SH Archive 16th century Tartarian King Tartarrax ruled Quivira Regnum in North America

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I mentioned the Ainu before when I found out that the oldest archaeological find in America were the remains of Ainu (40,000 years) and predate the Native Americans arrival here (14,000 years). In fact, it's probable that the "Native Americans" wiped out the original inhabitants (Ainu). They were the original inhabitants of Japan and the Japanese nearly wiped them out on their land there. They're pretty much isolated to the North of Japan now and are almost extinct as a separate race, having interbred with the Japanese.

The Native Americans themselves mention two different arrivals of their people: one coming from the North and one coming from the South. The Cherokees (my heritage) came from the South through a cave tunnel that arrived in Kentucky. The Inuit claim to have had a migration from the North (nothing more specific than "North").

 

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How about the Ainu (Aino) people of Northern Japan, you know the white bearded natives of the Japanese Islands.

The Ainu are in the right area and Anian Regnum next to Quivir --so the Kingdom of the Ania/ainu/aino? Ania/Asia??

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Here are some pictures of the Ainu. The lip tattoo reminds me of the fish lips the ladies like to achieve with injections today. LOL.View attachment 18961
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I was reading about this culture some time back and thought it odd that the Japanese weren't even close to being the first inhabitants of Japan. Although some of the population has interbred with the Japanese and Russians to some extent, they mostly try to keep their culture and to their own genetic group. Here is a picture of a an Ainu today,

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Lots more pictures Tattooed Ladies of the Ainu and in Google Images of more Ainu

From this article Who are the Ainu People:

In their Yukar Upopo (Ainu Legends) is told, “The Ainu lived in this place a hundred thousand years before the Children of the Sun came”.

The Ainu are thought to be connected to ancestry that might be in common with those of Native Americans – one connection lies in the detection of the common presence of Haplogroup X in both populations. Haplogroup X is traceable to ancient remains of Altaians in the Gobi desert, as well as to the Altai populations today, but ultimately to the Druze, Basque, and other European populations of the Caucasus. Although it is not at the moment, known how the Haplogroup X arrived in the Ainu ancestral lines, nor to Native American populations in ancient times, a 1998 study concluded that Native American founders may have had Caucasian ancestry. For more on this see DNA analyses and inferred genetic origins of the Ainu.

And from Wiki:
Although there have been attempts to show that the Ainu language and the Japanese language are related, modern scholars have rejected that the relationship goes beyond contact, such as the mutual borrowing of words between Japanese and Ainu. No attempt to show a relationship with Ainu to any other language has gained wide acceptance, and Ainu is currently considered to be a language isolate.[65]

Maybe these are survivors from whatever changed the shape of these continents.

Plissken

The women are wearing big copper? Necklaces, too.

 

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Came up on some fun info pertaining to the North American continent, and its possible relation to Tartary. Here is what we have. Francisco Vázquez de Coronado was a Spanish conquistador and explorer who led a large expedition from Mexico to present-day Kansas through parts of the southwestern United States between 1540 and 1542. In the 16th century, the Spaniards in New Spain (now Mexico) began to hear rumors of "Seven Cities of Gold" called "Cíbola" located across the desert, hundreds of miles to the north.

Below you can see the official route of the Coronado's expedition. I think this route makes very little sense, keep on tracking, and I will explain why.

View attachment 4192

This expedition is very well documented, and the internet is full of various types of information pertaining to their travels. But I think not everything is as clear as it seems.

Francisco Vázquez de Coronado
View attachment 4193
1510-1554

As the story goes, Coronado was not your regular explorer. He was a conquistador, and was looking for gold. Actually he was looking for the Seven Cities of Gold which were also known as the Seven Cities of Cibola. The cities were Hawikuh, Halona, Matsaki, Quivira, Kiakima, Cibola, and Kwakina.

