SH Archive 2017 Urban fires in California. Could DEW weapons be the true cause?

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2018-10-24 21:11:49
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The Delorean time machine.

So fiction?

These are the parts of a magnetic induction device. Unless you have some other schematic I can reference, or some alternate theories on the nature of magnetism, magnetic induction having anything to do with these events seems physically impossible.

ETA. I missed the part where you said you had some further explanation. Look forward to looking at it, and your PM.

 

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2018-10-24 21:30:27
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I think we are operating within the limits of the contemporary known science. Same rationality would suggest that in the early 18th century a nuclear explosion would have been taken for anything but for what it actually was. Hence they would not believe into certain possibilities. They would not even consider those due to zero knowledge of their hypothetical existence.

I guess what I’m trying to say, these things could be anything outside of tge traditionally known science. There is a reason for classified defence type scientific information to exist.

 

[Magnetic]

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Date: 2018-10-24 23:51:11
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So fiction?

These are the parts of a magnetic induction device. Unless you have some other schematic I can reference, or some alternate theories on the nature of magnetism, magnetic induction having anything to do with these events seems physically impossible.

ETA. I missed the part where you said you had some further explanation. Look forward to looking at it, and your PM.

If you think that induction devices have not been improved since the early 1800's you are free to believe wikipedia's definitive physiks...I gave you a huge clue with the particle collider's that have grown dramatically in power and numbers over the years. They are huge electromagnets! Be blind if you must and trust wiki physics.

 

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Date: 2018-10-25 12:24:39
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If you think that induction devices have not been improved since the early 1800's you are free to believe wikipedia's definitive physiks...I gave you a huge clue with the particle collider's that have grown dramatically in power and numbers over the years. They are huge electromagnets! Be blind if you must and trust wiki physics.

I was really hoping for better than that. Yes, colliders are huge electromagnets. HUGE as in MILES big. And they consume an inordinate amount of power. And generate an incredible amounts of heat.

I'm not saying wiki has it all figured out, but the very nature of magnetism and electricity, in my experience, (I have worked, and done some experiments with such) does not allow what you are describing.

Sure MI has improved. But it, so far, hasn't completely upended what is understood about electricity and magnetism. No one has thrown out the inverse square law to my knowledge, which is one of your main hurdles.

No one has yet refuted amperes law either. Which says your gonna need tons of power to do anything remotely like what you describe. Even if the target is inside the coil (as is done industrially).

Fast switching of that kind of power will burn up the most robust of switches.

If we are just using magnetic induction as a place holder for some as yet undetermined woo effect, well that's fine, but unless these laws have been upended, it's a misnomer at the very best. I'm open to other understanding, (if I find time, id test it too, I have one other magnetic experiment in my list) All my electromagnets may just have been of the law abiding type.

These are not the only problems, but I'll not be suckered into relearning very complicated maths by bringing Maxwell's equations into it.

Happened to notice a very old electromagnet I made to test something or other. I don't remember what the hell i was testing. I remember I started with a magnetic door lock, but just ended up building this rig instead.

 

[Magnetic]

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Date: 2018-10-25 13:01:05
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I was really hoping for better than that. Yes, colliders are huge electromagnets. HUGE as in MILES big. And they consume an inordinate amount of power. And generate an incredible amounts of heat.

I'm not saying wiki has it all figured out, but the very nature of magnetism and electricity, in my experience, (I have worked, and done some experiments with such) does not allow what you are describing.

Sure MI has improved. But it, so far, hasn't completely upended what is understood about electricity and magnetism. No one has thrown out the inverse square law to my knowledge, which is one of your main hurdles.

No one has yet refuted amperes law either. Which says your gonna need tons of power to do anything remotely like what you describe. Even if the target is inside the coil (as is done industrially).

Fast switching of that kind of power will burn up the most robust of switches.

If we are just using magnetic induction as a place holder for some as yet undetermined woo effect, well that's fine, but unless these laws have been upended, it's a misnomer at the very best. I'm open to other understanding, (if I find time, id test it too, I have one other magnetic experiment in my list) All my electromagnets may just have been of the law abiding type.

These are not the only problems, but I'll not be suckered into relearning very complicated maths by bringing Maxwell's equations into it.
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Happened to notice a very old electromagnet I made to test something or other. I don't remember what the hell i was testing. I remember I started with a magnetic door lock, but just ended up building this rig instead.

 

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Username: ISeenItFirst
Date: 2018-10-26 13:10:25
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Magnetism is like so many things, technologically speaking, we discuss on this site. I find the mystery of it very compelling.

A few years ago they levitated a frog, using superconducting magnets. Seems like it should have been unthinkable long ago. Thing is, the formulas and concepts were already there, and understood. This frog didn't rewrite anything. We only just got the material science up to the point of being able to achieve what the formulas said was possible.

