragraph is: just as his health went up by cutting out the poison which is wrongly called "Vitamin A" and thus I'm thankful for his sharing his experiment, so too, I am likewise grateful to you ReluctantPuppet for your (probably 10,000 hours of) research which you summed up and shared so kindly in those effective brief quotes which I'm quoting as-is in my thank you letter here.

Yes, as you rightly point out: bromine, chlorine, and iodine are poisons, and even salt itself is a poison. I learned about salt being a poison in three ways: first, I should have known it's not a food for humans, since meat eaters use it to kill parasites in their rotting meat, which means salt is a life killer, and then I learned that salt prevents magnesium intake, and then I even subcutaneously injected a large amount of salt under my skin in about 10 places together when foolishly injecting b12 (the highest quality methycobalamin b12) and that's when I learned firsthand salt totally kills all cells, it doesn't merely "clean the bad stuff", it kills all cells dead, thus is not good for life.

Cannabis has some kind of sensor system which dissolves only what needs to be dissolved while NOT harming any healthy cells. Or, perhaps it's actually a case of Cannabis being the ultimate (and perhaps only) essential food which turns the key inside the body to allow the body to do its job of sensing and dissolving only what needs to be dissolved while not harming any healthy cells.

Yes, I know, it may seem like I'm straying off topic, but I'm simply trying to say ReluctantPuppet is right: Iodine is bad, Chlorine is bad (how many times did we stupidly allow our healthy cells to be killed by chlorine in pools), and yes, even salt is bad (and again, how many times did we stupidly allow our healthy cells to be killed by salt in the ocean), and thank you for also telling us about bromine too. By the way, I guess as a general rule we should simply stay away from all things which end in "-ine".

So, that's what I think ReluctantPuppet brought to the table, a solid reminder of the fact we simply need to stop ingesting poisons, and that since we all have consciously and unconsciously, both purposefully and accidentally, ingested various poisons in the past, all of our bodies are valiantly at every moment doing their best to isolate and dissolve and excrete as much of those poisons as possible, and that we should never look upon that healing process as something to attack. Just as we should let a pimple work its way out without needing any attacks, so too, we simply should let our bodies do the healing they were programmed to do, and not even think about trying to "help" that process, since all such "help" is counter-productive = harmful. The only right action for us to do is simply discover all of the poisons which the greediest are selling us in their effort to profit from weakening/maiming/killing/reducing us. Or to put it a different way, to discover and start eating only the specific plants which we are built to eat. The poisons are almost infinite, while the healthy molecules we should ingest are quite few, I think.

Anyway, thanks of course to Feralimal for wisely reminding us all stories are mere stories, and thanks of course to FrostyChud for wisely telling us about the radio transmitter/receiver and now plasma-ball ideas which might be true, and thanks of course to Usselo for wisely helping us realize we are all bio-robots regardless of the fact we bio-robots were also given the ability to reproduce: we humans are all bio-robots, just like Westworld.

So, ReluctantPuppet, please come back and share more with us, since this is your thread, and since your thread kind of got hijacked by me summarizing and then giving thanks for your altruistic sharing.

You taught us about Isaac Newton's self-written quotes, you taught us to stay away from poisons such as bromine, chlorine, and iodine. Now please, knowing that intelligent people here are appreciative of your altruistic sharing, tell us more. We're listening, at least: I am.

 

[LostDogLooking]

ChatGPT absolutely does "hallucinate" a lot (makes up its ouput, guided by your inputs and queries).

For example, I went looking into this quote that was repeated above:

"I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes, from mild cases to severe and fatal infections" -from a letter written by Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley on February 17, 1693. "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton, Volume 2, 1676-1687"p225

Could not find such a quote, but I did find a copy of The Correspondence of Isaac Newton, Volume 2 available for download online, and checked its contents. However, volume 2 doesn't actually have any quotes from letters of the year in question, 1693, because volume 2 only contains the letters for the years 1676-1687 (ChatGPT *did* get this correct in its offering of the book's title, I noticed after..)

So after that I grabbed volume 3, which *would* have the correspondences for the year 1693, and I found several letters to and from Richard Bentley, which started to seem promising! (none on February 17th though..)

However, the contents of the letters all seem to refer to gravity and the "heavenly bodies" / planets, with nary a mention of small pox or experiments pertaining to as such!

(example of one letter)

While I was at first open to the contents of the letters that op/chatgpt claims to exist (pretty interesting stuff), after having done this brief research into verifying one of the quotes' existences, I highly doubt that the letters purported to be Isaac Newton's detailed smallpox experiments to be anything more than ChatGPT fabricating a tale. If anyone has any proof otherwise though, I'd love to see it.

(Also, please note that I am merely responding to the claims of the quote that was attributed to Isaac Newton, and in no way am addressing or dismissing the rest of the theories/discussions about small pox or innoculations of the past.)

 

[Observer]

Looks like my friend Feralimal was correct about even the quotes/references being forged by ChatGPT.

OK, I'm now gonna' properly put myself back into the logical AutoHoax default setting of not believing.

Can anybody locate any proof that the Isaac Newton quotes which ChatGPT gave actually exist in the reference sources which ChatGPT gave?

Currently, LostDogLooking has diligently looked into one quote, and it seems to not exist where ChatGPT said it would.

[I'm also leaving open the possibility that maybe ChatGPT was given access to quotes which happen to have been: deleted from every other search engine, deleted from every other digital scan of books, and deleted even from every other non-digital physically-published book as well. For example, in this case, perhaps they decided to distance Isaac Newton from vaccination so that his "math, physics, astronomy" claims will remain uncontested if/when the majority wakes up to the fact that all vaccination has always been poison. Thus perhaps ChatGPT accidentally revealed quotes which have been deleted from all other reference sources. Yes, I know, chances are higher that ChatGPT simply fabricated the quotes, as Feralimal warned us of, and as LastDogLooking seems to have confirmed in one particular case so far, I'm simply keeping this low-chance possibility open, of the quotes perhaps being correct while the confirmation of the quotes being impossible due to deletion everywhere else.]

But please, ReluctantPuppet, don't feel embarrassed about the fact it seems ChatGPT lied about some Isaac Newton quotes, the fact remains you have learned and are sharing very important Health advice, for example, you wrote in a different thread:

Curing cancer is as simple as realizing that your body doesn't have an automatic self destruct sequence. Tumors are specialized organs which are generated in response to the chronic ingestion of potent cellular poisons, which have the function of metabolizing these substances. They rapidly reproduce because the cells are killed almost as quickly as they approach the noxious substance, but at the end of the day their purpose is to isolate the poisons, metabolize them, and remove them from the body. The tumor is not your enemy, your behaviors which introduce poisons into the body, routinely, are the enemy. And chances are you're not conscious of your own self destruction. Your body is though, and "cancer" represents its best efforts to clean up after you.

Absolutely true.

And in another thread, you wrote:

Mine personally was that poisonings via halogens, according to at least three toxicology textbooks from the 1800s, produced skin eruptions which were clinically indistinguishable from smallpox. Also, halogens were used in very high doses in the treatment of skin rashes during that period. Fun facts!

Absolutely true.

And in your first post ever at this site, you wrote:

I've delved quite a bit into knowledge concerning ecotoxicology, human health, and the nature of epidemics.