We have at least two sources mentioning these seven cities. There could be more, but

• Pedro de Castaneda, the historian of the expedition: “In the year 1530 Nuno de Guzman, who was president of New Spain, had in his possession an Indian, one of the natives of the Valley of Otixipar, who was called Tejo by the Spaniards. This Indian said he was the son of a trader who was dead, but that when he was a little boy his father had gone into the backcountry with fine feathers to trade for ornaments, and that when he came back he brought a large amount of gold and silver, of which there is a good deal in that country. He went with him once or twice and saw some very large villages, which he compared to Mexico and its environs. He had seen seven very large towns which had their streets of silver workers.”
• Reports given by the four shipwrecked survivors of the failed Narváez expedition, which included Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca and a black moorish slave named Esteban Dorantes, or Estevanico. Eventually returning to New Spain, the adventurers said they had heard stories from natives about cities with great and limitless riches.

However, when Coronado finally arrived at Cíbola in 1540, he discovered that the stories were unfounded and that there were, in fact, no treasures as the friar had described - only adobe towns.

While among the towns, Coronado heard an additional rumor from a native he called "the Turk" that there was a city with plenty of gold called Quivira located on the other side of the great plains. However, when at last he reached this place (variously conjectured to be in modern Kansas, Nebraska or Missouri), he found little more than straw-thatched villages.

Official dogmatic version: The location of Quivira is believed by most authorities to be in central Kansas near present-day Lyons extending northeastern to Salina. The Quivirans were the forebears of the modern day Wichita Indians and Caddoan tribes, such as the Pawnee or Arikara.

* * * * *

Here is where I decided to look at some older maps, as well as do some googling of my own. As you noticed, the official scientists place this Quivira somewhere in central Kansas.

View attachment 4194

So I pulled out my collection of the 16th, 17th century maps, and fairly easily was able to find this Quivira. There was one problem though. Those "uneducated" cartographers of the past placed Quivira approximately 2,000 miles north-west from Kansas. The North American continent has changed since then, but the location of Quivira was in a totally different place. There is a whole bunch of those maps out there. Below are maps dated (in order) 1570, 1598, 1607, and 1630 + 1595 and 1608.

View attachment 4195View attachment 4200View attachment 4196View attachment 4197
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What I also found of great significance, one the maps stated "QUIVIRA REGNUM". As we all should know by now, Regnum from Latin is Kingdom. So essentially we end up with the Kingdom of Quivira. And there can be no Kingdom with no King. Additionally, the 1630 maps contained the following statement. I got no clue what it says, but one word definitely sticks out right?

Tartarians in North America in the 16th century?

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* * * * *

ATTENTION: What I found in my continued research could be interesting for a few forum members, I assume. This Quivira Kingdom was ruled by a King whose name was Tartarrax. Now, I do not think it was his real name. My personal opinion, that the king was referred to as Tartar Rex. "Rex" means King in Latin. From this perspective, we have no idea what the King's name was.

There they had news of Axa and Quivira: where, it was said, “was a king, whose name was Tartarrax, with a long beard, hoary-headed, and rich; which was girded with a Bracamart; which prayed upon a pair of beads; which worshipped a cross of gold and image of a woman the queen of heaven.

Of course, considering that Coronado went to Kansas instead, they found jack nothing, instead of the Kingdom of Quivira and the Tartarian King. Please read the cut out below.

View attachment 4199

Source: 1856 Reports of explorations and surveys. Volume III.

Whoever feels like it, can investigate the Anian Regnum (just above Quivira Regnum) as it relates to Marco Polo. By the way, the official science hates on Anian Regnum, and places it "somewhere" in China. So this Anian Regnum kingdom is also a mystery.

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KD Summary: We had a Tartarian Kingdom in North America ruled by a Tartarian King. Too bad the Continent has changed: Bizarre transformation of the North American Continent: 16th through 19th centuries, and nothing will ever be found.

And I do not know what to think about this "Coronado expedition". It sounds legit, but Kansas? Something is weird there.

Well that puts a new twist on the phrase were not in Kansas anymore Toto....an Coronado looks of Asian decent.

