SH Archive When does it start to curve?

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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-02-29 17:42:57
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Could be. Or that isn't the actual configuration of the Earth, like KD posted. Or the atmospheric effects are magnified because the sun is so large and far away relative to any example we see on Earth (like the planes you mentioned previously) that the apparent position of the Sun is disturbed. Or again, maybe the sun isn't a tangible object anyway.
 
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Username: fabiorem
Date: 2020-02-29 17:54:53
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This one is not flat, its concave. And the sun would still be moving in the horizontal.
Unless the terrain creates a optical illusion, since the sun would appear diagonally in relation to the observer.


Or maybe we have two suns and they move in a ping-pong fashion?
And maybe these two suns are just reflections of Polaris, which is show in the north pole?

The problem is that this cant be proven. Everytime I see flat-earthers trying to prove it, its always that fanatical talk about indoctrination, conspiracy, NASA, etc. Why they dont do more experiments like the guy from the optics video?

Buache map shows Antarctica as two big islands, and he writes as "conjecture" that the south pole would be a sea. This was before the continent froze in the 19th century.
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-02-29 18:02:39
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Yes, it can't be proven, but unless one accepts the space agencies as credible sources of information, then neither can the globe. So, if one is trying to prove that the earth is flat, that's an overreach, but if one holds the globe to the same standard, it is also an overreach.
 
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Username: fabiorem
Date: 2020-02-29 18:11:14
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I'm only following direct observation. I see the sun rise in the east and set in the west, doing an arc while it travels above the Earth. And while its night here, its day in the other side of the planet, so I assume it to be round. If this is a optical illusion, it would need a explanation for it.

This dont means I believe the universe is infinite or even that the stars are like the sun and hold other planets, or that the heliocentric model is true.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-02-29 18:15:38
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What possible relevance does anything above my head have to do with what I am standing on?
 
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Username: fabiorem
Date: 2020-02-29 18:19:06
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Relative movement. In the heliocentric model, the Earth moves around the sun. In the geocentric model, the sun moves around Earth. You are stationary on Earth, so the movement of the sun relative to it can give a clue about its shape.
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-02-29 18:19:49
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I understand where you are coming from. I just don't have any idea what the sun is or even where the "other side of the planet" is, as far as exact layouts of the continents goes, so I am not comfortable extrapolating the sun's apparent motion into a shape of a planet.
 
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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-02-29 18:23:45
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Sorry gents and gals, my reply went off-line due to curfew (deserved) and therefor I "missed the boat" so to speak. Kinda relevant for the discussion here so blatantly paste again.

 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-02-29 19:49:36
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I am indeed sat still on earth. Earth is not still I am told.
Its position relative to the sun is one of motion as it spins about its axis and it spins around the suns axis so my position is also one of motion.
Your response ignores this.
 
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Username: fabiorem
Date: 2020-02-29 20:33:58
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If you are stationary inside a bus, and the bus is moving, you are still stationary in relation to the bus. Same thing with Earth. So the observation must be done from Earth in relation to the sun.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-02-29 21:27:28
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A bus doesn't spin. The claim is the earth does.

But just 'cos it''s interesting let's swap the bus for a sports car.
When a sports car sets off, having been held on its brakes, the forwards motion of the car slams you in your back as it isn't youu that is being pushed forwards by the engines rotation but the tyres which are connected to the wheels (which are connected to the drive shaft of the engine which is spinning due to the pushing action inside the cylinders as petrol is ignited and pushes outwards from the point of ignition pushing the pistons away) are pushed onto the road which they grip and the pushing force creates a forwards motion of the car but not its contents in this case you and the air within it.

When this pushing force that has caused the seat to slam you in the back you are being pushed along at the same speed as everything else in the car including the air..
If it stops suddenly you lurch forwards in the seat because you and the air are moving faster than the car is due to the rapid removal of the pushing force created by the act of braking. No seatbelt and you will hit the windscreen as it is slowing down faster than you are.

A spinning earth, moving bus, moving car have no bearing on my determining the shape of the thing I am sat on.
 
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Username: NovaFeedback
Date: 2020-02-29 21:30:56
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The bus is enclosed. Try a convertible. Or bike.

Moreover, you can totally feel the bus moving, expecially when it curves, and the earth shold be spinning in one direction...

Are you suggesting that the earth is enclosed too? Because the non-sense bullshit explanation of vacuum / non vacuum without a physical barrier is well... total crap.

The atmo"sphere" spinning perfectly in sync is more bullshit, and simply impossible.

I don't understand if you are simply delusional or a troll/shill. Like those @ the flat earth society (controlled opposition joke fake forum).
Or maybe an energetic vampire. No offense, but replying to this wikipedia-like fake claims and bullshit explanations is just a waste of time.
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-02-29 21:31:37
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When you are on a moving bus, you FEEL movement, even though you are stationary relative to the bus.

The only time I’ve ever felt movement on Earth was during an earthquake.

This will open the door to the argument that we only feel acceleration.

But I would counter this and say that I simply do not believe that Earth’s spin always has pure constant velocity.

There is no example of constant velocity in nature around us that we can perceive and that NEVER falters.

Not to mention, where is this infinite energy coming from to keep the Earth spinning?
 
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Username: fabiorem
Date: 2020-02-29 22:09:47
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That's because the bus is much smaller than Earth.

I'm not going to continue this discussion. When the flat-earthers present in this thread bring some real scientific evidence, then I will listen to them.
For now, its just a fantasy, and a PsyOp from TPTB to divert from the real shape, which is the hollow Earth.
 
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Username: zatrix
Date: 2020-02-29 23:50:50
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I’m not a flat earther, but I will readily point out things that experientially do not make sense.

I can only trust that which I can experience.
If I cannot experience it then I must somehow judge who is telling a better fairy tale. This is a difficult task.

People often appeal to science as a way of justifying their faith-based beliefs.

We can all introspect ourselves and validate where our knowledge about something comes from. If it doesn’t come from something we can experience then it is subject to any number of distortions.

And so here we are, the bus example you gave is a model, metaphor, abstraction, it is not necessarily reality.

Appealing to metaphors is interesting food for thought but it is not on the same level as experience.
 
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Username: Dorothy
Date: 2020-03-01 01:32:51
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Built an app, simulation and real time test see WALTER BISLINS-EN BLOG
But your not alone when it comes to the moon.
See. Ancient code.com artificial base
Who placed the moon there?
 
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Username: NovaFeedback
Date: 2020-03-01 07:55:55
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The same creator(s) that made everthing, maybe?

Some things we'll never know, we just have to realize that, and be cool with it.

Yes, we don't know really, but it's a lot better than the bullshit explanations of "scientists" and all the other lying freemasonic manipulators...
 
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Username: Bunnyman
Date: 2020-03-01 08:31:03
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There are no mysteries, only unknowns.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2020-03-01 10:02:55
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A question that has no answer as the constant spin is a presumption. When I watch a basketball or football being spun on a finger it is indeed moving around its axis through to the finger hoding it up. It only began to spin when the human hand applied a pushing force to its surface.
With that force being withdrawn the ball will slow down and stop. The only thing that can get it spinnng again s the pushing force applied to its surface.
Everything that spins in everyday lived life is started by a pushing force on a surface and this can be demonstrated ad infinitum.
The spin of the earth is not demonstrable. The presumption sits o visual phenomena of watching the luminaries without attending to how our visual apparatus functions and in ignorance of the bodies ability to detect motion.
 
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