SH Archive The Phoenicians Once Ruled the World. They still do today!

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Username: cheap
Date: 2018-11-15 10:34:45
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Could the two-headed eagle represent enlil? Or somehow represent the duality of enki and enlil?

Listen to around 1:07 min in. Right after he even makes a connection to the Phoenicians

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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2018-12-25 00:09:30
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All I can say is I have had way too much Jager Tee (an Xmas trad) but Cart Ruts Malta - Maltas Cart Tracks - others aound the world = Phoenician in part. The progenitors of the Phoenicians were the cart rutters - an ancient race of ET robots with a directive to turn the Mediterranean into a vast power plant for extraction of trace minerals like ..... gold.
 
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Username: Deleted_x7
Date: 2018-12-27 06:01:21
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great thread! the force is strong within mythstifieD..

I can only add that the triskalion symbol of the Sicilian flag with the three legs is a near copy of the Isle of Man flag excpet the IOM flag has no head/face upon it. interestingly though, the IOM supposedly (according to their own website) "The Vikings established the Manx parliament, Tynwald (the oldest continuous Parliament in the world)" Welcome :: isleofman.com

16500
of: Coat of arms of the Isle of Man - Wikipedia

I am new here and before I found this thread I wrote something very related with my second post to the forum here: The Shadow Government: who are they?


I tried to start a thread about the etymology of etomology but I think it was screened out for whatever reason but I felt it was an area that needs more attention. perhaps I can try it again sometime using different words?

I would also like to suggest this video series to all here:


this man has taken fomenkos work and verified it as well as discovered further proofs the whole scaliger/julian timeline is a fraud. a must see IMO if the vid does not show up, search YT for 'Joseph Scaliger / Faking of Dark Ages'

p.s. I also think this is related to the topic in some way if not directly: Worshipful Company of Mercers - Wikipedia

Im rereading this thread to see what I missed since I rushed through the first time. (I was excited! lol)
the writing was/is the tech [ProGraming]
the 'Magi' yes, indeed [In Deed]

I havent read this authors stuff The Hooked X: Book but by just briefly watching some of the vids he is speaking in, I think (not even sure if he does yet) that the Ox was not the first letter, I think it is possible it was the letter 'X'

hard for me to explain but this is the Magi we are talking about here and the written word is a craft (priest craft actually) and X marks the spot, is the mark of a marksman, and I have seen modern catholic priest that were well versed in many languages and writing, write their own signature/autograph with an 'X' only.
they made everything but here is how they made money with time travel: On Principal And Interest, Hermetic Magick, And The Lords of Time
 
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Username: Gerardgeert
Date: 2019-02-03 20:22:53
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I have to check the double-headed eagle thread jet, but i just wanted to express a thought.....i am confinced that the double-head is a phoenix.....so when there is a single head it may respresent the common-folks(there legacy will not rise again and again).....i know this thought doesn’t hold for all flags(because of the russia flag and others).....but it might aswell be the reason for the symbol mostly dissapering from flags, but still being prominent in masonry
......just to make it clear again, i’m just babbeling......the phoenicians got a G instead of a T.......ha......masonic G....first thought aye ?

All those dna-test geneology’s, and never have they included me
Is it because i don’t know, or is it just a lot of bull

“they” are the law-makers, them who call me a Law-breaker
Damn tirants :)) dum as phony’s
Supersticious bunch of traitors

Sorry for calling some phoenician name calling
But that’s comes with the Natural-law, of self-defence

Speaking of that; ??‍? Electric-universe
It just gave me so much peace of mind aye
All of them worshiped symbols are all natural-fenomena
And you know what the superstitious do, when then are confronted with sign’s from the heavens......they probebly think: blood-sacrafice...right

So far my point of view, but i know that’s probably not all of it
Maybe they want to kick there gods in the butt one day
But that’s for later right,... first some more facts

Nice one ??♠??
 