 

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I was interested to see how Quivira Regnum looked on the map overlay I posted on California being an isalnd, as it covers the area where Quivira is shown on the old map. I've watched it a few times (overlay starts at 10 mins) and it looks like modern day location is roughly where Oregon, Nevada and San Fransisco meet. Buried under sand by the look of it, anyone close by get your shovels out - there's gold in them hills!

 

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Of course they were pranksters, what else can the officials say.

The size reference is pretty interesting as well. Giants compared to Spaniards. Would be interesting to know their real sizes.

Need to read this Drake’s Anchorage in California. Sounds bizarre to say the least.

the plains tribes of north america are HUGE people from the mississippi to the rockies... average man is 6'4"-6'5" average woman is 6'. I've met dozens of these people. strong and sturdy, loyal and thoughtful... not tremendously bright or hard-working.

 

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In case it wasn't already noticed, "Anian" might refer to the region of "Ania" (red box) on this map from 1584.

Also, I'm thinking that "Quivira" might be derived from "Kiev" which I think was a major city or capital in the Tartarian Empire.

 

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Also, I'm thinking that "Quivira" might be derived from "Kiev" which I think was a major city or capital in the Tartarian Empire.

Considering where Kiev is today, I'm wondering what makes you place Kiev in the North America.

 

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Considering where Kiev is today, I'm wondering what makes you place Kiev in the North America.

I didn't mean it was literally the city of Kiev, just that it was named after it, like New Amsterdam/York, etc.

 

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Came up on some fun info pertaining to the North American continent, and its possible relation to Tartary. Here is what we have. Francisco Vázquez de Coronado was a Spanish conquistador and explorer who led a large expedition from Mexico to present-day Kansas through parts of the southwestern United States between 1540 and 1542. In the 16th century, the Spaniards in New Spain (now Mexico) began to hear rumors of "Seven Cities of Gold" called "Cíbola" located across the desert, hundreds of miles to the north.

Below you can see the official route of the Coronado's expedition. I think this route makes very little sense, keep on tracking, and I will explain why.

View attachment 4192

This expedition is very well documented, and the internet is full of various types of information pertaining to their travels. But I think not everything is as clear as it seems.

Francisco Vázquez de Coronado
View attachment 4193
1510-1554

As the story goes, Coronado was not your regular explorer. He was a conquistador, and was looking for gold. Actually he was looking for the Seven Cities of Gold which were also known as the Seven Cities of Cibola. The cities were Hawikuh, Halona, Matsaki, Quivira, Kiakima, Cibola, and Kwakina.

We have at least two sources mentioning these seven cities. There could be more, but

• Pedro de Castaneda, the historian of the expedition: “In the year 1530 Nuno de Guzman, who was president of New Spain, had in his possession an Indian, one of the natives of the Valley of Otixipar, who was called Tejo by the Spaniards. This Indian said he was the son of a trader who was dead, but that when he was a little boy his father had gone into the backcountry with fine feathers to trade for ornaments, and that when he came back he brought a large amount of gold and silver, of which there is a good deal in that country. He went with him once or twice and saw some very large villages, which he compared to Mexico and its environs. He had seen seven very large towns which had their streets of silver workers.”
• Reports given by the four shipwrecked survivors of the failed Narváez expedition, which included Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca and a black moorish slave named Esteban Dorantes, or Estevanico. Eventually returning to New Spain, the adventurers said they had heard stories from natives about cities with great and limitless riches.

However, when Coronado finally arrived at Cíbola in 1540, he discovered that the stories were unfounded and that there were, in fact, no treasures as the friar had described - only adobe towns.

While among the towns, Coronado heard an additional rumor from a native he called "the Turk" that there was a city with plenty of gold called Quivira located on the other side of the great plains. However, when at last he reached this place (variously conjectured to be in modern Kansas, Nebraska or Missouri), he found little more than straw-thatched villages.

Official dogmatic version: The location of Quivira is believed by most authorities to be in central Kansas near present-day Lyons extending northeastern to Salina. The Quivirans were the forebears of the modern day Wichita Indians and Caddoan tribes, such as the Pawnee or Arikara.

