SH Archive Tartary - an Empire hidden in history. It was bigger than Russia once...

[Jd755]

Both seem to be exonyms though. Don't know how accurate the translation of the article is, but it tells that "Tartarias" on western maps correspond to "Hordes" on Russian maps. The name Tatar was made up by some German historian in Romanov Russia to bundle a lot of different Siberian people together. There was also a period of morphing of the maps - Tataria---> Tartaria.

To me it's all the same, one name calls them savages, while other means hell. From the stuff found on this forum it appears that neither are true.

This is the crux of it for me also.
Tartary, Grand Tartary, Lesser Tartary are names referring to a geographical area of land put there for good reason.
The Westerrn european peoples who would consume the maps,stories, journals, drawings/engravings/paintings/products of merchant adventurers were given a name they could relate to.
And equally important any merchant group seeking the exact source of another's product and on bein told inTartary they would set off along the silk road only to find there is no Tartary!
The Mongol Empire, The Uigyhr Empire, TheTang Empire, The Sogidians, The Bactrian Greeks and a plethora of smaller kingdoms argued, made peace, fought, rose up, faded away in a part of the world where the silk road traversed and few western people ventured.
The religions of the area morphed and rubbed up against each other but catholicism was not among them.

Here's a list of threads and articles which reveal all manner of goings on within the Tartary label. Maybe they can open some doors for some people, hope so.


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Alexander's Cartographer's Newsletter

Then there are these inconvenient findings.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/AquaPaadre/status/1578523033672687616

 

[Jd755]

Tartary or more correctly, Tatary .
This name was in former times given by Europeans to that immense tract of Central Asia stretching across the whole breadth of the continent from the seas of Japan and Okhotsk to the Caspian and bounded on the N. By Siberia and on the S. By China, Tibet, Cashmere, Afghanistan and Persia. It is separated by the elevated plateaus of the Pamir into two great divisions, Chinese or East and West Tartary, now almost completely in the hands of the Russians. The term is now often used for TURKISTAN.

The above is the entry for Tartary in the 1897 National Encyclopedia.

 

[RedNeckGoober]

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Then there are these inconvenient findings.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/AquaPaadre/status/1578523033672687616

'Findings'. A post from a user on a social media platform with an anime icon as an avatar are 'findings'.


do you believe that this is a legitimate source?

 

[Jd755]

'Findings'. A post from a user on a social media platform with an anime icon as an avatar are 'findings'.


do you believe that this is a legitimate source?

Please don't hold back how do you define a legitimate source?

Does this pass muster?
archive.ph

Do these authors?
Fan Zhang, Chao Ning, […]Yinqiu Cui


If not then what does in your world?

I went and read the nature article. Struck me the lengths science goes to to pretend it can deliver results. Interwoven but clear is how much "supposing" goes on in these investigations.

There is one comment on the article and its very recent.
Here it is. I don't know if a disqus comment passes muster as legitimate but at the bottom is a link to the comment authors disqus profile if that helps.


Read the pdf version, so you can actually see the y chromosome and the admixture graph, ancient north Eurasian is mostly west Eurasian ancestry itself so I don't understand the claims here, ancient north Eurasian ancestry brought blond hair to Europe, it appears some of these tarim samples carry r1b, second the media is all over this already spreading misinformation as always, which is why studies should be more careful what they say, now we going to have a ton of people claiming tarim samples are indengious east Asian or native Americans, it should be explained that no modern groups are identical to ancient north Eurasian and that northern Europeans have just as much as many native Americans, Finns are over 25 percent, second it is not explained that modern Siberians and native Americans are only 30 percent ancient north Eurasian which makes them 60 percent not ancient north Eurasian, it is not explained anywhere that the specific sample AG3 is the oldest blonde currently discovered in the world, and that eastern European hunter gatherers who are 75 percent ancient north Eurasian have high frequency of light skin variants and intermediate frequency of blue eyed variants, which If every media outlet is going to point out how native Americans have ancient north Eurasian ancestry maybe they should also point out what they look like, as not doing so is inviting claims that ancient north Eurasian looked like native Americans and this is untrue.

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[occular0]

The word "ancient" means nothing to me nowadays. When I see the word I immediately think not ancient or fake or fraud.