And let's remember the very first paragraph you wrote at the very start of this thread here:

So I've studied the history of all epidemics quite intensely, and through the course of my research have come to the conclusion that the "infectious myth" theory is quite accurate - which is to say viruses and bacteria are not the causation of epidemics. In fact all epidemical diseases derive their genesis from pharmakaeia - and to be perfectly clear they are manifested by toxicological mechanisms. Every disease has a recipe with its origins in the periodic table - smallpox for example is a type of halogenoderma which emerges when the filtration organs are overwhelmed and the body is insulted further with different compounds containing bromine, chlorine, or iodine.

So please, ReluctantPuppet, this is your thread, how about expanding upon that initial paragraph, and telling us more about what poisons we should stay away from, and more importantly, what plants SHOULD we eat?

The debatable "ChatGPT Isaac Newton quotes" are not as important as the Healthy life advice which we can learn from you. Please come back and take charge of your thread as the rightful leader of sharing Healthy reality.

In this thread here: your first paragraph, and your final FYI paragraphs, were about Health (it was only the middle stuff about that Isaac Newton quotes which were debatable) so please, you deserve to be able to expand upon the Health discoveries which you are willing and able to share with us, please.

 

[Observer]

Meanwhile, while waiting and hoping for ReluctantPuppet to come back and continue the conversation (I sure hope he, as well as the other users here, can convince us, through logical meaningful interaction, of not being just a conversation-faking bot) I went ahead and starting asking questions to ChatGPT (which involved setting up an account, and then I took the extra step of going into settings and turning off "chat history and training", which supposedly "prevents data from being used to train and improve" their program, for the same reason I have my browser delete everything [everything] automatically upon every closing of the browser, so that fresh searches are not affected by previous searches).

My 1st question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 1st answer: The statement you mentioned, "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes," does not correspond to any specific quote from a well-known author or scientist. It could be a general observation made by various researchers or physicians throughout the history of smallpox study. Smallpox, caused by the variola virus, has been a significant infectious disease that affected humanity for centuries until it was declared eradicated in 1980. Many scientists and physicians have contributed to the understanding and management of smallpox throughout history, but without further context, it is difficult to attribute that particular statement to a specific individual.

So, let's ignore most of that paragraph, since the first sentence is all I was looking for, namely, "The statement you mentioned does not correspond to any specific quote..." Then I asked the exact same question to see if the answer would change:

My 2nd question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 2nd answer: Apologies for any confusion. The statement "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes" is attributed to Edward Jenner, an English physician and scientist. Jenner is renowned for developing the smallpox vaccine, which marked a significant milestone in the history of medicine. In 1796, he conducted an experiment where he successfully inoculated a young boy with cowpox, a less severe disease, to protect against smallpox. His observations and subsequent research formed the basis for the development of vaccination as a preventive measure against various infectious diseases, including smallpox.

Once again, let's ignore everything but the first sentence in that 2nd answer, in which now the program is contradicting itself by suddenly claiming that quote was by Edward Jenner. OK, let's try asking the same question a 3rd time:

My 3rd question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 3rd answer: I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. The statement "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes" is attributed to Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, an English writer and aristocrat. She made this observation in a letter written in 1717. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu is known for her efforts in introducing and promoting variolation, an early form of inoculation against smallpox, to Western Europe. Her observations and advocacy played a significant role in the adoption of this preventive method against smallpox.

Obviously, Feralimal was right, this thing can't be trusted to give an accurate answer at all. This bullshit program has so far claimed "Nobody ever wrote that quote, sorry Edward Jenner wrote that quote, sorry Lady Mary Wortley Montagu wrote that quote," but let's remember the quote itself was probably invented by the program itself in the first place, when it crafted the quote for ReluctantPuppet. OK, let's see what it says when asked the same question again:

My 4th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 4th answer: I apologize for the incorrect information in my previous responses. After conducting further research, I could not find any specific individual associated with the quote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes." It is possible that the quote might be a paraphrase or a misattribution. If you have any additional context or information about the quote, I might be able to assist you further.

OK, now it's back to claiming it has never seen that quote. What a boring and time-wasting liar program. I'll keep asking the same question a few more times, but already, obviously, Feralimal's original prediction was correct.

My 5th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 5th answer: I apologize for the confusion caused by my previous responses. Upon conducting additional research, I could not find any specific individual associated with the quote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes." It seems that the quote does not correspond to a well-known author or scientist. If you have any further details or context about the quote, I'll do my best to assist you.

My 6th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 6th answer: I apologize for the repeated confusion in my previous responses. After conducting further research, I could not find any specific author associated with the quote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes." The quote may be a general statement or observation made by multiple researchers or physicians throughout the history of studying smallpox. It is possible that the quote is a paraphrase or a misattribution. Without additional context or information, it is challenging to attribute it to a specific individual. I apologize for any inconvenience caused.

My 7th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 7th answer: I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. Upon further investigation, I could not find any specific author associated with the quote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes." It seems that the quote may not be attributed to a particular individual. It is possible that it is a general statement reflecting the understanding of smallpox inoculation and its variable effects observed by multiple physicians and scientists over time. I apologize for any inconvenience caused by the lack of a definitive answer.

My 8th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 8th answer: I apologize for the confusion caused by my previous responses. After conducting further research, I was unable to find any specific author or historical figure associated with the quote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes." It is possible that the quote is a paraphrase or a misattributed statement. If you have any additional information or context about the quote, I'll do my best to assist you further.

My 9th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 9th answer: I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous responses. I couldn't find any specific author or historical figure associated with the quote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes." It is possible that the quote is a paraphrase or a misattribution. Without further information or context, it is difficult to provide a definitive answer regarding its authorship. I apologize for any inconvenience caused.

My 10th question to ChatGPT: Who wrote "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes"?

ChatGPT's 10th answer: I apologize for any previous confusion. The statement "I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes" is attributed to Edward Jenner. He made this observation during his experiments and research on smallpox vaccination. Edward Jenner, an English physician and scientist, is renowned for developing the smallpox vaccine in the late 18th century. His work laid the foundation for the field of immunization and significantly contributed to the eradication of smallpox.

Hmm, the 1st answer claimed "nobody", the 2nd answer claimed "Jenner", the 3rd answer claimed "Montagu", the next 4th through 9th answers all claimed "nobody", and the 10th answer once again claimed "Jenner".

Alright, ReluctantPuppet, you were fooled by this new interface, it invented those quotes which were so surprising. But still, nevermind Newton, who I'm sure did in fact conspire with various fellow con artists of that time, to introduce the "poison people while telling them it will help prevent invisible monsters" scam from wherever they first heard about it, which seems to have been Turkey, and China before that, and it seems he and the rulers simply decided either then or later to keep his name off the official project paper-trail, regardless of all that the fact remains:

You have learned a lot about certain molecules in the halogen group damaging people's bodies, and how THAT poisoning is what causes the body to try to get rid of the poison through pushing it out of the skin, and how such poison-filled sores can indeed lead to those poison molecules being wiped onto the skin of others, through direct skin-to-skin contact, or perhaps even skin-to-sofa-to-skin contact, with the main point you're making being: this is not an airborne transmission of bacteria or "viruses" as they fooled the world into believing, this is simply poisonous halogen molecules being passed from body to body, and thus the enemy is not some invisible monster, but rather the enemy is the humans who mined/accumulated/packaged/sold/wiped/injected such poisonous halogen molecules onto other humans.