* * * * *

Here is where I decided to look at some older maps, as well as do some googling of my own. As you noticed, the official scientists place this Quivira somewhere in central Kansas.

View attachment 4194

So I pulled out my collection of the 16th, 17th century maps, and fairly easily was able to find this Quivira. There was one problem though. Those "uneducated" cartographers of the past placed Quivira approximately 2,000 miles north-west from Kansas. The North American continent has changed since then, but the location of Quivira was in a totally different place. There is a whole bunch of those maps out there. Below are maps dated (in order) 1570, 1598, 1607, and 1630 + 1595 and 1608.

View attachment 4195View attachment 4200View attachment 4196View attachment 4197
View attachment 4202View attachment 4203

What I also found of great significance, one the maps stated "QUIVIRA REGNUM". As we all should know by now, Regnum from Latin is Kingdom. So essentially we end up with the Kingdom of Quivira. And there can be no Kingdom with no King. Additionally, the 1630 maps contained the following statement. I got no clue what it says, but one word definitely sticks out right?

Tartarians in North America in the 16th century?

View attachment 4198


* * * * *

ATTENTION: What I found in my continued research could be interesting for a few forum members, I assume. This Quivira Kingdom was ruled by a King whose name was Tartarrax. Now, I do not think it was his real name. My personal opinion, that the king was referred to as Tartar Rex. "Rex" means King in Latin. From this perspective, we have no idea what the King's name was.

There they had news of Axa and Quivira: where, it was said, “was a king, whose name was Tartarrax, with a long beard, hoary-headed, and rich; which was girded with a Bracamart; which prayed upon a pair of beads; which worshipped a cross of gold and image of a woman the queen of heaven.

Of course, considering that Coronado went to Kansas instead, they found jack nothing, instead of the Kingdom of Quivira and the Tartarian King. Please read the cut out below.

View attachment 4199

Source: 1856 Reports of explorations and surveys. Volume III.

Whoever feels like it, can investigate the Anian Regnum (just above Quivira Regnum) as it relates to Marco Polo. By the way, the official science hates on Anian Regnum, and places it "somewhere" in China. So this Anian Regnum kingdom is also a mystery.

View attachment 4201

KD Summary: We had a Tartarian Kingdom in North America ruled by a Tartarian King. Too bad the Continent has changed: Bizarre transformation of the North American Continent: 16th through 19th centuries, and nothing will ever be found.

And I do not know what to think about this "Coronado expedition". It sounds legit, but Kansas? Something is weird there.

You put some elbow work in, nicely done! "COSMOGRAPHIE" HEYLYN 1652....
Cheers!

 

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this came from the Lincoln, Nebraska papers of June 7, 1889. Someone help me out with this: 113 years before 1889 was 1776 and the paper says Tartarrax reign has been for 113 years? I read in some old papers that he had a painting done of him that hung in some long gone store.

 

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The land bridge in the Bering Sea may have been up and running more recently than we are taught.
Tartarians could have crossed and started colonies on the east coast of the USA.
What about that strange wall in California?

 

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this came from the Lincoln,Nebraska papers of June 7, 1889. Someone help me out with this: 113 years before 1889 was 1776 and the paper says Tartarrax reign has been for 113 years? I read in some old papers that he had a painting done of him that hung in some long gone store.

Insane. Is this thing for real?

 

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Insane. Is this thing for real?

on a site called newspaperarchives.com you can do an advance search and find some weird historical evidence about what we are not taught in schools. Here's the one about his painting that from what I can find, disappeared.

 

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Well, if this is a real thing, though it sounds like a joke from some Arabian Nights mixed with computer games, we have:

• Lincoln, Nebraska - ancient capitol
• Ben Abel Gazan - the scribe
• Ali Hassen - Grand Vizier

Do you have a link to the newspaper?

I think we are playing with a recreation of sorts here: LINK.

