SH Archive 19th Century Noah's Arks: Whaleback Steamer Ships

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Username: Banta
Date: 2019-07-24 15:35:21
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This made me think of those early "carriage" cars being pulled by horseback. Just adding on the "technology" of the day to the huge, complicated thing you just found.

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Back to the future, indeed. Those movies have an odd way of relating to several occulted topics.

Also, reminds me that it's been asserted here and by others that nuclear power is essentially just steam on steroids...

Nuclear Weapons: do they exist or not?
 
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Username: hillcountry
Date: 2019-07-24 15:42:25
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Halfway through the Lengieza Masters Thesis (thanks for that) and I got side-tracked by looking at Google Images of the transportation of 3 different Cleopatra's Needle obelisks. There's so many odd pictures and obvious discrepancies that just leave me shaking my head to make sense of it all. That McDougall built the first 101 barge/whaleback on his own dime strains credulity as well. Were these ships spoils of war, managed by elite families after the smoke cleared, towing them around with wooden sailing ships at first? So many questions, so little time.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-25 04:59:41
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Found these images on eBay. Kind of still hard to accept that this is the 19th century.

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Username: space966
Date: 2019-07-26 02:41:38
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I think, I saw 1 picture of these earlier, thought, some experimental submarine model.
For me it's masonic illuminati numero uno hint, that there exist some hidden, unknown lands, continents.
And this interior reminds me of something. In 1970ies there were several movies with this kinda ships. It's never mentioned, where they travel, they travel "somewhere", have good time, drink champagne, talk with nice women, and then "something" happens, some reef, ominous enemy ship, giant octopus, some paranormal event. Mostly ends in catastrophe. If they survive, place looks like in alternate dimension.
 
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Username: pushamaku
Date: 2019-07-26 03:00:16
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Except that these lands were not as barren as mainstream historians would like you to believe.

 
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Username: OskarSnaefel
Date: 2019-07-26 13:39:14
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Perhaps, but I meant the people were barren. Easy to rob when no one's there.
 
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Username: WarningGuy
Date: 2019-07-26 14:24:19
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I think our theory about whaleboats just went down the toilet. You can zoom right in on these photos and i can see at least 5 whaleboats being built in this photo. More photos of half built whaleboats in the link. What do you guys think ? Tell me im wrong because i was loving this thread.

Whaleback vessels under construction, West Superior, Wisconsin

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Username: space966
Date: 2019-07-26 15:13:25
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It is illogic to build such ships only for Great Lakes or Mississippi river. You can go to port, and will see, that small cutters can drag quite big barges. These ships definitely were build to travel across Arctic.
As for Hyperborea, I would stop it investigate, because it's out of limits for humans. At some time point, government or some secret society build there base, and for others it's forbidden to go there.
Instead, we should try to find something in Greenland. Atleast it's open for travel, only some military bases or research facilities are closed.
Also, I would put strong emphasis on how invisible protective, occult walls work. World is divided by invisible walls, sometimes referred as ley lines. But this subject is more complicated.
 
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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-07-26 15:23:12
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I can see retro fitting, not necessarily construction?
 
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Username: Banta
Date: 2019-07-26 16:10:48
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Exactly. Putting the cruise ship passenger tops on and patching holes:

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Must have been nice too when someone decided to invent work clothes. Or is it because the camera was invented, no one wanted to get caught looking scummy?

I'm not sure what's going on in the right hand side of this picture... maybe they are building the sub hulls, here:

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It seems to me if you found a piece of higher technology that you might be interested in trying to replicate it. In fact, there are myths about this.

UFO Phenomenon: Reverse-Engineering Roswell UFO Technology Part 1
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-07-26 16:50:12
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No. It seems some were dumb barges.
Went looking for the UK built Sagamore and confusingly a dumb barge was also named Sagamore (see the list published above.) but these links turned up.
Sagamore the ship was built in Sunderland some say under licence some say not.
The Sunderland Site Page 052
Whatever she looks very different to the others superstructure wise.

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Much more info/images on the ships and barges here The Sunderland Site Page 181

Their design and build seems to be to be very similar to the Corbier and Belier ships of the French navy. Can't remember but likely they are contemporary as well.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-26 16:50:28
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It's very hard to make sense out of what we see. The below image could definitely be a construction photograph, if it was not for those small details we can observe. No lifting equipment can be visible. As a matter of fact no equipment is visible.

Are they really building 7 or 8 of those at the same time, or this is like a bone yard from before, from where they will launch only the most completed ones, and scrap the remainder?


I think this wooden board work is more or less representative of what they were doing there. May be getting manageable boats to get launched?

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And in general, stuff looks visually old.

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Interesting, how we can clearly see a frame of one of these "under construction" whalebacks with some cheaply made wooden scaffolding around it.

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Are we supposed to consider that this is how they built them and turned into this? The hull metalwork appears to be perfect. Do we even know how they connected the hull metal sheets? Were these ones glued together as well?

 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-07-26 17:19:28
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Below the waterline they were conventional as this one run aground reveals.

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This one had a conventional bow fitted. McDougall's last whaleback, the Alexander McDougall, was built in 1898. This steamer was a transitional type with a conventional bow mounted on a whaleback hull.

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A dumb barge and a powered ship alongside each other.

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Seems the powered ship towed a dumb barge, according to the author of this page Thomas Wilson Shipwreck - Whaleback Freighters

A blog all about the whalebacks and their builders McDougall's Whaleback

The site containing the construction photo has quite a few available.

These are good and to my eye all show construction not retrofitting or refurbishing.

Rivets galore.
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Lots of small parts rivetted together. I've been up on scaffolding not that far removed from the one pictured surrounding a nuclear submarine under construction!

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Pulley blocks were the tech of the day and still very useful today. Interesting how they 'tied' the frames of the ship together with wooden beams to make them safe to hang the pulley blocks off of.

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There is an explanation of how the seemingly rivetless plates were fitted to the frames of the Corbier and Belier ships thread and my guess would be the same technique was employed here.
 
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Username: Japod
Date: 2019-07-26 20:15:11
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Looks like they found some submarines and retrofitted them as best as they knew how hence the 3 month turnaround on the docks.
Those are completed hulls getting retrofitted
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-26 20:56:12
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The contrast between the visual perception of the hulls and the superstructures is quite striking.

Virtually impossible to figure out construction vs. tear down photos. Interesting stuff it is.
 
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Username: space966
Date: 2019-07-27 01:33:08
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@Korbin definitely these ships came from some type of Hyperborea. They have aura not of this world, they were made not in this world.
Besides, from 1860 to 1960 there was several timeline malfunctions or changes. Now there's impossible to find truth, only in astral levitation.
 
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Username: Beanieboo111
Date: 2019-07-31 22:11:14
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There was a slew of ships that the Confederate states were alleged to produce after being completely strangulated by the north and not having at their disposal necessary knowledge, resources or infrastructure to produce these futuristic ships. Allegedly they were able to produce some ridiculous number of these ships. Over a hundred at least. How were the plates on one of them joined. There was no welding at that time. These ships seem to have come where Titanic, Great Eastern and Olympic came from.

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