SH Archive 19th century: Radium Heating Systems?

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2019-11-23 00:21:51
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I can't follow this one. Some thoughts, in no particular order.

A couple of odd balls in the pics ( Including links) but mostly looks like solid fuel burning stoves and boilers. A couple have weird heat exchangers in the links. I'm not sure about the ones that appear to have 2 levels of screened doors.

Flues run into walls in some cases and in some cases are removed when it becomes decorative only.

The one link did not sufficiently explain to me how an andiron functions as a capacitor, and I don't have much faith the author's interpretation of the fireplace images either.

I heard from an old mason, now passed, that there used to be a smoke shelf/firebox design technique that allowed one flue to flow up and down at the same time, greatly improving efficiency. At the time, I found a few old references to it online, as I knew the name it was called by. I have forgotten the name, and can't find any information about it, but I remember that it required the fireplace to be larger than would be otherwise warranted.

One thought was that some of the odd ball pics may be gassifiers. That is a kind of forgotten tech itself. I think Univ of Ohio iirc had a program to find save and teach info on it.

Radium is still in many peoples drinking water and Radon gas is found in mang peoples homes.

 

[AthroposRex]

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Username: AnthroposRex
Date: 2019-11-23 01:23:23
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Damn. That irradiated whisky. "every bottle tested with a Geiger counter".

Makes me think of that YouTube video with the Russian guy driving through chernobyl with a Geiger counter freaking out and tons of plant and animal life everywhere.

I think the ptb missed a chance to blame cancer on misguided radium ingestion and the resulting "environmental fallout"

 

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Username: Sawdy
Date: 2019-11-23 06:40:28
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My favorite radium hearing system is Radium Hot Springs in British Columbia.
Apparently got its name from Radon being present in the water.

This is a great thread and although I have nothing to contribute, I want those who do to know they are doing a great job.

 

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2019-11-23 13:06:21
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Having had some training in radon detection and mitigation, and then having watched everything I could find on the uranium eating guy, I am more confused than ever on radon.

I would really like to find out where that guys house in WA is exactly and what has become of it. (He dumped a U solution into the cracks of his basement floor, to create high radon levels)

 

[Grumpy Owl]

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Username: Grumpy Owl
Date: 2019-11-23 14:00:46
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Fascinating stuff indeed!

With the supposed health benefits of radium, as well as it being an almost infinite source of light and heat, no wonder TPTB were very keen to 'demonise' it. Sounds like there would have been no need for Big Pharma or Big Oil.

Sort of reminds me of what I read about the 'demonisation' of hemp, which is a very versatile plant used for making paper, clothing as well as having some health benefits. Its demise let to the creation of plastic by the big oil companies.

 

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Username: RedFox
Date: 2019-11-23 18:36:52
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Too bad we can't just get some radium and experiment with it to find out what it was all about... I assume you can't just find radium water on the internet, at least. The sudden halt on the massive surge of radium products does seem suspicious, and perhaps it goes back further than the 20th century under a different name.

 

[dreamtime]

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Username: dreamtime
Date: 2019-11-23 19:06:08
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Too bad we can't just get some radium and experiment with it to find out what it was all about... I assume you can't just find radium water on the internet, at least. The sudden halt on the massive surge of radium products does seem suspicious, and perhaps it goes back further than the 20th century under a different name.

Everything changed between 1914 and 1945.

Almost all “miracle” health inventions have disappeared since. The early 20th century saw a renaissance of scientific thought not seen before in the common people, young school children were discussing the latest advancements in biochemistry on an intellectual level of a contemporary university student.

Lugol’s Iodine, Colloidal Silver, Lithia water, carbonated springs, Cannabis, Radium, Electrotherapy, light therapy, all of these things were well known during that time, and the interest in understanding the relationship between disease and the environment was wide-spread.

The PTB suppressed everything and gave us modern medicine instead.

I doubt people just magically started to invent all kinds of interesting therapies 100 years ago, so I too suspect we are looking at a longer history, although i wouldn’t eliminate the possibility of some kind of knowledge renaissance after industrialization had made life more primitive.

The last true scientists all still had a connection to the antebellum times, as science died after the 1950s.

Hans Selye, Albert Szent-Györgyi, Linus Pauling and Otto Warburg come to mind, and Hans Selye describes the post-war downfall of academia in his books in a pretty explicit way.

Interesting: 1,400-Year-Old Anglo-Saxon Burial Unearthed in Canterbury | ARCHAEOLOGY WORLD

 

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Username: RedFox
Date: 2019-11-24 23:57:49
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Everything changed between 1914 and 1945.

Almost all “miracle” health inventions have disappeared since. The early 20th century saw a renaissance of scientific thought not seen before in the common people, young school children were discussing the latest advancements in biochemistry on an intellectual level of a contemporary university student.

Lugol’s Iodine, Colloidal Silver, Lithia water, carbonated springs, Cannabis, Radium, Electrotherapy, light therapy, all of these things were well known during that time, and the interest in understanding the relationship between disease and the environment was wide-spread.

The PTB suppressed everything and gave us modern medicine instead.

