SH Archive 547 feet: 1871 Philadelphia City Hall

[wild heretic]

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Username: wild heretic
Date: 2019-10-12 00:08:43
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Thanks to @studytruth for sharing this image of the 1876 Centennial Exhibition of Philadelphia, I think I can safely call out the fraud of the story of City Hall and prove they've been lying and faking the "construction" photos. They never built City Hall nor the other "Revival" style buildings. All these stories of the old buildings (Tartarian, in my opinion) are false and have served to coverup the previous Tartarian Empire that built them all over the country.

Here is the New Public Building/City Hall next to the Masonic Temple in the top-right area of the 1876 panorama photo, 25 years before the alleged completion date of City Hall!
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The Stamp proving it's from 1876 (top-left)
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And as per their usual MO of erasing history, they wanted to demolish it in the 50s but weren't able to do it - from Wikipedia
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Proof that they're lying. They are busted.

Now I wonder how long it will take before Wikipedia removes the panaorama photo.

What do you think?

Nice find.

Then the question arises as to who on earth built it.

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-10-12 01:33:00
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I would say those who occupied cities like this before they became abandoned.

And most likely they were wearing togas, imho.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-12 04:12:27
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Philadelphia City Hall

The building was constructed from 1871 to 1901 within Penn Square, in the middle of Center City. John McArthur Jr. and Thomas Ustick Walter designed the building in the Second Empire style.

• City Hall is a masonry building whose weight is borne by granite and brick walls up to 22 ft (6.7 m) thick. The principal exterior materials are limestone, granite, and marble. The final construction cost was $24 million.
• At 548 ft (167 m), including the statue of city founder William Penn atop its tower, City Hall was the tallest habitable building in the world from 1894 to 1908. It remained the tallest in Pennsylvania until it was surpassed in 1932 by the Gulf Tower in Pittsburgh. It was the tallest in Philadelphia until 1986 when the construction of One Liberty Place surpassed it, ending the informal gentlemen's agreement that had limited the height of buildings in the city to no higher than the Penn statue.
• Philadelphia City Hall - Wikipedia

They got him to the top somehow
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The below image made me put this up for a discussion. Together with 22 foot sick walls, this 1871-1901 structure is impressively amazing.

KD: I can almost see how it went in 1871, 6 years after the Civil War.

• Gentlemen, we have 548 leftover horses. Let’s build us a 548 foot tall City Hall.

By the way. Nimrod got smacked for less.

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Figured it would be a good building for a freeflow discussion. There appears to be plenty of construction, and all other sorts of photographs pertaining to this structure. Considering that it still exists, we could be facing an interesting investigation.

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KD: I'm truly wondering what the heck they needed this building for in 1871.

• City Hall is situated on land that was reserved as a public square upon the city's founding in 1682. Originally known as Centre Square - later renamed Penn Square - it was used for public gatherings until the construction of City Hall began in 1871.
  • That means there should be no buildings it was built on top of.
• It was "under construction" for 30 years, so there should be hundreds of photographs, right?

I will have a question pertaining to the number of stories below the ground level. Who knows how many are out there? To kick off the intrigue, I will post this photo here. What do we need them underground windows in the brick foundation for? @ISeenItFirst

• This rare photograph shows the foundation of City Hall, as it's under construction. Railroad cars use to run past the Masonic Temple, which is in the background.

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Let's see where this discussion takes us to.

Anyone know anything about the Empire Line Railroad?!!

 

[KD Archive]

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-10-12 04:19:52
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Anyone know anything about the Empire Line Railroad?!!

Is it somehow related?

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2019-10-12 04:28:05
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Is it somehow related?

It's in that photograph...
They had to move around somehow to patch things up and remodel.

Guys posing above the brick foundation with some of them moving or ghosted out.
The underground window and curved halls...

Masonic Hall in the background

Empire Transportation Company Edit
The Empire Transportation Company was founded in 1865 by Joseph D. Potts and became a multimodal freight transportation subsidiary of the Pennsylvania Railroad. It owned oil tanker cars and used them to transport refined oil for mostly independent oil refiners during the era of John D. Rockefeller's and Standard Oil's oil refinery mergers of the 1870s. The company also owned grain freight boats on the great lakes and oil pipelines in the oil regions of Pennsylvania. When the company attempted to buy and build some oil refineries in 1877, Standard Oil bought the company.
WIKI, WIKI

Well, I think we all know the PLAYAS involved. We know the COMPANIES and their interests. We know the former extravagance of lights and opulence taken over and made a masquerade of. We know the dirt and filth which replaced it. We know who funded these affairs to show the power of church and state and bank and who's in charge.
Following the money, records and paper trails seems to eventually dead end. Effectively obscured.
But this much we're sure of. Some shit went down. Peeps were mobilized (and still are) under false pretenses to obliterate history and keep us in the dark.
Sounds like POWER issues to me. Somebody's afraid they'll lose their authoritay unless they keep the pressure on and the channels and prizes changin and spinnin.
Another sequel... JUST LIKE DISNEY.

And that brick basement took the first two of the thirty years to build?
Just made another impression. Some of those old panoramas. Chock full of Dresden like buildings. All practically connected. Similar. Could people not stand the sun? Sorry, off there.
Anyway, like the Titanic and Olympia and some of those mismatched construction photos, you could SAY this is a certain structure, but really it could be from practically a multitude of similar ones. And we may need some photo experts to inspect some of these for doctoring.
Just downplays how much development there already was. Tries to cram it in a few decades.