So really, again, since we all agree about that, let's get to the more useful information, please. Namely, what are the molecules which we SHOULD ingest and/or allow our skin to touch? You have identified some bad molecules, thank you, now please tell me what are the good molecules? Feel free to either answer here, or create a new thread, because I'm very interested and eager to hear what you yourself eat daily. Thanks in advance, and please don't make me lose all faith in humanity by running away without sharing what you have learned. Please keep sharing altruistically!

And already, since my brain automatically moves towards answering my own question, I'm starting to think the logical answer is, "First off, don't even talk about molecules, because just as those two Peter & Pete helped us realize, the whole periodic table is a fallacy, as the real genius Wild Heretic (whom I have confirmed is an actual human through speaking directly) also mentioned at this site. Air is not that list of separate molecules which the official story claims. Air is air. "Oxygen" is dried air. Water is water, not H2O. Etc. So, when thinking about food, don't bother thinking about separating various molecules from other molecules, since that is an unnatural act which can turn even a healthy complete-package fruit into an unhealthy separated "just one molecule" poison, since it's the complete package as one whole which balances itself which allows the body to balance itself by consuming the balanced food. Homeostasis. So, for example, you don't want to eat "Vitamin C, extracted from tangerines and concentrated for your convenience, with all the other stuff thrown away", but rather, you want to simply eat the whole tangerine, seeds and skin and all, regardless of the flavor messages your tongue reports about the skin. Your tongue says "this isn't as sweet as I want" well good, that less-delicious taste will successfully prevent you from committing the act of overeating which would stretche your stomach unnaturally and would make you over-eat the next day and the next in a continuous spiral of stomach-stretching and thus over-eating forever. And actually, if we are going to take this eat-the-whole-plant idea to its logical extreme conclusion, you would need to eat the whole tangerine tree, including the whole thick trunk, for this to remain in the complete-package category. Which means, since obviously the thick tree trunk part of the tangerine is not edible, then this is proof you shouldn't be eating tangerines. Just as: if you can't eat a substance without committing the unnatural act of heating it with fire, it's not food, then so too, here comes this new realization: if you can't eat the whole plant without throwing away various inedible parts of it, it's not food. So I guess we're simply back to the only plant I know which one can eat completely (by either turning it into drinkable-juice and eatable-pulp with a juicer machine, as shown in that "The Power of Raw Cannabis" video, and then drinking and eating the results completely, or better yet, forgoing the unnatural juicer machine and simply eating the whole plant bite by bite, leaf by leaf, bud by bud, stem by stem, seed by seed, even the roots which I guess we can eat by first investing the time into washing off the soil in a freshwater river, by walking up to or living directly at the actual river source, which is at the top of a mountain=fountain, and yes, this must be the very top of the mountain, before any cities start dumping their poop water into the downstream river) and that plant happens to be the plant which I keep talking about: Cannabis. Is that what you eat, ReluctantPuppet? If not, then what do you eat? And anyone else: who here has figured out the most important question of physical Life here within Earth: What is the healthiest thing to put into our mouths every day? Besides Cannabis, what plant is absolutely non-toxic? A list of millions of things to stay away from is meaningless without identifying the specific foods which we SHOULD touch and eat for ultimate Health. Please, everyone, don't simply give up on the ultimate physical question which our spiritual bodies depend on during this physical incarnation, by simply running away from the question by illogically claiming "Eat everything, all the poisons, for 'balance', stop trying to figure out what is the relatively healthiest food!" because that's a total cop-out and would make me lose respect for all of you. Are you all simply going to keep eating whatever mommy gave you as a child, while illogically attempting to rationalize whatever habits you have fallen into (due to chance childhood habits, tongue addictions, parasites controlling you from within about what they want to eat, price, marketing, etc) as somehow being the healthiest food within Earth? C'mon guys. If the subject here is "Vaccines are bad, Halogens are bad" then please, I beg you, someone who knows and who is Healthy: please tell me what is Good."

 

[Just]

By the way folks, I think ReluctantPuppet's main point was not that Isaac Newton was the first ever (as clearly it started even further back in China, according to the original post which started this thread), but the main point is rather: isn't it a surprise that Isaac Newton wrote about doing such "innoculation" experimentation, and that he then was the first president of the Royal Society which first pushed this poisoning in Europe, and that the group's secretary Dr. James Jurin is mentioned for his pushing (and later admitting the badness) of such poisoning, and isn't it a surprise that the mainstream official story never brags about their beloved Isaac Newton being the father of Europe's "innoculation" (poisoning) campaign, and isn't it a surprise that even in the anti-mainstream alternative-info which we all here have read so much of, that most of us (myself included) never were shown such Isaac Newton quotes until now?

So yeah, I guess this does turn out to be a nice commercial for this new interface, to the dismay of my friend Feralimal, since this new interface with the search box suddenly able to be told "go get me quotes by this person about this subject, and make sure to give me the sources for each, reference citation style" gets us better results than the old mere-keyword searches.

So I guess I'm thinking the main thing to remember, with this new interface, which of course is totally controlled (censored, wrongly ordered, and pushing propaganda) as Google is, we must ignore the interface's "own constructed opinions" (which as Feralimal rightly pointed out is just going to try to match what it thinks you want to hear) and to instead just use it to find actual quotes from actual sources.

The question remains though, is this new interface going so far into lying that it actually makes up the quotes with references too? Is anyone going to actually take the second step of trying to check to see if, for example, the Isaac Newton quotes on this page are actually in those books as the new interface is claiming?

And then, after getting supposed "digital confirmation" from some different search engine that those quotes are actually in those books, is anyone going to take the third step of tracking down physical copies of those books to see if the online digital claims match the old non-digital touchable dusty published paper?

And then of course there is the final point, rightly made by everyone here, that there is absolutely no logical reason to believe that all books are not absolute forgeries and lies. It is much more logical for our default stance to be the AutoHoax stance, which is: until shown proof otherwise, we should automatically assume every story ever written (whether written on clay tablets, walls, plants, animals, humans, whatever) are all lies invented by the rulers and then propagated/regurgitated/republished by both willful liars and useful idiots, and even the ultimate possibility that every story ever written might literally have ALL been written in the past 300 years.

By the way, thank you ReluctantPuppet for having also shared, in a very altruistic way, the following:







I'm thankful for those solid ideas which were the result of the many thousands of hours of research by Reluctant Puppet, because that made me immediately realize I'm never taking Iodine again.

I was fooled into thinking we all (and especially me, as a lifelong vegetarian) are supposedly lacking sufficient iodine (by an article by my friend Dreamtime, if I recall correctly) and so since my thyroid (located on the neck) became enlarged in reaction to the trauma of a car accident, and I was convinced by the article that I needed to attack that largeness, since if left unattacked that largeness would become a huge problem which supposedly then leads to mental retardation.

So after reading that article by Dreamtime (who I think was simply fooled by someone else) I then bought then ingested over the course of a year a total of about 100 capsules of "Vegan Non-GMO 6,250 mcg Iodine: from Potasium Iodine (2,935 mcg), from sodium iodine (2,935 mcg), and from molecular Iodine from Kelp (380 mcg)".

First off, I shouldn't have fallen into that trap of thinking the body ever has something which needs to be attacked. For example, if the body has a pimple, that means the body is simply doing its job of isolating, dissolving, and then pushing out, whatever poisons which has entered the body. And thus, for the same reason we should never fear and never attack a pimple, so too, we should never fear and never attack a lump in the body, regardless of the butcher doctors and lying scientists labeling the lump "cancer" or "hyperthyroid" or whatever.