I doubt people just magically started to invent all kinds of interesting therapies 100 years ago, so I too suspect we are looking at a longer history, although i wouldn’t eliminate the possibility of some kind of knowledge renaissance after industrialization had made life more primitive.

The last true scientists all still had a connection to the antebellum times, as science died after the 1950s.

Hans Selye, Albert Szent-Györgyi, Linus Pauling and Otto Warburg come to mind, and Hans Selye describes the post-war downfall of academia in his books in a pretty explicit way.

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Interesting: 1,400-Year-Old Anglo-Saxon Burial Unearthed in Canterbury | ARCHAEOLOGY WORLD

I have become very interested in red light therapy and colloidal silver but am having a hard time finding any good information on either, except for some studies showing red light therapy is good for wrinkle treatment..
I've been wondering since I stumbled upon colloidal silver, what's the truth behind that blue skin condition that is alleged to happen if you consume too much of it? There's a matching condition for gold, too. Is it just another fabrication to sway people away from something we're supposed to think is too healthy for us to be real?

 

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Username: notsogreat
Date: 2019-11-25 16:55:57
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I have become very interested in red light therapy and colloidal silver but am having a hard time finding any good information on either, except for some studies showing red light therapy is good for wrinkle treatment..
I've been wondering since I stumbled upon colloidal silver, what's the truth behind that blue skin condition that is alleged to happen if you consume too much of it? There's a matching condition for gold, too. Is it just another fabrication to sway people away from something we're supposed to think is too healthy for us to be real?

I think you've got to bear in mind the infamous blue skin man drank something like 2 litres of colloidal silver per day for years to get his condition. Most people who agree this is a ludicrous amount of anything to consume perhaps except water. I remember reading on a pro-colloidal silva forum that the silva he consumed was not the normally sold medicinal colloidal silver either but I've lost the link. Probably pretty easy to find though.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-11-25 18:04:25
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I think you've got to bear in mind the infamous blue skin man drank something like 2 litres of colloidal silver per day for years to get his condition. Most people who agree this is a ludicrous amount of anything to consume perhaps except water. I remember reading on a pro-colloidal silva forum that the silva he consumed was not the normally sold medicinal colloidal silver either but I've lost the link. Probably pretty easy to find though.

Unless your Tuareg or Berber. Or from the wilds of Kentucky or Tennessee.
Seriously. Used to be some blue skinned folks there. Back when...

 

[wizz33]

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Username: wizz33
Date: 2019-11-27 18:21:24
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I have become very interested in red light therapy and colloidal silver but am having a hard time finding any good information on either, except for some studies showing red light therapy is good for wrinkle treatment..
I've been wondering since I stumbled upon colloidal silver, what's the truth behind that blue skin condition that is alleged to happen if you consume too much of it? There's a matching condition for gold, too. Is it just another fabrication to sway people away from something we're supposed to think is too healthy for us to be real?

EndAllDisease - Nutrition, Cancer, Red Light Therapy and Health Research
and the youtube channel with the same name

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-28 19:51:08
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A nice looking thing.

 

[EUAFU]

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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2019-11-30 17:11:39
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What strikes me is that radium girls seem to have lived longer than the average population. And of course, when "they" realized the beneficial effects of this substance they decided to panic and suppress the truth. Of the others "affected" by radium-mania they were probably eliminated in World War II or by other means, such as the use of lead, fluoride, ...

Perhaps the real danger of ionizing radiation is to make a person healthier, less likely to be affected by viruses and bacteria. When I was a kid on a school trip, we went to a "scientific" center, and showed us radiation-treated rice that was intact after several years in an open pot.

All of this is very Wonderful.

 

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Username: Valusha Buck
Date: 2020-01-11 23:08:47
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Thank you for one more very sharp subject for discussion - Radium, radiation and Heating Systems. Long time I culdn't even speak about radiation with anybody, because very strong official scientific positions are spreading around. Your approach allows me to tell about my own life experience with radiation, but first of all about translation " the Portable furnace "Meteor".
Left part of the text is written for the exposition in Menshikov Palace at present time. You know that Museums don't give to us too much information, never the less they said that it's a beautiful but not just decorative furnace: "The small size of the stoves made it possible to use them for economical heating of rooms, located next to a fireplace or a stationary stove, in any place where there was a chimney.". On second page there is an original text from Joint-stock company Maltsov factories, founded in 1894. "Portable furnace "meteor" continuous burning of fuel for all: elegant, economical". Also manufactory underlined that used for furnace "improved Irish system". At the top of the second page: " Patent Meteor 1481-1489". What does mean that furnace can use different kind of fuel"? What fuel was in use at that time? I tried making my own research, but I didn't got any information about patents 1481-1489. I think this information is hidden like many another information regarding energy. The conclusion: there is no any words about Radium Heating System. But also we can't close that possibility.

Single incidents like the destruction of the Hindenburg Zeppelin, the Chernobyl event or Fukushima are consciously fabricated and then blown up via the media to influence the collective psyche.

