SH Archive Who was this 30 foot tall Kegtolochus Rex?

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While working on an unrelated article I ran into this little 1882 paragraph pertaining to the Giants of Old. It is talking about 25-33 foot Giants. Iy specifically mentions one named Kegtolochus Rex. "Rex" means King in Latin language. Kegtolochus is only mentioned in Google as it pertains to this same very book it was found in.

We know that in Greek mythology, Antilochus was the son of Nestor, king of Pylos, and was one of the Acheans in the Trojan War. But who was this Kegtolochus?

Basically, I was wondering if anyone ever heard of this name, or may be has an idea of breaking it down to the point from where further leads could be acquired.

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quite a odd name almost looks like a scientific name of a animal

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
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I think its because they attached that Rex / King thing to a cerain dinosaur, and general scientific use of the Latin language.

On a separate note makes you start thinking why the Latin became our scientific language for different medical terms and other definitions and names. Could we simply be building upon some ancient data base?

 

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Username: humanoidlord
Date: 2018-06-03 00:09:30
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I think its because they attached that Rex / King thing to a cerain dinosaur, and general scientific use of the Latin language.

On a separate note makes you start thinking why the Latin became our scientific language for different medical terms and other definitions and names. Could we simply be building upon some ancient data base?

well its still better than naming animals shit like GH256

 

[Magnus]

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Date: 2018-06-03 01:50:33
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I think maybe Latin was the universal language of tartaria or atlantis. Modern emphasis is on "latin is a dead language" - yea sounds like something a victor in war would brainwash the survivors with: nobody speaks your language anymore.

Love this post, how did you find the book entry? Threads like this one are so interesting and unique and why I visit this site every day and check for new interesting things to read. Thanks so much!! Please continue your good work ???

 

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Love this post, how did you find the book entry?

Ran into it while looking up stuff for this 1816/no summer article.

The dead language, or the language of the dead... makes you wonder.

 

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On a separate note makes you start thinking why the Latin became our scientific language for different medical terms and other definitions and names. Could we simply be building upon some ancient data base?

used in the sciences because it is a dead language. a dead language can no longer change over time since it is no longer in active/living use (if it ever was?) and because it does not change, it is most precise.

 

[wild heretic]

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While working on an unrelated article I ran into this little 1882 paragraph pertaining to the Giants of Old. It is talking about 25-33 foot Giants. Iy specifically mentions one named Kegtolochus Rex. "Rex" means King in Latin language. Kegtolochus is only mentioned in Google as it pertains to this same very book it was found in.

We know that in Greek mythology, Antilochus was the son of Nestor, king of Pylos, and was one of the Acheans in the Trojan War. But who was this Kegtolochus?

Basically, I was wondering if anyone ever heard of this name, or may be has an idea of breaking it down to the point from where further leads could be acquired.

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Excellent find.

Goes to show giants were around at some point in recent history. I'm thinking the middle ages had a lot of 10 to 12 footers (if not most people were this height) with a few bigger ones thrown in. Early middle ages probably had the really big ones at 20 to 30 feet as the norm.

We were always told medieval people were midgets. It looks like the opposite is true for at least some of them.

It also means that the Jesus character or characters were also "giants" I would guess. Let's have a look.

Well well well. Just opened the Aberdeen Bestiary (1100s AD allegedly) and look what we find:

New high-resolution scan of medieval Aberdeen Bestiary

Those lions and horses look very small in comparison to the sitting down Jesus figure opposite.

Full manuscript here.
Folio 1r - In principio. The Creation: The Aberdeen Bestiary

 

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Excellent find.

Goes to show giants were around at some point in recent history. I'm thinking the middle ages had a lot of 10 to 12 footers (if not most people were this height) with a few bigger ones thrown in. Early middle ages probably had the really big ones at 20 to 30 feet as the norm.

We were always told medieval people were midgets. It looks like the opposite is true for at least some of them.

It also means that the Jesus character or characters were also "giants" I would guess. Let's have a look.

Well well well. Just opened the Aberdeen Bestiary (1100s AD allegedly) and look what we find:

New high-resolution scan of medieval Aberdeen Bestiary

Those lions and horses look very small in comparison to the sitting down Jesus figure opposite.