Chances are, this could have been a mockery of the old conquered and annihilated regime. I would still love to see the painting though

 

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Well, if this is a real thing, though it sounds like a joke from some Arabian Nights mixed with computer games, we have:

• Lincoln, Nebraska - ancient capitol
• Ben Abel Gazan - the scribe
• Ali Hassen - Grand Vizier

Do you have a link to the newspaper?

I think we are playing with a recreation of sorts here: LINK.

View attachment 33889

Chances are, this could have been a mockery of the old conquered and annihilated regime. I would still love to see the painting though

Lincoln Evening News Newspaper Archives, Jun 7, 1889, p. 4 the weird thing is, if it was just a myth or local play, looks like google and other search engines would have some kind of mentioning in it within modern Nebraska threads like the ape man in Georgia. (mentioned in old newspapers and still mentioned in sites and youtube)

 

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Interesting part of this all is that we have so many differently named peoples who vanished in history with no trace. For all we know, we might be using different names for the same peoples.

Hi there. I don't know where exactly to get started with this topic, because this is so huge to me. It could and even should go right in the Tahuglauk and Mozleemlek thread. But I'll start with this line right here. You are spot on correct.

Each different tribe, band, federation, etc. had different names for themselves and then for the different peoples to whom they were neighbors, traded with, intermarried with, warred with, etc. I have no doubt that the vast majority of these names are absolutely lost to history.

One of the most well-known examples is of the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota peoples, who are referred to on an official, United States federal level as "Sioux." Formally, to refer to themselves as a unified people, the term is Očhéthi Šakówiŋ (Council of Seven Fires) Oyáte (People), the seven fires being the seven unified tribes in their federation, prior to colonization. Within the nation, you have names like Sičháŋǧu Oyáte and Iháŋktȟuŋwaŋna and Wičhíyena - the latter term an umbrella endonym encompassing Iháŋktȟuŋwaŋna, from an outsider's P.O.V. who is still within the larger Council. Without intimate familiarity and study of the culture and customs of naming and self-describing their own people, an outsider has no chance of getting these correct. Even what I have written here is a drastically simplified version for illustration purposes.

And the reason we know these things is because the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota culture is a living one. Their ancestors were a large and powerful nation, skilled in warfare, able to hold off the U.S. Army for a great amount of time - and their language is still a living one today, taught by many and still spoken in households. Contrast that to the many peoples who were completely wiped out or absorbed into other nations, and whose histories we can only guess at, based on the available scraps of evidence.

To the best of current understanding, the reason Lakota/Nakota/Dakota are referred to as Sioux is because the Anishinaabe (another umbrella term for many related peoples, and whom the Lakota warred with) called them "little snakes," nadowessi in Chippewa/Ojibwe. -Oux was tacked on by the French writing this down. Thus Sioux is short for a word that doesn't even exist and had no meaning to either the Anishinaabe or the French.

Is it any wonder, then, that these terms referred to actual peoples, but with whom we are otherwise unfamiliar?

 

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this came from the Lincoln, Nebraska papers of June 7, 1889. Someone help me out with this: 113 years before 1889 was 1776 and the paper says Tartarrax reign has been for 113 years? I read in some old papers that he had a painting done of him that hung in some long gone store.

I've recently come across the X-185 theory, which is an endorsed extension of Fomenkos research that states the 16th century is actually off by 185 years.

If you subtract 185 from 1776 you get the year 1591, close to the year in question by the passages originally quoted.

Andreu Marfull-Pujadas articles

Second link is a large pdf going into great detail to prove this!

 

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Well, if this is a real thing, though it sounds like a joke from some Arabian Nights mixed with computer games, we have:

• Lincoln, Nebraska - ancient capitol
• Ben Abel Gazan - the scribe
• Ali Hassen - Grand Vizier

Do you have a link to the newspaper?

I think we are playing with a recreation of sorts here: LINK.

View attachment 33889

Chances are, this could have been a mockery of the old conquered and annihilated regime. I would still love to see the painting though

It seems to be a recreation like you suggest. Not to say it's not hiding a real event or anything.