Sorry I'm deRAILing here, but looking into the "Pennsy" is really enlightening. The Pennsylvania Railroad and it's development are quite interesting. And it's stations! Impressive! Penn Station in NYC and the PRR Exchange Place Station in Jersey City, NJ are astounding.
Didn't have the old cars and trucks to putt around and get INDUSTRY and EMPIRE up and running first thing. Had to use the rails to get AHEAD of the wave and clean things up first.
WHAT IF a lot of the pictures were EARLIER, before we supposedly spread west of the Mississippi? That's really why it took us hundreds of years from the start.
Cowboys and Indians was just a big ruse. Maybe they hardly wanted to fight at all and just pretty much rolled over. Especially under the threat of superior firepower.
The masons and their work crews of inmates and conscripts paved the way to make it plausible. Then migration begins.
But you also have to wipe out or dismantle traces of your passage. Or remake things similar.
Media and heresay all very helpful to spread the word. From on high. Tell them where to go, what to do! Oh, the sights you'll see!
Fear and superstition... Don't go THERE!
And you systematically wipe everything out while you steer the livestock around from this pen to that pen. Keeping them confused and disorganized.
IT'S STILL GOING ON TODAY.
Bread and circus. Conscription lines. Inferiority complexes. What a bangup job. Somebody should hire these guys. Don't call it a COMEBACK.

 

[_harris]

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for this building, 30 years construction seems a lot more plausible than, say, the giant hotel built in 6 months. the fact there are construction photos, even of the subterranean layers kinda shows it was constructed as claimed... (that is fresh brickwork underground, 100%)

I'm always confused at the underground/above ground phenomenon we keep running into.

look at modern construction, every large construction project on land (not bedrock) that i've ever seen always starts below surface level. at least 1 large storey. at least. some of the buildings being thrown up here in bristol start 3 large storeys below! on low-lying ground to make a point.

and what does the underground construction look like? it looks poor compared to the finished building. because they don't need to make it look nice.

starting construction below ground level and building up is/has been a common thing for many many years!

EDIT- the underground stone seems weird, but its only a small part of the brick foundations... did they find the stone walls and addendum the foundation plans to what was already there!?

DISCLAIMER - I'm not generally saying that nothing was already constructed underground to be built on top of by later generations.
Just saying in some cases, the underground structures were most likely built contemporaneously for the above building.

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That isn't a window in that red box its a services passage through which pipes will run from one basement room to another, as far as I can tell based purely on my experience from shipyard days.

i was gonna suggest a fireplace!

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2) “Along with the Penn statue, more than 250 sculptures were created by Alexander Milne Calder and his son, Alexander Stirling Calder, for City Hall. Nine of the statues were cast in bronze, while most were started in clay, cast in plaster, and finished in marble.

very important information!! what does this mean?! is it referring to the marble "plaster" technique outlined in those old texts? they made clay men, covered them in plaster, then did an outer finish in fake marble?

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What do you think?

firstly, that's not a "panorama photograph".
secondly - i don't see how that is the "city hall" building, it looks nothing like it in shape.
Looks more like that "Penn" building (#12 in the OP image)

 

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Date: 2019-10-12 20:56:00
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for this building, 30 years construction seems a lot more plausible than, say, the giant hotel built in 6 months. the fact there are construction photos, even of the subterranean layers kinda shows it was constructed as claimed... (that is fresh brickwork underground, 100%)

look at modern construction, every large construction project on land (not bedrock) that i've ever seen always starts below surface level. at least 1 large storey. at least. some of the buildings being thrown up here in bristol start 3 large storeys below! on low-lying ground to make a point.

and what does the underground construction look like? it looks poor compared to the finished building. because they don't need to make it look nice.

starting construction below ground level and building up is/has been a common thing for many many years!

EDIT- the underground stone seems weird, but its only a small part of the brick foundations... did they find the stone walls and addendum the foundation plans to what was already there!?

DISCLAIMER - I'm not generally saying that nothing was already constructed underground to be built on top of by later generations.
Just saying in some cases, the underground structures were most likely built contemporaneously for the above building.

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i was gonna suggest a fireplace!

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very important information!! what does this mean?! is it referring to the marble "plaster" technique outlined in those old texts? they made clay men, covered them in plaster, then did an outer finish in fake marble?

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firstly, that's not a "panorama photograph".
secondly - i don't see how that is the "city hall" building, it looks nothing like it in shape.
Looks more like that "Penn" building (#12 in the OP image)

It's a photo of a panorama drawing, panorama photograph for short.

It actually looks exactly like City Hall in shape, and it is right next to the Masonic Temple, as it is in reality. And it is called the New Public Building, which would be an old name for a city hall.

 

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It's a photo of a panorama drawing, panorama photograph for short.

It actually looks exactly like City Hall in shape, and it is right next to the Masonic Temple, as it is in reality. And it is called the New Public Building, which would be an old name for a city hall.

I am in Philadelphia and it is because of City Hall and a few other topics that I joined this forum. I have on my list to take a detailed tour of city hall and the Masonic building. I’ve been inside city hall a bunch of times for business and was always overwhelmed by the sheer massiveness that totally engulfs you. I was unaware that it was constructed in the 19th century until fairly recently and decided to research it a bit more.

While the construction photos seem to look legit, I actually doubt that they are because I think the building is part of a much larger subterranean complex. It’s hard to get a sense of how awesome this building is until you stand in front it and see it in context of how the city is laid out. I’ve not been inside the Masonic hall but have spent a lot of time in that area and it’s hard for me to buy the story about how and when city hall was constructed.

I also feel that one reason it was not demolished is because doing so would reveal the subterranean complex. The cost and other logistical issues were also factors. I will schedule a tour of both buildings in late April and report back with photographs.