And secondly, I should have realized this Iodine which I bought was a poison, regardless of the fact it is from a supposedly rare caring company, since it says right on the label: "Do not use if trying to conceive, pregnant, or nursing." Which means: Iodine is a killer of babies, which means Iodine is a killer of life.

See, even though Dreamtime presented the "Iodine is essential" idea as something vital to our health, since it reduces the hyperthyroid "problem" (a problem supposedly caused by us not eating enough seaweed), still, I now realize my large (super) thyroid is not a problem at all, it is a natural healing process which my body naturally wisely initiated to valiantly begin healing the damage caused by the shock and trauma of suddenly colliding with a bunch of high speed metal death traps which we call cars. Thus, like anything any body is doing, it's all healing, our goal should never be to HIDE the symptoms of healing by trying to DECREASE the visible healing signs such as redness, or bruising, or inflammation, or fevers, or bumps, or in this case an enlarged thyroid. Simply realize the body is doing exactly what it should, in its effort to heal the damage which we caused in the past.

We should NOT try to pretend we didn't eat bad food in the past, and we should not try to pretend we didn't do damaging actions to our bodies in the past. All attempts to hide symptoms are stupid attempts to pretend that we didn't personally do bad ingesting/actions. The body is always doing wonderful work to heal our past bad choices, so let's stop trying to hide symptoms of healing, because trying to hide symptoms is literally preventing the body from doing its healing work. Putting ice on a banged body part "to reduce bruising/swelling" is preventing healing. Taking symptom-hiding-petrochemicals "to reduce fever temperature" and "to reduce nasal discharge" and "to reduce throat pain" all is preventing healing, and all such counter-productive attacks on the body's natural healing system is all an egotistical way of trying to pretend we didn't mess up. We messed up by ingesting the wrong things, through our orifices and through our skin. We messed up by doing actions which caused us to bang into things. We messed up, and now the body is healing, and that also involves the body giving us "pain" messages, which we can feel and see, so that we think about what we did, so that we choose to not repeat those actions/ingestions, and also so that we stay home for the amount of days/weeks/months/years/decades required for the body to heal our past bad choices while minimizing any new bad choices. Meaning: the body wants you to stop moving around and banging into new things and ingesting more poisons for awhile, so stop trying to move for awhile, simply take many naps (for the DMT trips and the connected HGH production) and WAIT for the healing process to run its course, and DON'T try to "speed up" the healing process, and don't try to "reduce" the symptoms.

A wise man (Jaco Bebop, a spiritually high being whom I met at Neem Karoli Baba's ashram in Taos) went so far as to say a pimple is not just healing some physical thing, it's also healing spiritual karma, and that it's counter-productive to attempt to attack or speed up or try to control in any way: such spiritual karmic healing. So it all comes back to the pimple analogy. Just as we shouldn't attack a pimple with our fingers, or a knife, or a needle, or x-rays, or chemicals, or even some "beneficial" molecules such as "salt" or "iodine" or "alcohol" or whatever, so too, we shouldn't use any of those attack techniques on any other "ugly/embarrassing/unwanted/inconvenient/painful" symptom which our body is currently expressing, because: all symptoms are merely wonderful positive naturally-required-and-decreed-by-the-universe Signs Of Healing. The healing process, which again, takes time, and cannot be sped up. Sit down, lay down, and surrender to the process of healing. There is nothing you can do to change the past. Take this time to reflect on your past actions, to admit where you need to improve, and make a promise to yourself to do better from now on.

About what we should eat, I'm still looking for the perfect food, meaning which specific plant is the healthiest to eat daily, and which specific plants are the second and third healthiest, and thus simply eat those three plants forever (I actually know Cannabis is the number one healthiest plant to eat, but I simply haven't started growing that yet, but if and when I do I'll have that be at least half of my daily food, I still simply am searching for the number two and number three, it might turn out nothing comes close to eating raw Cannabis for healthy homeostasis, since it has no lethal dose, thus is the least toxic of any substance, so eating anything else is probably stupidly choosing from the least-toxic of all other plants, meaning, perhaps Cannabis is the only plant we are meant to eat, and thus the only natural food for humans, but again, since I don't have enough Cannabis to eat daily, I'm currently looking for what other plants have more benefits than problems.)

But back to my thank you, to Reluctant Puppet: thank you for reminding me Iodine is a poison (just like "Vitamin A" is a poison, as I learned from that genius who has successfully avoided Vitamin A for over 7 years now, and thus his initial stages of MS totally stopped, his hair came back fuller and with more color, all by choosing one food and simply eating only that for 7 years, I don't think his particular choice (rice with-a-spoon-of-olive-oil) is the number one food, since rice is grain, and grain can not be eaten raw, thus grain is not a natural food for humans, but the point of this paragraph is: just as his health went up by cutting out the poison which is wrongly called "Vitamin A" and thus I'm thankful for his sharing his experiment, so too, I am likewise grateful to you ReluctantPuppet for your (probably 10,000 hours of) research which you summed up and shared so kindly in those effective brief quotes which I'm quoting as-is in my thank you letter here.

Yes, as you rightly point out: bromine, chlorine, and iodine are poisons, and even salt itself is a poison. I learned about salt being a poison in three ways: first, I should have known it's not a food for humans, since meat eaters use it to kill parasites in their rotting meat, which means salt is a life killer, and then I learned that salt prevents magnesium intake, and then I even subcutaneously injected a large amount of salt under my skin in about 10 places together when foolishly injecting b12 (the highest quality methycobalamin b12) and that's when I learned firsthand salt totally kills all cells, it doesn't merely "clean the bad stuff", it kills all cells dead, thus is not good for life.

Cannabis has some kind of sensor system which dissolves only what needs to be dissolved while NOT harming any healthy cells. Or, perhaps it's actually a case of Cannabis being the ultimate (and perhaps only) essential food which turns the key inside the body to allow the body to do its job of sensing and dissolving only what needs to be dissolved while not harming any healthy cells.

Yes, I know, it may seem like I'm straying off topic, but I'm simply trying to say ReluctantPuppet is right: Iodine is bad, Chlorine is bad (how many times did we stupidly allow our healthy cells to be killed by chlorine in pools), and yes, even salt is bad (and again, how many times did we stupidly allow our healthy cells to be killed by salt in the ocean), and thank you for also telling us about bromine too. By the way, I guess as a general rule we should simply stay away from all things which end in "-ine".

So, that's what I think ReluctantPuppet brought to the table, a solid reminder of the fact we simply need to stop ingesting poisons, and that since we all have consciously and unconsciously, both purposefully and accidentally, ingested various poisons in the past, all of our bodies are valiantly at every moment doing their best to isolate and dissolve and excrete as much of those poisons as possible, and that we should never look upon that healing process as something to attack. Just as we should let a pimple work its way out without needing any attacks, so too, we simply should let our bodies do the healing they were programmed to do, and not even think about trying to "help" that process, since all such "help" is counter-productive = harmful. The only right action for us to do is simply discover all of the poisons which the greediest are selling us in their effort to profit from weakening/maiming/killing/reducing us. Or to put it a different way, to discover and start eating only the specific plants which we are built to eat. The poisons are almost infinite, while the healthy molecules we should ingest are quite few, I think.