Omaha daily bee. 1889


Omaha daily bee. 1889


Here's more info: source



source

 

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Came up on some fun info pertaining to the North American continent, and its possible relation to Tartary. Here is what we have. Francisco Vázquez de Coronado was a Spanish conquistador and explorer who led a large expedition from Mexico to present-day Kansas through parts of the southwestern United States between 1540 and 1542. In the 16th century, the Spaniards in New Spain (now Mexico) began to hear rumors of "Seven Cities of Gold" called "Cíbola" located across the desert, hundreds of miles to the north.

Below you can see the official route of the Coronado's expedition. I think this route makes very little sense, keep on tracking, and I will explain why.

View attachment 4192

This expedition is very well documented, and the internet is full of various types of information pertaining to their travels. But I think not everything is as clear as it seems.

Francisco Vázquez de Coronado
View attachment 4193
1510-1554

As the story goes, Coronado was not your regular explorer. He was a conquistador, and was looking for gold. Actually he was looking for the Seven Cities of Gold which were also known as the Seven Cities of Cibola. The cities were Hawikuh, Halona, Matsaki, Quivira, Kiakima, Cibola, and Kwakina.

We have at least two sources mentioning these seven cities. There could be more, but

• Pedro de Castaneda, the historian of the expedition: “In the year 1530 Nuno de Guzman, who was president of New Spain, had in his possession an Indian, one of the natives of the Valley of Otixipar, who was called Tejo by the Spaniards. This Indian said he was the son of a trader who was dead, but that when he was a little boy his father had gone into the backcountry with fine feathers to trade for ornaments, and that when he came back he brought a large amount of gold and silver, of which there is a good deal in that country. He went with him once or twice and saw some very large villages, which he compared to Mexico and its environs. He had seen seven very large towns which had their streets of silver workers.”
• Reports given by the four shipwrecked survivors of the failed Narváez expedition, which included Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca and a black moorish slave named Esteban Dorantes, or Estevanico. Eventually returning to New Spain, the adventurers said they had heard stories from natives about cities with great and limitless riches.

However, when Coronado finally arrived at Cíbola in 1540, he discovered that the stories were unfounded and that there were, in fact, no treasures as the friar had described - only adobe towns.

While among the towns, Coronado heard an additional rumor from a native he called "the Turk" that there was a city with plenty of gold called Quivira located on the other side of the great plains. However, when at last he reached this place (variously conjectured to be in modern Kansas, Nebraska or Missouri), he found little more than straw-thatched villages.

Official dogmatic version: The location of Quivira is believed by most authorities to be in central Kansas near present-day Lyons extending northeastern to Salina. The Quivirans were the forebears of the modern day Wichita Indians and Caddoan tribes, such as the Pawnee or Arikara.

* * * * *

Here is where I decided to look at some older maps, as well as do some googling of my own. As you noticed, the official scientists place this Quivira somewhere in central Kansas.

View attachment 4194

So I pulled out my collection of the 16th, 17th century maps, and fairly easily was able to find this Quivira. There was one problem though. Those "uneducated" cartographers of the past placed Quivira approximately 2,000 miles north-west from Kansas. The North American continent has changed since then, but the location of Quivira was in a totally different place. There is a whole bunch of those maps out there. Below are maps dated (in order) 1570, 1598, 1607, and 1630 + 1595 and 1608.

View attachment 4195View attachment 4200View attachment 4196View attachment 4197
View attachment 4202View attachment 4203

What I also found of great significance, one the maps stated "QUIVIRA REGNUM". As we all should know by now, Regnum from Latin is Kingdom. So essentially we end up with the Kingdom of Quivira. And there can be no Kingdom with no King. Additionally, the 1630 maps contained the following statement. I got no clue what it says, but one word definitely sticks out right?

Tartarians in North America in the 16th century?

View attachment 4198


* * * * *

ATTENTION: What I found in my continued research could be interesting for a few forum members, I assume. This Quivira Kingdom was ruled by a King whose name was Tartarrax. Now, I do not think it was his real name. My personal opinion, that the king was referred to as Tartar Rex. "Rex" means King in Latin. From this perspective, we have no idea what the King's name was.