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Username: Lurck
Date: 2019-02-07 04:23:01
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This is an interesting thread, judging by what I've skimmed through mostly on the first two pages. I just joined this site, so I could get involved in some discussions like this one. I noticed that Miles Mathis has been discussed briefly a few times on this site. One of his guest writers had a 4 part paper about the ancient Phoenicians a few months ago at ANCIENT SPOOKS (that's part 1). But if you go back farther in time you find that different planetary arrangements and global cataclysms occurred probably about 5,000 years ago which led to ancient myths and which have a lot of common themes worldwide. The phoenix, eagle, sacred cow and so on are among those common motifs. There's a lot of literature accessible at Catastrophism: Man, Myth and Mayhem in Ancient History and the Sciences that mostly goes into ancient myths. That's a search page where you can search for any word or phrase from the literature, which is mostly from the 1970s to early 2000s. According to what the ancients apparently said themselves, Saturn, Venus and Mars were very close to Earth as a planetary subsystem, which broke up about 5,000 years ago, when each of them attained separate orbits around the Sun. The sun gods were actually initially the planet Saturn. Venus initially appeared like a large comet. Mars appeared to be a god who was born from Venus and grew large by moving closer to the Earth and then grew small again as it moved back close to Venus in an unstable configuration. These movements and associated electrical effects and streams or clouds of meteors, dust and plasma produced effects that looked like dragons and chaos monsters etc which were incorporated into myths and religions. There does seem to have been fairly advanced ancient civilization about the time of the cataclysms, as is evidenced e.g. by ancient maps, such as showing Antarctica etc free of ice. Continental drift and the ice age (and the great flood etc) were recent events caused by the cataclysms, i.e. asteroid and meteor impacts, tsunamis etc.

Phoenicians (a website about them):
Phoenicians | Truth Control

References to Phoenicia in Catastrophist Literature
Catastrophism: Man, Myth and Mayhem in Ancient History and the Sciences

Did the Ancient Phoenicians (and Israelis) Have Colonies in South America?
Did the Ancient Phoenicians (and Israelis) Have Colonies in South America?

Trojan War by Baltic Sea, not Mediterranean (This to me is a major find that, though probably not connected to the Phoenicians, seems to be an important part of forgotten history. The Greeks, i.e. Mycenaeans, according to this, came from northern Europe, i.e. Scandinavia, Denmark, Germany, Poland. The Trojan War occurred in southern Finland near the Baltic coast. Much of the population moved south since about 1600BC, due to a cooling climate. It was previously much warmer there.)
Homer in the Baltic. Summary
 
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Username: Lurck
Date: 2019-02-07 16:56:42
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Thanks, WhiteWave. I read an article online a year or two ago about the Phoenicians having explored the Pacific, so here's a search for that and maybe similar articles: phoenicians pacific - Google Search
 
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Username: Gerardgeert
Date: 2019-02-07 23:56:29
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I always got in contact with the phoenicians, and always i got distracted by something else

The last 2 weeks i noticed 3 compilation vids, mentioning CIA .....Aka giureh & chatzefratz
This guy was probably the first amateur-style to get me focused with His Pharao show
And now after all of them years it seems to hit ground

Now I just checked webster tarpley
In the 1990’s he talks about the manipulation of “science”, with wich he seems to lock-on to the geo-centric-thing
Atleast that is how i hear it, .......evendo; the man is talking about the ‘venicians’ manipulating politics
I just find it amazing the way my mind has opend,...... it all seems to fit more neatly
.......
So i thought of sharing this one; it is a 2part video, with the title “bertrand Russel”(it may sound a little misleading)
The first part is not that relevant for now, but i include it for those who like to check-up on extra’s(About hiroshima)
.......
But this next one is just pure amusement; he goes trough venetian power struggle, and ending-up with newton
It is not really a conclusion of all things, but this video may open-your-mind in an unexpected way( posibility’s of “a truth more stranger than fiction”)

webster tarpley: on dumbass arrogance being used for financial gain(i just re-named the vid)


They are trying to enslave us with a static world-dream, Evendo they are the ‘venus-ians
.................
There has to be an rational explenation for all of them irrational behaviour right
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-02-15 19:56:42
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I think this here could be related.

 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-02-16 00:49:12
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He's got some interesting conspiracy information but I can't help but tune out (partially) when they start talking about alien intervention.
 