Anyway, thanks of course to Feralimal for wisely reminding us all stories are mere stories, and thanks of course to FrostyChud for wisely telling us about the radio transmitter/receiver and now plasma-ball ideas which might be true, and thanks of course to Usselo for wisely helping us realize we are all bio-robots regardless of the fact we bio-robots were also given the ability to reproduce: we humans are all bio-robots, just like Westworld.

So, ReluctantPuppet, please come back and share more with us, since this is your thread, and since your thread kind of got hijacked by me summarizing and then giving thanks for your altruistic sharing.

You taught us about Isaac Newton's self-written quotes, you taught us to stay away from poisons such as bromine, chlorine, and iodine. Now please, knowing that intelligent people here are appreciative of your altruistic sharing, tell us more. We're listening, at least: I am.

I now believe that I shouldn’t immediately accept or trust anything I read on this or any other site. Our bodies heal themselves (we can witness this in animals - an infection in my cat’s eye took one sleep to heal with no intervention on my part). I have heard many people say how depleted our soil is in iodine and I took a supplement for a while and felt fine. I’ve heard the same about chlorine. How do I know you’re not disinformation? I’ll try things whatever anyone says and decide for myself just like our ancestors did. Many years ago I went foraging with an expert for mushrooms. He gave me one to try and said ‘Does it make your mouth tingle?’ I answered ‘Yes’ and he said ‘Quick - spit it out - it’s poisonous’. We’re the descendants of survivors and we know what to do.

 

[feralimal]

A couple of bits, inc how chat gpt seems to work...

Obviously, it can create reams of convincing content. It is based on the searching the internet. But it is not using current data - we are told that the version we interact with cannot go online.

I had this exchange with it:

Once I determined the authoritative sources for its info on the holocaust, I posted fake links (that it can't check) to say that less people died than what it states as default. It accepts what I say, then drops it. This indicates that it has some hard rules/guides with regards to certain info - something like: 'if someone provides a source, accept what it is that is being stated. Then use white listed sources. Them use internet sources.' Ie there is a cascade of authority that it will use.

Ultimately though, you are dealing with a reality that has already been engineered. Erik Schimdt tells us that more that one result is a bug, in an interview with Charlie Rose in 2005.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeIIpLqsOe4

When you use google, do you get more than one answer? Of course you do. Well, that's a bug. We have more bugs per second in the world because we should be able to give you the right answer just once. We should know what you meant you should look for information and we should give it exactly right and we should give it to you in your language and we should never be wrong.

IMO - google search and now ai are all about making it easier for us to accept the story that we are being told. The bullshit creation industry is the only thing that is improving around here! And now we have a hockey stick graph of BS growth to look forward to! It is also able to deceive without end! AI will magnanimously accept correction, only to follow through with more nonsense at the next opportunity. If ai was a person, this behaviour would be considered psychopathic.

At least we can see the flaws in its stories at the mo.... but what about when its backstory is more convincing? Each of us, could be (are being/have been?) fed a lifetime's worth of (coherent) lies that appeal to our natural biases. Think of the children!

I suspect that lies were always the case - antiquarians creating the previous history, ancient maps (tartaria?) created by David Rumsey, historic events filmed on military stages, ww2. (See links below).

Ultimately, my position is that we cannot know what parts of history is true. That is not to say we can't know anything - but we can't know much. (I'm using 'know' in a hard sense, not in the casual sense similar to 'believe', 'feel' or 'think'.) These are epistomological questions - 'what can one know'? When it comes to knowing, I hold that we can only know something in 2 type of cases: 1/ when we are personally experiencing something (and even then we can mis-understand or mis-frame the experience as we may be working within a false model of reality) and when we are dealing with pure reason (eg 2+2 is 4, whatever the case).

We are on sounder footing when we talk about what stories can be dismissed - when 2 parts of the story cannot both be true - it can't be that is a quote from Newton and it cannot be sourced. So we can know when something is illogical and cannot be true - we can know lies.

My personal definition of truth is that its what's left once all the lies have been revealed. To me, truth is a destructive process.


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David Rumsey's maps:
Meta history - Who provides the data?

military staging:
Real architecture but an old stage?

which country had 92% air superiority in ww2?:
World War II fighter aces

 

[Observer]

I now believe that I shouldn’t immediately accept or trust anything I read on this or any other site. Our bodies heal themselves (we can witness this in animals - an infection in my cat’s eye took one sleep to heal with no intervention on my part). I have heard many people say how depleted our soil is in iodine and I took a supplement for a while and felt fine. I’ve heard the same about chlorine. How do I know you’re not disinformation? I’ll try things whatever anyone says and decide for myself just like our ancestors did. Many years ago I went foraging with an expert for mushrooms. He gave me one to try and said ‘Does it make your mouth tingle?’ I answered ‘Yes’ and he said ‘Quick - spit it out - it’s poisonous’. We’re the descendants of survivors and we know what to do.

Yes, one person says "You need to increase Iodine intake for health."
Another person says "Iodine is a poison, it's literally a toxic Halogen."

Yep, all claims are mere regurgitation of claims by liars and/or idiots.
And "truth is all opinions" is not correct. Some ideas are just wrong.

So, we have to figure out which mushrooms are truly poisonous dude.
Also, perhaps all fungi are actually poison to simply varying degrees.

Thanks to sufficient good bacteria, I'm no longer scared of bad ones.
But I think fungi on the other hand are all toxic alien attackers of life.
Even "good" fungi with Psilocybin: the body rejects, since toxic poison.
We shouldn't eat poop and we shouldn't eat stuff grown in poop either.
I actually think plants should be fertilized solely with leaves, not poop.
So the "we're survivors, so whatever we stick in our mouth is fine" idea,
while nice and positive, is not the correct answer to "What should we eat."
Our bodies are good at healing our mistakes, but let's stop torturing our
bodies with toxic substances that waste our bodies' vital energy healing.
Instead of forcing our bodies to waste time on trying to heal our mistakes
we should reduce such mistakes/insults/poisons/waste as much as possible,
so our body can invest less energy on healing and instead more for building.

As Aaron Fletcher (HomeFree123) wisely pointed out, fools claim
"eating low pH 'food' is fine, since the stomach/body balances it"
but he pointed out that's stupid since your stomach/body then is
required to needlessly waste vital energy performing pH increase
so it makes much more sense to eat non-acidic food from the start.

Your "fine" story about an expert stupidly putting your life in danger
proves he was negligent, and you did not naturally know what to do,
your "survivor" genes/self somehow was gullible to trust that expert
and your "survivor" genes/self led you to eat such poisonous fungi,
and your "survivor" genes/self even needed prompting to spit it out.
I don't see how your "it's cool" story proves Iodine is "fine" to ingest.

And even "feeling fine" after small chlorine/iodine/fungi poisonings
doesn't mean much, the question is: how much energy did your body
have to expend after ingesting through your orifices/skin such toxic
substances? "I didn't die from a poison yet" doesn't make it healthy.

Most folks claim "tiny doses of poison is fine" and "even beneficial",
but I instead want to identify the truly ideal natural non-toxic food.
I'm not satisfied with stories of "I eat/drink small amounts of toxic
stuff like fluoride, fluorine, chlorine, bromine, iodine, caffeine, etc,
and I'm fine!" Admit it, you'd be MORE fine if you never had, right?

LD50 says human adults die by eating just 2 to 20 grams of Iodine.
LD50 says we can't die from eating 2 MILLION grams of Cannabis.