My proof for this position from my own experience is: 1) My father worked in the hospital where had been used radon bath to treat patients. Once a bottle with Radon was exploded in the hands of my father. Doctors predicted, that he will die in a few months, but he lived after that more then 40 years and died at age 86. 2) During Chernobyl catastrophe my cousin lived in Kiev, it's about 70 ml from nuclear station - nothing was happened with her and family. 3) After Chernobyl catastrophe many of my colleagues ( Russian Academy) had a few expedition in radioactive zone. Nobody was sick at that time or now. 4) The hurtful threshold of radiation really is very different for different people: f.e. Some people are making trips to Chernobyl "to recharge body batteries". They get energy over there.

And one more thing..... My research and experience show that Ionizing Radiation is not so innocent. Look at the radar maps of US - PTB use Ionization for the weather control constantly . Sometime more than a half country is in radiation zone. Ionization zone is harmful for many sensitive people - numerous my friends say about different kind of pain. And it is not surprising, because well known pathogenic zones on our planet also contains many ions mowing up or down. In pathogenic zones and in the area with radar ionization there is the same mechanism of influence.

 

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Username: Ravinoff
Date: 2020-01-22 23:40:18
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What surplus of Radium did they have back then? 20,000 tubes?

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Ah, okay, the company selling these gives a bit of insight on the amounts being surplused. "Tubes" in this case isn't talking about lab vials or anything of that size, they're referring to tiny radium luminous inserts for rifle and/or handgun sights. Today's shooters will be familiar with the direct replacement for radium, night sights illuminated with tritium (hydrogen-3) found on many handguns now. They're tiny vials of radium/tritium with a radio-luminescent phosphor that fit holes drilled into the sight posts.

This is a modern set of Trijicon tritium sights for a handgun:

And this is likely what that surplus ad is selling, the tube insert for a No. 1 Mk III* Lee-Enfield rifle as used in WWI.

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2020-01-23 04:16:54
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I wonder what's the connection between Radium and radio? If radiators are connected to Radium, so is radio. And then this masterpiece...

You had your time, you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Radio, radio

The rest of the lyrics are also quite interesting when you consider there is likely a hidden message here.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-23 05:19:33
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I wonder what's the connection between Radium and radio? If radiators are connected to Radium, so is radio. And then this masterpiece...

You had your time, you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Radio, radio

The rest of the lyrics are also quite interesting when you consider there is likely a hidden message here.

Radiating? To radiate?
Sitting around something like a heat source or radio while you could do other things as well. Didn't take more of your attention like tv.

 

[SuperTrouper]

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Date: 2020-01-23 23:25:44
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Radiating? To radiate?
Sitting around something like a heat source or radio while you could do other things as well. Didn't take more of your attention like tv.

Maybe Radium was distributed to households and radiators via the radio?

 

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Date: 2020-02-16 11:41:05
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Onsen springs have existed in Japan for hundreds of years. There are still a lot of radium hot springs (spas), or as the Japanese call it, onsen (温泉） in japan reputed to bring health benefits. Obviously experimental tests must have classified these springs to later have radium or radon. Four famous ones exist in Hokkaido, Akita, Yamanashi, and Tottori prefectures in Japan. In Japanese is it called radon (ラドン), sometimes also called radium (ラジウム). But yes, another website says that drinking the "radioactive water" will help improve blood sugar balance and is good for diabetes and chronic urinary tract disease. Helps with joint pain and arthritis.

The first website gives a whoppingly long list of illnesses it will help relieve.
Arthritis and Joint Pain
Gastrointestinal Disorders
Neurological Disorders such as Neuralgia, neuritis, Dysautonomia
Chronic Bronchitis
Skin diseases
Cancer
Infertility
Hemorrhoids
Bruises, sprains
Kidney, liver and heart disease
Arteriosclerosis
and Asthma


A famous onsen's website says that when you intake radium, it stimulates your blood and cells and promotes good metabolism. And by improving the circulation throughout the body, the waste products are flushed out.

Get this! it helps improve ovarian and testicular function. If these radioactive water springs were bad for your health, the Japanese would have stopped using the hot springs hundreds of years ago.

なるほど、ラジウム温泉にはこのような効能や効果があるのですね。:全国のラジウム温泉が探せる湯治サイトです。
泉質・効能 | 二股らぢうむ温泉｜水の素 株式会社
癌に効く温泉？　全国のラジウム温泉・放射能泉はココ！

If you want you can ever order water containing radon water from their linked rakuten page (japanese online shopping giant retailer)
One bottle (half a liter) for 180¥ or about $1.70.
猿投温泉 飲める温泉水 金泉の水
I am not promoting but just pulling up one of many examples of radium products you can still purchase.

But yes, this flies contrary in the face that "radiation" is dangerous and that we need "radon gas" detectors in our houses and such.
If you are ever in Japan, then I guess stop by a radium hot spring bathe and relax and drink radium water.

 

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Username: RedFox
Date: 2020-06-20 20:19:06
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Curious that like things like young blood transfusion, radium is EXTREMELY expensive. More than that, you have to be an approved buyer!
And it was espoused as having anti-aging benefits and the radium girls lived unusually long lives? Hmm..
Really makes you think.