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Username: Popaturdout
Date: 2019-03-28 23:23:19
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Awesome thread! Im new and would love too add some more to the discussion since no one here has mentioned the Hyksos and their connection. Egyptian priest Mantheo who lived during the Ptolemaic Kingdom identified these Asiatic rulers of north Egypt after the end of the 12th dynasty as "Hyksos" which in Egyptian means "rulers of foreign countries" and also known as "Shepard Kings". They where the first to observe the changing of the new age of Aries from the last age of Taurus which non Hyksos of Egypt still practiced.

There are too many similarities to the Hyksos and the Biblical Israelites and all their figures and stories. The more you dig into them the more you realize they are one and the same. Here are a few similarities:

*King Mayebra is said to be the first of the Hyksos rulers in Egypt and also ruled part of canaan. His name is similar to Abraham/Abram and the "First" of a bloodline. Hundreds of scaraboid seals bearing his name have been found throughout Canaan, Egypt, Nubia, and as far away as Carthage, where some were still in use 1500 years after his death soo a very significant figure. Also as shown on this thread Carthage is an important Phoenician colony.

*Then we have Mayebra's successor Yakub Har. A similar name to biblical Jacob don't you think? Yaqubs throne name is Meruserra Mer-user-ra. Meaning "Loved by the Strength of God." If you dispense the Mer you left with User-Ra "Strength of God" which is exactly the same meaning that's attributed to Gods name he gives Jacob "Israel". Yakub Har was also known as Yak-Baal and Baal being a Canaanite deity.

*Then you got the most famous connection with Akhenaten the creator of the first Monotheistic religion called Atonism. Extremely similar to Moses and also because of that new system being pushed on Egypt the Upper kingdoms (upper Egypt actually means lower in Egypt very weird) they started despising this new formed religion and eventually had them exiled out of Egypt which is extremely similar to the Israelite exodus. Also before the Hyksos exodus Akhenaten had a meeting with the upper Thebes pharaoh where I suspect they made a deal with each other to get the Hyksos to leave. Very similar to the biblical account of The Story of Moses and the Pharaoh. They stripped the temples to the north dry before leaving and also I suspect the Thebes gave them most of their riches and supplies in the deal.

There are endless connections if you research the subject. I think on their return to Canaan they tried to rebuild what they had in Egypt and tried to erase that part of history and rebuild their empire they once had by making a propaganda piece. Its very interesting stuff and I think its plays a huge role in this topic on Phoenicians.
 
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Username: Juzzer
Date: 2019-03-29 11:11:50
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I’ve fully gone down the rabbit hole in this one, thanks to you all for this ?

I’ve been doing some research on The Hittites and wondering how they fit into all of this?

They’re said to be just as powerful as Egypt,
we’re told in 1595 this Empire marched all the way from their capital Hattusa in Turkey down to Babylon just to completely destroy the city of Babylon to march all the way back... which ultimately ends in the death of their king.

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Hittite ruin of Hattusa

Kassites from the Zagros Mountains of north western Ancient Iran entered an already empty Babylon, ushering in a dynasty that lasted for 435 years, until 1160 BC. The city was renamed Karanduniash during this period. From 1365-1053 BC Kassite Babylon became subject to the Middle Assyrian Empire from the north, and Elam to the east, with both powers vying for control of the city. The Assyrian king Tukulti-Ninurta I took the throne of Babylon in 1235 BC.. how much of this narrative is actually true?

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Tudhaliya IV (relief in Hattusa).

I’ve heard rumours they’re partly responsible for the surge of people migrating throughout the Mediterranean known to the Egyptians as “the Sea Peoples”, they seem to have had a big reach during the collapse of the Bronze Age..

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Syrian Lion Statue

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2019-03-29 16:09:30
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Damn it is funny how things connect, that particular phrase, Lucifer son of the morning, i'm gona chase you out of earth. That is the lyric from this tune.


It has also spawned a few remixes!
 
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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2019-03-29 23:52:59
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These are the "elite" Phoenecians/Venitians today.


and in



at 20 seconds.

The start of the age of chaos and rampant creativity in all enlightened and destructive aspects was the beginning of the end of the bicameral mind. The Apple of Eden in the movie and game represents the apple the serpent gave Eve taken from the Tree of Knowledge. The movie suggests that inside this apple is the means to reassert bicameral mind control. The Venitians with good intent of course... would like to return mankind to the Eden of the bicameral mind where they, the powers that be (TPTB) - are in charge. Independence and unfettered creativity would be a casualty of that effort. The end of the age of the bicameral mind is supposedly around 500BC according to Jaynes. Add 1000 years per Fomenko and my guess is it was around 500AD. The original Phoenicians were the most advanced civilization during the tail ending of the bicameral age. Their written language led to many other written languages like Hebrew and was the main cause of the breakdown of the bicameral mind.
 