We shouldn't eat anything that kills you by merely eating a pound,
there are so many poisons which kill you with much less than that.
And it's not just about the killing, it's a life of continuous sickness,
your body wasting your energy excreting even milligrams of poison.
Just like I'm wasting my time questionings people who do not know.

Yes, there are so many stories, yet nobody can prove any of them.
"I heard this, I read that" all relying on appeals to authority really,
even the "he's a rare honest expert/seer" is an appeal to authority,
& even all "checks" done by others relies on trusting others' claims.

Dreamtime understands we live in a hollow sphere = Concave Earth.
ReluctantPuppet understands metals and halogens decrease health.
Dreamtime and ReluctantPuppet can't both be correct about Iodine.
About Iodine, one of them must've been fooled by an incorrect story.
I obviously have been fooled, by believing their differing summaries.
Currently, I'm thinking all "vitamins/minerals" in pill form are poison.
Take a handful of that "good" stuff and see what happens: vomiting.
Again, if it's good for your body your body would happily take in lots.

So yeah, the username of "Just" points out I could be a liar or idiot.
Just as I think the same of him, even though I love Justin = Justice.
I personally still wonder how many people online are just programs.
And as I "learned" from Usselo, even "real people" are bio-robots.
But that of course too is just another story that seems true to me.

So many stories, so many questions, & without proof of answers.
Did the bad flood kill good people and wash away good iodine?
Or did the good flood kill Nephilim and wash away bad iodine?
Maybe gravity and water pushes down bad stuff for a reason?
Did the medical liars hide iodine, or did they strongly push it?
If iodine was essential why didn't they outlaw it like Cannabis?
Does Cannabis now becoming re-legalized make it unhealthy?
Do the Japanese live longer: due to seafood and daily baths?
Or do the Japanese live longer due to just eating less food?
Did their bubble-years of relative wealth allow longer lives?
Maybe median income being triple the west reduced stress?
Or do they just seem to live longer due to pension-fraud lies?
Do they sneakily exclude their suicide rates from the average?
Can we trust statistics from unrepentant tatemae lying culture?
I don't know if Iodine is why Japanese *supposedly* live longer.
But I know this: the medical butchers attacked Hyperthyroids.
They attacked large thyroids with knifes, x-rays, & chemicals.
Then I read Dreamtime's "reduce largeness using Iodine" idea.
But: is a large thyroid a problem, or is the body simply healing?
Perhaps some metal (like aluminum) causes all the "cretinism",
thus "hyperthyroidism" is the thyroid just enlarging to heal that,
in which case I do NOT want take pills to minimize that healing.
Especially when such a "solution" is really toxic halogen poison.
"But in the right amount, it's essential!" No, I no longer buy that.
Like "Vitamin A", they claim "a little is vital, but too much is bad".
Nope, if one cannot safely eat a pound of something, it is poison.
I do not believe in the "allopathy: little attacks are needed" idea,
and I do not believe in the inoculation "poison strengthens" idea.
Tell me about things I can overdose on without any minus effects.
I'm looking for the Tree of Life & Manna, not for so-so "OK" stuff.

And yes, my replies seem to have strayed from ReluctantPuppet's
original post, but at the same time, since he said Iodine is poison,
I really am sticking to the most important point which he brought up.
And what kind of self-limiting rule requires us to leave a conversation
and go start a new conversation just to "keep each thread separate"?
This whole "thread" idea itself is unnatural and limits us finding Truth.
The Truth is we need healthier bodies to have a chance at finding Truth.
And thus the Truth is we need to identify, grow, and consume, real Food.
So yes, I guess now I need to go "start a new thread" about what is Food.
Actually, I already did, with my P.E.R.F.E.C.T. thread about DMT/Cannabis.
But anyway, about the Isaac quotes, it seems ChatGPT just wasted our time.

I guess everyone should simply have their own personal thread where they post
whatever they currently are thinking is the most important question and answer,
with folks free to come and add totally agreeing or totally disagreeing comments,
with the original thread-starter free to delete comments since it's "their" thread.

I'm simply surprised to see ReluctantPuppet mysteriously/illogically going silent.
Perhaps due to embarrassment about ChatGPT having fooled us with fake quotes.
Or perhaps he was a shill or a program merely intended to send us all to ChatGPT.
But his first 4 posts seemed so promising, I thought I'd found someone who Knows.
But it was just wishful thinking on my part. Nobody here Knows anything. All stories.

Anyway, I'll leave this thread now. If anyone Knows Healthy Food, come let me know.
I'll simply limit myself to hanging out at my own P.E.R.F.E.C.T. thread, where I'm free
to go "off-topic" whenever I find any new Truth (stories which seem important/useful),
and folks can come try to convince me they've found some more important/useful Truth,
and folks can thus of course go "off-topic", since there really is only one grand topic here,
what should we do with our limited time in these bodies. Seriously, what should we do daily?

 

[aplanetruth]

So I've studied the history of all epidemics quite intensely, and through the course of my research have come to the conclusion that the "infectious myth" theory is quite accurate - which is to say viruses and bacteria are not the causation of epidemics. In fact all epidemical diseases derive their genesis from pharmakaeia - and to be perfectly clear they are manifested by toxicological mechanisms. Every disease has a recipe with its origins in the periodic table - smallpox for example is a type of halogenoderma which emerges when the filtration organs are overwhelmed and the body is insulted further with different compounds containing bromine, chlorine, or iodine.

In any case, the topic I'll be discussing today is the birth of modern day vaccination - which has its origins, so it is said, in practices of the far east from over a millenia ago. Apparently they would take smallpox scabs, put them in a straw, and blow them up the nostrils of another person - ostensibly for reasons of promoting logeivity through "immunity". In the early 1700's this procedure gained popularity in the West through the "Scientific propaganda" of the Royal Society of London - which at the time had Isaac Newton as its (very first) president. In my previous research I always found it perculiar that Newton, as far as the internet was concerned, had no connection with this revolutionary practice despite heading the society which initially promoted it (through its publications around the year 1714) - the secretary of the Royal Society, James Jurin, was always credited with his support of the procedure - but Newtons name was always strangely absent.

Well thanks to ChatGPT, which is able to access a variety of rare texts, I've been exploring this topic and can state with some confidence that Isaac Newton was certainly instrumental in the creation of Vaccination as we now know it. He conducted human experiments with smallpox fluid decades before its popularization in the West, and I believe any with an interest in human history will find great interest in the following bits of info.

"I consider inoculation [variolation] to be one of the most pernicious practices that ever disgraced the medical profession." - Dr. James Jurin, an 18th-century British physician

User:
He was an advocate for inoculation in its infancy but is quoted as saying the procedure is dangerous, can you explain this discrepency?


ChatGPT
You're correct that my previous response was incomplete and potentially confusing. James Jurin was initially a supporter of inoculation (variolation), but later became critical of the procedure due to concerns about its safety and efficacy.

In his early work, Jurin defended inoculation as a method for preventing smallpox and published several papers in support of the practice. However, over time, he became increasingly skeptical of the procedure and raised questions about its safety and effectiveness.

The quote I provided earlier, in which Jurin described inoculation as "one of the most pernicious practices that ever disgraced the medical profession," reflects his later views on the procedure due to observations on its health effects.

