Statue of Hercules discovered in a Roman Sewer (Mirror)

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Busy Baçi: A statue of Hercules was discovered recently a couple of days ago, buried deep in a 100 years old sewer in Rome (Italy). So the Italian archeologists claim. They claim to have positively identified Hercules or Heracles judging only from his lion skin headdress.
Really impressive in my opinion, it took them only one simple thing as a headdress to be dead sure that the man in the sculpture was Hercules himself and none other.

The original article in Italian language so you might want to use google translate in order to read the primary source of this discovery.
Eccezionale rinvenimento nel Parco Archeologico dell’Appia Antica

Here it goes a mirror article in English from artnet news:
Construction Workers Discovered a Mysterious Statue of Hercules Buried Deep in a Roman Sewer

The unexpected find appears to have been intentionally buried in the early 20th century.
Sarah Cascone, January 31, 2023

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Workers discovered this life-size marble Hercules statue buried in a sewer pipe beneath the Appian Way. Photo courtesy of the Parco Archeologico dell'Appia Antica, Rome.
Construction workers cleaning and repairing a 100-year-old sewer in Rome unearthed a life-size marble sculpture of a man dressed as the mythical figure of Hercules, identifiable by his lion skin headdress.
“I doubt anyone was expecting a find like this under these circumstances,” Jane Draycott, an archaeologist at the University of Glasgow who was not involved in the excavation, told the Miami Herald. “A nice surprise amongst the sewage!”
The find was made along Rome’s famed "Appian Way", a historic road now buried underneath the city’s Scott Park. Construction workers were on site to address a collapse in an old pipeline, which had led to dangerous sinkholes appearing in the park. Work to restore the sewers before replanting trees in that area of the park had been ongoing for months when workers stumbled upon the impressive sculpture on January 25, the "Parco Archeologico dell’Appia Antica" announced on Facebook.

An initial cleaning and study of the statue is being led by 27-year-old archaeologist Federica Acierno in temporary facilities at the site. Both legs of the figure are broken, but excavation also uncovered the base of the statue with its feet.
The sculpture appears to have been intentionally buried in the sewer pipe a century ago, some 65 feet below what is now street level. Because the sculpture was not found at its original site, the surrounding soil cannot be used to help date the work. Instead, the best clues to help determine its age lie in its physical appearance.
Experts at the archaeological park have developed a theory that the statue may be a depiction of the Emperor Gaius Messius Quintus Traianus Decius, or Decio Traiano, based on the work’s wrinkled face and its likeness to known coins featuring the visage of the ruler, who was in power from 249 to 251.

News of the find was reported by the "Corriere della Sera", and in English by "Wanted in Rome" and the "Evening Standard".
The "Parco Archeologico dell’Appia Antica" hopes to soon have the new Hercules statue on display, and is considering adding it to the current exhibition “Patrimonium Appiae: Depositi emersi.” On view through June 30 at the park’s "Casale di Santa Maria Nova", it features recent archaeological discoveries from the "Appian Way".

See more photos of the statue below.

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Workers discovered this life-size marble Hercules statue buried in a sewer pipe beneath the Appian Way. Photo courtesy of the Parco Archeologico dell' Appia Antica, Rome.
Images from "Wanted in Rome"

Busy Baçi: It looks to me like it's a bit too easy to name someone as Hercules or Heracles in Greek mythology having to look only at the way someone is dressing. Did the archeologist take into account the travels of Hercules? I don't deny they he on his long travels went through the Italic peninsula marking many of his glorious deeds, but this methodology of claims is a bit rushed to me. It's like seeing a man walking on the sidewalk wearing a casual baseball hat and claiming that he's a baseball player.

What are your thoughts on this new discovery?
 
Hercules is one of the most famous personalities from that time period, it is quite easy to find many different iterations of Hercules in stone, mosaics, marble, etc. However one point to make is that because of his God-like and heroic status he is almost always depicted in triumphant action.

For example - this classic pose is one you will find frequently associated with Hercules.

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This is a depiction of one of his twelve labors - in this case slaying the Hydra.

You would be hard pressed to find a depiction of hercules that won't show him acting heroically, slaying something or holding up something impressive.