Like so many other areas, the concepts are there. Firearms are a good example, but it fits almost all areas. There isn't much difference between lathe turning wood vs stone or steel, but the materials required, and often the power required are the limiting factors.

As for DEW, these fires seem to be great, albeit circumstantial evidence for some type of directed energy. Without some other info, magnetism is near the bottom of the list for the energy transfer method.

 

[pushamaku]

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Date: 2018-10-26 13:43:35
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I think we are operating within the limits of the contemporary known science.

100% agreed. Nuclear is just another convenient catch-all meant to keep the populous us at bay. Nuke technology, as presented to us mostly via hollywood is a farce and I think more of it as a bogeyman scare tactic. The people/entities running the show have made sure that the real tech is disguised as various forms of contemporary known science as you say.

Honestly they have stooped pretty low to continue to deceive the majority so that they can live their their posh lives and/or feed of us... Truth will come out one of these days.. Just a matter of time.

 

[Magnetic]

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Date: 2018-10-26 14:45:58
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100% agreed. Nuclear is just another convenient catch-all meant to keep the populous us at bay. Nuke technology, as presented to us mostly via hollywood is a farce and I think more of it as a bogeyman scare tactic. The people/entities running the show have made sure that the real tech is disguised as various forms of contemporary known science as you say.

Honestly they have stooped pretty low to continue to deceive the majority so that they can live their their posh lives and/or feed of us... Truth will come out one of these days.. Just a matter of time.

Yes, there are no nukes as weapons and when you see the first two nuke weapons that attacked Japan are made differently and the first one using compression by explosion defies every physical law known to science. It's funny how the description nuclear power plants using heavy water to slow down neutrons so a couple are captured to fission yet in nuke bombs that's not a problem.

 

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Date: 2018-10-26 16:51:22
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Yes, there are no nukes as weapons and when you see the first two nuke weapons that attacked Japan are made differently and the first one using compression by explosion defies every physical law known to science. It's funny how the description nuclear power plants using heavy water to slow down neutrons so a couple are captured to fission yet in nuke bombs that's not a problem.

The case for no nukes is a fun one. I was on board for a while. The case against the Japan bombs is two fold. The much more publicized one has good technical details, meaning it could be made and work as described although with much difficulty. The other city got hit with another type, that really does not seem like it would have been technically feasible at the time. I often think that is why the one is so much more publicized. The story got away from them on #2.

I do not understand your issue with heavy water. It is in no way comparable to anything having to do with the weapons. In those types of reactors the fuel is not very enriched at all. No where remotely close to a critical mass. To get the reaction, they bombard the fuel with neutrons. The heavy water just makes it more efficient. In the weapons, there is a highly enriched near critical mass. Couple different ways they use to make it go critical, but it's totally apples and oranges to anything involving heavy water.

 

[Magnetic]

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Date: 2018-10-26 18:30:07
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I was really hoping for better than that. Yes, colliders are huge electromagnets. HUGE as in MILES big. And they consume an inordinate amount of power. And generate an incredible amounts of heat.

I'm not saying wiki has it all figured out, but the very nature of magnetism and electricity, in my experience, (I have worked, and done some experiments with such) does not allow what you are describing.

Sure MI has improved. But it, so far, hasn't completely upended what is understood about electricity and magnetism. No one has thrown out the inverse square law to my knowledge, which is one of your main hurdles.

No one has yet refuted amperes law either. Which says your gonna need tons of power to do anything remotely like what you describe. Even if the target is inside the coil (as is done industrially).

Fast switching of that kind of power will burn up the most robust of switches.

If we are just using magnetic induction as a place holder for some as yet undetermined woo effect, well that's fine, but unless these laws have been upended, it's a misnomer at the very best. I'm open to other understanding, (if I find time, id test it too, I have one other magnetic experiment in my list) All my electromagnets may just have been of the law abiding type.

These are not the only problems, but I'll not be suckered into relearning very complicated maths by bringing Maxwell's equations into it.
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Happened to notice a very old electromagnet I made to test something or other. I don't remember what the hell i was testing. I remember I started with a magnetic door lock, but just ended up building this rig instead.

Magnetism

The case for no nukes is a fun one. I was on board for a while. The case against the Japan bombs is two fold. The much more publicized one has good technical details, meaning it could be made and work as described although with much difficulty. The other city got hit with another type, that really does not seem like it would have been technically feasible at the time. I often think that is why the one is so much more publicized. The story got away from them on #2.

I do not understand your issue with heavy water. It is in no way comparable to anything having to do with the weapons. In those types of reactors the fuel is not very enriched at all. No where remotely close to a critical mass. To get the reaction, they bombard the fuel with neutrons. The heavy water just makes it more efficient. In the weapons, there is a highly enriched near critical mass. Couple different ways they use to make it go critical, but it's totally apples and oranges to anything involving heavy water.