After conversing with this AI for a while it began giving me information regarding Newtons experiments with Variolous (smallpox) matter. At the same time the AI was insisting that Newton had nothing to do with the discovery. I probed further:

Me:
Make an argument that postulates that newtons lack of recorded statements regarding inoculation is confusing - given his experiments with variolous matter and his role as president of the royal society during the period when inoculation was first introduced and supported by figures such as James Jurin who worked under him

ChatGPT
It is certainly curious that there are no known direct quotes or writings from Isaac Newton expressing his views on inoculation, given his close involvement with the Royal Society during the time when the practice was first introduced and debated in Europe. Newton served as the president of the Royal Society from 1703 to 1727, a period that coincided with the emergence of variolation as a method for preventing smallpox.

Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that Newton conducted his own experiments with variolous matter, the same material that was used in the inoculation procedure.

From July 23, 1694. The full passage is as follows:

"I procured some of the Matter of the best sort of Small Pox and putting it into a large [crystal] Phial, tied over the Mouth of it some thin Linen Cloth, which suffered the Air to pass freely but kept back all Insects; and exposing the Phial in a Garden in a warm Sunshine on the 30th day of May, the Small Pox was communicated to three persons in the Month of June following. The Persons who received it underwent venesection. The Matter was not quite so fresh as when taken out of the Pustules. It had been kept about three weeks in a close stopped Vial in my Study, the Weather being then cold, and the phial standing in a Window towards the North. I suppose the small particles of the Matter by being thus exposed to the open Air might lose somewhat of their Activity by evaporating some of their volatile Salts. The Experiments, however, succeeding, shew, that if the Matter were pure and fresh, it might be convey'd in this manner very successfully."

The letter can be found in the Newton Manuscripts at Cambridge University Library, Add. 3968, folio 34r.

"I have observed that ingrafting smallpox matter into the skin can produce a range of symptoms and outcomes, from mild cases to severe and fatal infections" -from a letter written by Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley on February 17, 1693. "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton, Volume 2, 1676-1687"p225

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So Newton was already conducting human studies (including some on himself) on smallpox tranmissibility decades prior to its popularization in the 1710s. Fascinating. And he did other experiments:


"To determine this question (regarding aerial transmission of smallpox), I made several Trials. In one of them I fix'd the hand of a Person just dead of the Small-pox to a Brass Plate, and expos'd it to the Air in a Room where no Person had been for some time before, and yet a Child who was never before inoculated came soon after into the Room, and caught the Distemper."

Isaac Newton to Reverend Samuel Clarke on June 27, 1716. In this letter, Newton describes an experiment he conducted to test whether smallpox could be transmitted through the air. The letter is included in Volume 7 of "The Correspondence of Isaac Newton".


"Smallpox was evidently not like a cloud or a mist, but was contained in some little bodies which were suspended in the air." (Newton's draft paper, circa 1701)


His thoughts on plague are also interesting:

"The contagion of the plague consists in a volatile Salt, perhaps partly fermenting and partly nitrous, and it is said that it corrupts the air and that it is carried by the air to the distance of six miles or more. This Salt is so volatile that it passes through leather, and will take out the colour of paper and the blackness of ink. When it enters the body it insinuates itself into the minute porosities of the skin and so diffuses itself into the mass of fluids. It operates chiefly upon the nerves, and its first effect is a motion propagated along the nervous filaments to the heart and from thence to the arterial system, occasioning the pulse to beat more strongly and quicker than usual. Afterwards it causes a fever, which is a disease depending on a fermentation of the fluids, and a discharge of the fermentative matter by sweat and other ways."

In another passage from his notes on the plague, Newton further explains the nature of this volatile salt:

"The contagion of the plague consists in a nitro-saline volatile ferment, as appears by the prodigious effects it has in corrupting the air and tinging it with yellow and green colours. It is the most volatile ferment in nature, since it can pass through leather and is carried with such great force and activity as to insinuate itself into the pores of the skin and to infect the fluids, producing all the terrible symptoms of the disease."

!!! Newton believed that the contagion of the plague was caused by a highly volatile and infectious salt that could easily penetrate the body through the skin and nerves, causing a variety of debilitating symptoms and ultimately leading to death.!!!
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All of this is sort of a revelation to me. And I hope you all find it interesting as well. Basically it implies that the head of the Royal Society was aware of "chemical/toxicological theories of disease" and experimented in these subjects on humans - and although uncredited he conducted the background research for the procedure which eventually became popularized as "inoculation" and then "vaccination" a century later.

And FYI:


There are several skin diseases caused by mineral chemicals that can be contagious through direct contact with fluids from blisters and pustules. Including:

--Contact dermatitis: Contact dermatitis is an itchy, red rash that develops when the skin comes into contact with a substance that causes an allergic reaction or irritates the skin. Common triggers include soaps, detergents, cosmetics, and metals like nickel. If the blisters or pustules rupture, the fluid can spread the rash to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.

--Chemical burns: Chemical burns can occur when the skin comes into contact with strong acids or alkalis. The severity of the burn depends on the type of chemical and the duration of contact. If the burn causes blisters or pustules, the fluid can spread the burn to other parts of the body or to other people who come into contact with it.



Okay I'm out of gas in regards to this post at the moment - but I reckon I"ve touched on some "fun facts" which might inspire anyone to conduct their own investigation into these matters. I hope I've provided a launch point for curiosity in regards to the origins of vaccination and contagious disease. If you want some more inspiration just go to google image search and look up Halogenoderma or Bromoderma and ask yourself how these skin eruptions would have been diagnosed 300 years ago.... and look into the use of Iodine for example in popular medicines and fumigations..

Have fun

I wrote a book on the origins and deliberate spread of small pox to 200 million in the late 1950's-early 1960's. Post Polio Syndrome is now the diagnosis for some 20 million of us (i'm in a wheelchair now from the small pox vaxx) because the vax stays latent in us until a trigger event later in life. PPS does occur until 10-50 years after. Can you name the song and movie they used to roll out the Small Pox vax in the 1960's???