Full manuscript here.
Folio 1r - In principio...; the Creation | The Aberdeen Bestiary | The University of Aberdeen

Or tis the ever popular man has dominion over the beasts/earth meme the religionistas are very fond of.

 

[Onthebit]

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Or tis the ever popular man has dominion over the beasts/earth meme the religionistas are very fond of.

yes he's depicted same size as the 'man' he creates from what appears to be a woman or transgender individual. (few pages further than the one in the op)

 

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Or tis the ever popular man has dominion over the beasts/earth meme the religionistas are very fond of.

religion or not, hard to argue otherwise. if the earth and the animals could speak to us in a language we comprehend, what would they have to say about it? dominion is not ownership FWIW

it would also seem that a giant race of man would have dominion here over a smaller one. thats why this is so puzzling to me.

 

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religion or not, hard to argue otherwise. if the earth and the animals could speak to us in a language we comprehend, what would they have to say about it? dominion is not ownership FWIW

it would also seem that a giant race of man would have dominion here over a smaller one. thats why this is so puzzling to me.

We are in communication with everything. might be 'a bit cloudy' about the method but it's there.

 

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Username: Deleted_x7
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We are in communication with everything. might be 'a bit cloudy' about the method but it's there.

you did not honor my question to you before making this reply/point out of it, which I agree with to some extent, and honor. dominion is always an option and it is the norm obviously.

 

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Apologies old man thought it was rhetorical.
What would they say? I cannot presume to answer for them nor second guess what if anything they say. They might be screaming or laughing at but we are taught to hear with ears and see with eyes, perhaps we have it the wrong way round?

 

[archangelclk]

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In Steve Quayles Encyclopedia of giants this chart is pictured. I don't recall reading about this Kegtolochus Rex guy but I will take a look to see if I can find anything on him. From my understanding the majority or large giants lived preflood time. Post flood there were many remains that were discovered and on display throughout the world, but most of them were only fragmented remains such as skulls, thigh bones, hands etc.

 

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Relevant to the op.
Hans Sloane, Claude-Nicolas Le Cat, and Gigantology
and this from the comments on that page
The Latter-Day Saints' Millennial Star
Having read more on jason colavito's site he comes across as a 'gatekeeper' to my eyes not least because he dismisses the newport tower (which i had never seen before) as "probably a colonial windmil" missing out the word 'unique' as it is unlike any windmill design i have seen or been in. Here we have a saying to describe people like this."talking out of his arse".

 

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We are in communication with everything. might be 'a bit cloudy' about the method but it's there.

What would they say? I cannot presume to answer for them nor second guess what if anything they say.

nevermind.

 

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nevermind.

You have a grasp of reality i don't, que sera.

 

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I think its because they attached that Rex / King thing to a cerain dinosaur, and general scientific use of the Latin language.

scientific nomenclature is a bit of a mix between latin/greek and whatever (especially in biology, loads of things named after other scientists, but then with latinised pre-/suf-fixes)
especially when looking at botanic names for plants!

so this name Kegtolochus might be a mis-pronounced reinterpretation of the name. For example (bear with me!) in the history or Britain, we have "Brutus" of Troy founding "Britain". Now I was looking for any mention of a dude called Brutus in Greek history... nothing. But we also have the name "Pretani" for britain..
I've dug about a bit and found the name PROTHOUS in Greece (even a commander's name from the Trojan war)... I can see how Prothous could quite easily become pronounced Brutus over a short while!
so maybe "Kegtolochus" could be a slightly edited version of the original name?!?

 

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It looks like the below article is talking about the same 25 foot giant, only this time his name is somewhat different.

• OP name: Kegtolochus Rex
• Updated name: Theutobochus Rex
• World-Historical Individual: Teutobod
  • Teutobod was a king of the Teutons, who, together with the Cimbri invaded the Roman Republic in the Cimbrian War, won a spectacular victory at the Battle of Arausio in 105 BC. He was captured at the Battle of Aquae Sextiae in 102 BC.
  • At the Battle of Aquae Sextiae the Teutons were virtually annihilated and Teutobod along with, reportedly, 20,000 of his people were captured.
  • After this, he and his tribe drop out from history.
  • He most likely was sent to Rome for a triumphal procession to celebrate his defeat, then ritually executed afterwards.