There they had news of Axa and Quivira: where, it was said, “was a king, whose name was Tartarrax, with a long beard, hoary-headed, and rich; which was girded with a Bracamart; which prayed upon a pair of beads; which worshipped a cross of gold and image of a woman the queen of heaven.

Of course, considering that Coronado went to Kansas instead, they found jack nothing, instead of the Kingdom of Quivira and the Tartarian King. Please read the cut out below.

View attachment 4199

Source: 1856 Reports of explorations and surveys. Volume III.

Whoever feels like it, can investigate the Anian Regnum (just above Quivira Regnum) as it relates to Marco Polo. By the way, the official science hates on Anian Regnum, and places it "somewhere" in China. So this Anian Regnum kingdom is also a mystery.

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KD Summary: We had a Tartarian Kingdom in North America ruled by a Tartarian King. Too bad the Continent has changed: Bizarre transformation of the North American Continent: 16th through 19th centuries, and nothing will ever be found.

And I do not know what to think about this "Coronado expedition". It sounds legit, but Kansas? Something is weird there.

What does that OTHER map say about Greenland and laboratory's?...
I had a feeling Drake's real destination was California, not Peru.

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this came from the Lincoln, Nebraska papers of June 7, 1889. Someone help me out with this: 113 years before 1889 was 1776 and the paper says Tartarrax reign has been for 113 years? I read in some old papers that he had a painting done of him that hung in some long gone store.

Check out the other names at the bottom. Scrivener and grand vizier...

 

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this came from the Lincoln, Nebraska papers of June 7, 1889. Someone help me out with this: 113 years before 1889 was 1776 and the paper says Tartarrax reign has been for 113 years? I read in some old papers that he had a painting done of him that hung in some long gone store.

Stunning ! Of prime importance !

Stunning ! Of prime importance !

Note the title "Commander of the Faithful", which today is a title reserved for the King of Morocco! Tartarrax is still called "Governor of the Seven Cities of Cibola", which indicates that he may have had a suzerain.

It is striking that another ancient text describes him in poor attire (in stark contrast to this text), strangely specifying that he worshipped a cross and the Queen of Heaven. Now, note the title "Commander of the Faithful", which today is a title reserved for the King of Morocco! Tartarrax is still called "Governor of the Seven Cities of Cibola", which indicates that he may have had a suzerain. The Commander of the Faithful had a scribe and a vizier. This deserves a re-reading of Ivan Van Sertima's fascinating The Golden Age Of The Moors! Note also that the day on which this independence was celebrated turned out to be 4 July, as in the USA today... What was happening in America on 4 July 1776?

Came up on some fun info pertaining to the North American continent, and its possible relation to Tartary. Here is what we have. Francisco Vázquez de Coronado was a Spanish conquistador and explorer who led a large expedition from Mexico to present-day Kansas through parts of the southwestern United States between 1540 and 1542. In the 16th century, the Spaniards in New Spain (now Mexico) began to hear rumors of "Seven Cities of Gold" called "Cíbola" located across the desert, hundreds of miles to the north.

Below you can see the official route of the Coronado's expedition. I think this route makes very little sense, keep on tracking, and I will explain why.

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This expedition is very well documented, and the internet is full of various types of information pertaining to their travels. But I think not everything is as clear as it seems.

Francisco Vázquez de Coronado
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1510-1554

As the story goes, Coronado was not your regular explorer. He was a conquistador, and was looking for gold. Actually he was looking for the Seven Cities of Gold which were also known as the Seven Cities of Cibola. The cities were Hawikuh, Halona, Matsaki, Quivira, Kiakima, Cibola, and Kwakina.