All of that to say I find it hard to believe that this is a statue of hercules, considering that this figure is quite static and reserved - standing up straight in a standard pose. Like you pointed out - it seems like the only connection to hercules is the Lion's hood, but this could just as likely be a wealthy patriarch with a particular penchant for herculian dress. This could be anyone or anything, my guess is they picked hercules because he is one of the most popular and most likely to generate lots more money for archeological research (and headlines).

More questions:

Why would this statue be intentionally buried? If it was to be removed to make way for another project, they would have just removed it from the site. How do they know it was intentionally buried a century ago? Did they not dig rome out of 20-50 feet of dirt a century ago? So were they trying to uncover old infrastructure 100 years ago while simultaneously hiding little statues in the sewers like some weird easter egg hunt? Is the true identity of this statue something that goes against the "Roman" narrative at the time the history was being created?
 
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Hercules is one of the most famous personalities from that time period, it is quite easy to find many different iterations of Hercules in stone, mosaics, marble, etc. However one point to make is that because of his God-like and heroic status he is almost always depicted in triumphant action.

For example - this classic pose is one you will find frequently associated with Hercules.


This is a depiction of one of his twelve labors - in this case slaying the Hydra.

You would be hard pressed to find a depiction of hercules that won't show him acting heroically, slaying something or holding up something impressive.

All of that to say I find it hard to believe that this is a statue of hercules, considering that this figure is quite static and reserved - standing up straight in a standard pose. Like you pointed out - it seems like the only connection to hercules is the Lion's hood, but this could just as likely be a wealthy patriarch with a particular penchant for herculian dress. This could be anyone or anything, my guess is they picked hercules because he is one of the most popular and most likely to generate lots more money for archeological research (and headlines).

More questions:

Why would this statue be intentionally buried? If it was to be removed to make way for another project, they would have just removed it from the site. How do they know it was intentionally buried a century ago? Did they not dig rome out of 20-50 feet of dirt a century ago? So were they trying to uncover old infrastructure 100 years ago while simultaneously hiding little statues in the sewers like some weird easter egg hunt? Is the true identity of this statue something that goes against the "Roman" narrative at the time the history was being created?

You guys are right. Well done. It is not Hercules. It is as the thrice great himself says.

MSM sources are saying it is a Roman Emperor posing as Hercules.



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You guys are right. Well done. It is not Hercules. It is as the thrice great himself says.

MSM sources are saying it is a Roman Emperor posing as Hercules.




Where are the corrections issued by all of the sites claiming this was Hercules last week? Oh yeah that's right, they took their clicks to the bank and couldn't care less about this stuff.

The idiocy continues:

Italy: Statue of Roman emperor uncovered during sewer repairs

The figurine bears a “fair resemblance” to Emperor Decius, who ruled Rome from 249 to 251 AD, according to archaeologist Francesca Romana Paolillo. It shows frown lines on the forehead that is typical of depictions of emperors from the 3rd century, a time of deep crisis for the Roman Empire. The statue is considered “quite rare” due to the portrayal of a Roman leader as Hercules.

What is a fair resemblance? What are the metrics for a fair resemblance versus no resemblance or exact resemblance?

Frown lines = hard times = 3rd century = Emperor Decius? I know it is easy to criticize many alternative researchers for lazy or uninspired research but this might take the cake.

More speculations, more headlines, more clicks, more ad revenue...

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Speaking of more publicity and trying to make a name for themselves, this Archeologist Francesca Paolillo seems to be trying to climb her way up the ranks. A young, pretty archeologist with little to no recognition, however when you search her name she is referenced in every article about this statue. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with this entire field of research where it is all about trying to gain popularity and name recognition to get cushy positions in museums and historical societies.
 
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I worked on an archaeology project in Italy, as part of my PhD. The head of archaeology for the area was more concerned about her designer clothing with high heels than anything that was being discovered or that the site wanted to knock down trees plus Roman villas to allow double decker buses to the nature reserve! You would fall over Roman remains at the site, so plenty could have been taken to be 'discovered' elsewhere.
 
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I'd imagine coliseum of yesterday ran much like the coliseum today.. The Animals killed would have been skinned and their furs and meat sold to the highest bidder and in most cases these were the wealthy elite.. Most European countries had laws on the who, what, why, where, of fur wearing taken from the roman era.. Specific furs we reserved for the upper classes and more specifically royalty.. I'm not sure, but i'd bet these laws were on the books long before the roman era.. My point being without corroborating evidence.. this could just as well be a wealthy politician sporting the fashion of the day..
 