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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-03-30 13:54:32
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Unfortunately hardly any of the articles links are working ? Looks interesting.
 
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Username: whitewave
Date: 2019-03-30 19:08:34
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In Purchase-His Pilgrimage, Purchase mentions that the same thing happened to the Jews. There were several different sects of Jews (Hassidic, Karaim, Essenes, etc.) who all got along fairly well until they started putting the "doctrines" in writing and making cannon law then the arguments and divisions got serious. Still, I'd rather have written language than to not have it.
 
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Username: tupperaware
Date: 2019-03-31 03:04:37
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Jaynes theory is that non elite minds were talking right side to left. The right side recorded direct and indirect dictates from the elite ruling class. The working class were marionette'd and to a lesser degree so were the elite who probably had rituals to tune into their right side brain for commandment inspirations. Necromancers might have specialized in conjuring marching orders from the dead. A trance state was not needed to get "direction" - it flowed naturally into workaday consciousness. Trance states were needed later as the gate closed between the two halves of the brain. Janyes says it was primarily due to written language becoming a replacement for Voice control. As the Voice subsided a few gifted people became the oracles and desert dwelling madmen recorded in the bible and elsewhere. Imagine putting together a group of functional schizophrenics on an island for a few decades without books and writing and my guess they form a society vaguely similar to those pre 500BC according to Jaynes. The degree of "zombie" like state is unknown. My guess is it was relatively subtle but certainly societies were very much different than those today. I have not read his book but spent some time at the forum Julian Jaynes Society Discussion Forum: Exploring Consciousness and the Bicameral Mind Theory since 1997 - Board Index. Sometimes its better not to get bogged down by detail while making interesting stolen history connections. Later for the book.

The Phoenicians may have had an advantage over other cultures since they may have awakened from this voice controlled slumber gaining major tactical advantage. With everybody in a culture becoming "clever" its easy to see the advantage over cultures where just the elite had a monopoly on cleverness.


Strange large or bright eyed statues might have been used to maintain or awaken the right side for some trans-hemisphere conversation.

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Perhaps instead of or in addition to written language it was a change in parasite infection rates or form that caused the breakdown.
Helicobacter pylori: a role in schizophrenia? - PubMed - NCBI
Relationship between toxoplasmosis and schizophrenia: A review. - PubMed - NCBI

Maybe a change in infectious organisms like this or some other brings it back initially in subtle form and this possibility is suggested in the movie Assassins Creed. Perhaps a sequel will have the Apple of Eden opened up to extract some ancient DNA of one of these quite different organisms or maybe a virus that alters DNA to lower the gate between right and left side.

Interestingly, there are very effective herbal treatments to subdue H.Pylori. The stomach/gut is thought to be the bodies second brain and that is where 90% of the neurotransmitter serotonin is made. The microbiome, immunity, and schizophrenia and bipolar disorder

Most interesting to me now is that adding 1000 years for history time line correction per Fomenko to 500BC for the breakdown date per Jaynes = 500AD.

Perhaps the double headed eagle crest with eagles looking away from each other represented early on this separation and conquest over voice controlled cultures. I much prefer the double eagle state of mind. My wife and her friends will be having a "reading" at our house shortly and I might peek in to listen to the reader... however sitting in the meeting and asking a few questions might stifle her right side voice.





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links tested working

Phoenician Celts and Venetian Phoenicians
Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia
Oldest Hebrew and Samaritan Script and Language were nothing but Phoenician
 
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Username: Gerardgeert
Date: 2019-03-31 13:08:50
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@PrincepAugus, ? maybe you wanna go to the website https://www.deepstatemappingproject.com(look for cult of baal)

@tupperaware, But you just couldend resist.......??Thanks for “Jaynes”(i will go down there)

And i could post some more vids, but you’ll may be on that trail allready right
YT is just exploding on phoenicians and scytians at the moment

♠???
 
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