Stolen History Part 3 - The Mystery of the World's Fairs

[Jd755]

One could find a compromise for the future. For the next video you could open a thread where the topics are presented that should appear in the video and then it is discussed in the forum what should come in and what not. At least I would find that good.

I should make it crystal I have nothing to do with the video production team nor do I see where the gain is in producing them simply because during my time on the three versions of SH the only thing that has become more likely to be true rather than false is most historical characters are just that characters ergo not once living people. Every other subject is as grey as ever it was.
What you suggest is a level of collaboration and dare I say interest that my experience of SH forums shows is simply not there.

Dreamtime and Mosaic could have opened the floor from the get go, maybe they did and I missed it, if so apologies but perhaps it was recognised there is no consensus here so decided to go ahead without it. My only concern is to make it clear in this thread, because it isn't mentioned in the transcripts, that the videos do not present a consensus view of the SH membership past and present.

 

[Akanah]

I should make it crystal I have nothing to do with the video production team nor do I see where the gain is in producing them simply because during my time on the three versions of SH the only thing that has become more likely to be true rather than false is most historical characters are just that characters ergo not once living people. Every other subject is as grey as ever it was.
What you suggest is a level of collaboration and dare I say interest that my experience of SH forums shows is simply not there.

Dreamtime and Mosaic could have opened the floor from the get go, maybe they did and I missed it, if so apologies but perhaps it was recognised there is no consensus here so decided to go ahead without it. My only concern is to make it clear in this thread, because it isn't mentioned in the transcripts, that the videos do not present a consensus view of the SH membership past and present.

The bold print is true, but that's not what the videos are about.
Up to now, the videos have mainly been about the building structures and the mud flood.
The Thunderboltsproject also makes videos from time to time for better visualization of difficult topics. Some people don't have the nerve to read everything and they like visual presentations better or they are more appealing. I have trained in the graphic arts myself and know that videos on specific topics just sell better.

I would like to ask how long such a video production takes.

 

[Jd755]

Well there is a thread made by dreamtime for precisely the information you requested to be posted. As you can see from the responses it has not proven popular especially when the current size of the membership is taken into account.

Collaborative Research on Mud Flood and Reset for Documentary Series

 

[dreamtime]

I would like to ask how long such a video production takes.

Our video guys says if this was a regular job, I would have to pay him around $15,000 per video. On part 2 he worked around 150 hours.

 

[luddite]

My only concern is to make it clear in this thread, because it isn't mentioned in the transcripts, that the videos do not present a consensus view of the SH membership past and present

So what should happen? Should all the videos be deleted because consensus wasn't reached?

The only option I see here from your and @Will Scarlet perspective is that you can make videos also. It's surprisingly hard to do. I trust you will open it up for collaboration with a thousand members or so. Go for it guys!

 

[Jd755]

You write like there is a tag team in operation. The only similarity is we step out of line in terms of praising this video series but we do so for very different reasons.

A simple still inserted into each video that makes it crystal the views of the scriptwriters do not represent the views of the entire stolen history community would do.

 

[luddite]

You write like there is a tag team in operation

Nope, I was just trying to kick-start a community collaboration.

 

[dreamtime]

Dreamtime and Mosaic could have opened the floor from the get go, maybe they did and I missed it, if so apologies but perhaps it was recognised there is no consensus here so decided to go ahead without it. My only concern is to make it clear in this thread, because it isn't mentioned in the transcripts, that the videos do not present a consensus view of the SH membership past and present.

I have never come across anyone expecting the docus to represent everyone in the forum. Who would think like that? The forum isn't a hive-mind.

Anyone who has worked with texts as a writer and author knows that it's impossible to have more than one main author.

We tried to include more people (freygeist contributed to part 3) but it turned out, it's basically impossible. His contributions were valuable, but in the end I had to rewrite almost every single sentence, so that the text stays coherent. Mosaic contributes ideas, reflects on my writings, and optimizes the text.

The only thing that would still help is if we got support from actual researchers who simply look up facts. Something like "Please list everything you can find about the little ice age" and then 2 weeks later I get a 30-page document with all available facts extracted from papers, books and articles. I think it's very unlikely we find someone for that, though.

 

[Jd755]

Well the collaboration you seek simply doesn't exist. There were a fair few attempts on SH v1 where collaboration was put forwards and they all came to nothing as your request on here has. What you are doing is building a script from the work of the many good researchers who provided content and links to sources on SH v1 and to a much lesser degree the researchers on here. and failing to say the conclusions you come to are not shared by everyone.
There are a couple of thousand members on here some of whom were also v1 people 300 of whom contribute according to a post you put out a few weeks ago, and all you have in terms of collaboration is you and mosaic and through your contacts have access to an off forum videographer who appears to have total editorial control over imagery used and a pair of stalwart narrators and a couple of back ground people as you link to them in the video so around a dozen out of a couple of thousand.
This would suggest most are not interested in doing anything to help provide content or produce said video series.