Busy Baçi: A statue of Hercules was discovered recently a couple of days ago, buried deep in a 100 years old sewer in Rome (Italy). So the Italian archeologists claim. They claim to have positively identified Hercules or Heracles judging only from his lion skin headdress.
Really impressive in my opinion, it took them only one simple thing as a headdress to be dead sure that the man in the sculpture was Hercules himself and none other.

The original article in Italian language so you might want to use google translate in order to read the primary source of this discovery.
Eccezionale rinvenimento nel Parco Archeologico dell’Appia Antica

Here it goes a mirror article in English from artnet news:
Construction Workers Discovered a Mysterious Statue of Hercules Buried Deep in a Roman Sewer

The unexpected find appears to have been intentionally buried in the early 20th century.
Sarah Cascone, January 31, 2023

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Workers discovered this life-size marble Hercules statue buried in a sewer pipe beneath the Appian Way. Photo courtesy of the Parco Archeologico dell'Appia Antica, Rome.
Construction workers cleaning and repairing a 100-year-old sewer in Rome unearthed a life-size marble sculpture of a man dressed as the mythical figure of Hercules, identifiable by his lion skin headdress.
“I doubt anyone was expecting a find like this under these circumstances,” Jane Draycott, an archaeologist at the University of Glasgow who was not involved in the excavation, told the Miami Herald. “A nice surprise amongst the sewage!”
The find was made along Rome’s famed "Appian Way", a historic road now buried underneath the city’s Scott Park. Construction workers were on site to address a collapse in an old pipeline, which had led to dangerous sinkholes appearing in the park. Work to restore the sewers before replanting trees in that area of the park had been ongoing for months when workers stumbled upon the impressive sculpture on January 25, the "Parco Archeologico dell’Appia Antica" announced on Facebook.

An initial cleaning and study of the statue is being led by 27-year-old archaeologist Federica Acierno in temporary facilities at the site. Both legs of the figure are broken, but excavation also uncovered the base of the statue with its feet.
The sculpture appears to have been intentionally buried in the sewer pipe a century ago, some 65 feet below what is now street level. Because the sculpture was not found at its original site, the surrounding soil cannot be used to help date the work. Instead, the best clues to help determine its age lie in its physical appearance.
Experts at the archaeological park have developed a theory that the statue may be a depiction of the Emperor Gaius Messius Quintus Traianus Decius, or Decio Traiano, based on the work’s wrinkled face and its likeness to known coins featuring the visage of the ruler, who was in power from 249 to 251.

News of the find was reported by the "Corriere della Sera", and in English by "Wanted in Rome" and the "Evening Standard".
The "Parco Archeologico dell’Appia Antica" hopes to soon have the new Hercules statue on display, and is considering adding it to the current exhibition “Patrimonium Appiae: Depositi emersi.” On view through June 30 at the park’s "Casale di Santa Maria Nova", it features recent archaeological discoveries from the "Appian Way".

See more photos of the statue below.

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Workers discovered this life-size marble Hercules statue buried in a sewer pipe beneath the Appian Way. Photo courtesy of the Parco Archeologico dell' Appia Antica, Rome.
Images from "Wanted in Rome"

Busy Baçi: It looks to me like it's a bit too easy to name someone as Hercules or Heracles in Greek mythology having to look only at the way someone is dressing. Did the archeologist take into account the travels of Hercules? I don't deny they he on his long travels went through the Italic peninsula marking many of his glorious deeds, but this methodology of claims is a bit rushed to me. It's like seeing a man walking on the sidewalk wearing a casual baseball hat and claiming that he's a baseball player.

What are your thoughts on this new discovery?
...discovered a MYSTERIOUS statue of Hercules...the word MYSTERIOUS tells me that the statue is just that! Mysterious! No one knows who it represents. Tack a name on it and it's good to go. Remember, when a world civilization is collapsing, as ours is, the last resort is to bring in the clowns/archaeologists who dig up/discover all sorts of 'goodies' to charm us with our, whether manufactured or real, glorious by-gone past. It may not be bread but it's certainly circuses.
 
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