We have at least two sources mentioning these seven cities. There could be more, but

• Pedro de Castaneda, the historian of the expedition: “In the year 1530 Nuno de Guzman, who was president of New Spain, had in his possession an Indian, one of the natives of the Valley of Otixipar, who was called Tejo by the Spaniards. This Indian said he was the son of a trader who was dead, but that when he was a little boy his father had gone into the backcountry with fine feathers to trade for ornaments, and that when he came back he brought a large amount of gold and silver, of which there is a good deal in that country. He went with him once or twice and saw some very large villages, which he compared to Mexico and its environs. He had seen seven very large towns which had their streets of silver workers.”
• Reports given by the four shipwrecked survivors of the failed Narváez expedition, which included Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca and a black moorish slave named Esteban Dorantes, or Estevanico. Eventually returning to New Spain, the adventurers said they had heard stories from natives about cities with great and limitless riches.

However, when Coronado finally arrived at Cíbola in 1540, he discovered that the stories were unfounded and that there were, in fact, no treasures as the friar had described - only adobe towns.

While among the towns, Coronado heard an additional rumor from a native he called "the Turk" that there was a city with plenty of gold called Quivira located on the other side of the great plains. However, when at last he reached this place (variously conjectured to be in modern Kansas, Nebraska or Missouri), he found little more than straw-thatched villages.

Official dogmatic version: The location of Quivira is believed by most authorities to be in central Kansas near present-day Lyons extending northeastern to Salina. The Quivirans were the forebears of the modern day Wichita Indians and Caddoan tribes, such as the Pawnee or Arikara.

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Here is where I decided to look at some older maps, as well as do some googling of my own. As you noticed, the official scientists place this Quivira somewhere in central Kansas.

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So I pulled out my collection of the 16th, 17th century maps, and fairly easily was able to find this Quivira. There was one problem though. Those "uneducated" cartographers of the past placed Quivira approximately 2,000 miles north-west from Kansas. The North American continent has changed since then, but the location of Quivira was in a totally different place. There is a whole bunch of those maps out there. Below are maps dated (in order) 1570, 1598, 1607, and 1630 + 1595 and 1608.

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What I also found of great significance, one the maps stated "QUIVIRA REGNUM". As we all should know by now, Regnum from Latin is Kingdom. So essentially we end up with the Kingdom of Quivira. And there can be no Kingdom with no King. Additionally, the 1630 maps contained the following statement. I got no clue what it says, but one word definitely sticks out right?

Tartarians in North America in the 16th century?

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ATTENTION: What I found in my continued research could be interesting for a few forum members, I assume. This Quivira Kingdom was ruled by a King whose name was Tartarrax. Now, I do not think it was his real name. My personal opinion, that the king was referred to as Tartar Rex. "Rex" means King in Latin. From this perspective, we have no idea what the King's name was.

There they had news of Axa and Quivira: where, it was said, “was a king, whose name was Tartarrax, with a long beard, hoary-headed, and rich; which was girded with a Bracamart; which prayed upon a pair of beads; which worshipped a cross of gold and image of a woman the queen of heaven.

Of course, considering that Coronado went to Kansas instead, they found jack nothing, instead of the Kingdom of Quivira and the Tartarian King. Please read the cut out below.

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Source: 1856 Reports of explorations and surveys. Volume III.

Whoever feels like it, can investigate the Anian Regnum (just above Quivira Regnum) as it relates to Marco Polo. By the way, the official science hates on Anian Regnum, and places it "somewhere" in China. So this Anian Regnum kingdom is also a mystery.

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KD Summary: We had a Tartarian Kingdom in North America ruled by a Tartarian King. Too bad the Continent has changed: Bizarre transformation of the North American Continent: 16th through 19th centuries, and nothing will ever be found.

And I do not know what to think about this "Coronado expedition". It sounds legit, but Kansas? Something is weird there.

What does that OTHER map say about Greenland and laboratory's?...
I had a feeling Drake's real destination was California, not Peru.

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this came from the Lincoln, Nebraska papers of June 7, 1889. Someone help me out with this: 113 years before 1889 was 1776 and the paper says Tartarrax reign has been for 113 years? I read in some old papers that he had a painting done of him that hung in some long gone store.

Check out the other names at the bottom. Scrivener and grand vizier...

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