If the insertion of a still is not the way ahead for the video team then so be it.

Nope, I was just trying to kick-start a community collaboration.

Sorry flew right over my head. Be fair I did put the link in back up the page, to dreamtimes collaboration request thread!

 

[luddite]

Sorry flew right over my head. Be fair I did put the link in back up the page, to dreamtimes collaboration request thread

No worries.

We tried making a wiki to help people collaborate when sh1 died. That was a complete failure.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

you can make videos also.

So, you think that left alone to cherry-pick from the collaboration of a thousand members and given our particular individual biases, we would produce a documentary series that claims to present...

beginner-friendly topics that offer a good introduction

...without influencing those 'beginners' with our biases in any way?

That's your solution is it? Would we get funded by Patreons?

Should we decide to collaborate on a video (which is highly unlikely) it would be made clear from the beginning that it was not a representation of the forum's consensus views on the topics discussed and we wouldn't claim it to have been co-written with stolenhistory.net, actually we probably wouldn't mention stolenhistory.net at all unless acknowledging other members contributions.

In fact, it would be just like a forum post, except one presented by two members.

There are techniques for presenting information without stating it as 'fact' or preaching. There's suggestion and possibility followed by the hanging question, thus placing the final decision with the audience. But what do I know.

 

[Akanah]

Well there is a thread made by dreamtime for precisely the information you requested to be posted. As you can see from the responses it has not proven popular especially when the current size of the membership is taken into account.

Collaborative Research on Mud Flood and Reset for Documentary Series

Thanks, ah this thread. Although we seem to have thousands of members on this forum, I get the impression that only about a dozen of you are actively posting on the forum. At least I only ever read from the same forum users.
We may have a lot of deadbeats. Of course, most people have no interest in working on the video if it's not their topic. I would probably also want to get involved in a video where it is about different theories about the shape of the earth. I also never assumed that the videos would reflect a unified opinion of the forum users.

 

[dreamtime]

Although we seem to have thousands of members on this forum, I get the impression that only about a dozen of you are actively posting on the forum. At least I only ever read from the same forum users.

We have more than 2000 members, but only 859 members with at least one post, and only 327 members with more than 5 posts.

 

[David Glenney]

Our video guys says if this was a regular job, I would have to pay him around $15,000 per video. On part 2 he worked around 150 hours.

Wow. Is he hiring by any chance? I would be thrilled to make half that at a regular job.

Anyway, recently heard about, probably in a Stefan Lanka or Tom Cowan video on odysee, an idea that a scientific paper or study should include opposing (or different) interpretations. Course then it may foster a lively discussion about the exact proportions and level of perceived mockery... "He put clown music behind my counterpoint!"

But the videos will drive at least one person to the forum, and thence, an opportunity to read the unofficial unofficial narratives.

 

[dreamtime]

Is he hiring by any chance?

He's a self-employed music and video producer. Not easy in covid-times, btw.

that a scientific paper or study should include opposing (or different) interpretations

that's a good point to consider.

 

[heretolearn]

this was really informative thank you for posting/creating. My take away from it all was that, all these expos were perhaps the very first versions of what we see happening in Davos today. Whoever it was that seeded this place after the reset. Arranged to all gather at a pre determined location where pre-reset architecture needed to be destroyed. They met up with all the tech and information they had scavenged from around this world of ours, in a show me yours I'll show you mine kind of arrangement. All meeting up and working out who's fits with who's and so on. Sacrificing the Building or Buildings afterwards along with any evidence of their meet up. We see and hear of what was placed front of house at these events. But it would be amazing to discover the things which were kept from the general public which these purveyors must have shared between themselves and were never shown. Facinating topic Thank you once again.

 

[David Glenney]

He's a self-employed music and video producer. Not easy in covid-times, btw.

My specialty was concert videography, so I know how that went! The day the music died...

 

[alltheleaves]

Nope, I was just trying to kick-start a community collaboration.

Individuals staring at screens can communicate and possibly collaborate but it's not a community.

 

[dreamtime]

Just wanted to publicly thank you, @Timeshifter for providing your professional opinion as a photographer, at 50 minutes into the video:

View: https://youtu.be/ucIMj47hUf4?t=2994
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[luddite]

My specialty was concert videography, so I know how that went! The day the music died...

Is weird times. Sorry to hear that. It seems only politicians and journalists have increased their roles.