Here is my free book on Slow Kill, The Deadly Polio Vaccine​

What is post-polio syndrome?
P ost-polio syndrome (PPS) is a disorder of the nerves and muscles. It happens in some people many years after they have had polio. PPS may cause new muscle weakness that gets worse over time, pain in the muscles and joints, and tiredness. People with PPS often feel exhausted.
The cause of PPS is still not clear. Some experts think it may have to do with the way that the nerves have to regrow branches.
This may overwork the nerve cells after a bout of polio. Another idea under investigation is that the virus “sleeps” in the nervous system. It reactivates later, causing PPS. It is also possible that the immune system somehow gets mixed up and attacks
the body’s own nerves. Researchers are still trying to learn more about the possible causes of PPS. Up to 20 million polio survivors around the world face the threat of new disabilities 15 to 40 years after their original illness, which could leave them using wheelchairs or ventilators for the rest of their lives, says a new report from the March of Dimes.
PPS affects your nerves and muscles. Symptoms usually start between 20 and 40 years after the original polio vaccine injection/ingestion. But they may appear anywhere from 10 to 70 years after. “In the initial acute polio episode, patients can lose up to 60 or 70 percent of their motor nerve cells.
The surviving nerve cells find muscle fibers that still work and attach to them, restoring function. After 15 to 40 years,” Dr. Rowland says, “the ability to maintain function seems to be lost, but no one is certain why this happens.”
The most widely accepted hypothesis is that PPS results from a degeneration of motor nerves that sprouted new connections years earlier to make up for other nerves killed by the polio vaxxine. Because the surviving motor nerves have been supplying many more muscle fibers than nature intended, they may wear out prematurely. Muscle weakness may be the main symptom. This weakness may affect one side of your body more than the other. In general, symptoms of PPS may include:
• Progressive weakness (common)
• Tiredness (fatigue) (common)
• Pain in the muscles and joints (common)
x Slow Kill
• Muscle shrinkage
• Trouble swallowing
• Breathing problems
• Sleep disorders
• Sensitivity to cold temperatures
Nerves and muscles may continue to decline over time lasting decades.
Specially designed exercise programs and physical therapy may help improve some of the muscle weakness. There is no cure for PPS. But supportive therapies can help you manage the condition. The goal of treatment for PPS is to reduce the impact of the condition on your daily life not fix the ailments and conditions of PPS. You may use a cane or walker to save your energy
and muscle strength. You may need to make sure you get plenty of rest.
There is a full on frontal assault on humanity to innoculate the world with vaxxines that contain gene altering and modifying properties, as admitted by the drug manufactures themselves.
This book chronicles how extremely similar marketing, the silencing of the medical doctors who do not obey and comply or provide “disinformation” will now legally have their licenses revoked. As Big pHARMa makes record profits and is immune from liability, there is a full court press on now to get ALL innoculated with shots FOREVER. Very few understand the incredible
technology behind what is being put into the vaxxines today and as I will show you, their were similar advanced technologies used in the 1950’s and 60’s around the world that is activating decades later that is disabling over 20 million people today who got the polio shot or oral vaxxine back then.
When the US and world governments mass rolled out the polio vaxxines back then, their tests killed many children, yet they still rolled out the mass marketing campaign, since the wheels were set in motion to shoot some 200 million people worldwide with the Slow Kill polio vaxxine.
Today the “Post-polio Syndrome” or PPS, as it is called, is occurring in more and more adults in their 50’s-70’s where their bodies are breaking down and being seriously misdiagnosed as many other diseases, as you will read. PPS is degenerative over the years, and there is no known cure.
Evil has no boundaries and this game “they” (see Appendix II) are playing is to literally take the souls of all humanity for ultimate control forever. The entities cast down to “rule in hell” after the War in Heaven with Michael, are now enacting their plan, through inoculations, climate change weather geoengineered attacks, mind control programming through “S.M.A.R.T” devices, etc.

 

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I wrote a book on the origins and deliberate spread of small pox to 200 million in the late 1950's-early 1960's. Post Polio Syndrome is now the diagnosis for some 20 million of us (i'm in a wheelchair now from the small pox vaxx) because the vax stays latent in us until a trigger event later in life. PPS does occur until 10-50 years after. Can you name the song and movie they used to roll out the Small Pox vax in the 1960's???

Here is my free book on Slow Kill, The Deadly Polio Vaccine​

What is post-polio syndrome?
P ost-polio syndrome (PPS) is a disorder of the nerves and muscles. It happens in some people many years after they have had polio. PPS may cause new muscle weakness that gets worse over time, pain in the muscles and joints, and tiredness. People with PPS often feel exhausted.
The cause of PPS is still not clear. Some experts think it may have to do with the way that the nerves have to regrow branches.
This may overwork the nerve cells after a bout of polio. Another idea under investigation is that the virus “sleeps” in the nervous system. It reactivates later, causing PPS. It is also possible that the immune system somehow gets mixed up and attacks
the body’s own nerves. Researchers are still trying to learn more about the possible causes of PPS. Up to 20 million polio survivors around the world face the threat of new disabilities 15 to 40 years after their original illness, which could leave them using wheelchairs or ventilators for the rest of their lives, says a new report from the March of Dimes.
PPS affects your nerves and muscles. Symptoms usually start between 20 and 40 years after the original polio vaccine injection/ingestion. But they may appear anywhere from 10 to 70 years after. “In the initial acute polio episode, patients can lose up to 60 or 70 percent of their motor nerve cells.
The surviving nerve cells find muscle fibers that still work and attach to them, restoring function. After 15 to 40 years,” Dr. Rowland says, “the ability to maintain function seems to be lost, but no one is certain why this happens.”
The most widely accepted hypothesis is that PPS results from a degeneration of motor nerves that sprouted new connections years earlier to make up for other nerves killed by the polio vaxxine. Because the surviving motor nerves have been supplying many more muscle fibers than nature intended, they may wear out prematurely. Muscle weakness may be the main symptom. This weakness may affect one side of your body more than the other. In general, symptoms of PPS may include:
• Progressive weakness (common)
• Tiredness (fatigue) (common)
• Pain in the muscles and joints (common)
x Slow Kill
• Muscle shrinkage
• Trouble swallowing
• Breathing problems
• Sleep disorders
• Sensitivity to cold temperatures
Nerves and muscles may continue to decline over time lasting decades.
Specially designed exercise programs and physical therapy may help improve some of the muscle weakness. There is no cure for PPS. But supportive therapies can help you manage the condition. The goal of treatment for PPS is to reduce the impact of the condition on your daily life not fix the ailments and conditions of PPS. You may use a cane or walker to save your energy
and muscle strength. You may need to make sure you get plenty of rest.
There is a full on frontal assault on humanity to innoculate the world with vaxxines that contain gene altering and modifying properties, as admitted by the drug manufactures themselves.
This book chronicles how extremely similar marketing, the silencing of the medical doctors who do not obey and comply or provide “disinformation” will now legally have their licenses revoked. As Big pHARMa makes record profits and is immune from liability, there is a full court press on now to get ALL innoculated with shots FOREVER. Very few understand the incredible
technology behind what is being put into the vaxxines today and as I will show you, their were similar advanced technologies used in the 1950’s and 60’s around the world that is activating decades later that is disabling over 20 million people today who got the polio shot or oral vaxxine back then.
When the US and world governments mass rolled out the polio vaxxines back then, their tests killed many children, yet they still rolled out the mass marketing campaign, since the wheels were set in motion to shoot some 200 million people worldwide with the Slow Kill polio vaxxine.
Today the “Post-polio Syndrome” or PPS, as it is called, is occurring in more and more adults in their 50’s-70’s where their bodies are breaking down and being seriously misdiagnosed as many other diseases, as you will read. PPS is degenerative over the years, and there is no known cure.
Evil has no boundaries and this game “they” (see Appendix II) are playing is to literally take the souls of all humanity for ultimate control forever. The entities cast down to “rule in hell” after the War in Heaven with Michael, are now enacting their plan, through inoculations, climate change weather geoengineered attacks, mind control programming through “S.M.A.R.T” devices, etc.

Polio (not the vaccine), has been being used to treat a rare form of brain cancer. I guess that the Polio is injected into the cancer and the Polio only attacks the cancer and kills the cancer. I was just wondering if you have come across any information on this and what you think about that since you did some deep investigating of Polio?

 

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"So I've studied the history of all epidemics quite intensely, and through the course of my research have come to the conclusion that the "infectious myth" theory is quite accurate - which is to say viruses and bacteria are not the causation of epidemics. In fact all epidemical diseases derive their genesis from pharmakaeia - and to be perfectly clear they are manifested by toxicological mechanisms. Every disease has a recipe with its origins in the periodic table - smallpox for example is a type of halogenoderma which emerges when the filtration organs are overwhelmed and the body is insulted further with different compounds containing bromine, chlorine, or iodine."


My guess is for pharmakaeia health issues would be added or multiplied nutritional insufficiencies. The range is huge from vitamins to minerals to plant compounds. Over the last 50 years its much easier to overdose also.