The heavy water issue is this: The neutrons from fission are going so fast that they leave the Uranium without hitting any other of the atoms, so they use heavy water to slow down the neutrons so a couple of many, many, many neutrons that miss, hit the fissionable Uranium. In an atomic bomb they use a reflector that supposidly slows and redirects the the neutrons to the center of the fissionable material. Why don't they use this fast neutron reflector in Nuclear power plants and get rid of giant pools of heavy water? It's because the reflector is a fiction and no material can slow fast neutrons down so they would strike the fissionable material with an extremely small footprint. 99% of the fast neutrons leave the nuclear power plant without hitting anything, they are too fast to be captured even with giant pools of heavy water. The same would be true of a nuke bomb. All the neutrons would escape without hitting any fissionable material and there would be no "chain reaction" hence no bomb is possible the way it is described by government scientists.

 

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Date: 2018-10-26 18:54:37
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If what you say is true, there can be no such thing as a critical mass. I rather think you are mistaken, likely due to oversimplification of the process. There is a big difference between natural fuel, (heavy water plant), enriched fuel (modern plant), and highly enriched weapons grade material.

I've never dealt with the stuff directly. I have worked in facilities where daily personal docimeters were required and recorded, but I can't say much more about that.

What are the power plants then? What makes the electricity attributed to them? Something making all that steam.

 

[Magnetic]

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Date: 2018-10-27 00:17:43
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If what you say is true, there can be no such thing as a critical mass. I rather think you are mistaken, likely due to oversimplification of the process. There is a big difference between natural fuel, (heavy water plant), enriched fuel (modern plant), and highly enriched weapons grade material.

I've never dealt with the stuff directly. I have worked in facilities where daily personal docimeters were required and recorded, but I can't say much more about that.

What are the power plants then? What makes the electricity attributed to them? Something making all that steam.

I stand behind my assertions and you are free to believe yours. Cheers.

 

[Onthebit]

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[Magnetic]

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Date: 2018-10-27 17:38:49
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The only effect of Hutchinson is of a faker. He is a deceiver and put there to muddy the waters of true knowledge.

 

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The only effect of Hutchinson is of a faker. He is a deceiver and put there to muddy the waters of true knowledge.

So what's your stance on Plutonium? Theoretical? Totally fictional? If actual, from Where?

 

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Date: 2018-11-09 20:45:38
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Ripped straight from the headlines today - - a "firenado" captured in the Paradise, CA fires.

AP Reports that "The five victims were found in vehicles in the same area of the town, where residents described traffic jams and panic as they tried to escape flames on Thursday."

Granted, I've never been around a wildfire quite like this, but I would imagine that at a certain point one would abandon their vehicle and seek shelter before it burned you to death. Exactly how fast was this fire moving?

Call me crazy, but this does not look like a natural formation.

 

[Onijunbei]

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Date: 2018-11-09 22:25:11
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Star Wars space program anyone...
They have the technology and they love showing it in movies from RoboCop to Real Genius where Val Kilmer uses a lazer to heat up alot of popcorn in the antagonists house. I wouldn't be surprised if there's white papers out of the Rand corporation or Raytheon from the 70s describing direct energy weapons. The proof is in the pudding and there sure is a lot of pudding...

 

[trismegistus]

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Date: 2018-11-09 22:55:25
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Star Wars space program anyone...
They have the technology and they love showing it in movies from RoboCop to Real Genius where Val Kilmer uses a lazer to heat up alot of popcorn in the antagonists house. I wouldn't be surprised if there's white papers out of the Rand corporation or Raytheon from the 70s describing direct energy weapons. The proof is in the pudding and there sure is a lot of pudding...

Didn't take that long to find this...

Or this article straight from the horse's mouth.

Or this creepy article from Wired. They made a point to say that the tech is safe and dandy because the government told them that they're like, totally only using it for non-lethal applications.

 

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Date: 2018-11-10 05:42:33
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9 people killed in Northern California wildfire, 5 found in burnt cars

Sheriff's officials said earlier that five people were found dead in vehicles that were torched by flames in the same area in the town of Paradise.

A burned out car sits on the side of the road in Paradise, Ca 11. 09, 2018, (AP Photo/Gillian Flaccus)

 

[anotherlayer]

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Date: 2018-11-10 05:58:25
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Star Wars space program anyone...
They have the technology and they love showing it in movies from RoboCop to Real Genius where Val Kilmer uses a lazer to heat up alot of popcorn in the antagonists house. I wouldn't be surprised if there's white papers out of the Rand corporation or Raytheon from the 70s describing direct energy weapons. The proof is in the pudding and there sure is a lot of pudding...

lol, i thought about the same thing!