1764-65

Dodsley's Annual Register, Volume 7

I think it's safe to assume that Theutobochus Rex is the same giant mentioned in the OP. Both articles are virtually the same. This time searching for the giant's name produced some results.

• Teutobochus - Wikipedia

Teutobochus was a legendary giant and king of the Teutons. Large bones discovered in 1613 were claimed to be his skeleton. In 1869 W.A. Seaver wrote: "In times more modern (1613), some masons digging near the ruins of a castle in Dauphiné, in a field which by tradition had long been called 'The Giant's Field,' at a depth of 18 feet discovered a brick tomb 30 feet long, 12 feet wide, and 8 feet high, on which was a gray stone with the words 'Theutobochus Rex' cut thereon.

• Museum of Aix, The Tomb of Teutobochus, vintage engraved illustration. Magasin Pittoresque 1844.
• KD: I have not seen the mentioned 1844 magazine, but the linked page claims that this is the depiction of the King's tomb

When the tomb was opened they found a human skeleton entire, 25-1/2 feet long, 10 feet wide across the shoulders, and 5 feet deep from the breast to the back. His teeth were about the size of an ox's foot, and his shin-bone measured 4 feet in length."

The bones were displayed in Paris by Pierre Mazurier, a surgeon who claimed to be one of the finders.

Elephant

After the finding of the bones, the legend of the king Teutobochus, which was thought to be the Teuton king defeated by Caius Marius, spread despite analysis by anatomist Jean Riolan the Younger, who ascribed the bones to one of Hannibal's elephants.

• Three centuries later, the zoologist Henri Marie Ducrotay de Blainville analyzed the bones and concluded they came from a mastodon.
• Finally in the 1980s, the paleontologist Léonard Ginsburg analyzed a plaster mold from Paris' Muséum national d'histoire naturelle, that came from the giant bones, and identified a deinotherium.
• The bones are housed in the Gallery of Paleontology and Comparative Anatomy.

Deinotherium

As you can see, it took our scientists 367 years to "positively" identify "a plaster mold." Deinotherium ("terrible beast" derived from the Ancient Greek δεινός, deinos meaning "terrible" and θηρίον, therion meaning "beast") was a large prehistoric relative of modern-day elephants.

• Deinotherium appeared in the Middle Miocene and survived until the Early Pleistocene.
  • Went extinct: 2.58 - 0.77 mln years ago
• 
  
• During that time, it changed very little. In life, it probably resembled modern elephants, except it had downward-curving tusks attached to the lower jaw.

D. giganteum skull from Oxford University

Here is what adult species of these Deinotherium were supposed to look like I guess. Sounds like we have 2 complete skeletons, and a few additional bones, though I am not sure.

Man vs. Elephant

The skeleton of this Deinotherium looks virtually identical to that of our contemporary elephant. Sure there can be differences a scientist would recognize. At the same time does this skeleton look like it could belong to a humanoid? I don't think so.

On the other hand, if our "elephant" looked something like this... well... may be... I don't know.

We are also supposed to believe that cyclops did not exist.

• Polyphemus - Wikipedia
• The blinding of Polyphemus

I was unable to find any pictures of the actual "elephant" bones they allegedly keep at the Gallery of Paleontology and Comparative Anatomy. And I have no idea what plaster mold was given to Léonard Ginsburg to analyze.

The below 1657 publication casts doubt on the entire story. At the same time it is hard to blame its author for being skeptical, if all he had was a secondary source of information.

There are several 16th-17th century publications mentioning Theutobochus. Most are in Latin. If Theutobochus and Teutobod were indeed one and the same... could it add some credibility to the story? Let's see what else we have.

Teutonic Mythology

1883 Source

Teutons - Titans

I got sucked into this rabbit hole. So far it appears that both Teutons and Titans were giants. Do we have any textual connection between the two? The first book I ran into, gave me more than I bargained for. The Sioux are in the mix?

Simple google-searching produced the following: 2019 book titled Myths of the Rhine.

And one more pub dated with 1811...

I do not know if the above information is credible, but it sounds interesting enough to prompt further investigation.

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KD: Anyways, take it for what you will. I think that something like this cannot be properly investigated within a single post. I definitely was not planning on going even that far.

Too sad that our main stream historians have their hands tied.